fall, as our questioner has asked? , ., _ asked? we should humbly say that building _ asked? we should humbly say that building democracy - asked? we should humbly say that building democracy and i that building democracy and rule — that building democracy and rule of— that building democracy and rule of law is not that easy. it rule of law is not that easy. it takes _ rule of law is not that easy. it takes time. culture, tradition, whatever. we have seen — tradition, whatever. we have seen that— tradition, whatever. we have seen that in those post—soviet post _ seen that in those post—soviet post yugoslav states, it is not easy, — post yugoslav states, it is not easy, is — post yugoslav states, it is not easy, is not straightforward, it requires time, patience, but it requires time, patience, but it is— it requires time, patience, but it is worth _ it requires time, patience, but it is worth it. because the alternative is far worse. the alternative is far worse. the alternative is far worse. the alternative is to descend into chaos — alternative is to descend into chaos and dictatorship. building democracy, messy, difficult, _ building democracy, messy, difficult, back—and—forth, ukraine _ difficult, back—and—forth, ukraine is not a perfect place, by the — ukraine is not a perfect place, by the way, but it is on its way — by the way, but it is on its way. and _ by the way, but it is on its way. and i— by the way, but it is on its way. and i think that lesson needs— way. and i think that lesson needs to _ way. and i think that lesson needs to be learned by everybody. needs to be learned by everybody-— needs to be learned by eve bod. ., ., ., everybody. thanks for that. i 'ust everybody. thanks for that. i just want _ everybody. thanks for that. i just want to _ everybody. thanks for that. i just want to come _ everybody. thanks for that. i just want to come back - everybody. thanks for that. i just want to come back to i everybody. thanks for that. i i just want to come back to you, do you want to comment on what you heard our panel say about this? i you heard our panel say about this? ., ., , ., , this? i want to be an optimist. you want _ this? i want to be an optimist. you want to — this? i want to be an optimist. you want to be _ this? i want to be an optimist. you want to be an _ this? i want to be an optimist. you want to be an optimist, i this? i want to be an optimist. | you want to be an optimist, we like that here. let me just get a couple of comments from our audience here on what they had heard our panel say today. anybody want to make a comment? russia became a successor state