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If the last few weeks have proved anything, it cannot be taken for granted. Talking to the plant pickers, Prince Charles calls on pickers who are stickers, to join a National Effort to help farmers with the harvest. Good afternoon and welcome to bbc news. Latest figures show that deaths in care homes now account for a quarter of all coronavirus related deaths in the uk. The office for National Statistics says the number of deaths in care homes since the start of the pandemic is now more than 11,000. Thats more than a quarter of the overall number of people who have died in the uk with coronavirus related symptoms. That number stands at 41,020. Meanwhile, the Economic Impact of the crisis shows a sharp rise in the number of people claiming unemployment benefits. That number has soared to more than two million. Well have more on the impact onjobs in a moment, but our first report comes from our Health Correspondent lauren moss. Its another day counting the human cost of the coronavirus. Latest figures show that while there has been a decline in the rate of people dying, the death toll is continuing to climb. From december until the 8th of may, more than 41,000 deaths related to covid 19 were registered in the uk. More than 11,500 deaths were in care homes over a quarter of the total. It is the second week in a row that the number of those dying in care homes has fallen, but for those working in the sector its a number revealing just some of the devastation that happened behind their doors during the pandemic. Its heartbreaking, and its a tragic number, and i think looking at the number of excess deaths its perhaps the only way we can see a reliable and more accurate picture of the true impact of coronavirus in care settings. The situation in care homes is a huge challenge, and testing has also been a constant headache for the government. 100,000 were provided on sunday. A 200,000 daily targets been set by the end of may. The commons science and Technology Committee has called capacity inadequate and questioned the decision to stop testing in the Community Early on. I think it is now a matter of consensus that if we had more Testing Capacity from the outset, not only would that have been very useful and important in being able to test people for example in care homes, but also it would have shed more light on the spread of the pandemic. While the health and social Care Committee has today heard that a lack of testing meant care home residents may have been exposed. Our focus at the start of this pandemic was clearly the nhs, and there was not a recognition in either the planning process that happened in 2016, or indeed in this current pandemic at the very start of it, that the most Vulnerable People were in care homes. So we should have prioritised care homes. All residents and staff, regardless of symptoms, are to be tested in england by early june. As a collective result of our efforts, especially of care colleagues across the country, 62 of care homes have had no reported cases of coronavirus. And todays figures released by the office for National Statistics show that the number of deaths in care homes has fallen significantly. Different areas of the uk are continuing to take different paths. In Northern Ireland, groups of up to six people who dont live together can now meet outside. Downing streets announced nhs Contact Tracing app being trialled on the isle of wight will be ready to be rolled out in the coming weeks. As we all look to move forward, testing, tracking and tracing will be more important than ever. Lauren moss, bbc news. Lets return now to those figures from the 0ns showing that coronavirus has led to an extra 55,000 deaths in the uk, up until the week of may 8th. The bbcs head of statistics, robert cuffe, told me why this number differed from that being given by the uk gov ernment. By the 8th of may, which these figures apply to, the number of deaths that was announced by the government was around 32,000, just under that. Now, that misses people who did not test positive for coronavirus because when you include death certificates that mention it, that figure rises to 41,000, and the true way to capture the full death toll of the virus is to include all of the people who died because they did not seek or get access to medical care because of the strain the virus puts on society. And when you include that figure, you get this number down at the bottom of the chart, which is about 55,000. Now, that is a difference between the number of deaths that we have seen over the last couple of weeks, since the middle of march, and what we would expect at this time of year. And specialists are largely happy to attribute that to the pandemic. 0k, and that is the numbers, what about the trends . So those are the overall figures, the three different versions, and week on week, the news isnt getting better. Of course, these overall figures will increase every week, but by smaller and smaller amounts. This is the third week in a row that we have seen falls in the total number of deaths and then the number of covid registered deaths. And in care homes also, the news is improving, this chart here shows us a total number of deaths in care homes. You can see that has fallen over the course of the last two weeks from about 7000 down to 5000. And the red blocks on the bars are showing you how many of those include, and mentioned, covid on the death certificate. And that is also falling from about three down to about 2000. This weeks figures, they are slightly flattered because there were not any deaths registered, or almost no deaths registered, on the bank holiday on friday. But this fall is bigger than just one day of no registrations, that trend, that fall is real. This is how snow topped britain looks from the air and this is lesters mainline station, but where are the trends . The big freeze of 1947, the only time on record when the unemployment numbers rose to more than today. The economy was in a deep recession from which it quickly rebounded the next year. Today with the economy shut down for a very different reason and 2. 1 Million People claiming benefits due to unemployment, ministers acknowledged it will get worse. So far, the employment stats really are indicative to the end of march and we will not have a more detailed understanding for about another month, so at the moment the universal credit claimants is where we are focusing our interest, but meantime the department is working across government on what we can do to help people get back into the Labour Market once the economy properly recovers. Todays figures showed jobless claims which fell in the 1990s and noughties are now getting back up there, rising by 850,000 injust a month. Thats far faster than in the Global Financial crisis, including nearly half a million employees and many self employed people robbed of an income by the shutdown. Todays figures confirm that, in spite of unprecedented Government Support, the shutdown is causing an economic calamity. Within the statistics, for every person that loses theirjob, that is a crisis for them and their families and the longer thatjoblessness goes on, the more serious the consequences are for mental and physical health. This wontjust have an impact on peoples well being in the here and now, it will affect their earnings, Mental Health and self esteem for years to come, so it is very important that we deal with the jobs crisis we face just like we deal with the Health Crisis. On top of the numbers claiming are thousands more who cannot claim any form of support. This woman was self employed then took a job at a cinema chain in march just before lockdown. Now she is unemployed and does not qualify for furlough, the support scheme for the self employed, nor even benefits. Financially, i think i have worried, up and down, a bit like a roller coaster. I love to work and save money, so not having an income is concerning me. My concern is long time, the impact, come october, november, iwill my concern is long time, the impact, come october, november, i will have to do my income tax assessment and i am currently eating into my tax savings pot. My concern is come the end of the year when i have to do Self Assessment and i will owe tax to the government, but i will not have that because i have not been working and i have been living off my savings. Some of the poorest areas of the country, from blackpool to middlesbrough and thanet, are also the worst hit by joblessness. I think whats most worrying is that we know there have been about a million universal credit claims in the time just in the time since the data was collected, so unemployment is probably closer to 3 million by now, there are probably between eight and nine Unemployed People chasing every vacancy in the economy. So without doubt this is the toughestjobs market weve seen in a generation. It is on young people that this government ordered lockdown will have the hardest impact, as they emerge from school or university into a landscape of mass unemployment. Many on furlough in retail and hospitality will no longer have an employer when the shutdown ends. Look at the Economic Impact of the coronavirus pandemic. Lets pick up on that. Lets pick up on that. Vicky pryce is chief economic advisor, at the centre for ecomonics business research. Thank you very much for your time. When you shut down the economy, as everybody has, is there anything surprising in these figures . Not really, but what is interesting is the very substantial increase in people claiming for universal credit, which we saw happening pretty quickly when the lockdown was announced. Obviously shops and retail and troubled companies closed down. What has happened since is that because the furlough scheme, remember there are 7. 5 nearly a Million People who are on one of those schemes right now because the companies have put them there, that in itself is not adding to unemployment at present. That number is not counted in. The last two weeks have seen, and if we look at may, because we have had april figures until now, if you look at may, based on the department from work and pensions, it shows that the increase has slowed down very significantly, so you do not have people coming in at the rate that we had during april. In fact, it has gone back to where it was before the crisis in terms of the new cases coming in. It suggests the extension of the furlough scheme has been very significant in slowing down that take up of universal credit. The question is, as we have been hearing from people who have been affected by this in the various sectors, most particularly hit by the coronavirus lockdown, is what happens next when the furlough scheme either gets changed, as it is about to, from august, or gets withdrawn . Then we would probably see that universal credit claimants number shoot up and unemployment rising very significantly to over 10 . A shift of emphasis on the payment of that furlough scheme being pushed back on to employers as the months go by, but how big a problem is this country storing for itself with what is happening at the moment . Country storing for itself with what is happening at the moment7m country storing for itself with what is happening at the moment . It is going to be very significant because many firms have hedged to survive by borrowing, of course, or by drawing on reserves, which means they will start with either a big debt or with very little cash to be able to adjust to a new normal, whatever that is. In some sectors it will be impossible for them to continue. We have seen a number of book firms going into administration, or threatening to do so. We will see loads of sectors affected, whether it is aviation and the travel industry, and so on. But if you look at the commercial property sector, it has been significantly affected. Maybe work practices will change and so on. Maybe work practices will change and so on. When we look at what the impact of that will be two banks and to our own pensions, since a lot of the money goes into those areas to secure pensions for us at the end of oui secure pensions for us at the end of our days, all of that will be affected. It will affect peoples wealth and peoples perception of their wealth and peoples perception of their prospects. If people do not feel they can trust what will happen in the future and be positive, they will not go out and spend. That will bea will not go out and spend. That will be a big issue. At present there are savings because people are not spending like they did before. Will they go back and spend it like they did ina they go back and spend it like they did in a big way . Will they bring those jobs back . Did in a big way . Will they bring thosejobs back . 0r did in a big way . Will they bring thosejobs back . Or will we find ourselves in a permanent, low spending environment where a lot of what we had before will be lost permanently . That is the scarring Effect People are talking about. Will we be able to recover fast and make upfor will we be able to recover fast and make up for everything we have lost . 0r make up for everything we have lost . Or will we have employment going back to where it was again before the crisis . We heard in the report that the younger people tend to get hit the hardest. If you are leaving couege hit the hardest. If you are leaving college or leaving school, your prospects are far worse than they would otherwise have been at the hangover could last for years. People who earn more, interestingly enough, are also the ones who are more able to work from home. Those jobs have been preserved. London has done reasonably well because a lot of services have been able to send people home, whether it is banks or anyone else, and people have been able to survive reasonably well that way. The ones who have lost significantly are those that were customer facing, significantly are those that were customerfacing, and significantly are those that were customer facing, and those significantly are those that were customerfacing, and those include a lot of the young, those in the gig economy, and a lot of young people start in those areas first before they get a properjob with career prospects. A lot of women have also lost out. A lot of the job losses have fallen on them. This is because they tend to be care workers as well, so they have been doubly hit. Yes, the calculations are that if you cannot get onto a proper career path at this stage, you might have scarring in terms of not being able to get back your wage trajectory that you would have got otherwise for yea rs that you would have got otherwise for years to come. It could be three, five or seven years. Yes, i think we will have a problem with youthin think we will have a problem with youth in the years to come. Always good to talk to you, thank you very much for your time. The headlines on bbc news. Latest figures show there were more than 40,000 coronavirus related deaths in the uk up to the end of the first week of may. More than 11,000 of those deaths happened in care homes. Thats more than a quarter of the total number. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit rose sharply last month to 2. 1 million in april. President trump has once again been criticised by medical experts after he said he was taking an anti malaria drug to protect against coronavirus, despite a lack of evidence that it works, and claims that it can actually cause harm. Last month he suggested that ingesting disinfectant could help to treat the virus, a claim that was heavily rejected by health professionals. Peter bowes reports. A lot of good things have come out about the hydroxychloroquine. A lot of good things have come out. And youd be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers, before you catch it. The frontline workers. Many, many are taking it. I happen to be taking it. A jaw dropping statement from President Trump. Theres no medical evidence that hydroxychloroquine prevents the disease or helps patients recover from covid 19. In fact, it could have fatal side effects. But mr trump says even though hes healthy, hes trying it anyway. Cos i think its good. Ive heard a lot of good stories. And if its not good, ill tell you right. Im not going to get hurt by it. Its been around for 40 years, for malaria, for lupus, for other things. I take it. Last month, the us food and Drug Administration said hydroxychloroquine had not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing covid 19. It issued a warning that some people could suffer serious heart problems as a result of taking it in combination with other drugs. Mr trump said hed heard anecdotal evidence that it had helped some coronavirus patients. What do you have to lose . 