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Back to westminster. As weve been reporting, its another day that could be described as historic at westminster with mps voting on that main motion on the brexit bill, the motion to trigger article 50. After this the legislation heads to the House Of Lords. Most of the amendments to the motion have been comfortably defeated by The Government. We are hearing, because of the Labour Rebellion in the sol last week, we are expecting another Labour Rebellion tonight, clive lewis has resigned. He was talking earlier on about the difficulty of his decision, whether or not to vote for this European Union bill that would begin the formal process of britain leaving the European Union. That is clive lewis there. He was saying how difficult this decision is and hinting he might pass to vote against the bill, therefore inevitably leaving the Shadow Chapman Shadow Cabinet, because that would be defying the leadership of the labour party, the three line whip. Other members of the Shadow Cabinet went last week and he has joined them. Breaking news, eleanor, just before the actual vote on this bill. Clive lewis, that will be a Blow Forjeremy Corbyn to lose him. It will. We got word of exactly what clive lewis has said. He said it was with the heavy heart that he decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet. It said only became an mp he promised his constituency would be norwichs voice in westminster, Not Westminsters voice in norwich city said he did not in good Conscience Vote for something that he believes will ultimately harm the city he represents, not some calls home. Jeremy corbyn has said he would like to thank clive for all his hard work and says he understands the difficulties mps Understanding Represents mps have you represent those who voted to remain have in voting for this bill. Jeremy corbyn when he was a backbencher was one of the most rebellious labour mps. He says that the labour party respects the outcome of the Eu Referendum and thatis the outcome of the Eu Referendum and that is why he has asked all labour mps to vote for this bill. We know that three Shadow Cabinet members resigned last week over the very same issue, all saying it was an extremely tough call. Clive lewis had been trying to decide for some time. There was speculation this evening when he was voting with the birds during those amendments we had in the last 90 minutes or so, there was speculation he might not resign after all. In the minutes before the final votes in the House Of Commons, news has come through the clive lewis has decided to resign as Shadow Business Secretary. He will have to return to the backbenches. The question Forjeremy Corbyn is who will replace clive lewis, and the other three Shadow Cabinet members, and what will happen to clive in the future . How long will he be forced to stay on the backbenches. Will it be a long term punishment or could we see him back in the Shadow Cabinet in the next couple of months . Who knows . That is one of the many subplots of what is going on this evening. Mps are now voting on the eu bill, the builder would give The Government the power to begin the Brexit Process formally. The mps are voting right now. That is the eu notification of withdrawal bill, its formal title. It isa withdrawal bill, its formal title. It is a very short bill. There have been lots of attempts to amend the bill, but they have all been easily beaten by The Government. We expect the results in about ten minutes. It will edge the United Kingdom that bit closer to brexit because it will give theresa may the power to begin the Brexit Process. It will go to the Brexit Process. It will go to the House Of Lords after the 20th of february. Most observers believe it will be very difficult for the unelected lords to try to block or amend this bill when it has gone through the House Of Commons clean, as they say, so unamended. Lets give you a taste of the debate there has been this afternoon well, the conservative mp john redwood tried to allay fears tried to allay fears in the House Of Commons debate on brexit this afternoon that the decision to leave the eu would be bad for the uk and sour relations with our european neighbours. Of course we wish to preserve the peace in northern ireland, of course we wish to have excellent Trading Arrangements with the European Union for goods and Services Free of tariff, of course we wish to have lots of cooperative activities with eu Member States and institutions in education, research and science and so education, research and science and so forth, and of course we wish to maintain the important rights and Legal Protections which are in european law. As i understand that The Government has made it Crystal Clear in the white paper and in many state m e nts clear in the white paper and in many statements and answers to debates from the front bench that all of those things are fundamental to the dashed to the Negotiating Games of The Government. The labour mp and former european minister caroline flint, backed her leader, jeremy corbyn, last week in a vote to trigger brexit. Today, she told fellow mps that the outcome is likely to not be as bad as both extremes in last years referendum feared. Iam i am determined that this house will respect the referendum might come and see the best for my constituents from our new relationship. Some in the Prime Ministers cabinet talk about that brexit will only be