hugh pym joins me now. we have minutes from the latest meeting of government experts and data about how fast covid is spreading so what are we learning? yes, this is the office for national statistics survey, referred to in dominic's piece, which goes around the same households repeatedly in the same households repeatedly in the tens of thousands of households, to do spot checks. it picks up people who have not come forward with symptoms to get tested. it picks up those who are asymptomatic as well. it is seen as a very authoritative guide to what's going on, more so than the daily tests that we get and we have seen over the last few days. the latest study goes right up until sunday and compares with the study that went two or three days previously and it shows just in those three days how much the virus had spread to more people, adding 368,000 just in that time in terms of the week up until