0k, what do you have to lose . I have been taking it for about a week and a half. Every day . At some point. Every day. The president has been roundly condemned for his use of the drug. Its a medication that has serious side effects, including cardiac arrhythmias, abnormal heart rhythms that could be fatal. And so i really worry about other people listening to what President Trump is saying and potentially taking this medication that has no proven benefit but could actually have a lot of harm. Mr trumps surprise announcement stunned even his most ardent supporters. Immediately following his remarks, a presenter on the fox news network, which is generally supportive of the president , issued a stern warning to his viewers. If you are in a risky population here and you are taking this as a preventative treatment to ward off the virus or, in a worst case scenario, you are dealing with the virus, and you are in this vulnerable population, it will kill you. I cannot stress enough, this will kill you. And in a separate development, mr trump has given the World Health Organization an ultimatum, threatening permanently to stop funding the who if it fails to commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days. Peter bowes, bbc news, los angeles. Maria plumb has been prescribed hydroxychloroquine for the past decade. Shejoins me via webcam from norwich. Maria, first of all, we better explain that you have lupus and that is what it is prescribed for. Explain what that is and what the drug does. Lupus is what they call an autoimmune disease. To put it in fairly simple terms, you can look at it as your immune system is producing too many antibodies, so it is almost going hyperactive and it actually attacks your own body. So it gives you symptoms such as extreme fatigue, joint and muscle pain, skin rashes, hair loss, and in extreme cases it can cause severe organ damage, which can leave you with lifelong disabilities and possibly even prove fatal. So, it is a really serious condition that actually has serious implications for sufferers. How has hydroxychloroquine helped you . Immeasurably. I was put on it after diagnosis in 2009. Up until probably about seven years ago i suffered from the extreme fatigue and the extreme pain, i struggle to work, struggle to have a social life, struggled to even walk. I walked with a stick until about seven years ago. The difference the drug has made is that it has prevented that long term organ damage. It has almost forced me into a remission, so now i havejust almost forced me into a remission, so now i have just a very mild disease. It has been a complete life changerfor me. Disease. It has been a complete life changer for me. And it is designed to help combat the disease you suffer from, to help combat the disease you sufferfrom, and to help combat the disease you suffer from, and it to help combat the disease you sufferfrom, and it also helps with arthritis. I am just wondering what you make of the president of the United States saying that it helps to battle coronavirus. My jaw dropped when i saw his comments overnight. Words escaped me. We are already having trouble getting hold of this particular medication. When i last went for my repeat prescription we had to travel to several pharmacies to actually get hold of it. Why was that . Was that because it had been raised already by the president . There is a general shortage at the moment for hydroxychloroquine. Now i am worried that since the president has raised this that there are going to be people trying to obtain it when they should not be taking it. This is going to cause myself and all my fellow lupus sufferers with really Serious Problems. If you had been in that News Conference yesterday and he said to you what have you got to lose . What would you have said to him . We are monitored really carefully for a ny him . We are monitored really carefully for any side effects from the drug because it can cause really serious side effects. I have to have regular eye test, i have to have my health regularly check. He is risking Serious Problems with his eyes, with his body. This is a serious drug and it should not be taken serious drug and it should not be ta ken lightly. It serious drug and it should not be taken lightly. It is disease modifying. So, if you do not have lupus, what will it be doing to your body . On that basis are you surprised that someone does not perhaps do a bit of research before they start self medicating like this . I would hope that they would, but i know people are desperate at the moment. People are desperate to get back to normal, people are desperate not to catch the coronavirus. So i just desperate not to catch the coronavirus. So ijust dont know. Has anybody asked you if they can have some of your tablets . They havent yet. What would you say . No, absolutely not i amjust havent yet. What would you say . No, absolutely not i am just wondering because now it is out there and we all know how to pronounce it most of the time, what about the impact that the time, what about the impact that the president of the United States will have on global supplies . Do you really believe the impact would be such that it does endanger them . do. There was well documented evidence that when the president said about disinfectant, injecting disinfectant, that calls to the poison centres rocketed. People will listen to him, people will listen to leaders and take this very drastic step. What would your message to him be right now . Please Research Things before you publicly announce. Most grateful for your time. Before you publicly announce. Most gratefulfor your time. Thank before you publicly announce. Most grateful for your time. Thank you. Thank you. From today, people in Northern Ireland who do not share a household can meet outdoors in groups of up to of six. Lets cross to chris page in belfast. This is all part of the easing of restrictions. What else have they announced . Restrictions. What else have they announced . Yes, simon, as you say, a few restrictions being used in Northern Ireland today, most importantly for most people the opportunity for groups of up to six people to meet outside provided they keep two metres apart, the social distancing rules. Plenty of people are taking the opportunity to meet up are taking the opportunity to meet up with friends and family who they have not seen for a long time. Churches are allowed to have private prayer, and driving services are allowed, and driving cinemas and driving concerts are happening, and tennis clubs and golf clubs are reopening tomorrow. It is a five stage plan to recover from the lockdown and the devolved government has now implemented all of the first stage of the plan apart from one element, and that is the possibility that relatives, members of an immediate family, can meet up indoors. That is the one element that has not been brought in yet, but the first minister Arlene Foster says ministers will be meeting on thursday and they will review whether it is possible to bring in that measure. Northern ireland has gone further than england in allowing people to meet up outside. As far as the wider picture in Northern Ireland, there have been more than 600 deaths a year. The department of health has announced a further seven deaths since monday. Nobody is minimising at all the suffering that the coronavirus has caused here and the grief it has caused here and the grief it has caused to so many families. However, the rate of deaths here is lower than in the rest of the uk and the infection rate has been coming under control and the Nightingale Hospital here in belfast may well close later on today as the last remaining coronavirus patients there could be discharged as early as this afternoon. Things are gradually changing here, Northern Ireland is gradually easing out of its lockdown. Most of the first stage is complete, but ministers and doctors are very much stressing people must remain cautious and they must keep on following those social distancing requirements. That is what has enabled politicians to ease the restrictions as of today. Chris, thank you very much. Around nine million easyjet customers have had their e mail and travel details compromised by hackers, in what the airline has described as a highly sophisticated attack. More than 2,000 passengers credit card details were also accessed. Easyjet says theres no evidence that any of the information has been misused, but that its contacting everyone affected. Professor Alan Woodward from the Surrey Centre for Cyber Security explained how the attack could have been carried out. What is interesting in this attack are the 2000 credit cards. The Stock Exchange said that 2000 credit card details had been stolen. But if you look on social media people have been posting e mails from easyjet backin been posting e mails from easyjet back in april, where they were alerted to the fact that the credit ca rd alerted to the fact that the credit card details included the number on the back, which had also been stolen. If that is true, there is probably only one way that that could have happened, which is the same thing that British Airways suffered from and a number of other people have suffered from, which is where the hackers got a bit of the script, the code, onto the payments page. You do not normally store that numberand page. You do not normally store that number and that is the only place where they could have got it from. We were told they were first made aware of this injanuary, so what have they been doing since . Good question. We dont know is the honest answer. 0ne presumes they have involved the National Centre for cybersecurity, but they will be trying to unpick it all and do the forensics and try and understand what happened. If they have detected this script, lets assume for a moment, and is kind of likely that it is one of these attacks where they got a bit of script onto the payment page, the first thing they have to work out is where it came from. How did it get on there . There should be no way of it getting on there in the first place. It is probably a supply chain attack, which means easyjet will use a bit of software from somewhere else and that someone else had their software meddled with and it was imported and used on the site. It is all kind of in depth forensics and they will be rushing around trying to find out exactly where it came from. A lot of people watching now will not be pleased to hear the detail that these hackers have got access to. How likely is it that money has already been taken from accounts . Well, magic art, if it is them, they have a reputation for moving quite quickly because these things are detected and the details they get are only of any use until somebody blocks the card. Although easyjet did say today, and i quote, there was no evidence that the details had been misused. Frankly, that does not fill me with confidence. I think everybody should be checking their state m e nts everybody should be checking their statements anyway religiously. But it does suggest that those 2000 odd credit card owners really ought to be doing the check and making sure that there are no strange transactions. Those are the ones i would be worried about. You are watching bbc news and it is time for a look at the weather. Hello there, it is turning warmer and sunnier right across the board as we reach wednesday. This is where we can see the highest temperatures of the year so far, then there is a chance of showers and thunderstorms on thursday, and then it turns cooler and windier to end the week as low pressure sweeps in. Now, after a fine day for many areas, it looks like the rain will become confined to the Northern Isles overnight, elsewhere variable cloud, clear spells, another very mild night. Temperatures in double figures for most of us. High pressure really builds in across the uk for wednesday, draws of this warm airfrom spain and france, right across the uk, will start wet for shetland. The rain clears here and then most places will see a sunny, very warm day, a little bit of low cloud and mace affecting them other cloud and murk affecting them other than coastal areas. Very warm temperatures, low 20s celsius across scotland, mid 20s in england as well, we could see highs of 27 or 28 in the southeast. For thursday, another warm day in the south, increased chance of thunderstorms, than it is cooler, windier with some showers on friday. Hello, this is bbc news. The headlines. More than 11,000 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the uk since the start of the pandemic. We will not rest from doing whatever is humanly possible to protect our ca re is humanly possible to protect our care homes from the appalling virus. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit soared to 2. 1 million during the first few weeks of the lockdown nine million easyjet customers have their details hacked. The airline has apologised President Donald Trump says hes taking an anti malaria drug to ward off coronavirus, despite Public Health officials warning it may be unsafe. Sport now, and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre. Thank you very much simon. Premier league teams have started non contact training in small groups from today. All clubs carried out coronavirus tests on sunday and monday and the premier league will announce today how many, if any, positive tests were recorded. Lets bring in our reporter laura scott so what will training look like for players today then . It will not beat normal training, but it will be an important step. They can now train and groups of five maximum and they can only play for 75 minutes together on the pitch. That will be closely monitored, there will be no tackling, no contact, and even things like the ball and the pitch could be disinfected so they can keep it as safe as possible. Also the players will have to arrive dressed in their kit, they will not allowed to shower at the training grounds. Their primary leak have said that they will be able to put in no notice inspections, safe squads, to make sure that the clubs are complying with these protocols. Asi are complying with these protocols. As i said, this is phase one of training, phase two would be contact training. These are Big Decisions about players, their safety, we know that not everybody is in agreement about returning. Exactly, what has been suggested by the captain is that he will not be returning to this level of training. Other players seem to be more concerned what is further down the line, phase two and the return to matches, but yes, if he does not return, that will be a blow to them. But he says that he has concerns for his family, he has a young son with breathing difficulties, so he said he will ta ke difficulties, so he said he will take that decision for himself, so clearly the players are not forced to return. What the government said about this return to elite training is that athletes should feel free to t is that athletes should feel free to opt out without unreasonable consequences being impose on them. Thank you very much. Cristiano ronaldo has reported back to Juventus Training Center after a 10 week absence. Ronaldo observed a two week isolation period at his home in turin after spending the lockdown period in his native portugal. The Italian League is hoping to resume playing in mid june. This seasons challenge cup final has been postponed after the Rugby Football League conceded it will not take place at wembley on the 18th ofjuly. The rfl do say they remain hopeful of staging the competition this year and playing the final at the national stadium, even behind closed doors. The sixth round draw was made only days before rugby league was stopped. Formula 1 says it would be unable to hold a british grand prix if personnel are not given exemptions from government plans to Quarantine International travellers. F1 has drawn up plans to ensure its races are coronavirus safe as much as possible. Its hoped silverstone could host one of the first races of the delayed season. The uk government says it will soon impose a requirement on all arrivals from abroad to self isolate for 14 days. If that happens, f1 say it would make it impossible to have a british grand prix this year. Former World Champion ricky hatton says he is thriving under lockdown. The boxer, who has struggled with his Mental Health for long periods of time, points to being able to ask for help as key to coping with any issues that come up. It was very, very hard for a former World Champion boxer to go to someone and say, listen, im on my knees, im crying every day, i dont know what is up at me. To open up and tell them about your problems and how you feel is very hard. The more things that we are doing for Mental Health now, more people are coming out and opening up. I think that is why we are saving lives now. Thats all the sport for now. You can find more on all those stories on the bbc sport website. Thats bbc. Co. Uk sport lets talk in more detail now about the unemployment figures that came out this morning. These are the first set of figures that have been directly affected by the coronavirus lockdown. