officials for quite some time now and the steel industry has presented and the steel industry has presented a paper where they would get about £50 million a year of support to help them deal with the price spike and that is being considered by the business department but no official proposal had been made from the business department to the treasury to unlock any money and that's the basis of the spat we have between treasury sources and the business secretary yesterday after he had been on tv. the answer is not yet and it could be potentially not ever because the government is of the view that taxpayers should not be footing the bill for market forces hitting industries, it is up to industry to manage the market forces they are subjected to, that is their view. having said that, if it comes to a crunch, we have seen examples where the government is prepared to intervene and spend some public money to help a particular sector get over a particularly tricky patch point remember the fertiliser plant that made loads of carbon dioxide that made loads of carbon dioxide that the food industry relied on? that was an example of where the