How much that ends up being, you guess. Thank you. I am talking about 60 billion. The foreign secretary borisjohnson said we should not give them anything. You cannot have a free divorce. If you decide to divorce you have to pay the price, it is as simple as that. It will be painful in the beginning but after that you have to realise you are exporting 50 of your exports to europe. It has to be a soft landing, it has to be flexibility from the british side to keep good relations with the ex wife, for examples. There should be pavement. At the same time there should be soft exit without problems because it is in the interests of britain to keep good relations with the eu. They are angry and upset and we should understand that. I am not sure about the divorce metaphor, it is like breaking upa the divorce metaphor, it is like breaking up a business. We have been pa rt of breaking up a business. We have been part of what Jeremy Clarkson has called the biggest budget in the world, a huge budget. We made promises to participate in projects ahead and we cannotjust promises to participate in projects ahead and we cannot just say, promises to participate in projects ahead and we cannotjust say, we said we will do this but we are not going to now. We can say that. It would not be right. As david said, the European Parliament s have to vote on the final deal and the commission and i agree, there has been an atmosphere in the British Press of fog in the channel, continent cut off. We are not in charge. The other point underlined what david said, you do not know how much of this is boxes squaring up before a match, a lot of talk, and eventually it will get down to boring detail about who owes what is what. It will get down to a long discussion with difficult detail that Civil Servants will have to sit there and crack out. The reality as far as the 60 billion, we will not know the real figure. Far as the 60 billion, we will not know the realfigure. If far as the 60 billion, we will not know the real figure. If she triggers article 50 on tuesday it will be a year and 364 days and 23. 5 hours before we know the figure and we will have to have to years of the press pointing fingers about it but it will be a hard negotiation. It will be an important part of it. While we look at crystal balls. With various degrees of incompetence do you think there is a chance theresa may will go for an early election . Some people look at the state of the labour party and the question of whether she has a mandate. We love this one. Turn once, it is a good question, because if i were her, i would. This year . I would stop i am the new prime minister, i do not have my own mandate and i am likely to get a bigger majority than the awkward majority i have at the moment made up of people who did not wa nt to moment made up of people who did not want to come out of the eu whereas ifi want to come out of the eu whereas if i geta want to come out of the eu whereas if i get a 100 Seat Majority over Jeremy Corbyns pathetic and hopeless labour party, i am away and swimming and can pretty much dictate the terms. Two things would stop you, the first is complexities of triggering the election, trigger being the word. The word of the year. The difficulty because we have a fixed term parliament, but it can be achieved. Then the question of the uncertainties. Is itjust possible that somewhere out there lies a new ukip leader who can get 50 of the vote . The lib dems, a pro european. 50 of the vote . The lib dems, a pro european. None of 50 of the vote . The lib dems, a pro european. None of these things are likely. Jeremy corbyn. Tony blair. David miliband comes back. But scotland. If you go to the country and the scots go to the country and the scots go to the country at the same time and they as a result get a significant mandate for the Westminster Parliament for the snp, and over an overwhelming one. They are strong, being pro european. One. They are strong, being proeuropean. You are scottish. There is a scottish problem but all sorts of other problems. Theresa may said we do not need more instability. We have to make sure the ship is going in the right direction. Up to now she is handling things wisely and not taking a very strong stance against europe, she is trying to negotiate. I agree with david, she should go for it. She should have a mandate, because it is a huge responsibility and i believe the time is right to do this. Gordon brown did it at a certain stage after tony blair. She needs that. She needs a strong mandate from the british people. Why not another referendum, with brexit, for example . Referendum, with brexit, for example . Why not another Scottish Referendum . Example . Why not another Scottish Referendum . That example . Why not another Scottish Referendum . That is the nub, whether there is a british people or whether scotla nd there is a british people or whether scotland is going a different way from england, Northern Ireland is going a different way. To keep them m, going a different way. To keep them in, you should give them a good example. A referendum. 