sustained you throughout your life? i sustained you throughout your life? ~' sustained you throughout your life? ~ ., , sustained you throughout your life? ~ . , ., life? i think that is part of ou life? i think that is part of you just — life? i think that is part of you just love _ life? i think that is part of you just love what - life? i think that is part of you just love what you - life? i think that is part of you just love what you do | life? i think that is part of - you just love what you do and i'd just love to hit the ball. it is magical. d0 i'd just love to hit the ball. it is magical.— it is magical. do you still -la ? it is magical. do you still play? my _ it is magical. do you still play? my wife _ it is magical. do you still play? my wife just - it is magical. do you still play? my wife just got i it is magical. do you stilll play? my wife just got me play? my wife 'ust got me started during_ play? my wife just got me started during covid, - play? my wife just got me started during covid, we | started during covid, we started during covid, we started hitting, because i have had so many knee operations but i am hitting the ball now. i call it hitting, not playing. you are one of the most famous female sports stars of the 20th century. female sports stars of the 20th centu . ., ., , ., ~ century. 0k. how and why making the world a _ century. 0k. how and why making the world a better _ century. 0k. how and why making the world a better place, - century. 0k. how and why making the world a better place, is - the world a better place, is more important. so, it's like... you honestly think a wouldn't have won more titles if they didn't want to change the game and change the world? i would have won a lot more titles so when they put up my titles so when they put up my titles they just go, titles so when they put up my titles theyjust go, 0k. it's off the court that matters. you play on the court to help off the court. this gave me a platform, that is a beautiful stage out there. very few people ever have the opportunity. people ever have the opportunity-- people ever have the opportunity. people ever have the ouortuni . . opportunity. that was the epiphany _ opportunity. that was the epiphany you _ opportunity. that was the epiphany you had - opportunity. that was the epiphany you had at - opportunity. that was the epiphany you had at the l opportunity. that was the i epiphany you had at the club and you were 12 and a body with white. , ., ., , ., white. everyone was white and the said white. everyone was white and they said where _ white. everyone was white and they said where is _ white. everyone was white and they said where is everybody l they said where is everybody else? and a promised myself i would fight for equality the rest of my life. now we can add inclusion and everything else, but whereas anybody else, there was only white people in my life. , , , life. they survived the first world war. _ life. they survived the first world war, they _ life. they survived the first world war, they went - life. they survived the first i world war, they went through the depression. father was a fireman, your mother was what they called a homemaker back in they called a homemaker back in the day. they called a homemaker back in the da . �* , ., ~' the day. and then she worked, thou~h. the day. and then she worked, though- she — the day. and then she worked, though. she worked _ the day. and then she worked, though. she worked at - the day. and then she worked, though. she worked at avon. l the day. and then she worked, | though. she worked at avon. it was a blue-collar— though. she worked at avon. it was a blue-collar family. i though. she worked at avon. it was a blue-collar family. long | was a blue—collarfamily. long beach, california. can i ask you, frankly, have you struggled over the course of your remarkable career with tennis's stuffy image and the fact that a lot of people have a sense that tennis is quite an elitist sport? in a sense that tennis is quite an elitist sport?— elitist sport? in the united states it — elitist sport? in the united states it really _ elitist sport? in the united states it really isn't, i elitist sport? in the united states it really isn't, it's i states it really isn't, it's country by country. most people play tennis and america at at park and wreck like i did and my brother did too and became a professional baseball player and if we hadn't had free access to parks and coaching, somebody has got to get you organised, somebody has got to teach you how to throw or serve or whatever. so i don't know if people realise that, we have everything. and i think it is very important for inclusion these rich people do, though. when you say inclusion that doesn't mean you get rid of the rich and then have everybody else. we know, it is all of us and that is what makes us put great. we have rich kids, we have pockets, we have blue—collar, we have professional parents, it doesn't matter. the great thing about sport as it doesn't matter where you come. you can be ugly, you can be beautiful, whatever you can be quick, slow, whatever. you got a chance to prove out there who you are. i chance to prove out there who ou are. ., ., i. you are. i want to get your take on — you are. i want to get your take on some _ you are. i want to get your. take on some contemporary questions you've been outspoken about. we are at wimbledon and the big issue ever wimbledon has been what to do with russian and belarusian players. what did you make of the decision to not let russian and belarusian players come and compete this year? i belarusian players come and compete this year?— compete this year? i think it is really a — compete this year? i think it is really a difficult, - is really a difficult, difficult challenge. i know that wimbledon got a lot of pressure from the government to do it which is always... and this is a private club, it is not a public club. but we started the wto, the women's tennis association so that, the first thing we said what we would do is why we had this stream, this vision, of equality —— wta. that any girl born in this world, if she is good enough, will have a place to compete. so because of that philosophy, i'llalways to compete. so because of that philosophy, i'll always want every player to be able to compete, no matter the religion, no matter their race, no matter what. i respect wimbledon, but for me personally, i would want every player to be able to play. 1 player to be able to play. i guess their argument is as a game, as an international sport, you have some beverage and want to take a stand. you spend your life taking a stand. we do have a platform. it spend your life taking a stand. we do have a platform. it about usina we do have a platform. it about using that _ we do have a platform. it about using that platform _ we do have a platform. it about using that platform to _ we do have a platform. it about using that platform to say i we do have a platform. it about using that platform to say that i using that platform to say that if russian and belarusian plays can't come here, that's a way of tennis taking a stand on this appalling, as wimbledon sees it, this illegal invasion of ukraine. 1 sees it, this illegal invasion of ukraine.