about prosperity, some people who voted remain will be like coming off a cliff. The reality will be something in between. After a long and sometimes difficult marriage we are getting a divorce. During this process we need to leave behind some of the false promises and distortions of the campaign. Dramatic false claims only damage trust. Joanna cherry, for the snp, told the House Of Commons this afternoon that a second referendum in scotland could be triggered if teresa may failed to treated scotland fairly over brexit. Make no mistake, members of this house should make no mistake that we will expect the Prime Minister to deliver on that promise. We will expect to have our position is just as gibraltar wants its position put forward in the article 50 letter and if that doesnt have the Prime Minister breaks promise, then we will hold another Independence Referendum and on the back of the herald things are looking pretty good at that for that at the moment. We are at almost 50 and not a single word has been altered on the campaign for a single word has been altered on the Campaignfora A Single word has been altered on the campaign for a second referendum. Voting underway not on the builder would empower theresa may to begin the Brexit Process. Our correspondent Eleanor Garnier is in the lobby there at the Houses Of Parliament. Everyone predicting a comfortable majority for The Government. In a sense i suppose it is the indication of the state of the labour party that we are looking more to the labour party to see how many of the mps rebelled againstjeremy corbyn. We have heard about clive lewis already stepping down from the Shadow Cabinet. Remember that theresa may did want article 50 to be triggered, and that to be debated on in the house is of commons and lords. It turns out she has got it through pretty easily. It looks like the bill will now go through com pletely the bill will now go through completely unamended as a clean bill through to the House Of Lords. That really m ea ns through to the House Of Lords. That really means that the House Of Lords will not have the license to start fiddling with the bill and putting their own changes to it. It looks i get has got through the Houses Of Parliament pretty easily. The bigger problem for theresa may is when she goes to negotiate with the other eu leaders, the other 27 eu leaders and the officials in the European Union. We are turning to labour once again who seem to be the more divided party over this. The resignation of clive lewis, the Shadow Business Secretary, someone we knew he was finding the decision very difficult. He said only this morning he had not made up as mine. Just minutes before the final vote a statement through from him saying that it was with a very heavy heart that he had decided to defy the will Ofjeremy Corbyn and go against labour and that he would not be voting for article 50 to be triggered. Three other Shadow Cabinet members had already resigned over the same issue. Jeremy corbyn has to decide who he is going to replace them with. That should happen in the coming days. Theresa may has not had it all her own way. She was forced to have fizzled in the house by the supreme court, forced to publish a white paper on brexit and spell out more details as well. Yesterday, we heard that she had made what was billed as a concession, although that has been disputed by some, in which mps will vote again on the draft negotiation settlement, if there is one, that she reaches with eu leaders. Yes, and some disquiet about what had appeared to be a big concession in the House Of Commons, when it actually came to the vote, some disquiet in the lobby has mps were voting that mps would not be able to have a real grip on that final vote as they had hoped. This is a significant moment this evening because theresa may looks like she will be getting this boat through, this bill through the House Of Commons unamended. When we look back at the trouble she had when she was trying to not have the school through the House Of Commons and House Of Lords at all, we were expecting bigger rebellions. It seems like most of the rebels have fallen into line and this has not been as difficult as we had expected for theresa may. Im just looking dying to see. We have not had the result gets on the final vote. Theresa may, she may have got this through the House Of Commons. It has to go to the House Of Lords as well, but i would suggest the bigger battle for theresa may will be when she starts to formal negotiations in brussels with the other 27 Member States. That will be two years of tough negotiations. We knew she will be able, orwe tough negotiations. We knew she will be able, or we think she will be able to trigger article 50 within her own timetable, that timetable she said, so before the end of march. That is when things will get tough. Talking to mps as they have been passing by our series in the central lobby, many of them saying that this might have gone her way, but the real hard work will begin when she starts talking in a formal way to the other european leaders. Just a word about what happens, assuming it does go through the commons in the next few minutes, but Thenit Commons in the next few minutes, but then it goes to the House Of Lords after the 20th of february. There are plenty of peers who want to stay in the European Union and hate the idea of brexit, they will have a hard time trying to change or amend this bill in the House Of