0n brexit . Why not . And your prime minister. A strong mandate for the prime minister. I dont think can bear it a referendum a year. If there we re it a referendum a year. If there were an election, and this is the issue,is were an election, and this is the issue, is it about we have a tory party who will win without any opposition or will it be an election on brexit, in which maybe by some miracle the lib dems and the part of labour for remaining miracle the lib dems and the part of labourfor remaining in miracle the lib dems and the part of labour for remaining in the eu get together. Labour for remaining in the eu gettogether. The other problem it might solve is the House Of Lords question and how much parliament should be consulted about this, if theresa may had a thumping majority, she could say, the british people have spoken again, i am the right person to negotiate, parliament can decide what it likes, but my party iu ns decide what it likes, but my party runs parliament. She adds to her majority if she calls an election. She may do it but it does not solve anything in scotland and may make it worse. The idea that labour and the lib dems come together as a saviour act. We like to dream i do not see anyone sitting in the party about to leap to the fore, in either party. I think she would end up with a bigger majority. In syria and iraq, the territory held by Islamic State is shrinking and under siege. What difference will it make if they are driven our if they are driven out of towns and cities, and how will that affect the chances of Terrorist Attacks in The Middle East, europe and elsewhere . They are under great difficulty and pressure. In mosul, raqqa, and the catastrophe might get worse. We do not know about the humanitarian catastrophe because there is a blackout on what is happening in mosul. There are 150,000 iraqi forces attacking mosul, they liberated the eastern part and they are facing difficulties with the western pa rt are facing difficulties with the western part because there are narrow alleyways, the old city. It seems that Islamic State have managed to dig a lot of tunnels and they are fighting. There are difficulties and a lot of casualties. We do not know about the people, do they have food, electricity, water . But definitely the Islamic State is losing a lot of ground there and there are reports that may be the leader of Islamic State managed to run away to another pa rt state managed to run away to another part of iraq. And that he is hiding. We dont know. The americans say he left mosul. If you know that, why did you not kill him, for example, if you have information about him and he is still alive and he managed to run away. Who is going to liberate . And what will happen after day Liberate Mosul and raqqa . Who will be the sovereign ruler. Raqqa is part of syria. There is a huge problem between the Russians And Americans and between turks and the russians, when it comes to syria. The americans would like the kurds, the Syrian Democratic army, to do the Syrian Democratic army, to do thejob the Syrian Democratic army, to do the job because they trust them. But turkey doesnt. They say we are sunnl turkey doesnt. They say we are sunni, they are sunni, and we should do thejob. Sunni, they are sunni, and we should do the job. Where is the United States in this . We have seen marines are part of this. Several hundred marines. I do not think the mission has been clearly explained, it was done quietly and i do not think the media has had a chance to ask questions of the Trump Administration on their role and it is not clear to what degree they will cooperate. The american position is influx and not clear at this point. They wanted boots on the ground and this point. They wanted boots on the ground and i expected more attention to be paid to that in the states. Presumably, at least in the short term, given the humanitarian problems everybody expects outside mosul. We might expect more migrants as well. The Refugee Crisis is still with us and well get worse. In the long run, what is there to hold this loose and difficult situation together . What is there for people in the arab world to look to for hope . Islamic state has a plan b, but, there are opponents, enemies, they do not have a plan b. To retreat to the desert . 0k, they will go underground. They start causing a lot of Terrorism Attacks in The Middle East, and outside, because they will be relieved from running big cities like mosul and raqqa but what is the plan b for the coalition. What is the plan b for the coalition s . There are 60,70 what is the plan b for the coalition s . There are 60, 70 countries fighting Islamic State. 16, s . There are 60, 70 countries fighting Islamic State. 16, 17. We have seen bloodcurdling reports there could be 800, 900 fighters who wish to come back to this country. By wish to come back to this country. By thing we have a good handle on who those people are likely to be. I am not saying i am not worried about it, but i think the point is that he takes raqqa . You can see the Iraqi Government will end up in control of mosul and the question is whether the Iraqi Government can behave in such a way it can deal with the sunni population, majority population, and come to an agreement, which is a big question that involves the kurds. Raqqa is more of a problem. You can take it, but he keeps it . There you go back to the fact you are in the middle of the syrian civil war. I tend to believe from what i have heard that isis, whose Unique Selling Proposition is the caliphate, will be weakened and although it has a great deal of Propaganda Capacity which is mobile, it can take it with it, and on the whole there are other groups. You should look at the alqaeda Affiliate S Bands Successor organisations. Who hold territory. Its of territory, and they have capacity and they have not at the moment as is will, the reputation of being defeated. They are extant in syria. As you raise the question of people coming back. Terrorist events in the west. I tend to think that will carry on as it did before. I do not think it will be significantly worse as a result of the end. Most of the Big Questions about isis are in the region. You have written about the digital caliphate, the idea and means of communication will continue. It is much cheaper for them to go underground. It is less problematic. They do not need to run a bigger state or cities like mosul and raqqa. If you say you want to have a caliphate and we have declared it and here we are and you are not there any more, it is. You cannot invite people any more. The problem is look at alqaeda now. Why we are