— sees it, this illegal invasion of ukraine. i don't think the club had — of ukraine. i don't think the club had a _ of ukraine. i don't think the club had a choice, - of ukraine. i don't think the club had a choice, in - of ukraine. i don't think the club had a choice, in a i of ukraine. i don't think the club had a choice, in a lot i of ukraine. i don't think the | club had a choice, in a lot of ways. there was a lot of public pressure. ways. there was a lot of public pressure-— pressure. one of the biggest areas where _ pressure. one of the biggest areas where sport _ pressure. one of the biggest areas where sport and i pressure. one of the biggestl areas where sport and politics exist is money and equal pay and the fight to which much of your life has been devoted. what was the kind of opposition you came across as recently as the late 1960s and early 1970s when you said women should have their own union and professional tour? their own union and rofessionaltour? 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" i: ., ., ,., money. in 1970, a group of renegade _ money. in 1970, a group of renegade players _ money. in 1970, a group of renegade players known i money. in 1970, a group of renegade players known asi money. in 1970, a group of- renegade players known as the original nine each signed $1 contract with promoter gladys hellman. to create their own independent professional women's tennis circuit of eight tournaments. the group of australian and american women risked their careers to protest at the wide inequality between male and female prize—money. he threatened to boycott tournaments, you said we're not going to play unless we get an equal share. going to play unless we get an equalshare. can going to play unless we get an equal share. can you just tell us bit about why and how you started the women's professional tour? started the women's rofessionaltour? ., " g. professional tour? from 1968, women's protein _ professional tour? from 1968, women's protein 1970, - professional tour? from 1968, women's protein 1970, when l women's protein 1970, when owned every tournament, so they started giving us less orjust dropping the women. and giving them and all the money. and that was not fun to live through. that's a lot to wake up through. that's a lot to wake up every morning with that culture. around you all the time. and no—one likes to be a second—class citizen. the most important thing in women's tennis is the original nine, thatis tennis is the original nine, that is the one moment in time it was the most important thing that ever happened. that is the birth of women's professional tennis. ,, , tennis. the us tennis association _ tennis. the us tennis association banned i tennis. the us tennis l association banned the tennis. the us tennis - association banned the original nine from its tournaments. the women persisted with their own circuit. applause. by the end of theirfirst year, circuit. applause. by the end of their first year, it had a0 members. the original nine went on to create the women's tennis association or wta in 1973. with billiejean king as its first president. with billie jean king as its first president.— first president. the press labelled _ first president. the press labelled us, _ first president. the press labelled us, you - first president. the press labelled us, you know, . first president. the press - labelled us, you know, women's lib and i thought it was funny, i did not even think about it. all i knew was i felt tennis wasn't right. we are part of women's live in that we have done something and we have created an opportunity for women of all ages to at least try to make it —— women's lib. the circuit eventually became the wta tour which now hosts over 1500 players. when australian ash barty won the wta finals in 2019, she took home the biggest cash prize in tennis history, walking away with $a million, almost double the price on the men's tour. do you know about then, did you have a feeling as you looked around, you are starting a revolution?— around, you are starting a revolution? , , revolution? yes, because you had to realise _ revolution? yes, because you had to realise the _ revolution? yes, because you had to realise the end - revolution? yes, because you had to realise the end result. had to realise the end result and once you visualise the end result, then you can, that's what i did everything, i go around thinking and thinking and i would visualise when i want something and then i go 0k, how are we going to get there, so when you see a woman player even get, like, money in a small tournament, and itf tournament, a small wta tournament, a small wta tournament, every time a girl gets a check is because of that 1970, the original nine. the oriainal 1970, the original nine. the original nine, _ 1970, the original nine. the original nine, as _ 1970, the original nine. the original nine, as you - 1970, the original nine. the original nine, as you say, started a revolution and had this incredibly important role in history and you went on to fight and eventually win the argument for equal pay. but i just, in the spirit of trying to understand the battles you fought, let me put together moment for the counter argument about equal pay. the argument that people put forward, and i read this... i that people put forward, and i read this. . ._ read this... i know, three of five. three _ read this... i know, three of five. three of _ read this... i know, three of five. three of five _ read this... i know, three of five. three of five sets i five. three of five sets and the other— five. three of five sets and the other one, _ five. three of five sets and the other one, i _ five. three of five sets and the other one, i read i five. three of five sets and the other one, i read this i five. three of five sets and | the other one, i read this in uk newspapers and international media even today, some people argue, often men, that men... chuckles. earn more because of things like meteorites. the? things like meteorites. they do. -- meteorites. - things like meteorites. they do. -- meteorites. and i things like meteorites. they i do. -- meteorites. and because they only _ do. -- meteorites. and because they only because _ do. -- meteorites. and because they only because of— do. -- meteorites. and because they only because of meteoritesi they only because of meteorites they only because of meteorites they should only money and if men are more because of meteorites, ineffective women get equal pay, that is the men's game subsidising the women's game.— men's game subsidising the women's game. men's game subsidising the women's came. ~ ., ., women's game. what do you say to that? l — women's game. what do you say to that? i say — women's game. what do you say to that? i say there _ women's game. what do you say to that? i say there is _ women's game. what do you say to that? i say there is a - women's game. what do you say to that? i say there is a lot i to that? i say there is a lot of truth to it but if you look at history and how things have evolved, it's always been about themselves. it's about men. they've always been a place of power. if we would get the same consideration as the men do, i think things would start to change. they have started to change. they have started to change. slowly but surely, women's sports is starting to get attention. women's tennis really was the first, the lg pa, women's golf was formed in 1950. you look at us, we were really in the early 70s period. but we went ahead of them like in one year. because we really promoted, we had personalities, we had celebrities. we did marketing, we did everything. but if we are given the same time, consideration, money that the men have had since the beginning of time, because they are in control and everything is always about them, men are the ones who have control and decision—making and they wanted about them. it’s decision-making and they wanted about them-— about them. it's so interesting listenin: about them. it's so interesting listening to — about them. it's so interesting listening to you, _ about them. it's so interesting listening to you, if— about them. it's so interesting listening to you, if i _ about them. it's so interesting listening to you, if i may i about them. it's so interesting listening to you, if i may say, l listening to you, if i may say, because i can see even as i put the counter argument to you, you said there is a lot of truth in it.