you were so determined. and obviously, you had a special manager. and a special relationship. yeah. that's very important. yeah. how did it work between the two of you? well, i used to love — because i'm on the outside, i used to love who he was interested in buying. we used to go on — we used to go and watch games together outside of watford, which was fun. we got locked in at rochdale. you got locked in? well, they wouldn't let — the crowds were so small, they wouldn't let them leave. so, we got locked in there but we stood on the terraces. for me, that was so interesting. what players are you looking at? what — who are you going after? did you involve yourself in that, or was it pure...? i talked to him about players. we talked about, "what do you think of this guy? "what do you think of that guy?" um, and then he'd say, "listen, i've got this player. "i need to buy him." and that was, "here's the cheque to get him." but he would never overspend on players. no. he never took advantage of money with me. he bought players that he wanted to be a team. like, you know, if you weren't