with a cost. our national debt is - with a cost. our national debt is almost 800% of gdp. so we need to fix our public finances. i'm joined now by sir ed davey, leader of the liberal democrats. he is right, isn't he? they have spent enough and borrowed enough and they can't do any more borrowing, they can't do any more borrowing, they have got to do something else? the conservatives have broken their promises on taxation several times, and i would expect them to break them again because of the mess they are making of the public finances. what i was surprised, though, it was we had a chancellor which ignored the reality that most working families are facing in our country. this is an out of touch chancellor. you would imagine that listening to him that there was no fuel crisis, no energy crisis, no shortages, no problems in the abattoirs with the pig and chicken industry. it was astonishing. he had an opportunity to say how the government was going to say how the government was going to help families who were struggling