— you said there is a lot of truth in it.- as. you said there is a lot of i truth in it.- as you truth in it. there is. as you have gone _ truth in it. there is. as you have gone through - truth in it. there is. as you have gone through your. truth in it. there is. as you| have gone through your life truth in it. there is. as you i have gone through your life as an activist, notjust the tennis player, it seems to me you have tried to understand the argument of those who are against you. the argument of those who are against you-— the argument of those who are against you.- and i the argument of those who are against you.- and try i the argument of those who are | against you.- and try to against you. always. and try to acce -t against you. always. and try to accept there — against you. always. and try to accept there may _ against you. always. and try to accept there may be _ against you. always. and try to accept there may be some i accept there may be some rectitude to your dog for their position but on this usa because of the scale of the problem in terms of women's sport and coverage and prejudice, it is worth in the short term getting a bit of that in effect cross subsidy until women are equal and get the same amount of attention yes. it's a pragmatic argument. if you look at all of the money from the beginning of time in sports, late 1800s, and all the money and you look at how they got started, the men, what kind ——we are kind of in that same position. if you have a starting line here and we're back here and we have to stop the race now? we never win, that's what happened, so we have to do that. the argument, we never said we are better than the men, ever. i keep saying you guys talk about you could beat... we have never said that. entertainment wise, i don't want anyone playing three out of five sets. two out of three is enough. specially with young people coming up. he has a concentration span of seven seconds.— has a concentration span of i seven seconds._ how seven seconds. chuckles. how are we going — seven seconds. chuckles. how are we going to _ seven seconds. chuckles. how are we going to get _ seven seconds. chuckles. how are we going to get new - seven seconds. chuckles. how are we going to get new people| are we going to get new people in the sport? everything i think about tennis or women's sport or men of export, doesn't matter. i think how can we get the new generations to want to be here? to watch it? to be a realfan? and i think we have to always have our eye on that at all times.— to always have our eye on that at all times. how do we get new generations _ at all times. how do we get new generations coming _ at all times. how do we get new generations coming in? - at all times. how do we get new generations coming in? one i at all times. how do we get new generations coming in? one of. generations coming in? one of the best examples of marketing in the history of tennis is the battle of the sexes game against bobby riggs and this was the match against this charismatic nifty five role player who had been somewhat of a hero to you and defeated as a 29—year—old in this match in houston, texas, watched by 90 million people around the world. it was a moment, wasn't it? it world. it was a moment, wasn't it? ., , world. it was a moment, wasn't it? ., , ., ., , it? it was a moment in time but ho efull it? it was a moment in time but hopefully if _ it? it was a moment in time but hopefully if i — it? it was a moment in time but hopefully if i could _ it? it was a moment in time but hopefully if i could beat - it? it was a moment in time but hopefully ifi could beat him, i hopefully if i could beat him, it would be an emotional hearts and minds shift. i love this guy and i thought he got a bad deal. like so many people did because of world war ii. so his best years, he missed out, i think five or six years within that. so, ifelt bad for think five or six years within that. so, i felt bad for him that. so, i felt bad for him that way but... that. so, i felt bad for him that way but. . ._ that. so, i felt bad for him that way but... did you win that way but... did you win that they — that way but... did you win that they achieve? - that way but... did you win that they achieve? i - that way but... did you win i that they achieve? i appreciate him. that they achieve? i appreciate him- women. _ that they achieve? i appreciate him. women, it _ that they achieve? i appreciate him. women, it gave - that they achieve? i appreciate him. women, it gave them i that they achieve? i appreciate l him. women, it gave them more self—confidence and to go for it in life. there has not been a day since that match that someone has not brought it up. not one day. and that i stay in the apartment and don't go out. every single day, someone asks me about it and president 0bama when i met him, you know, he said he was 12 years old he watched it and it did affect how he raised his daughters. that's what it did for men. men would come up to me and say they had never thought about what was going on and not really sat down and thought about their daughters, granddaughters, nieces forthe granddaughters, nieces for the first granddaughters, nieces forthe first time ever. and they said i do want them to have the same opportunities. as they brothers. and i never thought about it. do brothers. and i never thought about it. , ., about it. do you remember what the commentator _ about it. do you remember what the commentator said? - about it. do you remember what the commentator said? second l the commentator said? second the commentator said? second the original— the commentator said? second the original nine _ the commentator said? second the original nine wanted - the commentator said? second the original nine wanted was i the commentator said? second the original nine wanted was to have, to be appreciated for our accomplishments, not only our looks. and he only talked about my looks. howard cosell. the number one broadcast in the us. when he comes billiejean king, a very attractive young lady. sometimes you the feeling if you have a letterhead go down to her shoulders, took her glasses off, you would have somebody vying for hollywood screen test.— somebody vying for hollywood | screen test._ how screen test. there you go. how does it make — screen test. there you go. how does it make you _ screen test. there you go. how does it make you feel? - screen test. there you go. how does it make you feel? that's l does it make you feel? that's what we're — does it make you feel? that's what we're dealing _ does it make you feel? that's what we're dealing with? i i does it make you feel? that's| what we're dealing with? i did not see that tape until 25 years later i about fainted. i was thinking are you kidding me? , �* , �* �* ,, was thinking are you kidding me? , ~ , ~ ~ ,, ., me? cheering and applause what did bobby riggs — me? cheering and applause what did bobby riggs say _ me? cheering and applause what did bobby riggs say to _ me? cheering and applause what did bobby riggs say to you _ me? cheering and applause what did bobby riggs say to you when i did bobby riggs say to you when he stepped over the net? that did bobby riggs say to you when he stepped over the net?