negotiations can continue but i think it is also important to bear in mind, of course, these arejust two cities in the entire country. they are not the only places where russian troops have been active and, secondly, we have to look at the fact that as you saw in ten's report that moscow has said it will now focus on what it says is liberating the donbas region which is significant, of course, because we know that one of the kremlin's demands that it once ukrainian government who, in effect, hand over control of that passive ukraine. make it independent is what they savour what they really mean is to make sure it comes under russian control that is you have to look at where this sits within russia's aims. we know that the moment they are saying that ukrainian proposals need to be put to vladimir putin and it is he who will decide whether they are acceptable to him before any kind of full withdrawal could even be considered. so i think these are very early stages and i think