not be issues. we should be a democratic party and it should not be an issue of trying to cut what members say. be an issue of trying to out what members say-— be an issue of trying to out what members say. you will recall there was a time — members say. you will recall there was a time in _ members say. you will recall there was a time in the _ members say. you will recall there was a time in the new— members say. you will recall there was a time in the new labour- members say. you will recall there was a time in the new labour paid | was a time in the new labour paid eight when they were winning rural seats it was even holding a rural party in margaret beckett was a virus or a feels like very distant days now. bringing your kind of journalist side to this, what do you make of what she is saying? is a serious pitch for rural votes? i serious pitch for rural votes? i don't think it can be, no. the figures — don't think it can be, no. the figures are _ don't think it can be, no. the figures are stark in the story and it's says — figures are stark in the story and it's says it— figures are stark in the story and it's says it leaver hold 17 or semi rural— it's says it leaver hold 17 or semi rurat seats — it's says it leaver hold 17 or semi rural seats and one 870 in the heyday— rural seats and one 870 in the heyday of— rural seats and one 870 in the heyday of tony blair and that is a help of— heyday of tony blair and that is a help of a — heyday of tony blair and that is a help of a decline. the labour focus is on _ help of a decline. the labour focus is on towns — help of a decline. the labour focus is on towns. that is the background and been _ is on towns. that is the background and been a — is on towns. that is the background and been a resident lost the last election— and been a resident lost the last election and it needs to reclaim because — election and it needs to reclaim because labour is dominant in the bil because labour is dominant in the big cities— because labour is dominant in the big cities that does not give enough of a power— big cities that does not give enough of a power base to win in elections