Lords when it got through the commons clean and the people voted in the referendum to leave the European Union. There isa to leave the European Union. There is a bit ofa to leave the European Union. There is a bit of a gap because next week is a bit of a gap because next week is half term if you lie for mps here. After that, it will go to the House Of Lords whether it will go through a similar process of scrutiny, where lords and peers will have a chance to put down amendments if they choose to get into the details of the bill. The fact that theresa may seems to have got this through the House Of Commons unamended, many people think that the House Of Lords will then not have the license to make changes and fiddle around with the bill. That means it will have got through parliament unscathed. We know that theresa may wants to trickle trigger article 50 before the end of march. If things continue as they look like they are going to do tonight, she will be able to do that within her timetable. We are looking at the chamber, filling up again. This rather archaic system, maybe you could talk us through that, where mps file into different lobbies, it is different to other parliaments Around The World were they might vote electronically. Mps had to physically go into the House Of Commons to make the vote. They need to pass through the lobbies, either aye or nay. We have had so many votes on these different amendments. They have been going out, into the lobby back in again, then it all Sta Rts Lobby back in again, then it all starts all over again. Quite a contrast to the electronic voting we see in other parliaments Around The World. They will be filing back into the House Of Commons for this final vote. This is the main focus. Mps have been debating over the last few days on the amendments, the changes that mps want to make to the bill. They have been able to debate those changes and tried to persuade The Government and mps across the house that the changes they wanted or the right changes. We have had all of those amendments voted on this evening. No changes have been made to this brexit bill in the House Of Commons. After you finish with all of these debates, then there is an overarching vote on the whole bill in the House Of Commons. That is the final vote. That happened in the last 15 minutes or so. We now have recess, so parliament is on half term if you like next week, and after everyone is back from recess, the bill will go to the House Of Lords, where it will go through a similar process is will be chances for peers to put down amendments, chances for scrutiny. There will be votes in the House Of Lords, too, and providing the bill goes through the House Of Lords without any changes being voted through, then it will go for royal assent, so is the queen signs on the dotted line, if you like. Then the Prime Minister can go to the European Union and tell them she is triggering article 50. That means the formal negotiations for the Divorce Talks can negotiations for the divorce Talks Ca N Start Negotiations for the Divorce Talks can start and that triggers a two year process. The government then has two years to negotiate the deal it wants to get with the European Union. Theresa may says she wa nts to European Union. Theresa may says she wants to also negotiate a trade deal at the same time. The ayes to the right 494, the noes to the left, 122. The ayes habit, the ayes have it thank you. Thanks, everybody. There you are, as expected, very comfortable, abbot of laughter in the house. No great surprises, a comfortable majority for The Governments, Forgeries May and clearly a step closer for the United Kingdom to formally leave the European Union. After three days of debates, three days of amendments, none of which got through, The Government have got their way and the European Union Bill Notification of withdrawal goes through and it will then next go to the House Of Lords later on this month. Eleanor, no surprises. No surprises and a huge majority majority for The Government, i think it was 372. It will now move onto the house lords. Iamjoined by will now move onto the house lords. I am joined by one of the conservative mps who rebelled, neil carmichael. No surprises but you must be disappointed. Obviously, it isa must be disappointed. Obviously, it is a big majority, the same roughly as it was when we first started this la st as it was when we first started this last week. I didnt rebel yesterday, i ended last week. I didnt rebel yesterday, Iended Up Last week. I didnt rebel yesterday, i ended up being part of the group that got the confession so to speak about what might the role of parliament be beyond now and ahead of any final arrangements. What did you hope to have achieved over all of those amendments and debates when really it is only going to go one way. I always thought it was wrong not to bring article 50 to parliament in the first place because i thought we should all vote for it anyway because this is the parliament that respects the people and the people said they want to leave the European Union. It is more thanjust that, leave the European Union. It is more than just that, it leave the European Union. It is more thanjust that, it is getting the detail right. In the next couple of years when there are Big Decisions to be made, there will be lots happening not only just to be made, there will be lots happening not onlyjust here but in europe and beyond. We have to be able to