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit in april soared by almost 2. 1 million, thats an increase of over 850,000. In another indication of the bleak employment landscape, the number ofjob vacancies fell by nearly a quarter to 637,000 in the three months to april. A study by the Resolution Foundation can say that Young Workers will be permanently affected because of the coronavirus lockdown. Lets talk now with Maja Gustafsson from the think tank focussing on people with lower incomes, the Resolution Foundation. It is not just it is notjust a younger, it is also the elder, why are they the worst impacted . What we are seeing is a crisis to the market, we have the biggest impact from the 18 24 year olds, but we also have an impact on the people in their late 20s, so what we have is a crisis that hits sectors very hardly. Specific sectors like retail and hospitality, and the people that work in these sectors are young, there are a lot of older people work working here, but is mostly young people and this has been very hard hit by the virus. We are seeing a lot of these people that have lost their jobs, lot of these people that have lost theirjobs, been lot of these people that have lost their jobs, been furloughed, lot of these people that have lost theirjobs, been furloughed, loss or lost their cut, but the biggest difference is for 18 to 24 year olds. Difference is for 18 to 24yearolds. We are still in a period of lockdown and that pandemic is still around, how easy is that to predict what questions you ask . This is one of the things we have done with the survey, the figures today can show its a broad picture, but the survey with the Health Foundation that we have done is looking across the uk working age population and what is going on in their lives. We are asking people what happened before the crisis and where they are now so we can look at the changes that have happened between february and today and see who has been affected and in what way and what they are thinking about the future. We are talking about service industries, the hospitality industry, that can bounce back. What makes you think that a hangover for this for younger people could last yea rs . This for younger people could last years . Absolutely, the hope is that they will bounce back quickly, but they will bounce back quickly, but the problem is that for young people especially, hospital and retail are sectors that are typically the first jobs that people take on when they go into the Labour Market and it is where people work in the first few yea rs, where people work in the first few years, a where people work in the first few yea rs, a lot where people work in the first few years, a lot of young people. Even if it does bounce back eventually, it isa if it does bounce back eventually, it is a huge problem now, in the here and now people are losing their jobs and being furloughed. People who are leaving education now would not benefit from the Job Retention scheme because they have not had a job yet. So as long as these sectors are down, this will increase the risk of long term pace scoring and long Term Employment scoring affects for the 18 24 Year Old Group especially. Just wondering what the government may think they can do to help because the furlough scheme has been widely accepted as a positive. What is the next phase for the government, is it to guaranteejobs for a period of time . Absolutely, that scheme has been very successful, we have looked at a cross age group who has been getting paid and what people think about this, and people are getting happy, people are getting paid, so that is a positive. What we need to think about now, what the government needs to think about is how to scale this back and look out, especially young people, and make sure that they are going into a job or Training Course and do not go into unemployment when theJob Retention scheme and do not go into unemployment when the Job Retention scheme ends. And do not go into unemployment when theJob Retention scheme ends. So and do not go into unemployment when the Job Retention scheme ends. So do not ended too quickly, make sure to spaced out in an appropriate way keeping in mind all different age groups, especially young people. Id like you say, job guarantee schemes, it isa like you say, job guarantee schemes, it is a good way for young people to get their foot it is a good way for young people to get theirfoot in, get it is a good way for young people to get their foot in, get a guaranteed job, get some experience, and then from there they cannot move up the ra nks from there they cannot move up the ra n ks of from there they cannot move up the ranks of the letter. We are getting used to a lots of buzz phrasing, the phrase economic scarring seems to be around a lot, what do you mean by that . We are still in this pandemic, we cannot tell what the long term effects are, environmentalists would argue that right now the planet is benefiting. Absolutely, there are many different ways to look at this crisis, for the young people especially, looking at scarring affects, that basically means that you will not experience the real increases in pay the other people experience. Some five years ago people who were in this age group met they would be expecting to earn increased wages quite quickly after joining the Labour Market. For the youngest people going into the Labour Market now, this might not be the case. So if we cannot get a firstjob and you cannot move up the pay ladder initially, it would be really ha rd to pay ladder initially, it would be really hard to do so in the future, so youre saying long term consequences of not getting that initial boost to your earnings and your employment. Really good to talk to you, thank you so much. Sweden has attracted worldwide attention over its differing approach to the coronavirus pandemic. It never introduced a full lockdown. But now the country is facing growing criticism for failing to protect its older population. Maddy savage reports from stockholm. A country that never had a lockdown. Sweden promised to focus on protecting the elderly, while keeping much of society open. But thousands are dead, and there are concerns many patients arent getting enough help. The nurse called me and told me that my dad passed away. He was coughing and he wasnt feeling good, so she gave him a dose of morphine. And some other shot. The doctor visited him, and he didnt get any oxygen. Its horrible. Its up to individual regions to make decisions about health care. In stockholm, officials insist oxygen is available for those who need it most. If you need oxygen, maybe we can bring it to the care centres or the other homes or you can transport the patients to the hospital if the medical decision is that they should benefit from it. But some believe not enough patients make it to hospital. This nurse worked in care homes in this city during the start of the crisis. They told us we shouldnt send anyone into the hospital. Even if they may be 65. Officials in her area say nurses can call in doctors into make assessments about hospitalisation. In stockholm, this unused military Field Hospital has become a political battle ground. Officials say its proof the elderly arent being held back because of a lack of beds. But critics say its a symbol swedens been too cautious about hospitalising elderly people. The message has been, they are so fragile, they cant cope with more advanced care. Thats the swedish message. Do you think that is the right message . No. Why not . Because if you need care and you can benefit from care, for example, oxygen for a short time, you should have it. But the governments admitted it is deeply concerned by the number of deaths in care homes. It recently announced funding to improve training for workers and create thousands more permanentjobs. But thats a bittersweet message for the many whove already lost loved ones. Maddy savage, bbc news, stockholm. The headlines on bbc news. More than 11,000 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the uk since the start of the pandemic thats a quarter of all virus related fatalities. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit rose sharply last month to 2. 1 million in april. Nine million easyjet customers have their details hacked. The airline has apologised. Children from wealthier families are spending more time each day studying during the lockdown than the poorest, according to new research from the institute for fiscal studies. It found children from disadvantaged backgrounds have fewer resources for home learning. 0ur correspondent fiona lamdin has been visiting families in the south west that have been given laptops and digital donations to see how much of a difference its making. Two weeks ago we met becky and her two children who were struggling with home learning, sharing one device, a smartphone. Thats the only device that ive got. Well, we have been inundated with offers. Many of you have been donating your own devices to help with home schooling that you are not currently using. Paul had five newish computers just gathering dust. Ive got these five pcs sat from a course that we shut down and why not give them . So we brought them to the schools it hub. In 35 years that ive been in education ive never seen this kind of generosity. Any kit that we get thats probably less then five years old, we will clean, we will make sure it is almost factory reset but with none of your personal data on it. As a result, we can configure it to get ready for our kids to learn. And just round the corner, we meet seven of nicks pupils, all trying to do homework on one smartphone. Its been hard, yeah . Its very hard. And to make things even harder, when dad goes to work, he takes his phone with him. When my dad is in work, i dont do my homework but when he is at home i do my homework and im very happy to do my homework. With his new tablet donated by a viewer, it will help him. Thank you. And its a similar story a few streets away for michelle and nevilles six children. You are doing it all on this . 0n the phone. Doing it all on the phone. It does stress them out because they cant do it when they want to do it. Weve got to try and take it in turns, but some of them dont quite understand in turns. Each child gets an hours slot. Ten year old zion is in the last year of primary school. Hers isjust before bedtime. Its quite hard because im falling behind a little bit. And ijust want to, like, produce more good level work. And there might not be, like, time before your bedtime. And then its hard to fit in all of you on the phone at the same time to do your schoolwork. This tablet has been donated by the viewers and i hope it helps with your home learning. Thank you. Just two devices. Thank you. Tra nsforming the lives and education of 13 children. Eight inspirational people across the uk are being recognised the wars this week. Throughout this week we will be talking to all the winners, those who have been singled out for their outstanding contribution to their outstanding contribution to their communities. Today i wont meet a man from north london. He had a rare form of cancer in his eyes as babies, but the medical condition has not stopped him from doing an incredible amount for others. The younger person to contribute to a cabinet meeting. Good afternoon. I want to put some perspective on this, you we re put some perspective on this, you were under the age of three when you we re were under the age of three when you were diagnosed with cancer in both eyes, what has not meant for you growing up . Interestingly, i had cancer twice, but it was too young for me to remember, so ijust remember the side effects, i am left com pletely remember the side effects, i am left completely blind in my left eye, see about a metre and a half away in my right eye. Having chemotherapy and radiotherapy at such a young age, theres certainly more medical issues come as of the hospital is like my second home. That is the negative side to it, but it is also given me a perspective on life and a drive, so right now i am in a position where, to be honest, i am grateful for my cancer. position where, to be honest, i am grateful for my cancer. I cannot understand how you say that, a lot of people would say that that is beyond inspirational and they would not understand, how did you get through that . Well, i created a kind oft through that . Well, i created a kind of t cells, and i through that . Well, i created a kind oft cells, and i did not through that . Well, i created a kind of t cells, and i did not need a reason of t cells, and i did not need a reason i created an understanding, i wanted to see what i could do, other people saw what i could not do. It meant that at that time, iwas could not do. It meant that at that time, i was kind of on my own, i would get help for my family, but i was ina would get help for my family, but i was in a position where a lot of the normal things i couldnt do in schools that i had to be treated differently. Those down to me to prove that i could be treated the same. So you had to deal with the cancer and the treatment, round after round of chemotherapy. Yeah, i was lucky enough to be young so that is all i have known, so i have not known a life without cancer, it has a lwa ys known a life without cancer, it has always been in my path. So if anyone asks me how i am, im the best ive ever been. I amjust asks me how i am, im the best ive ever been. I am just taking a breath now as i hear that, i want to talk about what you have done for others, thatis about what you have done for others, that is what is being recognised. You have all these difficulties you are dealing with yourself, and yet, you decided to help others. How did you decided to help others. How did you start doing that . When you were brought up with everything you have ever known is the reminder that you could be dead, notjust then, but now, it could happen. That kind of reminder that life is precious, that is not just my life, reminder that life is precious, that is notjust my life, it is everybody elses life, so i grew up with a humongous amount of gratitude for nhs workers and people who want to pursue things to help others. Every single area that i do is trying to inspire others to inspire others, making leaders, and i love doing that. I mention the cabinet meeting, now, you got involved in knife crime because i think you knew some people who were victims, but perhaps you knew perpetrators as well, how did you turn that into a force good . When you are born in north london, the second highest crime rate in london, you are bound to see things going up. You saw the reality, this is not just knife going up. You saw the reality, this is notjust knife crime, but what is actually true, into a large extent a lot of the voices never get hurt. The way i got involved with that was hearing the stories of the perpetrators, never excusing it, but seeing how they got into that in the first place, and seeing how the system let them down a lot of times. So rather than them being pretrade at these vicious creatures, portrayed as vicious creatures, their friends and their peers can ta ke their friends and their peers can take them out of that lives, that is what i wanted to pursue. You have done more than that, you are still involved, are you not . Yes, i am directly speaking to the cabinet, i am glad it got set up. There was a knife youth crime summit recently and after we went to talk to cabinet, the ministers were talking about direct contact and we were able to see some change, but we are pushing for more. We are in the middle of a pandemic, we were talking about what is being done to help disadvantaged youth during this, that is Something Else youre really keen to address. Yes, u nfortu nately really keen to address. Yes, unfortunately the situation is that the masses are concerned, and i the masses are concerned, and i the minorities are being ignored. So what about the kids who have, for example, cystic fibrosis, would they be able to have a separate education . Separate, that is a word, when we return to school and life in september, it will be the most divided and segregated generation ever. So we need to think about effo rts