- he stepped over the net? at the end of it? _ he stepped over the net? at the end of it? he — he stepped over the net? at the end of it? he said _ he stepped over the net? at the end of it? he said i _ end of it? he said i underestimated you. like the rest of the world.— underestimated you. like the i rest of the world._ a rest of the world. chuckles. a lot of people- _ rest of the world. chuckles. a lot of people. you _ rest of the world. chuckles. a lot of people. you and - rest of the world. chuckles. a lot of people. you and bobby l lot of people. you and bobby ric as lot of people. you and bobby riggs were — lot of people. you and bobby riggs were reconciled - lot of people. you and bobby riggs were reconciled in i lot of people. you and bobby riggs were reconciled in the | riggs were reconciled in the end? i riggs were reconciled in the end? ., , , riggs were reconciled in the end?_ he - riggs were reconciled in the | end?_ he said end? i love this guy. he said that to him _ end? i love this guy. he said that to him continue? i i end? i love this guy. he said that to him continue? i kept| that to him continue? i kept tellin: that to him continue? i kept telling him. _ that to him continue? i kept telling him. i _ that to him continue? i kept telling him, i said _ that to him continue? i kept telling him, i said we i that to him continue? i kept telling him, i said we made| that to him continue? i kept| telling him, i said we made a difference in history and he finally got it. do difference in history and he finally got it.— difference in history and he finally got it. do you think it would be — finally got it. do you think it would be useful— finally got it. do you think it would be useful to - finally got it. do you think it would be useful to play i finally got it. do you think it i would be useful to play another game today?— game today? would not be the same. game today? would not be the same- why? — game today? would not be the same. why? different - game today? would not be the same. why? different time i game today? would not be the same. why? different time in i same. why? different time in history. same. why? different time in histo . , �* ., history. doesn't need to happen? _ history. doesn't need to happen? you _ history. doesn't need to happen? you can i history. doesn't need to happen? you can have i history. doesn't need to| happen? you can have it history. doesn't need to i happen? you can have it but it doesnt happen? you can have it but it doesn't have _ happen? you can have it but it doesn't have the _ happen? you can have it but it doesn't have the same - happen? you can have it but it doesn't have the same punch. | doesn't have the same punch. 2022 marks 50 years since president nixon signed title nine into american law. ending sex —based discrimination in education. an influential supporter of the bill, billiejean king testified to congress on the matter to ensure generations of girls would benefit from opportunities denied her. you've described title nine is one of the most important pieces of us legislation. totally. in the 20th century. what changes to bring about? it really was about classrooms, was how came about. for instance, if you want to go to harvard and get your medical degree, get your phd, they only allowed 5% of the class to be women. and i always wondered when i know women doctors and lawyers, there were not very many, well, if they are only allowing 5% into the classroom, that's obvious. so what it did was any school, public or private, high school, college or university, would that received federal funds, for the first time i had to spend it equally on boys and girls. so, it took a long, long time because we are still not caught up. even 50 years later. we still don't have as many opportunities. especially in high school. that, that changed everything. in this 37 words of piece of legislation, it has the word "activity" in it as well. educational or activity. because of that one word, we have scholarships for sports for women for the first time. and it was your husband, larry king, who the larry king broadcaster. who introduced you to one of the as you saw it in justices around scholarships and education because you can tell us, you were wandering around cal state university... yeah, we were walking hand in hand, actually, about this position, right by the tennis court, and he says you know you are a second—class citizen? what? he goes you are the best known person in the school, the best athlete in the school, he said on the eighth guy in the seven man team and i have my science, because we are both a chemistry major, i have a grant for that and i also have money for that and i also have money for the tennis.— for the tennis. this and it's ridiculous. _ for the tennis. this and it's ridiculous. you _ for the tennis. this and it's ridiculous. you could i for the tennis. this and it's ridiculous. you could not i for the tennis. this and it's i ridiculous. you could not get a scholarship. he ridiculous. you could not get a scholarship-— scholarship. he says you are a second-class _ scholarship. he says you are a second-class citizen? - scholarship. he says you are a second-class citizen? why? i scholarship. he says you are a l second-class citizen? why? you second—class citizen? why? you are a girl. it's ridiculous. and looked at him and i have his bang in my gut and i thought he is right and i knew all of this and i knew all of this in felted but he just crystallise it like that because it was local. so, i... all of these little things happened in your life that you just want to keep fighting for the right. what i consider the right things. and that is equality and everyone having, you know, let's go. throughout these years. — you know, let's go. throughout these years, something - you know, let's go. throughout these years, something that i you know, let's go. throughout l these years, something that may be a lot of people don't fully grasp about your career and your life is you were fighting a huge amount of off court battles, huge amount of time in meetings and... battles, huge amount of time in meetings and. . ._ battles, huge amount of time in l meetings and. . ._ and meetings and... exhausting. and bureaucracy- _ meetings and... exhausting. and bureaucracy. you _ meetings and... exhausting. and bureaucracy. you still _ meetings and... exhausting. and bureaucracy. you still ended i meetings and... exhausting. and bureaucracy. you still ended up i bureaucracy. you still ended up with 39 grand slam titles, which is more than most of us. do you think you would have won a lot more? i do you think you would have won a lot more?— a lot more? i would have one a lot more- _ a lot more? i would have one a lot more. there _ a lot more? i would have one a lot more. there were - a lot more? i would have one a lot more. there were years i a lot more? i would have one a lot more. there were years we | lot more. there were years we didn't play the australian open or the french open. but didn't play the australian open or the french open.