busy with Islamic State. Now alqaeda is gaining strength in different parts of The Middle East and now they are very strong in yemen, in parts of africa. They start to gather strength and recruit people. The same thing, Islamic State will do. They have branches. In sinai, iraq, syria, afghanistan. Ijust came in sinai, iraq, syria, afghanistan. I just came back from in sinai, iraq, syria, afghanistan. Ijust came back from india. They are worried about Terrorist Attacks by Islamic State, especially among the muslim community. We are seeing this terrible famine. How that will play together i do not know. I wonder whether alqaeda will be almost like a successor organisation, like a more sensible islamist force. Donald trump claimed based on no evidence, apparently that predecessor barack 0bama wanted to wiretap him. The language seems quaint, given that we learned this week courtesy of wikileaks that the cia can not only bug your phone, but your tv and, for all i know, your toaster and teapot as well. Is wikileaks doing a public service, or is it a danger to the security of democracies . How do you think wikileaks is seen by the Trump Administration . They go back and forth. Trump i think was happy when wikilea ks back and forth. Trump i think was happy when wikileaks was releasing e mails from the Democratic National committee and was kind of thrilled all those embarrassing e mails were coming out. Now he is in the white house he is annoyed the cias secret weapons, online weapons, revealed online, so now he wants them to please be quiet and can play a different game. Basically, this release is embarrassing to the cia and has a lot of practical overtones. Nobody is surprised they are trying to get into your phones and tvs. Releasing thousands of pages of no high and detailed coding is not something. And nobody knows. Where it came from. That is my problem with wikileaks. I need to know where it comes from. It can sometimes be illegal to publish material that has been stolen as long as you did not steal it. That does not satisfy my own ethical concerns. That is the point. Edward snowden, somebody an insider, discontented, saying people in america need to know this. If that is the case here. Perhaps one takes a moraljudgment, is the case here. Perhaps one takes a moral judgment, if is the case here. Perhaps one takes a moraljudgment, if it came from russian intelligence you might take anotherjudgment. If our friend Julian Assange, if his goal was to damage Hillary Clinton and help donald trump, which he has implied, thatis donald trump, which he has implied, that is meddling into domestic politics. I am that is meddling into domestic politics. Iam not that is meddling into domestic politics. I am not crazy about the idea of him trying to shape elections. Wikileaks, good or bad . Wikileaks used to provide a useful service and i rememberthe wikileaks used to provide a useful service and i remember the release of the Guantanamo Operation Annual and lists of membership of the american far right groups. The toxic dump on the ivory coast. Something else has happened since, and Julian Assange is locked up in the embassy and has taken complete control of the organisation and got rid of people he used to trust. He is paranoid, like kids sitting in their mothers basements, posting. I dont think he has an agenda, political agenda in the way you suggest, i think his agenda is his own aggrandise mint. He can be used by almost anybody and we do not know who is using him. Wikileaks is doing a good job. We must expose these intelligence services, the cia, why not . They are plotting here, plotting their, let us expose them and let them be aware there are people vetting their operations and knowing what they are doing. I had a look at wikileaks because i was mentioned several times when it comes to the bodies it was a great job, doing a greatjob against brutal dictatorships in that part of the world and how they function, how they pay dirty money, financing walls, in our part of the world, dealing with superpowers like the us. It is nice to know what is behind. I think wikileaks is doing a greatjob. Behind. I think wikileaks is doing a great job. It is selected releases. We hear about Hillary Clintons e mails. We hear about Hillary Clintons emails. Give us the truth about russia. Chinese. One of the difficulties, one of the mysteries, why are there no russian and chinese Whistle Blowers . I cannot why are there no russian and chinese Whistle Blowers . I cannot imagine you can expect a face white in an airport, that is why, or somebody will saunter across Waterloo Bridge with a knob roller and stick it in your foot the problems for Whistle Blowers, your foot the problems for Whistle Blowers, one your foot the problems for Whistle Blowers, one of the great benefits of these open societies is our Whistle Blowers, benefits of these open societies is our Whistle Blowers, they benefits of these open societies is our Whistle Blowers, they dont generally face being offed by the state any more. Journalists want to know everything but as citizens we dont necessarily want everything to be no. There are a lot of things our spooks are doing that i want them to do. Lets say the proposition was, could you bagh a jihadis televisions so could you bagh a jihadis televisions so when they are having a conversation about who to bomb you could pick it up, i am in favour. I would be in general not in favour of that being known so the jihadis could stop it happening, so we would share that. Insofar as that is what is being explored, i am antsy about other people discovering it will stop we are conflicted. The big question in a Democratic Society is what oversight you have about what spooks are doing so you can be relatively sure they are doing the things he would approve of. A lot of this i want them to do. I want them to stop people blowing