expect that the cost will go up by somewhere between 30% to 50% and will sustain at that level for quite some time until the crisis is resolved.— crisis is resolved. let's talk about shipping's _ crisis is resolved. let's talk about shipping's journey i crisis is resolved. let's talk about shipping's journey to j crisis is resolved. let's talk i about shipping's journey to a net zero, another big subject on the agenda at this event. what can you tell us about that? ., , , ,., that? there has been something that? there has been something that has been _ that? there has been something that has been unfolding - that? there has been something that has been unfolding for- that has been unfolding for years. we are seeing the first pilot tests running, but the biggest problem we have is twofold. 0ne biggest problem we have is twofold. one is getting scale and the other is having this at and the other is having this at a cost level which will not be too expensive to ship stuff around the world. to too expensive to ship stuff around the world.- around the world. to what extent is _ around the world. to what extent is this _ around the world. to what extent is this about - extent is this about collaboration between notjust collaboration between not just the collaboration between notjust the industry and government, but also specific shipping companies question that the biggest players in the game, to