this is ukraine and that is it. they worry about the implications for the whole border sector of countries immediately around russia, and what lesson putin will learn, therefore what the rest has to learn from that. i therefore what the rest has to learn from that.— learn from that. i think it really picks _ learn from that. i think it really picks up _ learn from that. i think it really picks up on - learn from that. i think it really picks up on the - learn from that. i think it - really picks up on the themes that— really picks up on the themes thatjohn _ really picks up on the themes thatjohn and thomas really picks up on the themes that john and thomas have talked _ that john and thomas have talked about. this is the law of unintended consequences. just because you have an objective in war, doesn't mean you will— objective in war, doesn't mean you will actually achieve that objective, the way that you think _ objective, the way that you think i_ objective, the way that you think. ithink objective, the way that you think. i think nato, it is extraordinary what has happened, extraordinaryjust happened, extraordinary just with— happened, extraordinary just with global sanctions, happened, extraordinaryjust with global sanctions, look at nato, — with global sanctions, look at nato, macron is dismissing it as nato, macron is dismissing it asjust — nato, macron is dismissing it asjust on _ nato, macron is dismissing it asjust on death 's door, donald _ asjust on death 's door, donald trump said it was irrelevant, and now it has come back— irrelevant, and now it has come back and — irrelevant, and now it has come back and found its original purpose, which is bringing western— purpose, which is bringing western countries together to defend — western countries together to defend themselves against the threat — defend themselves against the threat of what was the soviet union— threat of what was the soviet union and now russia, and the consensus _ union and now russia, and the consensus is extraordinary, you are now— consensus is extraordinary, you are now seeing western european countries _ are now seeing western european countries sending troops to the border— countries sending troops to the border of— countries sending troops to the border of eastern european