up our schools and so on. This would be news to us but not to russian or chinese intelligence that you can get a Samsung Television and bucket. As citizens we might not know this. Bug it. As citizens we might not know this. Bug it. Look at the American Election and what happened. There are good cyber attackers out there. Allegedly, yes. They are welcome to sue in the british courts. Wikileaks, good or bad . Is it for you the question of provenance, where does it come from . Who is doing it for whose benefit . Discrimination. I dont regard to data dumping as whistle blowing. It is not whistle blowing. Whistle blowing is not whistle blowing. Whistle blowing is you is not whistle blowing. Whistle blowing is you think something is wrong and you bring attention to that thing. Taking every bit of data and dumping it in the open without care about what it is or where it comes from. And failing to redact Personal Information. They are now doing that. Not all of the time. They are spying on us. We do not have any privacy. They always spied on us. My parents were spied on with telephones tapped because they were communists. The question is whether there is a proper degree of oversight. There are enemies of society within society you might Wa Nt Society within society you might want this stunting. Democracy has become the establishment of, and twilight son wants to dismantle the establishment. The Julian Twilight Son wants to dismantle the establishment. TheJulian Assanges wants to dismantle it. Dismantling Democratic Institutions becomes a part of that. How as journalist should we treat this . Previous leaks, journalist should we treat this . Previous lea ks, journalists journalist should we treat this . Previous leaks, journalists have redacted it themselves and information has become available to british newspapers and they say they will not publish that because it puts lives at risk. That seems to have changed. Wikilea ks puts lives at risk. That seems to have changed. Wikileaks has been good at manipulating the media and the First Response in most cases is lets publish everything and the documents may be not fit for the public to see because it contains names of agents or Personal Information about people who have not done anything wrong. I am more sceptical about what they release them my colleagues and. You do not think it is as important as they suggest . Julian is very good at making what he is to do sounding very important. I would like to know if the swedish are going to charge him with any sexual offences, and i would like to know whether the us does or does not have an indictment against him. These things are important for understanding who he is where he stands. I would like to know why nigel farage went to see him. I think he wanted an interview, nothing more. We see. Thats it for Dateline London this week. You can comment on the programme on twitter gavinesler and engage with our guests. Were back next week at the same time. Make a date with Dateline London. Goodbye. Hello there. Its been a mild start to the weekend, but a lot of cloud around and the cloud for some of us thick enough for the odd spot of drizzle and Poor Visibility, as depicted in this weather watchers picture in cumbria. There is a Weather Front spilling its way out of scotland that will continue to move through the northwest of england and wales, so a drizzly afternoon. Sandwiched either side, not bad, with sunshine coming through. For the bulk of Northern Ireland and northern scotland, a better afternoon in comparison to how you started the day. Maybe close to the borders we will keep cloud and some Poor Visibility. Not bad into Northern Ireland. The drizzle across Northern England and north wales. The cloud may be a nuisance into the midlands, but south of that, with sunshine, temperatures will respond. 16, 17 degrees not out of the question in london. Thats 63 fahrenheit. That bodes well for the arsenal lincoln city match, with 15 degrees. Im sure lincoln city fans were not ca re im sure lincoln city fans were not care what the weather will do. For middlesbrough, it could be overcast with drizzle. For twickenham, similar conditions for rome for the six nations matches today. Perfect light winds and lots of sunshine coming through. Through the night, the potential for more cloud and drizzly rain to continue to move in from the west and a lot of low cloud, some Poor Visibility and some coastal and hill fog. By the end of the night, the Weather Front moves in and those two Weather Fronts will almost merge together and bring more in the way of rain for sunday. A disappointing second half to the weekend. Some of the rain could be heavy for a time and will take time to clear. Slowly improving in the west. Northern ireland, south west scotland, wales and Northern England, not a bad afternoon. But for much of eastern and se england, it will feel pretty disappointing. Things will quieten down a little as we move into monday and tuesday. The beginning of the working week sees a ridge of High Pressure building, allowing for a good deal of dry weather. Even this Weather Front not causing too much of an issue. It will be a cloudy start for many on monday but still quite mild. Drizzly rain for tuesday. This is bbc news. The headlines at 12 00 as the world faces its larges humanitarian crisis since 1945 the un calls for urgent action as more than 20 Million People face famine in parts of africa and The Middle East. Prison staff assess the damage caused by a fire at Guys Marsh Jail in dorset after an inmate climbed on to the roof, and started a fire in protest against conditions. Former professional cyclist jess varnish says she is relieved the truth is finally coming out, as a leaked draft report criticises what it calls the dysfunctional and inept leadership of british cycling. 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