— or the french open. but you never had — or the french open. but you never had time _ or the french open. but you never had time to _ or the french open. but you never had time to even i or the french open. but you never had time to even go i or the french open. but you i never had time to even go and appreciate your victories. you are in so many meetings. that is my brain- — are in so many meetings. that is my brain- l _ are in so many meetings. that is my brain. i made _ are in so many meetings. that is my brain. i made a - are in so many meetings. twat is my brain. i made a decision when i was 12 that i would fight for equality for the rest of my life. my eye has always been on the ball that way. everything. even now, i'm still working for the same things. i haven't stopped. i'm busier than ever. i'm getting close... i will be 79 this year and close to 80.— i will be 79 this year and close to 80. , ., ., close to 80. do you feel that the gains _ close to 80. do you feel that the gains you _ close to 80. do you feel that the gains you have _ close to 80. do you feel that the gains you have fought i close to 80. do you feel that| the gains you have fought for through hard work and campaigning, do you feel they have been banked and one forever?— have been banked and one forever? , ., ., ., , forever? every generation has to bite because _ forever? every generation has to bite because things - forever? every generation has to bite because things are i to bite because things are fragile always. there are things that are tenuous always. progress is fragile? it things that are tenuous always. progress is fragile?— progress is fragile? it is. you can no progress is fragile? it is. you can go backwards _ progress is fragile? it is. you can go backwards so - progress is fragile? it is. you can go backwards so easily i progress is fragile? it is. you i can go backwards so easily and we don't want to go backwards. we want to make it better for everyone. i don't want anyone to get hurt by anything. i want to get hurt by anything. i want to uplift. to get hurt by anything. i want to ulift. �* , to get hurt by anything. i want to ulift. �*, ., ~ ., to get hurt by anything. i want to ulift. �*, . ~ ., ., to uplift. let's talk about an issue that — to uplift. let's talk about an issue that crystallises i to uplift. let's talk about an i issue that crystallises exactly what you're talking about. at the time of our speaking, we've only seen a draftjudgement in the proposal and to overturn roe versus wade, the queue because of 1975, the day such a landmark right of 1973. what was your reaction that the supreme court may overturn roe versus wade?— supreme court may overturn roe l versus wade?_ why? versus wade? huge setback. why? because we — versus wade? huge setback. why? because we don't _ versus wade? huge setback. why? because we don't have _ versus wade? huge setback. why? because we don't have control- because we don't have control over our bodies. for someone else to tell us... do you ever see anyone talk about men, the world sit there and talk about men and whether they will have a vasectomy or what they would do with their bodies. all we decide for the men about not having control or what to do or be able to make their own decision over their bodies? no—one ever talks about it. have you noticed that? why has no—one talked about it? it is the men were most adamant about it. i am like hello? hello? really? this is about women this time! it shouldn't even be, it shouldn't be an issue. we should have control over our bodies because every woman has to make their own decision on it and it is never, i will say this because i swear anyone of ever talk to, it is never a easy decision. i cannot stand it when people think... 0h! and you know these women who talk about it and you know that some of these women have gotten pregnant and you know that they have gone on taking care of it if you have enough money and they can travel and get what they can travel and get what they need. so, it is... it is so interesting how peoplejudge others. before the roe versus wade ruling, any woman wanting and legal abortion had to go before a committee first and explain why she believed her pregnancy would gravely impair her physical or mental health. i this wonderful autobiography about your remarkable —— you wrote this and i did want to ask you about this personal experience, ifound ask you about this personal experience, i found shocking ask you about this personal experience, ifound shocking in your book. as recently as 1971, including the world number one tennis player, wanted to have an abortion, she had to walk into a room, 10—15 strangers... 15 guys. i into a room, 10-15 strangers... 15 au s. ., �* ~' 15 guys. i don't think there were any _ 15 guys. i don't think there were any women. - 15 guys. i don't think there were any women. and i 15 guys. i don't think there were any women. and you i were any women. and you describe that as one of the most embarrassing things. bind most embarrassing things. and lar , most embarrassing things. and larry. my _ most embarrassing things. and larry, my husband, _ most embarrassing things. situc larry, my husband, he most embarrassing things. fifit larry, my husband, he said most embarrassing things. fifir. larry, my husband, he said it was absolutely ridiculous. it was absolutely ridiculous. it was absolutely ridiculous and asinine. ,, . , . asinine. she was granted the abortion but _ asinine. she was granted the abortion but was _ asinine. she was granted the abortion but was taken - asinine. she was granted the abortion but was taken at - asinine. she was granted the abortion but was taken at a l abortion but was taken at a back when news of it became public. yet, you did not have control, not for the first time in your life? i control, not for the first time in your life?— in your life? i didn't have any control- _ in your life? i didn't have any control. 0r— in your life? i didn't have any control. or about _ in your life? i didn't have any control. or about the - in your life? i didn't have any control. or about the way - in your life? i didn't have any| control. or about the way the abortion became _ control. or about the way the abortion became public, - control. or about the way the l abortion became public, public knowledge. that was larry's fault. how did that come out? this woman was asking people to sign up and i didn't even know if they would sign up. hour sign up and i didn't even know if they would sign up.- if they would sign up. how did ou if they would sign up. how did you feel? _ if they would sign up. how did you feel? i — if they would sign up. how did you feel? i was _ if they would sign up. how did you feel? i was upset. - if they would sign up. how did you feel? i was upset. i- if they would sign up. how did you feel? i was upset. i would have had _ you feel? i was upset. i would have had like _ you feel? i was upset. i would have had like the _ you feel? i was upset. i would have had like the opportunityl have had like the opportunity to have decided. flan have had like the opportunity to have decided.— have had like the opportunity to have decided. can we take a moment to _ to have decided. can we take a moment to consider _ to have decided. can we take a moment to consider the - moment to consider the contrast. many people who have known you and your career, i971, known you and your career, 1971, extraordinaire ellery successful player, coming to wimbledon for ten years and halfway through the run of the final but in the early 19705, there is this huge contrast between your public, global 5ucce55 between your public, global success as a best tennis player in the world and the enormous inner turmoil you are going through in terms of your sexuality, your marriage and abortion. people didn't really get to see that, did they? thankfully, they didn't at the time. i don't know what would have happened.