comment on and decide about the key issues. Ultimately, the nature of the deal, but quality of the deal, will be of great importance to our people in the future. Parliament must have a say about it. How worried are you that some of the people who wanted to remain, worrying about hard brexit, theresa may night has a clean run at it. If a hard brexit means the world trade organisation, then we will find herself in a difficult situation because we need to make new arrangements with other countries and they will be subject toa countries and they will be subject to a kind of court as well because thatis to a kind of court as well because that is one of the things that have been so annoying for brexiteers. It is notjust tariffs, but been so annoying for brexiteers. It is not just tariffs, but they will bea is not just tariffs, but they will be a problem through the wto, it is those other barriers, those protectionist barriers that do exist. I think we will be faced with some interesting challenges trying to get a Free Trade Agreement with europe and also the United States because i think we will end up with a different kind of agreement with each of those trading blocs. Iain duncan smith is also here. You are one of the named leave campaigners. A huge majority. It was a huge majority and a good debate and a lot of people in a report that debate was all about without having time limits put essence, the House Of Commons has delivered on the publics feud, which is that they voted to leave, so you need to trigger article 50 and that is what will happen. The rest is about negotiation, which once we trigger article 50 of the Prime Minister has to try to get us the best deal. I said in one of the debates, we all worry about this, bad and the other, but the truth is that the European Union will have to decide what is in the best interests and we decide what is in ours, and we look for that overlapping common interest. There are lots of common areas where we need to come to terms with your friends, allies, europeans. We still wa nt friends, allies, europeans. We still want to trade, cooperate, help them with defence. Ed says he was saying he is so annoyed by these brexiteers who keep saying it will be so easy. Isnt it the case that the reason may has got through the House Of Commons, but the real tough work will be in negotiating with the other 27 Member States. Of course. Nobody says that will be easy. No negotiation is easy. Although ed vaizey said about negotiating, i spent a lot of time in business because he given. I am spent a lot of time in business because he given. Lam not spent a lot of time in business because he given. I am not saying it is easy, but in reality there is no other way. What is the case is what do european think is in the good interests and what do we think is in ours . We need to make those matchup. Thank you both very much for joining matchup. Thank you both very much forjoining us. Well, it has got to the House Of Commons unscathed and will now go through to the House Of Lords. I have got lots of mps to talk to, very esteemed company. Might get from the labour party who voted against the bill tonight, rebelled that we like. Tim farron, the Liberal Democrat leader. We also have barry gardner, the labour shadow trade secretary, and quasi parting, the conservative mp. Why did you vote against your party three line whip . Because i am voting on what i regard as the National Interest and the interests of my constituents. This decision today put us on an escalator which we would be able to get off for an automatic leaving of the European Union in two years, whether or not we getan union in two years, whether or not we get an agreement. Frankly, The Government did not accept any of the amendments which would have Given Parliament a greater say and given Us Parliament a greater say and given us questions to deal with relating to Common Security policy, the rights of eu nationals in this country. The british people put us on the escalator. They voted to leave the European Union, not the customs union, the Single Market ought to make people more pure. The decision we have taken today risks and economic and political disaster. Diane abbott voted for the bill. There was a lot of speculation. That is irrelevant. I am not interested in personalities, this is about whether you believe this is the right decision for our country, and i dont. Tim farron, you voted against the bill. I think parliament voted for a stitch up. The british people give permission for The Government to negotiate brexit, it did not give theresa may the right to make a very arbitrary choice to go for exiting the Single Market, accustomed union and the other side of the heart of europe. It seems that you dont give the british people the right to have a say in the end, thank you allowed to be asked stitch up, perhaps 80 of the people in britain will be dissatisfied with what gets imposed on them. Some people would say that people have decided. They give permission for the Prime Minister to negotiate brexit. What we need to remember is that this was not The Government enacting the will of the people. If youre being generous they are interpreting the will of they are interpreting the will of the people, but maybe even twisting it to something that even nigel farage did not want. Tonight theresa may has made nigel farage looked like a moderate tonight and she has divided the country. What happened to labour party disciplined . More than 50 Labour Party Mps voted against the three line whip. Than 50 Labour Party Mps voted against the three line whiplj than 50 Labour Party Mps voted against the three line whip. I think the country has embarked on a course tonight that will make us more pure, make us more divided and will ultimately make us less kind to one another. The only salvation that i can find in those voting for this tonight is that what we did do as parliamentarians is say that democracy trumps all. That is really significant for me. It is significant for me. It is significant for me. It is significant for my party because we as social democrats. I sometimes think that tim has forgotten the second word in his partys name. We wont give up. The battle starts now in every piece of the hundreds of pieces of legislation that The Government will have to bring before parliament to carry out its deregulatory agenda, and we will oppose them every step of the way. I regret that we have had this way in which The Government has railroaded through, they have accepted no amendments the matter how sensible or how much they conformed with what the Prime Minister had promised in her speech. That means if she doesnt allow it to be voted on in parliament how sure can we be of those promises . We cant. You look like a happy man. It is sad to hear the whining and trimming. There was an election on the 23rd. 52 voted out. Three of the four panellists here voted in, so they have the particular axe to grind. The only way we could leave the eu was by voting to trigger article 50 and thatis voting to trigger article 50 and that is what parliament did tonight ona that is what parliament did tonight on a majority of four one. If the majority of people when asked in a referendum voted to leave the eu and the only way you can do that is by trigger an article 50, it is very much the responsibility of parliament to vote for the triggering of article 50 as it did tonight. We had nine or ten votes, lots of debate, and im afraid to people who wanted to make amendments, those amendments were rejected because it was clearly the case that the amendments were made to frustrate the process, that was the feeling. Not at all. Those amendments were made to make sure that parliament had a reasonable say in the whole of the rest of this process to make sure that The Government was guided and responsible to scrutiny of parliamentarians and to the wishes of the british people. You rejected all of those amendments. It didnt stop you voting for them in the end. This is not the end of the battle and we will continue to fight for british people to have their say at the end. In a democracy you respect the end. In a democracy you respect the result but you keep on fighting. Tonight we have seen four out of five mps have done something they would be ashamed to look back on. Would you like the House Of Lords to block this bill . I dont think they can. It is important that we recognise that this issue about whether article 50 can be stopped, whether article 50 can be stopped, whether we could have our votes in a meaningful time before the implementation and the agreement by the whole 27 other countries and the european parliament, and if we reject the terms that are negotiated by theresa may, parliament should be able to say go back and get better terms. Parliament should stop this, but the british people good. This ship has sailed. I think they are in denial. It was a clear mandate in june and The Government has acted. Yes, but not to leave the customs union. We have had 60 hours of debate already on these issues and im sure there will be many other debates and parliament will not be sluggish in having a say. We will have lots of debates, be on programmes like this, but the critical step to trigger article 50 has been made. Briefly, diane abbott, as i said, and the others, they voted with the front bench, withjeremy corbyn. You please . I would want all my Party Members to maintain party discipline, of course. Were you please . I absolutely respect, however, to my colleagues have behaved in this. We are a party that is incredibly representative of where the country is. The country is deeply divided. Two third of our mps represent seats that voted to leave, yet two thirds of our voters actually voted to remain. Of course there are huge principles about listening to ones constituents versus listening to the democratic will of the referendum. Mike and i have both made a principled decision and we have to respect each other. But the british people made a decision and that is the main line, surely . At the end of it, Good Government needs a good strong opposition, and they do not have it. You do not wave the white flag and give up. We have to leave it there. Gentlemen, thank you very much for speaking to us. We will return to our Political Correspondent back inside the palace of westminster. Yes, andi inside the palace of westminster. Yes, and i am joined inside the palace of westminster. Yes, and i amjoined by Ukips Douglas Carswell who is telling me he has waited 20 years for this. How significant is this moment . Hugely significant. The House Of Commons, the political establishment, has long been against the idea of leaving the eu and today they have bowed to the inevitable will the people, a clear majority, 372 mp5 voting in favour of theresa may getting on and getting the process started of getting us out. This will go to the House Of Lords. There is