many ironies, by the way, _ at the moment. yeah. it's one of the many ironies, by the way, they - at the moment. yeah. it's one of the many ironies, by the way, they sent | many ironies, by the way, they sent an emissary to speak with me back in 2001 when he was considering what he was going to deal, things are really bad with the taliban at that time. it was a joint operation which put him in a pakistani prison for quite a few years, and things have turned quite a bit since then. tell a few years, and things have turned quite a bit since then.— quite a bit since then. tell us about that — quite a bit since then. tell us about that interaction - quite a bit since then. tell us about that interaction you - quite a bit since then. tell us l about that interaction you have quite a bit since then. tell us - about that interaction you have with them at that time. did they think at that period, i guess you are talking prior to 2000 four, did they think that it was the end for the group? and how did they come back so strongly? he and how did they come back so stron al ? . , and how did they come back so stronal ? .,, .. ., and how did they come back so stron.l ? ., ., strongly? he was reaching out to me before the taliban _ strongly? he was reaching out to me before the taliban and _ strongly? he was reaching out to me before the taliban and fell, - strongly? he was reaching out to me before the taliban and fell, just - before the taliban and fell, just before the taliban and fell, just before the taliban and fell, just before the taliban and thalamus of this would've been a november december of 2001, and they were trying to see what sort of deal they could make them of their ongoing discussions at the time with who is now president of afghanistan, trying to negotiate with taliban leadership. but i think at that time, they were thinking that they