associates have been consistently blaming pakistan but it is not a solution to the problem. afghanistan's problem is a dynamic and fluid issue that needs to be resolved in afghanistan itself. pakistan's role is limited. i have s - oken pakistan's role is limited. i have spoken to _ pakistan's role is limited. i have spoken to very _ pakistan's role is limited. i have spoken to very well— pakistan's role is limited. i have spoken to very well respected . spoken to very well respected analysts and experts about this and i have spoken to your national security adviser in pakistan about this last week about the use of the taliban over the last three decades as part of pakistan's proxy war. i have spoken to former senators in pakistan who have said to me it is not the civilian government. this is part of the security establishment's policy to use the taliban to fund them, to provide them with sanctuary, to use them against the afghan state because a week afghan state helps them regionally against