discussion that because it has got through without any amendments the lords really do not have a license to start fiddling about with it. Do you think they might . |j to start fiddling about with it. Do you think they might . I think it puts the House Of Lords back in their box, their sarcophagus, and it means they are not really in a position to put a spanner in the works. There are many peers in the House Of Lords, many of the diplomats who got us into this mess, instinctively side with brussels, but i think they would be on very thin ice given the size of this majority, if they try to tinker with it. Theresa may might have got this through the Houses Of Parliament, yet to get it through the House Of Lords, pretty easily, but the fact is the much tougher negotiations will be when she starts those talks, the divorce negotiations, with the other Member States. That will be much harder than winning here, will it not . Absolutely, but this is key to the success of brexit. I passionately want brexit because i wa nt passionately want brexit because i want a liberal country and a liberal brexit, so we have to avoid the grandstanding, the political posturing, the nativist instincts, and we have to offer a generous deal to the eu that works for us and for them. It has to be based on reciprocal respect, but i think we can do this and do it in a way that works for us and works for them. Lets not go down the tabloid Headline Sensationalist Route of having a dig at them. Lets give theresa may the space she needs to come up with a generous offer, and i think ina come up with a generous offer, and i think in a few months time we will see some great stuff. You mentioned it passed with a generous majority and that is the case but many mps voted against their own wishes, if you like. They voted to stay in the referendum but have no reluctantly voted to trigger those formal divorce discussions with article 50. Do you think there will be the kind of rebels, if you like . Or do you think it is a deal done and theresa may now has a free card to do what she likes . When i was a conservative and are used to try to persuade zz leadership of the party to adopt a position of leaving the eu,i party to adopt a position of leaving the eu, i was often told if they did that it would cause a schism within the party. Well, i look at what has happened to my former party this evening and they seem pretty united, with the exception of ken clarke and one or two others. I think this has created a Brexit Coalition and, you know, the ulster unionists are part of that, i am part of that, know, the ulster unionists are part of that, lam part of that, and even some labour mps of that, lam part of that, and even some labour mp5 or part of that, and it isa some labour mp5 or part of that, and it is a pretty convincing Coalition Theresa may has binder. Some things are bigger than parties and the future of our relationship with europe and getting it right, that is bigger than that theresa may has behind her. A former Front Bench Minister for behind her. A former Front Bench Ministerfor putt mac behind her. A former Front Bench Minister for putt mac labourer, you resigned in the early years. How do you feel about clive lewis this evening . I am not that worried about people resigning, because of want to represent their constituents in parliament then that is their first job. We are here because people elected us in his constituency voted overwhelmingly to remain which is why he took the action he did, the same thing i did. Ive a constituency here in westminster, Not Westminster in my constituency. Do you Thinkjeremy Corbyn should have made it a free vote . |j do you Thinkjeremy Corbyn should have made it a free vote . I would have made it a free vote . I would have liked a free vote, but thank god i am not labour leader, so he has probably made the decision in the interest of the party as a whole and the referendum result. 75 of my constituency voted to stay in the eu andi constituency voted to stay in the eu and i felt i constituency voted to stay in the eu and ifelt i had to respect constituency voted to stay in the eu and i felt i had to respect that and reflect their views in parliament. You say you have to respect the will of your constituents. But what about the will of the country . This was about taking back control, what we heard over and over again about the referendum. If i do not let my constituents ta ke back control what is the point of me representing them here in westminster . You said, you know, you do not feel anything for clive lewis, but theresa may did not really what this to end up in the House Of Commons and House Of Lords at all yet she seems to have got this through pretty easily, and we are this through pretty easily, and we a re left this through pretty easily, and we are left speaking again about labour are left speaking again about labour are being divided. How has it come to this, that labour is divided once ain . To this, that labour is divided once again . I am not bothered about which party is united and divided on this. Brexit is a bigger issue than party politics. Some things are bigger. This is about the nations interest. Something i will be holding The Government to account on in the next few years, which we should have known about, protection of eu nationals, environmental protections, womens rights, the Single Market, and i have to see us come up with the details about. So for the Prime Minister has avoided any kind of scrutiny or transparency. As you said she did not even want the vote to come to the house, she was forced into giving it and i think that was disgraceful. We are parliamentarians and we have a right to make decisions and see the details of decisions and see the details of decisions that will affect future generations. You said one of the key things you are concerned about is reciprocal rights of eu nationals. How disappointed were you that that amendment did not pass this evening . Incredibly disappointed. 