— have happened. because you asked larry _ have happened. because you asked larry for _ have happened. because you asked larry for a _ have happened. because you asked larry for a divorce - have happened. because you asked larry for a divorce in i asked larry for a divorce in 1969. he knew by then... i wasn't sure. you _ 1969. he knew by then... i wasn't sure. you won't - 1969. he knew by then... i i wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, — wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, i — wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, i thought - wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, | thought | - wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, i thought i had - wasn't sure. you won't sure? no. also, i thought i had to i wasn't sure. you won't sure? i no. also, i thought i had to be with other people, men and women to figure out what i wanted and who i am and who wanted and who i am and who wanted to spend the rest of my life with. it all worked out unbelievably. i've been with my partner for 43 years and it worked out great but i must say, in the early 705, my life, during the 19705, was a nightmare. and i was winning a lot. you know why? it was a sanctuary. i look at the court and i think i love that. it sanctuary. i look at the court and i think i love that.- and i think i love that. it is so interesting _ and i think i love that. it is so interesting that - and i think i love that. it is so interesting that you - and i think i love that. it is so interesting that you think of it as a sanctuary, because many people think that as an escape. i many people think that as an esca e. u, many people think that as an escae. , escape. i can escape there. watched — escape. i can escape there. watched by — escape. i can escape there. watched by millions - escape. i can escape there. watched by millions of- escape. i can escape there. - watched by millions of people? doesn't matter. it is me on the ball. it is really fun. i5 ball. it is really fun. is amazing _ ball. it is really fun. is amazing to me to think that through the 19705 you are going through the 19705 you are going through so much. one aspect of the terminal you had an affair with marilyn barnet.— with marilyn barnet. went really together, _ with marilyn barnet. went really together, together, i with marilyn barnet. went - really together, together, may be one year, 1973. for really together, together, may be one year, 1973.— really together, together, may be one year, 1973. for many who do not know _ be one year, 1973. for many who do not know the _ be one year, 1973. for many who do not know the billie _ be one year, 1973. for many who do not know the billie jean - do not know the billiejean king story, those people who are interested in the lgbt i don't know the trauma of your coming out story. the don't know the trauma of your coming out story.— coming out story. the story is it depends — coming out story. the story is it depends on _ coming out story. the story is it depends on family - coming out story. the story is it depends on family is - coming out story. the story is it depends on family is the . it depends on family is the most important thing. some children today are still kicked out of their homes and really abused and it's terrible. mo5t abused and it's terrible. most people, especially if they are celebrities, if they come out, everyone is excited for them. when jason collins, everyone is excited for them. whenjason collins, he used to plan the nba, came out at the end of his playing career, president 0bama calls them and says way to go! and get the job immediately with the nba is. and this was not your experience it is fair to say? no! and this is why we fight for things! thatjason no! and this is why we fight for things! that jason was no! and this is why we fight for things! thatjason was in good shape and had a great experience by coming out and having the courage to come out, it is pretty stupid that we have to do that.- it is pretty stupid that we have to do that. . , ., , . , have to do that. can you please relate to others _ have to do that. can you please relate to others story _ have to do that. can you please relate to others story what - relate to others story what happened to your coming out. a, happened to your coming out. los all my endorsements lo5 all my endorsements overnight. los all my endorsements overnight-— overnight. and cottages quenches _ overnight. and cottages quenches the _ overnight. and cottages quenches the timing - overnight. and cottages quenches the timing of| overnight. and cottages - quenches the timing of it,? not quenches the timing of it, ? not on my own terms. marilyn got a pr firm and they decided to tell the world. so you must efface this moment, yet let's be clear about what is going on, champion tennis player, world number one, one of the famous icons of sport, you know this piece of information is about to come out that you hold dear to your heart, and your parents are creatures of your generation. parents are creatures of your generation-— generation. they were homophobic. - generation. they were homophobic. did - generation. they were homophobic. did you i generation. they were - homophobic. did you hold it auainst homophobic. did you hold it against them? _ homophobic. did you hold it against them? not - homophobic. did you hold it against them? not at - homophobic. did you hold it against them? not at all. i i against them? not at all. i still how — against them? not at all. i still how they _ against them? not at all. i still how they grew - against them? not at all. i still how they grew up. - against them? not at all. i | still how they grew up. no, against them? not at all. i - still how they grew up. no, you 5till how they grew up. no, you learn, that is how you learn. it is really important to learn about others.— it is really important to learn about others. and for 48 hours ou are about others. and for 48 hours you are arguing _ about others. and for 48 hours you are arguing with _ about others. and for 48 hours you are arguing with your- about others. and for 48 hours| you are arguing with your agent and publicist about how you're going to tell it. find and publicist about how you're going to tell it.— going to tell it. and i said 'ust to going to tell it. and i said just to tell— going to tell it. and i said just to tell the _ going to tell it. and i said just to tell the truth - going to tell it. and i said just to tell the truth and i going to tell it. and i said - just to tell the truth and they said no! you cannot do this! and i told them i am doing it. ifinally convince them and i told them i am doing it. i finally convince them after 48 hours. i did have an affair with marilyn barnet. it has been over for quite some time. and i'm very disappointed and shocked that marilyn has done this not only to herself in a self—destructive way but to other people who have cared for her. ~ . other people who have cared for her. . ., ., , ., other people who have cared for her. . ., .,, ., ~' her. what was that like telling our her. what was that like telling your parents? _ her. what was that like telling your parents? terrible. - her. what was that like telling your parents? terrible. i - your parents? terrible. i didn't tell— your parents? terrible. i didn't tell them. - your parents? terrible. i didn't tell them. i- your parents? terrible. i didn't tell them. i was i your parents? terrible. i i didn't tell them. i was such your parents? terrible. i - didn't tell them. i was such a wimp. not thrilled with my lack of guts in those days. this subject is so difficult for me. really. both are horrible moments in my life. just living 24/7 with that. people know who are listening. everyone has their own story. but most people can have affairs or relationships within their own little circle everyone knows but not the whole world. you're t in: to but not the whole world. you're trying to be _ but not the whole world. you're trying to be the _ but not the whole world. you're trying to be the best _ but not the whole world. you're trying to be the best tennis - trying to be the best tennis player in the world.