new york, which would be a bombshell case. the alternative would be some sort of deal before that, an out—of—court settlement, possibly meaning a payment to virginia giuffre, which would potentially come with costs too.— giuffre, which would potentially come with costs too. with me now is barrister andrew taylor from apex chambers, who for over 25 years has specialised in criminal defence. this case being brought by viginia guifree is a civil case, which requires a lower standard of proof. just on that point, if andrew loses this bit of the civil case, can you see prince andrew's lawyers agreeing for him to testify in court in new york? i for him to testify in court in new york? a, ., for him to testify in court in new york? ., ., , york? i cannot imagine him being advised by _ york? i cannot imagine him being advised by any — york? i cannot imagine him being advised by any lawyer— york? i cannot imagine him being advised by any lawyer to - york? i cannot imagine him being advised by any lawyer to go - york? i cannot imagine him being advised by any lawyer to go to - advised by any lawyer to go to america. we know there is an fbi open investigation, i think the advice would be not to go to america. there may be a way in which these days people can testify from