universal credits? or as that decision absolutely closed? we think, decision absolutely closed? - think, laura, the best thing we can do is help people into high wage high skilled jobs. that is what is happening. unemployment is fine rapidly. jobs are being created and wages are rising. rather than raising people's taxes to put more money into benefits, we went to see companies paying their workers more. that's what they are doing.— that's what they are doing. larkins break speaking _ that's what they are doing. larkins break speaking to _ that's what they are doing. larkins break speaking to bryce _ that's what they are doing. larkins break speaking to bryce johnston l that's what they are doing. larkins i break speaking to bryce johnston new break speaking to brycejohnston new york. we arejoined by break speaking to brycejohnston new york. we are joined by adam, break speaking to brycejohnston new york. we arejoined by adam, chief executive of national energy action, thank you very much forjoining us this evening. first of all, how big an issue is fuel poverty before this gas crisis? an issue is fuel poverty before this as crisis? ., ., , gas crisis? enormous. 4 million households _ gas crisis? enormous. 4 million households across _ gas crisis? enormous. 4 million households across the - gas crisis? enormous. 4 million households across the uk - gas crisis? enormous. 4 million i households across the uk 10-20% gas crisis? enormous. 4 million - households across the uk 10-20% of households across the uk 10—20% of the incomejust households across the uk 10—20% of the income just to try and keep warm, that is spread across the country. that is people making vicious decisions every winter with the level of heating and clothing