to make more money, and it's slightly unfair. the labour—led welsh government has made much of its plan for a greener wales but amid all the targets and regulations, is there an effective plan to support farmers and to protect our rivers? we know we had an issue around too many poultry farms, for instance, being put in the same place, so we need to work with our local authorities... do you agree there are too many poultry farms in here for wye? we saw certainly in the powys area, in the previous administration there, we saw a lot of planning permissions allowed. but that — it was your government that gave the grants for those poultry farms. but what i'm saying is you've got to make sure that the local authority needs to know the cumulative impact of all these poultry farms. so you blame local authority? no, i'm not! i'm not trying to blame anybody. what i'm saying is it's about working together to make sure that where you can get perhaps quicker wins, i see that obviously