operating the system at all. bearing in mind that the second route for ukrainians to come to the uk, where they get sponsored by individuals or communities or organisations, which isn't up and running yet, is actually going to be run by a different department, the levelling up department, headed by michael gove. and a new minister for refugees has been appointed that is going to work in both the levelling up department and the home office, and we suspect that we could get details of that second route by the end of this week. we have heard eu plans to be independent of russian oil in eight years as the united states announces it bans imports of russian oil and gas, what impact would this have at international level and in terms of as consumers? for more on this, i'm joined by nathan piper, head of oil and gas