his worldview which i think credibly many of— his worldview which i think credibly many of us — his worldview which i think credibly many of us think is increasingly paranoid — many of us think is increasingly paranoid and unhinged. and that diplomatic off ramp you mentioned -ets diplomatic off ramp you mentioned gets narrower and narrower and murkier— gets narrower and narrower and murkier and murkier. gets narrower and narrower and murkierand murkier. ithink gets narrower and narrower and murkier and murkier. i think that the prospect of china in reference to what _ the prospect of china in reference to what julia was the prospect of china in reference to whatjulia wasjust the prospect of china in reference to what julia was just saying, china playing _ to what julia was just saying, china playing some kind of moderating role is something that's going to be explored — is something that's going to be explored more in the coming days. yes, _ explored more in the coming days. yes, crucially important. natalie, you've travelled the world with the foreign policy chief of europe. you know how important these talks build up know how important these talks build up momentum. lavrov was supposed to be in switzerland today and suddenly couldn't fly into switzerland. it reminds me of the former president said the other day, we can look at each other through binoculars in the sight of a gun but that's not going to find a solution.— to find a solution. yes. i think the difficulty now _ to find a solution. yes. i think the