ever. So we need to think about efforts now before we see that massive separation and inequality. Few people have experience in hospital like you have, and you are using that to help young people right now when theyre in the hospital. Yes, when i was in the hospital. Yes, when i was in the hospital back in 2014, i saw areas where young people were having decisions made for them, they were going into surgery, so i decided that young people needed a voice. That we set up a programme where we are now talking to current patients where they do not have people talking directly to them, they have people talking to their parents and their doctors about how they should be living. Should i go to my hospital appointment, and i am really vulnerable . We are there not just to get the medical device, but personal advice, like you should not go to the hospital, we are here to say that maybe on a social level you should Start Talking to people less or talking to people who understand it more. Looking for that grassroots elements which society and life is about. What is that mean to you to get this award . My drive, coronavirus, i am get this award . My drive, coronavirus, iam human, it was looking at me and i was letting my motivation not to see the physical changes. But when i got nominated, when they reflected on my achievements, i was really cocky and it gave me a motivation to continue. I saw some change and now i am more determined than ever, and i have to thank them for the efforts that have been going along to the coronavirus effort. Because of it was not for them, i would effort. Because of it was not for them, iwould not effort. Because of it was not for them, i would not be going in the pace i am now. Just because of who you are and what you do, if someone is watching you now, they have been in lockdown, they have been lonely, perhaps they have no one to talk to, what advice would you give them . You are not in it alone, you have to remember, you can hear me now on a television or on another device, try and find related relatability with other people, and take responsibility. So when you are feeling low and unmotivated, take responsibility and it helps you, you can find that balance between your impact on the world and the worlds impact on the world and the worlds impact on the world and the worlds impact on you and you can feel really not alone, but unified. Do you think you are inspiring . Because i do. Thank you very much, i do not know. I just feel like i do. Thank you very much, i do not know. Ijust feel like i am oak, keeping flames alight. I have so many more elements i need to work on yet and that is what my future goals are, maybe in the future i can a nswer are, maybe in the future i can answer that question more solidly. It would be my absolute pleasure to talk to you and perhaps before then as well, many congratulations for the award, and it is been great to talk to you. Now its time for a look at the weather with stav danaos. We have started off with some cloud and rain across the uk, this will be warm across the uk heading into tomorrow. We have the chance of thunderstorms on thursday and by the end of the week low pressure brings an holder and windier weather. After an holder and windier weather. After a fine day for many, we continue with the cloud across the Western Areas overnight. Rain is confined to the north. For the most part it should be dry with some clear spells and a mild temperature, no more than 10 degrees for most of us. On two wednesday, we see the peak of the warm spell with High Pressure establishing itself across the uk and drying this warm airfrom spain and drying this warm airfrom spain and france northwards. It will start off great and wet in shetland, the rain eventually clears away, much of the country will be dry and sunny, including scotland and Northern Ireland, but with some cloud and maced affecting the coast. Maced affecting the coast. We could see 27 or 28 degrees in the southeast, wednesday night we see a cold front pushing him from the west, that will bring some rain for Northern Ireland and western parts of britain. 0n thursday there will be another warm and sunny day, as this runt pushes and sunny day, as this runt pushes and it could bring in some dorms and showers like storms and showers. In the southeast, little bit cooler weather will push into scotland and Northern Ireland, because we have a deep area of low pressure which will arrive across our shores on friday to bring strong winds across the northwest of the country was not breezy day for most, this will bring some rain to our guidance, but not that much to our gardens, it will feel cooler and in the high teens in the north, maybe 21 degrees in the southeast. As we head to the weekend, it stays cool and breezy, dry pushing into the south on sunday. This is bbc news, im simon mccoy. The headlines. More than 11,000 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the uk since the start of the pandemic thats a quarter of all virus related fatalities. We will not rest from doing whatever is humanly possible to protect our care homes from the appalling virus. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit soared to 2. 1 million during the first few weeks of the lockdown. Nine million easyjet customers have their details hacked. The airline has apologised. The self medicating president. Doctors express dismay as donald trump admits taking an anti malaria drug to prevent coronavirus. What do you have to lose . 0k, what do you have to lose . You take medicine . I have been taking it for about a week and a half. Every day . At some point. Every day, i take a pill every day. If the last few weeks have proved anything it is that food is precious and valued and it cannot be taken for granted. And valued and it cannot be taken for granted. And talking to the plant pickers. Prince charles calls on pickers who are stickers to join a National Effort to help farmers with the harvest. Good afternoon. Latest figures show that the number of people who have died in care homes now accounts for a quarter of all coronavirus related deaths in the uk. The office for National Statistics says more than 11,000 people have died in care homes since the start of the pandemic. Thats more than a quarter of the overall number of people who have died in the uk with coronavirus related symptoms. That number stands at 41,020. Meanwhile, the Economic Impact of the crisis has caused a sharp rise in the number of people claiming unemployment benefits. That number has soared to more than two million. Well have more on the impact onjobs in a moment, but our first report comes from our Health Correspondent lauren moss. Its another day counting the human cost of the coronavirus. Latest figures show that while there has been a decline in the rate of people dying, the death toll is continuing to climb. To covid 19 were registered in the uk. More than 11,500 deaths were in care homes over a quarter of the total. It is the second week in a row that the number of those dying in care homes has fallen, but for those working in the sector its a number revealing just some of the devastation that happened behind their doors during the pandemic. Its heartbreaking, and its a tragic number, and i think looking at the number of excess deaths its perhaps the only way we can see a reliable and more accurate picture of the true impact of coronavirus in care settings. Iam taking i am taking you to the house of Lords Economic Committee because the chancellor is speaking there. Over time we hope as many of those people can return to the jobs they have and thatis can return to the jobs they have and that is very much our ambition and why we put the scheme in place. Quite a lot of those people who are currently furloughed are already in fa ct currently furloughed are already in fact unemployed, are they not . No, they are furloughed and that was the point of the scheme, to prevent mass unemployment happening immediately asa unemployment happening immediately as a result of the lockdown and the restrictions on businesses operating, which is why i took the decision to introduce the furlough scheme to protect peoples jobs and livelihoods. It was through no fault of their own that their business had been closed down to avert the Health Crisis and that is why we implemented the scheme. It allows employees to remain attached to their employers. That attachment, we know, is critical and hopefully allows companies to hibernate for a short term until the restrictions are released and our economy returns to normal and it allows as many of those jobs to be protected as possible. But you are right in the sense that i have said very clearly that although we have put unprecedented, mitigating actions in place, i will not be able to protect everyjob and every business. We are already seeing that in the data and no doubt there will be more hardship to come. This lockdown is having a very Significant Impact on our economy. We are likely to face a severe recession, the likes of which we have not seen, and that will have an impact on employment. we have not seen, and that will have an impact on employment. I was making the point that they will probably be unemployed because the obr probably be unemployed because the 0br and others have changed their view that we will not be having a v shaped recovery to more of a u shaped recovery. Do you accept the length and depth of that recession that you refer to will be very much related to the length of the lockdown. . Yes, that is self evident and what the 0br has specifically said and indeed the bank of england. There are also two things to distinguish. 0ne bank of england. There are also two things to distinguish. One is the immediacy of the Economic Impact, the depth of the recession, which we are currently passing through, and there are a range of estimates between 25 and 35 between the bank of england and the 0br on that, but i think the question that occupies my mind and indeed long term is probably more relevant, is what degree of the long term scarring is there on the economy as the result of this recession . What is the loss in productive capacity . 0nce of this recession . What is the loss in productive capacity . Once we recover from this crisis, by nature i believe it will be temporary, we will suppress the virus and we will progressively lift the restrictions, the question is what do we return to . Thejury the question is what do we return to . The jury is out. The the question is what do we return to . Thejury is out. The 0br in their reference scenario forecast essentially zero scarring. The bank of england has indicated they believed it might be around 1 . The imf have said it might be three or 10 . Imf have said it might be three or 4 . We are clearly dealing with something that is unprecedented, so Economic Forecasting is less precise thanit Economic Forecasting is less precise than it would be. But you are right to say the longer the depth of the recession, all forecasters and economists will agree, the longer the recession, it is likely the degree of the scarring will be greater. So, have you done any analysis as to what point the lockdown measures cause more harm than good . Well, i think, in what sense are you describing harm . I would say exactly what the Prime Minister has said and what he has said publicly and in our document, the current arrangement, the lockdown, does not provide an enduring solution. The price paid is too heavy for our way of life, our society and our economy and for our long term Public Health. That is evident. It was necessary in the short term to put in place the measures we did in order to suppress the virus and allow the nhs time to build capacity and make sure it was not overwhelmed. So far that has been the case. The nhs has not been overwhelmed, there is considerable Spare Capacity in our intensive care units in particular and the nhs did an extraordinarily good job of coping. But we have set out a plan to progressively lift those restrictions to try and return alive back to as much as normal as we can. You are right, there are impacts of the lockdown. Indeed, as the chief medical officer said, there are health impact, not least because people we know are not going to the treatment that they otherwise will have sought. We see that in cancer referrals, treatments and screening. The chief medical officer has talked about that and it is happening right now. People in a e showing up or not where otherwise they might have. Longer term the impact of the lockdown has an impact on our health as well. The impact that unemployment will have on peoples Chronic Health conditions. There is good work from the iss which has talked about roundabout a 2 rise in unemployment leading to about a million more Chronic Health conditions, for example. We know that there are impacts. The impact on childrens learning will be another one. It is probably difficult to simplify it down to a single date, but of course we are trying to balance all those things andi trying to balance all those things and i have said this is not an enduring solution, which is why we have a road map to progressively ease the restrictions and put in place better surveillance and test, track and trace to help us manage the virus long term. Track and trace to help us manage the virus longterm. I can see how difficult this is, but how co mforta ble difficult this is, but how comfortable are you with the range of models and the fact there is such uncertainty about the data which to put into models. You will be familiar with the expression of garbage in, garbage out with models. I was struck, if you go back to 1996 when we had to deal with the bse crisis, that at the time some of the projections for the number of people who would die or up to 100000 and more. In the end it was less than 200. It was because of the uncertainty and the lack of models. You are having to take decisions to spend hundreds of billions of pounds on very uncertain modelling with very limited data. Are you co mforta ble very limited data. Are you comfortable with that . Obviously i am notan comfortable with that . Obviously i am not an epidemiologist and i am more familiar with economic and financial models and i completely agree with garbage in, garbage out. Asi agree with garbage in, garbage out. As i said, i think economic models right now have less value than they would normally. Ithink right now have less value than they would normally. I think the 0br and the bank of england both talked about the unprecedented uncertainty that we are facing, which makes the job of Economic Forecasting in particular more difficult, so we should obviously have humility about the value of the models and the precision with the result is that they generate. Look, i am precision with the result is that they generate. Look, iam not precision with the result is that they generate. Look, i am not an epidemiologist, i am they generate. Look, i am not an epidemiologist, iam presented they generate. Look, i am not an epidemiologist, i am presented with the conclusions of our scientific advisers. They themselves draw on a range of different models within them. There are different modelling groups as i understand it amongst them and they come to a Scientific Consensus that we used to make our decisions. I was really making the point about back in 1996 because the models suggested we should slaughter the entire National Herd and there we re very the entire National Herd and there were very extreme the entire National Herd and there were very extreme suggestions put forward , were very extreme suggestions put forward, but ministers had to take a view and operate with a wider view of what was in the interest of the economy and agriculture overall. Baroness . I am conscious that the Government Support schemes are still a work in progress and are being added to, but can you give us your latest estimate of how much they will cost . And when do the schemes become too expensive . Thank you. I think probably the best estimate there is the 0br reference scenario, which has been updated, which points toa which has been updated, which points to a direct fiscal cost of over £100 million. I would say there are buckets of cost. There is a direct cost of spending on various schemes, for example Business Rates which cost about £12 million. Providing Business Rates holidays, or cancellation of Business Rates for the entire retail, hospitality and leisure sector, that costs around another £12 billion. We have statutory sick pay rebate schemes that are going on and that will cost between one and £2 billion. Then we have the Job Retention between one and £2 billion. Then we have theJob Retention programme between one and £2 billion. Then we have the Job Retention programme and the self employed scheme which, between the two of them, are likely to cost in the tens of billions of pounds, several tens of billions of pounds, several tens of billions of pounds by the time those schemes are wound down, with the furlough scheme recently being extended through to the autumn. 