peace and stability, as they claim, they need to be open to all afghans, all persuasions, all different backgrounds, and that we need to have a serious meaningful dialogue which we have not had over the last few years because of a lot of different reasons. . . sorry to interrupt you, is that dialogue beginning to take place with dr abdullah abdullah and indeed hamid karzai, because dr abdullah has been i think actually hosting some of the taliban leaders, in terms of agreeing to meet to discuss a possible way forward, at his own home. what is the situation as you understand it there? dr abdullah, mr karzai and many other politicians who belong to the regime, the republic that mr ghani left behind, decided to stay in kabul, and so they became a bridge between afghan political constituencies, society, different ethnic and social