there by the russians? it was sort of interesting because what we saw in 2014 after the annexation of crimea, i was in the donbas what we saw or what i saw anyway was the conflict, usually in wartime, information operations support military operations on the ground. you know, media, because back then, putin didn't have a military goal, he wanted crimea, he took it. he didn't want to annex donbas, what he wants to do was destabilise the ukrainian state to the degree that it was never able to the eu or nato. that's a political goal, so what he did was he cleared out the space in the east and pumped in a narrative unfiltered and it was very much a military operation. now it's an all—out military were. —— now it's an all—out military war. i was looking at a piece by a former ft bureau chief