0n recently being extended through to the autumn. On top of that, those are the costs this year, but we have also invested in Public Services which is a direct cost, and that total is around £14 billion. There are also welfare changes that have been made, which will be several billion pounds, to strengthen the safety net this year. Then there are the costs that we will only know down the line, which are still direct, and by those i mean tax deferral and loan guarantees. We have provided considerable flexibility for people to make tax deferral and income tax assessments, those total north of £30 billion. Also tens of billions of pounds in loa n also tens of billions of pounds in loan guarantees. Obviously, depending on what happens to those guarantees and those loans and those deferrals, there will be a fiscal cost from those as well, but we will not know that until some point in the future more likely. You are not envisaging changing particularly from the direction they have. You have to stop them at some point. You cannot go on forever. Of all the things i mention, actually most of them have a finite time already. The Business Rates holidays are for this year. For example, the cash grants we re year. For example, the cash grants were a one off. The loan programmes run through until the autumn when they are no longer available. That will be the same for the future fund thatis will be the same for the future fund that is launching tomorrow. So in one sense the only moving part is the furlough scheme, which we have now set a time limit on. It was extended for four now set a time limit on. It was extended forfour more now set a time limit on. It was extended for four more months and will run until october. At that point all of the schemes will have wound off, or there will be things that will have lasted the full year, that will have lasted the full year, that are knowable because, for example Business Rates. What do you think this means for the budget deficit this year . There were some leaked reports that it might be as high as 337 in a most likely scenario. That was a leaked treasury document. Compared to the 55 million that was hoped for in the budget, but obviously times have changed since then. It will be what it will be. I dont think there is anything wrong in having these measures, but what is the best estimate there . That is substantially more than the obr. The obr recently updated their numbers andi obr. The obr recently updated their numbers and i would point you to that. The unknowable will be significant and it will be significant and it will be significant by historic standards, clearly. I think the unknowable is on the tax side. It is when we actually start to see the next month or two of public finance, the tax collection coming in, then we will have a clearer sense. What we have talked about is the spending side of things, we know what we are doing, but what we dont know fully yet is how significant the hit on the tax revenue side will be. That picture will only become clearer in the weeks and months ahead. But i would also say this is unprecedented action fiscally, clearly, given the scale of what we are talking about and the numbers we have just talked through together. I genuinely believe that the situation in the medium and long term, and indeed short term, which have been considerably worse had we not taken this action and indeed that was the conclusion from both the bank of england and the office for budget responsibility. Your attitude really is you are continuing to do what it takes and we will have to deal with the cost in due course . Yes. Of course that is right. What has guided me goes back to that conversation we had at the beginning. There is obviously an immediate hit to the economy, but what we are trying to do, there is not a lot of that that we can mitigate because it is a function of as closing down the economy. If we close down the economy there is a pretty Significant Impact that we cannot do very much about. The whole point is we were trying to stop that Economic Activity from happening to help control Public Health, that was the point of the exercise. But what i have been doing with the interventions is we are trying to preserve as much of our productive capacity as we can, keep as Many Companies in a viable state because many people are attached to those companies so that when the restrictions are released, when the economy can function as normal, we have not lost a considerable number of those jobs and those businesses, because that is what causes the permanent damage, or the medium term damage, and that is what has a Significant Impact on our public finances. It is one thing, increased debt as a result of interventions this year, but medium term what will matter is what is the size of our economy . What structural deficit or not are we looking at as a result of any scarring that might have happened to the actions i have taken over the last weeks and months, i hope, will limit that scarring and limit the impact on our medium term public finances. So it is your best shot as it were to try and get a v shaped or u shaped, rather than it becoming l shaped . Shaped or u shaped, rather than it becoming lshaped . Alphabet soup of things. One thing i guess is speed and the speed of the recovery is one thing. The sharpness of the recovery. The scarring part is how fardo recovery. The scarring part is how far do you recover . In the 0br reference scenario there was a full recovery where output reached where it was before the crisis. As lord forsyth mentioned, the 0br would suggest that may no longer be there base. It is that gap, that is once we recover, hopefully relatively and swiftly, what is the degree of the scarring . What is the medium and long term impact on our economy as a result of what has happened over the past few months. You hope for a relatively quick uptake as it were . We all would hope that it is as swift and strong as it can be. Clearly, as we are seeing now, we are getting data from around europe as people around the world and as countries are progressively easing and lifting restrictions. It is not obvious there will be an immediate bounce back. It takes time for people to get back to the habits that they had. There are still restrictions in place, even if we can reopen retail, which we would very much like to be able to do on the 1st ofjune, very much like to be able to do on the 1st of june, there very much like to be able to do on the 1st ofjune, there will still be restrictions on how people can shop, which will have an impact on how much they spend, and how many people go out, and those things will all ta ke go out, and those things will all take time. I think in all cases it will take a little bit of time for things to get back to normal, even once we have reopened currently closed sectors. You wanted to come in on this question. Chancellor, you have got a tough task ahead and you are dealing with it as well as can be expected, but i am wondering how much you are balancing the pressures that are on you at the moment with those that are likely to come in the event of one brexit happens . They are somewhat separate things. Right now, we are taking a specific set of measures to contain a Health Crisis and that has implications for our economy, which we have tried to mitigate both in the short and medium term. With regards to our negotiations with the european union, they continue and david frost is, iforget which round he is currently in, but those talks are ongoing. We have been very clear with our partners that we dont have any intention of extending. We believe we have put forward a highly reasonable set of proposals based almost entirely on president , on things the eu has already agreed with other partners. In that vein we hope that we can have a constructive discussion. The negotiations are ongoing. Lets not get. I wasnt really asking about brexit itself. I wasjust wondering how really asking about brexit itself. I was just wondering how you balance up was just wondering how you balance up with what you have to do now with this crisis with the potential for another crisis in future. I wasnt really interested in the brexit issue right now in this conversation, butjust where issue right now in this conversation, but just where there isa conversation, but just where there is a balancing act to be played. am not sure what the future crisis that you might be referring to is, but i certainly would not see our trading relationship and the degree to which we negotiate a tariff schedule as being anywhere near in magnitude to what we are currently dealing with. Ok, lord burns. I would like to claim an interest because i am a trustee of two arts schemes. You have said the Job Retention scheme would be extended until october. Do i interpret from the other remarks that you made in response to an earlier question that you do not have plans to extend the support to the self employed at the same time . What i have said clearly on that is that they are two different schemes and they have two different schemes and they have two different purposes. Obviously i hope you and other members of the committee will appreciate that the Job Retention scheme is designed to keep people attached to their employer and that is what it is designed to do, based on the economic theory behind that. Obviously, given that there are are redundancy periods in place for 45 days, that influences some of the timing around providing people with certainty and clarity over the future, and especially in sectors that are closed which now have a timetable for hopefully reopening and they can plan in advance. It was important to provide that degree of timetable to all of those sectors. The self employment scheme is by nature different. We have, as has been well documented, we do not have information to know what the individual circumstances are of those who are self employed. They do not have the same attachment to an employer. Ultimately they are their own employer. They, as we speak, could still be working and also in receipt of a self employment grant. So it is a very different scheme in that regard. I think about it differently. I continue to review it asido differently. I continue to review it as i do all other schemes. When you announced the self employed scheme in march, use it if we all want to benefit equally from state support we must all pay equally in future. This was interpreted by a number of people implying the possibility of equalisation meaning various taxes and contributions made between self employed and the employed. I do not wish to press your own actions in forthcoming budgets because i know how sensitive that is, but in general terms was that interpretation that people put on that phrase accurate . Interpretation that people put on that phrase accurate . interpretation that people put on that phrase accurate . I think. As you would appreciate well, it would not be right for me to comment on future budgets or future tax policy on anything and that is the reasonably standard answer i give to all of these types of question so there can be no over interpretation of what i say. I would just refer people to the comments i made, those comments i made at the time our comments i made at the time our comments i made at the time our comments i would make again. A more general point, chancellor. Those of us, like yourself who have followed for a long time the problems of fiscal policy and taking actions when there are long lags between those actions and the outcome, and we have often seen the charge that the policy was too little too late and ata the policy was too little too late and at a later stage it was too much, too late. Are you concerned that we are staring at the moment by decisions on relaxing lockdown by monitoring the death figures, which are quite clearly an indicator . Are we not in danger of not relaxing lockdown soon enough by following a lagging indicator . You make a factual observation of all the various indicators one can track. Obviously mortality is the one that happens at last. I would say also we do measure, or the scientist measure, the r factor, a measure of the transmission in the community at the transmission in the community at the moment, which is a more real time indicator, although as we discussed in previous years, it is subject to judgment in models like everything else, and assumptions. Although that is now buttressed by survey data that we are collecting atan survey data that we are collecting at an increasingly large scale, which improves the accuracy of those estimates. But also by the overall infection rate in the community, which obviously impacts the effectiveness of test, track and trace operations, and just having a pool of people that you can handle. I would say all of those things are releva nt i would say all of those things are relevant in the conversation and i believe are relevant in the scientists mines as they provide advice. Thank you very much. Just on that point on the self employed, you may not have had a chance to read the subcommittees report on ir 35, where one of the points that was made was that the policy of trying to equalise the tax rules for self employed and contractors leads to more zero rates employees, that is those who pay the same tax but with fewer rights and less security than those on paye. The taylor report recommended creating a new status, a new employment status, which the government said they accepted, but nothing has happened on it. Is that one of the things on your agenda . That would be primarily a question for the secretary of state of the day who is responsible for employment law. I remember the taylor report. Currently there exists an inconsistency between, if iam exists an inconsistency between, if i am getting this right from memory, between how rules apply for tax purposes and how they do for employment purposes. I think the report said that inconsistency is something that deserves being looked at, which seems eminently reasonable. I think with regard to changes in status, i think the big changes in status, i think the big change that happened was to the state pension and the eligibility for the self employment to access the state pension, which in financial terms is a very significant improvement in state support, which is thousands of pounds annually. I think that was the most significant change that has happened previously. Ithink the most significant change that has happened previously. I think your broader point is right, People Choose to work in different ways and theres different ways, with different benefits and costs, and individuals can choose whether they prefer one mode of working over another. Lord fox. Ideclare prefer one mode of working over another. Lord fox. I declare an interest as i set up a register, including being a director of a company that has used the Job Retention scheme. We have talked about the economy in a rather homogenous way and we have talked about recovery, but there will be a variety of different recoveries and a variety of different types of recovery by sector, but also by region and by country within the United Kingdom. So has the treasury looked at the potential disparity which already exist, but which is also driven by the devolved governments taking different policies and terms of unlocking their economies . Schools, for example, are an important element of unlocking the economy, notjust teaching the children, but letting the parents back into the economy, and that will happen at different rates in different countries. What is the treasurys thinking on the effect of the different decisions being made on the rate of recovery in the nations of the United Kingdom . Obviously it would be for devolved authorities to make their own decisions in their area over things they have competence on, and iam sure things they have competence on, and i am sure they will be making their own estimates of all of those things. I would own estimates of all of those things. Iwould not own estimates of all of those things. I would not disagree that children being back at school is not just good primarily and most importantly for the children themselves in terms of their education and social development, but it obviously has a beneficial impact on freeing up working parents to return to work. We know from the survey data that that has been an issue for