out those attacks and 2001. as you say, this happens that this week, after a hiatus of 18 months because the pandemic, those five men's appeared in a pretrial hearing. we do not have its relevant all these years afterwards. but they have appeared in a courtroom here in guantanamo bay and as well as those behind the glass, seeing the men in the courtroom, where a few members of the families, of victims of 9/11 came here to observe, they're always invited to observe. it is always a difficult moment. i spoke to one of them who a short while ago, during a memorialservice, talked about her brother billy, who was a firefighter that day who was a firefighter that day who died when the north tower of the world trade center collapsed and said actually, she wanted nothing else than to be here and see the progress in the search for justice.