- trying to be the best tennis player in the world. yang had to train and _ player in the world. yang had to train and play. _ player in the world. yang had to train and play. any - player in the world. yang had to train and play. any lost - player in the world. yang had to train and play. any lost a i to train and play. any lost a lot of money _ to train and play. any lost a lot of money overnight? - to train and play. any lost a lot of money overnight? i i to train and play. any lost a i lot of money overnight? i lost all of that _ lot of money overnight? i lost all of that overnight _ lot of money overnight? i lost all of that overnight but - lot of money overnight? i lost all of that overnight but i - lot of money overnight? i lost all of that overnight but i was | all of that overnight but i was free. the truth does that youth free. the truth does that youth free. but if someone out there is gay or wants to be a transsexual, whatever, man, woman, person, it is really important to come out when you are ready. — — the truth does set you free. your body your heart will tell you when you are ready and try to been a safe place as well. you need safety. make sure, if you're going to talk to someone, that you can trust them and that's really important. to trust another human being. you need allies. another human being. you need allies- you _ another human being. you need allies. you need _ another human being. you need allies. you need allies _ another human being. you need allies. you need allies but - allies. you need allies but make sure _ allies. you need allies but make sure you _ allies. you need allies but make sure you are - allies. you need allies but make sure you are ready. | allies. you need allies but i make sure you are ready. it allies. you need allies but - make sure you are ready. it is liberating but it is also, you have to get to that point where you feel comfortable enough and authentic enough for yourself to come out. everyone is different, to.— to come out. everyone is different, to. you were 51 before you _ different, to. you were 51 before you are _ different, to. you were 51| before you are completely publicly out.— publicly out. thanks to therapy- _ publicly out. thanks to i therapy. psychotherapy. i publicly out. thanks to - therapy. psychotherapy. iam a therapy. psychotherapy. i am a big believer in that. therapy. psychotherapy. iam a big believer in that.— big believer in that. when you talk about _ big believer in that. when you talk about the _ big believer in that. when you talk about the difficult - big believer in that. when you talk about the difficult 1970s, | talk about the difficult 19705, going through the difficult abortion, breakdown of your marriage, an affair, being out a public cleaner trying to sustain your reputation as the best tennis player in history, what kind of impact is having on your mental health? is interesting you asked me that question because everyone is talking about it now. many people have been texting, especially older ones, that were older saying, we couldn't talk about this if we wanted! we would have been ostracised! it's true. it's very different times. i think wearing healthier times that way, a lock. that everyone can talk about it in a way that is very free that we could not. yes you could, kids will say. no, consequences were different. you, when you talk about it, you are encouraged anything thatis you are encouraged anything that is great! it would have been the opposite for us. it is like coming out. it is different. better different. de fill players of your generation would have done better on the court if you were if you allowed to be open about mental health? ~ ,,., , allowed to be open about mental health?_ when - allowed to be open about mental health?_ when you i health? absolutely. when you are holding — health? absolutely. when you are holding a _ health? absolutely. when you are holding a lock _ health? absolutely. when you are holding a lock back? - are holding a lock back? correct. even within our group, we did not talk about it that much. not in the same way. in the book, you talk in great detail about the mid— 905 they confronted the fact that for many years you had an eating disorder. �* . , ., many years you had an eating disorder. �* . , . ., disorder. i've always had an eatin: disorder. i've always had an eating disorder. _ disorder. i've always had an eating disorder. what - disorder. i've always had an eating disorder. what is - disorder. i've always had an eating disorder. what is it, | disorder. i've always had an i eating disorder. what is it, do ou eating disorder. what is it, do you mind _ eating disorder. what is it, do you mind me _ eating disorder. what is it, do you mind me asking? - eating disorder. what is it, do | you mind me asking? binging. 0vereating. — you mind me asking? binging. overeating, i've _ you mind me asking? binging. overeating, i've heard - you mind me asking? binging. overeating, i've heard so - you mind me asking? binging. overeating, i've heard so i- overeating, i've heard so i don't get fatter. that is the deal. ,., , ., don't get fatter. that is the deal. ,, , don't get fatter. that is the deal. , , don't get fatter. that is the l dteat— for deal. do you still binge? for me, deal. do you still binge? for me. very — deal. do you still binge? for me, very different _ deal. do you still binge? for me, very different to - deal. do you still binge? for me, very different to the - deal. do you still binge? fori me, very different to the old days. very little.— me, very different to the old days. very little. dalaet shane warne and _ days. very little. dalaet shane warne and andrew _ days. very little. dalaet shane warne and andrew flintoff- days. very little. dalaet shane warne and andrew flintoff hasj warne and andrew flintoff has said that they have had their own eating disorders. everyone is different _ own eating disorders. everyone is different - — own eating disorders. everyone is different - - _ own eating disorders. everyone is different - - the _ own eating disorders. everyone is different - - the late - own eating disorders. everyone is different - - the late shane i is different — — the late shane warne. is there something connected between your binging and the mindset of someone who is a perfectionist? yes. is and the mindset of someone who is a perfectionist? yes.