many parents. Yes, i agree that may well have an impact. There is also potentially a fiscal impact. In scotland, for example, the Scottish Government could take a different view on how it unwinds the furlough scheme. That would have a financial effect, which at the moment is coming out of her majestys treasury. What is the treasury it was my view if scotland takes a treasury it was my view if scotland takesa diverging treasury it was my view if scotland takes a diverging view on furlough . Just to be clear, the furlough scheme is a uk scheme. As i have said, it will apply nationwide to all sectors, all devolved authorities or regions, equally. I have set out a very generous timetable all the way through to 0ctober, which provides considerable ru nway 0ctober, which provides considerable runway for companies to start back up runway for companies to start back up and for back to work whilst maintaining, as we talked about before, making sure the scheme is overall afforda ble before, making sure the scheme is overall affordable as well. It is not differentiated and i made the decision for the United Kingdom as it isa decision for the United Kingdom as it is a United Kingdom policy. Ok, leaving that to one side, going back to the discrepancy of the recovery in different places, what plans is the government making to support those areas where recovery is going to be harder, versus those areas where perhaps it might be more straightforward . Where perhaps it might be more straightforward . I think where it will be most challenged artsy areas where it will be close, the most important thing to talk about recovery is to reopen the sectors that are close. So first and foremost that are close. So first and fore m ost we that are close. So first and foremost we should be focused on that, so we have set out a timetable to do that, june one for nonessential retail and later for leisure and hospitality. Across those industries there are 3 million or4 those industries there are 3 million or 4 Million People employed, they are disproportionately younger and lower paid and it is critical that we find a way to get all of those people back to their places of work, and it has to be done in a different way. That work is on going with various Industry Task forces, looking at ways to reopen those types of businesses, we are saying across europe that it is already happening. So there is much International President that we can learn from, the single best way to help all of those places, to get them open in the first place. The particular sectors like the hospitality sector are concentrated in areas like coastal towns. What support are you going to give to the local authorities there, who are doing their best to rekindle the economies in those communities with . Iam not sure that there is a universal way to help and i would not concentrated just on coastal areas, and land at National Parks areas, and land at National Parks are being particularly impacted by this, and what we have already done is provide support like cash grants of up to £25,000 to businesses in days sector and recognition in this sector in recognition, and that has been quite considerable relative to their fixed costs. Has been quite considerable relative to theirfixed costs. We has been quite considerable relative to their fixed costs. We did has been quite considerable relative to theirfixed costs. We did not grant scheme based on their Business Rates, that is a proxy for what rental payments might have been, that was distributed through local authorities, but i was a scheme that we put in place at eight national level. To look at the point on regional differences, we are reading and the regional newspapers that the government has placed a lot of emphasis on, the number of cases in london is lower, as london is the dynamo for the southeast as a whole. Are you not tempted to move more swiftly with unlocking the lockdown in london if these figures are correct . I think on Something Like that we are guided by the advice from the scientists who have the best understanding of how the virus spreads and what difference that would make. That is currently not, asi would make. That is currently not, as i understand it, the advice. What they have said that in out reactive fashion, once things are reopen, in an ideal world it would be nice to reopen things everywhere. We would all prefer to get life back to normalfor as many all prefer to get life back to normal for as many people as possible, but what we say Going Forward is that in a reactive sense we will have a much better surveillance operation that is able to look at every part of the country and understand what is happening. If there are isolated or regional or geographic flare ups, then we can intervene on a more specific basis. That is something that has been developed, and it will be part of the future with the Prime Minister and the chief adviser, they have talked about this as well. And talking about restaurants or people who are involved in tourism, you have said that you will extend the furlough scheme from august, but you have not said what percentage should be met by the employer, why are you delaying telling employers that so they can plan . And how are people like restaurants, who are still subject to social distancing, going to have the revenue to be able to do so . Were you not tempted to take a more sectoral approach to the furlough . Known, we are talking about something know, we are talking about something and i will publish details by the end of the month, we were talking about the 45 day redundancy notice as well which i wanted to make sure that we provided and i think that provides ample time for people to prepare because it will have between the end of this month and august to think about that. I have thought about a separate approach, but in practice it would be very difficult to implement. I think it is one thing if your business is closed down, that might be something you can look at, but trying to understand an entire supply chain for the industry and whether all those businesses should be eligible or not, it would be very difficult to enforce. So what we did was have a much more generous approach for everybody that lasted longer. I do not think thatis lasted longer. I do not think that is good to talk about making sure the incentives are right that we can keep this going for longer, so we can incentive incentivize businesses to make the most of reopening and make the most of everything. This is something up businesses need to understand and accept, the principle of an employer contribution, and i understand that this might ultimately undermine the scheme there redundancies in otherwise viable businesses. But once the business is open and has a sense of its future, then i think that it sense of its future, then i think thatitis sense of its future, then i think that it is a reasonable thing to ask. Are you saying that if the businesses close and cannot reopen, like a restaurant, that they might not have to make a contribution . am saying that the sector approach is very difficult to implement and practice, people suggest that it can be done for sectors that were closed and then reopened and they could have a different scheme, my point would be that there is an entire supply chain of those companies which actually, in practice, very ha rd to which actually, in practice, very hard to differentiate between businesses. Lets pull away from that, the economic committee. Rishi so knock it saying that the jury is out on what the british economy is saying the economy will look like after the crisis. The long term damage, or scarring, after the crisis. The long term damage, orscarring, it is after the crisis. The long term damage, or scarring, it is likely to suffer. Lets pick up with our chief political correspondent. Very much a pushback that there will be a quick bounce back, we are getting a picture that things are dark at the moment. I think that is the point, very sombre, not surprising when you consider that many parts of the economy have been deliberately closed down by the government to stop the spread of this virus, and i think that he said very explicitly that this is a severe recession, the likes of which we have not seen. He talked about the help that is been put out there and he says that i direct cost of £100 billion, on the spending side, what he does not know is how this will impact tax revenue, so it could end up being more expensive ultimately. The furlough scheme. 8 Million People on that scheme, and he is explaining why he has done not because he wants people to go back to having that connection between the worker and the company so that they are not made redundant at this point, but also admitting that he cannot save everyjob. The long term consequences of what damage there will be long term to the economy is unknown, and we have had all of these letters, talking about a sharp decline and a sharp increase back to normality, or possibly a recession with a long term impact on the economy with productivity shrinking and with it rocketing unemployment. The government is under pressure on all sides, matt hancock was addressing it earlier, and there does seem to bea it earlier, and there does seem to be a bit ofa it earlier, and there does seem to be a bit of a blame game coming out. I think today that there was evident evidence taken about frustration in the care sector and that goes back to testing, the fact that the country did not have the capacity to do widespread testing, and the criticism that there has been from the Science Community as well that this meant that that was driving decision making. So all the resources for testing with focus on the nhs, and the care sector, they feel they were ignored, and they have the most Vulnerable People in it, so i think there is a discussion about why testing was random weaker, why Public Health england, some are saying that they were too worried about using their own labs and not bringing ina about using their own labs and not bringing in a private sector. All of that shouldve been done quicker, andi that shouldve been done quicker, and i think this goes to the broader thing of years and years politicians talking about the integration of the nhs and social care and it has not happened, and i think this crisis has really shown in the most dreadful way when those two dont join together, what can happen. This is discussing a National Umbrella group and other different groups, dont know if you heard what they gave saying there, the focus on ca re they gave saying there, the focus on care homes and the argument from any many, i think it is too late. We are hearing two stories here. We have a virus going around the world targeting those most vulnerable, but we have another story which is the consistent and prolonged undermining of the social care and public sector, including health and social sectors, and what we see now is the latest chapter this playing out on the covid 19 stage. We saw the people crying outside of their care home last week, and that really moved me, and that woman was saying that she does not need a badge to be valued, she has not been valued for 20 years. And i think the blame, if there is a blame game going on, the responsibility lies with the current government. There has been a total underinvestment of the sector and it was inevitable that, should we face a pandemic, and of course they were warned or years ago of the impact. It started off with the travesty of the lack of ppe because there was no stockpiling in line with recommendations, but now this has become testing. At the local level we are hearing stories of long waits for testing, the losing of test. I know one care home that had 66 test donein know one care home that had 66 test done in the care home and the whole lot were lost. Lab capacity locally cannot cope with the demands, so what we have seen is a gradual erosion of the infrastructure and the asset set of our communities have. So when this came along, we we re have. So when this came along, we were unable to cope. have. So when this came along, we were unable to cope. Ijust want to pick upa were unable to cope. Ijust want to pick up a few things there, i want to go to the history of social care, we have discussed this for many months. The department of health and social care, they say that they have delivered 1. 3 billion items of ppe synthase has began, there is a 24 hour helpline, there is Infection Control training, two thirds of english care homes have not had an outbreak, that is a message at the Health Secretary reinstated today. What do you say to that . The numbers are material, arent they . You and i know how many facemasks it takes or one him care provider to help protect their staff for a week, were talking about 17,001 instance i know of. It sounds impressive, but ca re i know of. It sounds impressive, but care staff are on their knees with a some of the Mental Health of the sector and the staff within the sector and the staff within the sector has never been so bad. We had a recruitment problem before this, this is not good for anyone who chooses to work in the social care sector. If there are a reduction of infections within care homes, it is down to the hard work of care staff, it is not the sums of money that. So yes, i am furious on behalf of my collea g u es so yes, i am furious on behalf of my colleagues at the effort the government is taking to take credit. The government will say, we do give money to local authorities, but there is a responsibility there as well. Where has the money gone . The odd million here and there, some accou nts odd million here and there, some accounts say they are getting another 8. 3 million to going to care homes, it is too late, the damage has been done to residence, some of whom who died, into a care sector whom who died, into a care sector who has really struggled. They are cut to the bone, they have no capacity to respond, they have no resources to respond to the Something Like a pandemic coming along because they have to cut their budgets down to the minimum. There is no money to be made in a care home or a care agency at the moment. Does that mean some will have to close . Does that mean some will have to close . The landscape has changed com pletely close . The landscape has changed completely and we are having conversations with our members locally, with our social services partners, who have been fantastic during this period, we are having conversations about business recovery, and they have recognised the demands that have been put on the demands that have been put on the care sector at the moment and the care sector at the moment and the long term implications. 