stephen dorrell, and i asked him if it thought the time had come to fund social care properly. i think it is welcome actually. 0n the narrow— i think it is welcome actually. 0n the narrow issue of social care that the government is quite clearly speculating in public now about which _ speculating in public now about which tax — speculating in public now about which tax it is going to raise not whether— which tax it is going to raise not whether it — which tax it is going to raise not whether it is going to raise taxes but which — whether it is going to raise taxes but which tax it is going to raise in order— but which tax it is going to raise in order to — but which tax it is going to raise in order to address the social care crisis _ in order to address the social care crisis but— in order to address the social care crisis but i— in order to address the social care crisis. but i think alsojeremy hunt is quite _ crisis. but i think alsojeremy hunt is quite right to say that you cannot— is quite right to say that you cannot address social care on its own or— cannot address social care on its own or the — cannot address social care on its own or the health service on its own _ own or the health service on its own it — own or the health service on its own it is — own or the health service on its own. it is one health and care system, and the truth is as we look forward _ system, and the truth is as we look forward to— system, and the truth is as we look forward to the rest of this decade, both health and social care are going — both health and social care are going to — both health and social care are going to need more money. his --roosal going to need more money. his proposal is _ going to need more money. h 3 proposal is the national insurance system, and we have met esther