17,000 people just in my constituency are eu nationals and they have no idea about what will happen to their lives. Whether they can stay here or not and they are part of the fabric, they have lived here all their lives and this is their home. What is happening to them . The Prime Minister is using them as Bargaining Minister is usin them as bar ajninq, they wafer . the came them. ; majority for , ; majority for the, ; majo as house , § maio i5e house of f iii. Ii bill will now co to the this brexit bill will now go to the House Of Lords where we think it will also pass pretty easily. Studio eleanor, thank you very much indeed, eleanor. Lets give you the mathematics on that once again. In favour of the European Union bill that empowers The Government to begin the formal Brexit Process, 494 in favour, 122 against. A massive majority of 372 for theresa mays government. It is interesting that all the Labour Rebellion, the labour vote against that bill, and also against the advice of the three line whip of the Party Leadership and jeremy corbyn, last week that rebellion against mr corbyn was 47, and tonight it was 52, so more labour mps voting against the bill and against the Party Leadership than last week. We are just hearing also that diane abbott was voting with the Party Leadership on that, but clive lewis voting against, and he has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet this evening. That is the latest from westminster. Back to you in the studio, clive. Ben, many thanks for that. Ben brown then, and Eleanor Ghani at westminster as of britain leaving the eu has cleared the commons after mps backed it with a majority of 372. The Shadow Business Secretary clive lewis has resigned from labours front bench the mp for Norwich South said he couldnt back the brexit bill, defying the leaderjeremy corbyn. The bbc has uncovered fresh evidence of the length of time some patients remain in Hospital Waiting to be discharged, often because of a lack of suitable home or nursing care. The government has denied claims its struck a special deal with the conservative Surrey County council, leading to the cancellation of a referendum on raising Council Taxes to fund social care. Tara Palmer Tomkinson socialite and friend of the royal family has died aged 45. Back to the problems now with the nhs. The bbc has uncovered fresh evidence of the length of time some medically fit patients have to remain in hospital, unable to go back to their own communities because of a lack of support. Half of acute hospitals in england responded to a Freedom Of Information Request for details of their five longest delays in discharging patients over the last three years. 130 people spent 100 days or more waiting to leave hospital, often because of a lack of suitable home or nursing care. The longest delay was actually 449 days for a patient in mid yorkshire. No reason was given why the discharge took so long. And today a report by The Governments Spending Watchdog has warned that efforts to ease pressure on the nhs by better integrating Health And Social Care arent working. Ministers, however, say its too soon to draw conclusions. Our social affairs correspondent, alison holt, has been looking at the situation in North Yorkshire. This is the road back to some sort of independence i felt terrible. 5531§he§e§ehi§§ew h 7 i wasnt eating and it took me all my time to drink the danger was she would be stuck in an expensive Hospital Bed Waiting for the care she needed to cope at home. I was isolated in a little room all by myself. I was very down. You know . I thought im never going to come out of here. But she was moved to this special flat with care on hand, without it she could have been in hospital for another fortnight. It is one way North Yorkshire county council and the nhs locally are working together to ease pressures. Ifeel as if they are helping me to get my strength back. And i do feel better for it. I mean, iam never lonely. But North Yorkshire is a large rural county with an ageing population. Despite investing in new Services Like many authorities highlighted in todays National Audit office report, the council is struggling with the sheer demand for care. And delays in getting people out of hospital have increased. At Harrogate Hospital it is social worker carol burdon who has to organise the Community Support needed. At the moment its very busy. There is a drive to get them out as soon as possible, but then you have to do that liaising with families, any Community Nurses or anyone that needs to be involved in that discharge, it can be quite hard to coordinate that care and find the care. The ambitions of the council plan or all about Better Outcomes for all North Yorkshire residents despite reductions in local government funding. It is North Yorkshire councillors and officials who have to find the money to pay for a lot of that care. They are raising council tax, but this