0ne example of this is that we know that private paying funders are cross subsidizing the fees that councils can subsidizing the fees that councils ca n afford subsidizing the fees that councils can afford to pay care providers. Private sector funders have fallen off the list, they have disappeared, partly because some of the negative stories about care homes, but families are going back to them and doing the care themselves, so the subsidy that the care providers were relying on has disappeared. So we really are. Cross party lobbying has been asked to do something about care, but it is too late. One more question for you, you have talked about a blame game, and politically we talk about a blame game, what about the weight the care homes themselves have operated . About the weight the care homes themselves have operated . A lot of people have pointed to the fact that ca re people have pointed to the fact that care workers, those on the front line, many of them work in one, pack up line, many of them work in one, pack up and go to another, they might have contracted the disease themselves, it is a way that they are being operated that has not helped here. We have a market that has been damaged by the lack of investment, the lack of ability to pay their staff well care providers have to live hand to mouth, local authority commissions and amount of ca re authority commissions and amount of care or bed in a care home and they pay just for that person. Care or bed in a care home and they payjust for that person. You are right, the problem with that is that ca re right, the problem with that is that care employees have to seek work where they can, and nature of this work anyway means that people are moving from one home to another, may be coming across relatives who might be coming across relatives who might be infected. And there is a risk to thejob be infected. And there is a risk to the job that they do because of the people they see in the community. Another thing, media people they see in the community. Anotherthing, media including bbc, has anna fantasticjob talking about the plight of care homes and the government has responded accordingly and some ways, but the plight of Community Services is still out there. Home care, supported living, extra ca re there. Home care, supported living, extra care housing and also people who have employed personal assistance with their direct payments. There is nowhere outside of the standard nhs framework for those people to be tested, so they are queuing up with anybody over the age of 65, staff are queuing for hours on end. The Testing Facilities only have the capacity to test those who are symptomatic, so the grand gestures about everyone can have a test, and reality this is nonexistent at a local level. can have a test, and reality this is nonexistent at a local level. I am most grateful, we are having small problems with the line, but i am grateful. Thank you very much for joining us. 9 million easyjet customers have had their information packed in what is described as a if gated attack. Easyjet says it is contacting everyone that has been affected. We have someone from the centre for cybersecurity who said that this could have been carried out by eight named group. The interesting part about this is the 2000 on credit cards, because what we saw today was that 2000 credit ca rd we saw today was that 2000 credit card details, and that was all they said, but there is evidence online and on social media that people have been posting e mails from easyjet backin been posting e mails from easyjet back in april where they were alerted to the fact that credit card details included in the back, the cbv number, had also been stolen, and there is only one way that this could have happened, and this is a specific kind of attack that British Airways and others have suffered from. This is one hackers managed to get a little bit of code onto the payments page, because you do not normally store that number, so that was the only place i could have got it. What has been going on behind sense . They will be trying to unpick it all, they will be trying to do the forensics and understand what happened and if they have detected this script, i think it is highly likely that it is an attack where they get the script onto the payments page, the first thing they have to work out is where did it come from, how did it get on there, because it should not be on there. It is probably what is called a supply chain attack, which means that easyjet will be using a bit of softwa re that easyjet will be using a bit of software from someone else and not someone software from someone else and not someone else had their software meddled with and then it was imported and used on the site. It is all that kind of in depth forensics, and they were rushing around trying to figure out where it came from. Lot of people watching them now will not be pleased to hear the detail that these hackers have access to. How likely is it that money has already been taken from accounts . Well, if it is the group we think, they have a reputation for moving quickly, because these things are detected and the details are only abuse until someone blocks the card. But easyjet did say today that there was no evidence that the details have been misused, but that does not fill me with confidence. I think everybody should be checking their state m e nts everybody should be checking their statements anyway, but it does suggest that those 2000 credit card owners ought to be doing a check and making sure there are no strange transactions on there. Those are the ones that i would be worried about. There are concerns that will be a lack of seasonal pickers, we have a video from Prince Charles discussing the season. Harvesting runs until early autumn, and people are needed who are going to commit, what i generally say is we need people that are pickers and stickers. This can be something difficult and at times challenging, but at the height of this global pandemic, you will be making a vital contribution to the National Effort. The prince of wales, lets look at the weather. This weather is looking to be quite changeable, we are looking at some cloud, and the chance of thunderstorms in some places on thursday and by the end of the week we have some cooler and windier weather. After a fine day for many weather. After a fine day for many we will continue with the cloud across the Western Areas overnight, rain is confined to the north, soever worlds will be generally dried with mild temperatures around 10 degrees for mould of us. We will likely see the peak of the heat of this warm spell with High Pressure establishing itself across the uk starting to dry up this warm air from spain and france, northwards all the way up toward shetland. But we will start off quite grey and wet near shetland, but much of the country will be dry, but low cloud and mist affecting the coast of england at times. Temperature, 18, 20 degrees in scotland, 27 or 28 degrees in the southeast. Wednesday night we see this cold front start to push and from the west, that will bring in some rain for Northern Ireland, western parts of britain, and that is from thursday. But another warm and sunny day, but as his front porches and it could spark some thunderstorms in the southeast, maybe some for eastern scotland. Another warm day for england wales, 27 degrees in the southeast, we have got a deep area of low pressure that will arrive across our shores on friday to bring strong winds across the northwest, it is been a breezy day mills. Rain will spread eastwards to bring water to our gardens, but not that much, the sunshine will make a return through scotland. It will feel cooler though, 18 to 21 degrees in the southeast. As we head into the weekend, a stays cool and breezy with friends or showers on saturday, saying dry am pushing to the south on sunday. This is bbc news, im ben brown. The headlines. More than 11,000 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the uk since the start of the pandemic thats a quarter of all virus related deaths. We will not rest from doing whatever is humanly possible to protect our care homes from the appalling virus. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit soared to 2. 1 million during the first few weeks of the lockdown. Nine million easyjet customers have their details hacked. The airline has apologised. The self medicating president. Doctors express dismay as donald trump admits taking an anti malaria drug to prevent coronavirus. What do you have to lose . 0k, what do you have to lose . You take medicine . I have been taking it for about a week and a half. Every day . At some point. Every day, i take a pill every day. Good afternoon. The number of people who have died in care homes now accounts for a quarter of all coronavirus related deaths in the uk. The figures from the office for National Statistics show more than 11,000 people have died in care homes since the start of the pandemic. For the second week running figures show the figure has fallen. Meanwhile, the Economic Impact of the crisis has caused a sharp rise in the number of people claiming unemployment benefits. That number has soared to more than two million. In westminster, a group of mps have writted to borisjohnson saying the governments testing capability for coronavirus has been inadequate throughout the pandemic. And in the United States, President Trump says he is taking the anti malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to ward off coronavirus, despite Public Health officials warning it may be unsafe. 0urfirst report this afternoon is from our Health Correspondent, lauren moss. Its another day counting the human cost of the coronavirus. Latest figures show that while there has been a decline in the rate of people dying, the death toll is continuing to climb. From december until the 8th of may, more than 41,000 deaths related to covid 19 were registered in the uk. More than 11,500 deaths were in care homes over a quarter of the total. It is the second week in a row that the number of those dying in care homes has fallen, but for those working in the sector its a number revealing just some of the devastation that happened behind their doors during the pandemic. Its heartbreaking, and its a tragic number, and i think looking at the number of excess deaths its perhaps the only way we can see a reliable and more accurate picture of the true impact of coronavirus in care settings. The situation in care homes is a huge challenge, and testing has also been a constant headache for the government. 100,000 were provided on sunday. A 200,000 daily targets been set by the end of may. The commons science and Technology Committee has called capacity inadequate and questioned the decision to stop testing in the Community Early on. I think it is now a matter of consensus that if we had more Testing Capacity from the outset, not only would that have been very useful and important in being able to test people for example in care homes, but also it would have shed more light on the spread of the pandemic. While the health and social Care Committee has today heard that a lack of testing meant care home residents may have been exposed. Our focus at the start of this pandemic was clearly the nhs, and there was not a recognition in either the planning process that happened in 2016, or indeed in this current pandemic at the very start of it, that the most Vulnerable People were in care homes. So we should have prioritised care homes. All residents and staff, regardless of symptoms, are to be tested in england by early june. As a collective result of our efforts, especially of care colleagues across the country, 62 of care homes have had no reported cases of coronavirus. And todays figures released by the office for National Statistics show that the number of deaths in care homes has fallen significantly. Different areas of the uk are continuing to take different paths. In Northern Ireland, groups of up to six people who dont live together can now meet outside. Downing streets announced the nhs Contact Tracing app being trialled on the isle of wight will be ready to be rolled out in the coming weeks. As we all look to move forward, testing, tracking and tracing will be more important than ever. The 0nss calculation of the number of people who have died from the virus is higher than that produced by the government each day. The bbcs head of statistics, robert cuffe, explained to me why. By the 8th of may, which these figures apply to, the number of deaths that was announced by the government was around 32,000, just under that. Now, that misses people who did not test positive for coronavirus because when you include death certificates that mention it, that figure rises to 41,000, and the true way to capture the full death toll of the virus is to include all of the people who died because they did not seek or get access to medical care because of the strain the virus puts on society. And when you include that figure, you get this number down at the bottom of the chart, which is about 55,000. Now, that is a difference between the number of deaths that we have seen over the last couple of weeks, since the middle of march, and what we would expect at this time of year. And specialists are largely happy to attribute that to the pandemic. 0k, and that is the numbers, what about the trends . So those are the overall figures, the three different versions, and week on week, the news isnt getting better. Of course, these overall figures will increase every week, but by smaller and smaller amounts. This is the third week in a row that we have seen falls in the total number of deaths and then the number of covid registered deaths. And in care homes also, the news is improving, this chart here shows us a total number of deaths in care homes. You can see that has fallen over the course of the last two weeks from about 7000 down to 5000. And the red blocks on the bars are showing you how many of those include, and mentioned, covid on the death certificate. And that is also falling from about three down to about 2000. This weeks figures, they are slightly flattered because there were not any deaths registered, or almost no deaths registered, on the bank holiday on friday. But this fall is bigger than just one day of no registrations, that trend, that fall is real. Were expecting the daily downing street briefing on coronavirus injust under an hours time. It usually starts at around 5 oclock. Todays briefing will be led by George Eustice the environment secretary and hell be joined by professor dame angela mclean, the chief scientific adviser to the mod. Well bring you that live as soon as it starts. The number of people claiming benefits soared during the first full month of the coronavirus lockdown. There were 2. 1 Million People claiming benefits in april thats a rise of 70 . 0ur economics correspondent andy verity reports. This is how snowed up britain looks from the airand this is how snowed up britain looks from the air and this is london s mainline station. Snowdrifts forced the railways and the economy into a deep recession from which it quickly rebounded the next year. Today with the economy shut down for a very different reason and 2. 1 Million People claiming benefits due to unemployment, ministers acknowledge it will get worse. So far, the employment stats are indicative to the end of march and we will not have the more detailed understanding for about another month, so at the moment the universal credit claimants is where we are focusing our interest. Meantime, the department is also working across government on what we can do to help people get back into the Labour Market once the economy properly recovers. Todays figures show jobless claims which fell in the 19905 jobless claims which fell in the 1990s and naughties are getting back up 1990s and naughties are getting back up there, rising by 50,000 injust a month. That is faster than in the globalfinancial month. That is faster than in the Global Financial crisis, month. That is faster than in the globalfinancial crisis, including half a million employees and many self employed people robbed by the shutdown of an income. The shutdown is causing an economic calamity, despite unprecedented Government Support, with statistics for every person losing theirjob that is a crisis for them and their families and the longer the joblessness goes on, the more serious the consequences are for mental and physical health. This will not impact on peoples well being on the here and now, it will impact their well being and their health for yea rs well being and their health for years to come and it is important we deal with thejobs years to come and it is important we deal with the jobs crisis we face just like we will deal with the Health Crisis. This woman cannot claim any form of support. She was self employed and took a job at a cinema chain in marchjust self employed and took a job at a cinema chain in march just before lockdown. Now she is unemployed and does not qualify for furlough, the support scheme for the self employed, nor even benefits. Financially i have worried up and down, a bit like a roller coaster, because i love to work and save money. So, not having an income is concerning me. My concern is actually long term, the impact. Come 0ctober, actually long term, the impact. Come october, november, iwill actually long term, the impact. Come october, november, i will have to do my Self Assessment for tax for the past year and i am currently eating into my tax savings pot. My concern is come the end of the year when i have to do a Self Assessment and io a lot of tax to the government that actually i will not have that because i have not been working and i have been living off my savings. Some of the poorest areas in the country, from blackpool to middlesbrough and thanet, are also the worst hit byjoblessness. Middlesbrough and thanet, are also the worst hit by joblessness. There have been about a million universal credit claims just since the data was collected, so unemployment is probably closer to three million and there are probably eight or nine Unemployed People chasing every va ca ncy Unemployed People chasing every vacancy in the economy. This is the toughest jobs market we vacancy in the economy. This is the toughestjobs market we have seen in a generation. It is among young people that the lockdown will have the hardest impact, as they emerge from school or university into a landscape of mass unemployment. Many in furlough landscape of mass unemployment. Many infurlough in landscape of mass unemployment. Many in furlough in hospitality and retail will no longer have an employer when this all ends. The chancellor rishi sunak