world that is dangerous for other reasons as well. he talked about the growth of extreme right—wing activity and also hostile states. he talked about espionage and interference. a sense of the breadth of the work mis is faced with at the moment. of the work m15 is faced with at the moment. ,., ., ., ,, i. we can speak now to sir ivor roberts, who's a former diplomat and uk counter—terrorism chief. he is now a senior adviser to the counter extremism project, a new york—based think tank. thank you forjoining us on bbc news this morning. first off, i don't know if you heard the interview on radio four this morning, but what do you make of today's terrorism threats? i you make of today's terrorism threats? ~ you make of today's terrorism threats? ,, ., you make of today's terrorism threats? ~ ., . ~ threats? i think we are back where we were 20 _ threats? i think we are back where we were 20 years _ threats? i think we are back where we were 20 years ago, _ threats? i think we are back where we were 20 years ago, if _ threats? i think we are back where we were 20 years ago, if not - threats? i think we are back where l we were 20 years ago, if not worse. i think the whole idea of the expedition to afghanistan was to