Conservative Run Authority is adamant a long Term Solution has to be found. I am too greatly disappointed that The Government hasnt seen fit to provide genuinely new money when it is so desperately needed. Seven years ago this council spent about a third of its budget on providing care and support for people who are older and disabled. But now the cost of Adult Social Care is heading towards half of its budget, with demand still increasing. And that is at the heart of the problems they are wrestling with today. We will continue to plan ahead for the future. We will continue to prioritise social care. You have seen, we have done that. Social care is a much bigger proportion of our budget. But it is probably the most worrying time in social care that i have ever known in 20 years. And at each stage the care system is showing signs of the pressure. We will continue to plan ahead for the future. We will continue to prioritise social care. You have seen, we have done that. Social care is a much bigger proportion of our budget. But it is probably the most worrying time in social care that i have ever known in 20 years. And of course we have got this evenings handover at 7 15pm. At this harrogate Home Care Provider they are arranging support for new council funded clients. But on the wages they are able to pay it can be a struggle to compete with supermarkets for staff. You are driving from place to place, youre in your own vehicle, and it is easier to be in one place. Now, that might be a nursing home or it might be a supermarket. It is hard to compete with that. And i think the only thing, you know, carers are not paid enough, you know, for the service that they delivered daily. You know, they work long hours. Hi, jenny, its sue. How are you doing . And people like 62 year old jenny dent rely on those care workers. She is partially paralysed with other complex conditions. The four visits she gets each day means she can remain at home. Vital support which she says needs recognising. Value your carers, give them more money, give them more respect and provide more carers and adequate care for people who want to live in their own home. The government insists people are benefiting from health and Care Services working together and that more money is being invested. But change takes time, and for those on the front line the pressure is here now. Of the royal family, has been found dead in her west london home. The 45 year old celebrity, who rose to fame in the 90s, was diagnosed with a brain tumour last year. Prince charles said he was Deeply Saddened by the news. Rebecca jones looks back at her life. Tara Palmer Tomkinson seemed to have it all. Money, looks, and friends in high places. Here she is at the wedding of the duke and duchess of cambridge. She went on holiday with the royal family. Today Prince Charles said he was Deeply Saddened by the news of her death. She became a regular fixture on catwalks, red carpets, in Gossip Columns and on magazine front covers. Known as an it girl, in 2002 she appeared on the Reality Television show im a celebrity. Get me out of here, where she played up her party image. Spending £400 a day on the drug. On the same programme she spoke about her habit also, in the last weeks of my using it literally was over the loo, you know. 0h, dont. No, but im just saying, it was to the most sordid you can have, as a junkie. She finished second on the show and went on to appear on other programmes including celebrity mastermind. Im more a had it girljm sum after being diagnosed lastjanuary with a brain tumour, public appearances like this one became less frequent. Im not the person i was, she said. The party world scares me. Tara Palmer Tomkinson, who died at the age of 45. On the line is wendy holden, who ghost wrote tara Palmer Tomkinsons column in the sunday times in the late 1990s. Wendy, thanks for churning us on bbc news. What are your abiding memories of tara . She was really funny, a lot funnier than people give her credit for. She could also laugh at herself. We did have a few problems to start with with the column because the original idea was that she would write it and i would just tweet, but it became apparent it would be a lot easier if ijust basically made it up and showed it to her, and that way, between us, we invented this persona which is basically her having her fabulous life but also having a really rubbish love life, and that meant people reading the column could identify with her and all of the fabulousness, glamour and glitter, it wasnt too impossible to get your head round because you thought, oh, she has all that but she cannot get a man, so that is how it worked and it was very successful, and actually not very far away from the truth. Indeed. You speak about this fabulous life, the wealth and so on and so forth, because she was very frank, and we saw the clip of her on the itv programme, very frank about the itv programme, very frank about the demons in her life particularly . Yes, of course when i was writing the column, those demons had not quite emerged in the full glare of daylight, so i was slightly wondering quite what on earth was going on sometimes, and of course i t 43255 going on sometimes, and of course i t 4325 did going on sometimes, and of course i ii 4325 did not realise b hit , problem , , hit , problem was, did hit , problem was, did explain problem was, did explain a oblem was,

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