has said it will take time for the economy to get back to normal even after lockdown measures are lifted. He told the Lords Economic Affairs committee that recovery might take some time. We would hope that it is as swift and strong as it can be. Clearly, as we are seeing and strong as it can be. Clearly, as we are seeing now, we are and strong as it can be. Clearly, as we are seeing now, we are getting data from around europe as people, and around the world, as countries are progressively easing and lifting restrictions that it is not obvious there will be an immediate bounce back. It takes time for people to get back to the habits that they had. There are still restrictions in place. Even if we can reopen retail, which we would very much like to be able to do on the 1st ofjune, there will still be restrictions on how people can shop, which will have an impact on how much they spend, and how many people go out, and those things will all take time. I think in all cases it will take a little bit of time for things to get back to normal even once we have reopened currently closed sectors. Joining us now is the conservative mp anthony browne, a member of the house of Commons Treasury Committee and former chief economic adviser to borisjohnson when he was london mayor. Thank you for being with us. The chancellor there was saying he does not know how long it could take for the economy to bounce back. How long the economy to bounce back. How long the inevitable recession will last. What are your thoughts on how long it might take . This is an unprecedented recession, it is like none we have seen unprecedented recession, it is like none we have seen before, so he cannot go back on history and say this is what happened last time. Most economists predicted a quicker bounce back than you would normally expect in other forms of recession, during a financial crisis. If the lockdown measures continue, and that depends on the pandemic, then it will take time for retail to get back. Hospitality, pubs and restau ra nts, back. Hospitality, pubs and restaurants, if they have two social distance, many of them may not be economically viable in the long run. We are looking at what would be an elongated bounce back, so probably a couple of years. The chancellor has been praised for spending tens of billions to furloughed people and so on to help businesses, but how will that will be paid for in the end . Will we have higher taxes down the line . There is a lot of uncertainty, but there are a couple of certainties. 0ne but there are a couple of certainties. One is we are about to have a deep recession, we are already in it, unemployment rising, and the other is we will have far Greater National debt. But we do not know how high it will go. Some are predicting 100 of gdp, but it is far less than the debt we had at the end of the Second World War when it was 250 of gdp. We also do not know the annual budget deficit, the difference between the income the government has and the expenditure. Until the economy bounces back and until we know what the tax revenues are, where unemployment will go, we do not know what the deficit will be. That is critical to plan forward. Can i ask you about the criticism we have had today from the science and Technology Committee about the governments record on testing. Some damning criticism, saying it has been inadequate, saying it has been inadequate, saying ditching Community Testing in the middle of march was one of the most consequential decisions of this crisis. What do you make about the attack on the governments record on testing . Well, the problem we had as a country when we started this epidemic was we did not have a big Diagnostics Industry, unlike germany. We did not have the preparedness of singapore and south korea. They have had epidemics in very recent times. We started without that Testing Capacity and it ta kes without that Testing Capacity and it takes time to build up that capacity. You cannot just takes time to build up that capacity. You cannotjust magically wave a wand and say the testing is there. The government did build it up there. The government did build it up and we do now have 100,000 tests a day on average, aiming for 200,000. While the committee rightly said we should have had Community Testing throughout, we did not have the Diagnostics Industry there. We have now built that up. The Health Secretary has said that everyone over the age of five with symptoms can get testing. At the end of the day, we will have to look at all the Lessons Learned from this, whether it is the diagnostics, ppe, care homes, and so on, and make sure that if it ever happens again we will be as prepared as some of the east Asian Countries were. The work and pensions secretary, therese coffey, has deflected the criticism onto the scientist. She said if the scientists were wrong, advice at the time was wrong, and i am not surprised people at the time think that we may wrong decision. This is unprecedented. We do not know this virus, we do not have decades of a track record with this virus and science has been involved all the time. This is why government guidance has been changing. We get new evidence about does it transmit amongst children or not . The changing government guidance reflects that. Ministers can only make decisions based on the knowledge they have at the time and the scientific advice. Should that scientific advice and not be published . Scientific advice and not be published . Should scientific advice and not be published . Should we not be more transparent about that advice . It is not all out there, is it . A lot of it is published. I have been reading a lot of scientific papers and a lot of it is out there. What we should avoid doing, but it is very tempting for everyone, including opposition politicians, to be wise after the event, but you can only base your knowledge and decisions on the knowledge and decisions on the knowledge you have at the time. The difficulty for ministers is they are basing decisions on very partial evidence because we do not know about this virus and or how it is going to spread. Many thanks for your time today. Disney is ordering all unofficial websites based on its game club penguin to shut down after a bbc investigation found children being exposed to sexually explicit messages, racism and anti semitism. Disneys original game had 200 million users at its peak, but was closed down three years ago. During the pandemic lockdowns one fan run site surged in popularity but has now been shut down and a british man arrested. 0ur Cyber Security reporterjoe tidy reports. This report contains language which some might find offensive. By modern standards its not much to look at. But during the pandemic, club penguin, a game that was discontinued by disney years ago, became an unlikely hit. Unofficial fan run websites saw a surge in players from chile to new zealand in peru to portugal. Club penguin 0nline, the largest of these so called private servers said it put on more than one million new players in april alone. But now disney has has had the site shut down, after a bbc investigation found the game was not as innocent as it appeared. The original club penguin was heavily moderated by people and computers. This is not. Theres tonnes of swearing and almost all conversations end up about sex. Theres even penguin e sex. Basically sexting. Theres also some pretty toxic chat and bullying. I saw some horrible anti semitism and racism. At one stage, i was invited to someones igloo which had been decorated by spelling out the n word in chairs. Many of the players in these so called mature sections of the games seem to be in their late teens but there were young kids here too. It only says this is a mature server, are you sure you want to join . Any kid can just click it and then they just see all this inappropriate stuff. I met kayden on the lively Discord Forum for the game whilst we were both playing. He is 14. In igloos, i have seen people say strip club igloo, pimps needed, strippers needed, theres a lot of swearing on there. I feel like theres probably gonna be someone on the other side that is not who they say they are at all. I have been asked a lot of crazy things so i try not to go on the mature servers any more. His dad assumes club penguin was like it used to be. Hes not happy with what it has become. I was shocked, i didnt know that. I thought if he saw club penguin, he is in a pretty safe place. That was just the way i thought. But now that i learn this, i wanted to talk to him. And its notjust what has been happening inside the game. Behind the scenes, in some elements of this community, its truly toxic. Since disney dropped the game a few years ago, there has been a nasty battle for supremacy and ownership of these penguins and their fans. Rival versions of the game servers are accused of intimidation and stealing and in order to get one over on each other. But as well as this warring between the different games, a british man involved in Club Penguin Online has been arrested on suspicion of possession of the indecent images of children. Police say has been bailed pending further enquiries. Disney has also issued Legal Notices to all fan run sites and it seems Club Penguin Online has shutdown. Disney said in a statement. It looks like the unexpected rise of this strange Online Community could ultimately have letterheads fall. Around nine million easyjet customers have had their e mail and travel details compromised by hackers, in what the airline has described as a highly sophisticated attack. More than 2,000 passengers credit card details were also accessed. Easyjet says its contacting everyone affected. Professor Alan Woodward from the Surrey Centre for Cyber Security explained how the attack could have been carried out. The bit that is interesting is the 2000 odd credit cards. What we saw today in the announcement at the Stock Exchange, which said 2000 credit card details were stolen, thatis credit card details were stolen, that is all that said, but if you look online and social media people have been posting e mails from easyj et have been posting e mails from easyjet back in april where they we re easyjet back in april where they were alerted to the fact that credit ca rd were alerted to the fact that credit card details, including the number on the back, had also been stolen. If that is true, then there is probably only one way that could have happened, which is these so called magic art attack, which is what British Airways has suffered from, where the hackers managed to get a bit of the script, the code, onto the payments page, because they do not normally store that number. That is probably where they got it from. The numbers of Child Migrants arriving in southern england in small boats has almost doubled in the last year putting social services and finances under greater strain. Experts say the coronavirus pandemic is making the situation worse. Colin campbell reports. Infa nts infants and toddlers are wrapped in bla nkets infants and toddlers are wrapped in blankets and ta ken infants and toddlers are wrapped in blankets and taken to safety. This was done in a week ago, more teenage children and boys, some unaccompanied, others with families, photographed after reaching the shore in an inflatable dinghy. In total i saw about five children aged between five and 12. They looked a bit disorientated. And lost. Since the beginning of this year, scores of children have made a hazardous journey across the english channel, many of them unaccompanied. When they arrive, usually in dover, they are placed into the care of kent cou nty are placed into the care of Kent County Council. In april 2019, kent cou nty county council. In april 2019, Kent County Council. In april 2019, Kent County Council was caring forjust over 250 unaccompanied asylum seeking children under the age of 18. This year the current total is 469, including those over the age of 18, known as care leavers, the number exceeds 1400 being looked after in the county. How are you trying to get to england . It is children like this seven year old who i met in calais last september who i met in calais last september who are making perilous crossings in flimsy boats. Charity workers in the region say deteriorating conditions in migrant camps and the fear of the coronavirus r factor is increasingly driving migrants to the uk. The conditions have got so bad with the virus that people are more desperate to get to the uk. The weather has got better which facilitates crossings by boat. However, the most difficult thing for people is not being able to support their children. Costing at least £3000 to get here in a bow, there are fears some of the children are being trafficked. It maybe it is their parents, their parents are in the uk and they have been able to this type of money, but it is far more likely this is connected to organised crime in one way or another, and these children are being trafficked here for improper purposes. Kent county council says the increase in Child Migrants is having a Significant Impact. The home office says it ta kes impact. The home office says it takes the welfare of unaccompanied children very seriously and is providing funding to local authorities, including kent. Last year, ballerina Rachel Hernon from manchester got her big break. She joined the moscow city ballet to star in swan lake and the Sleeping Beauty. Her tour was interrupted by the pandemic and rachel has been unable to perform. But shes still making sure she gets her practice in, in her dads garage. Stuart flinders has more. Drum roll. Rachel hernon, the swan queen, it doesnt get much better than this. Shes in Sleeping Beauty and the nutcracker, too. But her tour with moscow city ballet was halted by the virus, now shes back home in dukinfield, stuck inside. Where would you rather be stranded . Moscow or dukinfield . Dukinfield because i have my father here. Even making a brew is a bit of a song and dance. After all, rachel is a performer. Im always breaking into a dance, whether its ballet or doing something really weird and getting caught in the act. Its just who i am. Rachels quite happy to improvise, the neighbours dont bat an eyelid. But she needed her own dance workshop. Before you came, ijust stretched for an hour, which is what i do. So thats one hour a day. A bar would usually take me another hour or an hour and a half because im a barfanatic. Her workshop is in fact, her dads garage. You dont think you get in the way . No, he comes in and out and he knows what time im usually going to be there. Hes been great with it. Rachel is used to a bit more space back in russia, even when she is putting herfeet up. But in return for the use of the garage, she is helping with the daily chores. Rachels never really stopped dancing. When the stage calls her back, shell be ready. Applause. And a round of applause from us. Now its time for a look at the weather with stav danaos. Hello there, it is turning warmer and sunnier right across the board as we reach wednesday. This is where we can see the highest temperatures of the year so far, then there is a chance of showers and thunderstorms on thursday, and then it turns cooler and windier to end the week as low pressure sweeps in. Now, after a fine day for many areas, it looks like the rain will become confined to the Northern Isles overnight, elsewhere variable cloud, clear spells, another very mild night. Temperatures in double figures for most of us. High pressure really builds in across the uk for wednesday, draws up this warm airfrom spain and france, right across the uk. We start wet for shetland. The rain clears here and then most places will see a sunny, very warm day, a little bit of low cloud and mace affecting them other cloud and murk affecting them other than coastal areas. Very warm temperatures, low 20s celsius across scotland, mid 20s in england as well, we could see highs of 27 or 28 in the southeast. For thursday, another warm day in the south, increased chance of thunderstorms, than it is cooler, windier with some showers on friday. Hello, good afternoon, this is bbc news building up to the briefing at downing street. More than 11,000 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the uk since the start of the pandemic, thats a quarter of all virus related deaths. To protect our care homes from this appalling virus. The number of people claiming unemployment benefit soared to 2. 1 million during the first few weeks of the lockdown. The chancellor has beeen questioned about the wider impact of the lockdown on the economy. It is not obvious that there will be an immediate bounce back. It takes time for people to get back to their habits that they had