— is a perfectionist? yes. is the connection? _ is a perfectionist? yes. is the connection? you _ is a perfectionist? yes. is the connection? you have - is a perfectionist? yes. is the connection? you have to - is a perfectionist? yes. is the connection? you have to get| is a perfectionist? yes. is the| connection? you have to get it riaht connection? you have to get it ri . ht and connection? you have to get it right and things _ connection? you have to get it right and things aren't - connection? you have to get it right and things aren't right. i right and things aren't right. they are not going to be right. i have a thing about champions which is what makes greatness in life is people who adjust and still have a great attitude. i think a lot of my eating problems or about my sexuality. eating problems or about my sexuality-— sexuality. what you mean by that, sexuality. what you mean by that. when — sexuality. what you mean by that, when you _ sexuality. what you mean by that, when you didn't - sexuality. what you mean by that, when you didn't feel i that, when you didn't feel good, you were binge eating? yes! it felt great. everything is about numbing your pain. everyone has their own way of doing that. everyone has their own way of doing that-— doing that. when things got back to you _ doing that. when things got back to you in _ doing that. when things got back to you in the _ doing that. when things got back to you in the 70s - doing that. when things got back to you in the 70s and l doing that. when things got i back to you in the 70s and the back to you in the 705 and the 19905, how bad did they get and how low wa5 19905, how bad did they get and how low was your lowest low? i really have to think about it but it was pretty low. i always wanted to live.— but it was pretty low. i always wanted to live. was connected to the pain _ wanted to live. was connected to the pain of— wanted to live. was connected to the pain of retiring? - wanted to live. was connected to the pain of retiring? no. i to the pain of retiring? no. retirin: to the pain of retiring? no. retiring was _ to the pain of retiring? no. retiring was not _ to the pain of retiring? no. retiring was not my - to the pain of retiring? luv. retiring was not my challenge. retiring, i'm big on the next chapter. i don't call it retiring, i call it transition. i want to ask you about falling in love with alana. a brilliant tennis player in her own right. the love of your life, tennis partner and our life partner. she is now your wife?- partner and our life partner. she is now your wife? yes, she is my wife- _ she is now your wife? yes, she is my wife. something - she is now your wife? yes, she is my wife. something the - she is now your wife? yes, she i is my wife. something the world found about _ is my wife. something the world found about because _ is my wife. something the world found about because of- is my wife. something the world found about because of your - found about because of your book. one thing we did privately- _ book. one thing we did privately. we _ book. one thing we did privately. we just - book. one thing we did i privately. we just wanted book. one thing we did - privately. we just wanted it to be for us. privately. we 'ust wanted it to be for us.— be for us. are you a private person? — be for us. are you a private person? yes. _ be for us. are you a private person? yes, i— be for us. are you a private person? yes, ithink- be for us. are you a private person? yes, i think i - be for us. are you a private person? yes, i think! am. | be for us. are you a private - person? yes, ithinki am. have also been _ person? yes, ithinki am. have also been open _ person? yes, ithinki am. have also been open about _ person? yes, ithinki am. have also been open about at - person? yes, ithinki am. have also been open about at times i also been open about at times you had a terrible temper and he once said you tell people to stay out of the locker room so you could go ape and then they will go — a5 you could go ape and then they will go — as you will come out and talk to the press. with that because he didn't like journalists? i that because he didn't like journalists?— journalists? i like journalists, - journalists? i like journalists, are i journalists? i like i journalists, are you journalists? i like _ journalists, are you kidding? ? 7 ' ' g? . k|dd|n t areyou [is 5, ' na jour my journalists, are you kidding? ? my generation appreciates the traditional media more than anybody because they told our story. we did not have social media and women's tennis will not be on the map at all if we had not had the journalists tell our stories. that is why people knew about us. it was a huge part of our marketing. i was good you market except television those days? we do not have the different outlets like they do now so without the traditional media of our day, we would not have what we have. we would not have made it. every time i talk to the traditional media i think because of that story right now, because i get it and that is why manyjournalists are upset today because they don't have access to the players. and i think the players are professional athletes and i think part of being a professional athlete is absolutely doing media and that means traditional media after every match. my generation loves the traditional media because we understand that without them we would not have made it. that is so interesting you say that because i and the bbc�*s media editor and the argument i often here is that people say you don't need the traditional media anymore because you can use social media to tell your story directly. i use social media to tell your story directly-— story directly. i don't agree. i think story directly. i don't agree. i think you _ story directly. i don't agree. i think you need _ story directly. i don't agree. i think you need both, - story directly. i don't agree. i i think you need both, anytime you have an outlet it is a privilege and a keep telling the players and other people, traditional media al5o the players and other people, traditional media also has social media. also social media, you have outlets all the time, going out in every direction. instagram, twitter, tiktok, whatever. bbc has that. certainly does. i tiktok, whatever. bbc has that. certainly does.— certainly does. i know so you are getting — certainly does. i know so you are getting multiple - certainly does. i know so you are getting multiple outlets i are getting multiple outlets which is better for your career. which is better for your career-— which is better for your career. , , ., career. let me turn briefly to a modern _ career. let me turn briefly to a modern fight _ career. let me turn briefly to a modern fight for _ career. let me turn briefly to a modern fight for rights - career. let me turn briefly to a modern fight for rights and | a modern fight for rights and equality that some people think has become rather divisive but this is an issue where you have got a long, proud history. just tell us if you would how you came to support the cause of renee richards, the first high—profile trans women in tennis. high-profile trans women in tennis. ., high-profile trans women in tennis. . ., , ., tennis. rene wanted to play on the women's — tennis. rene wanted to play on the women's tour _ tennis. rene wanted to play on the women's tour and - tennis. rene wanted to play on the women's tour and the - tennis. rene wanted to play on i the women's tour and the women did not want her and i said to the women, all right, i would get back to you, just need to go and get some homework done, so i would met with different doctors and they said she is a woman, i said ok. doctors and they said she is a woman, isaid ok. i met doctors and they said she is a woman, i said ok. i met with renee forfour hours woman, i said ok. i met with renee for four hours and she talked to me most of that four hours, i asked a lot of questions. i said, hours, i asked a lot of questions. isaid, legally she's got to be able to play so i've got to get the women to say it's ok, for them so i went to the women again and they said she is going to play, she is considered a woman, a talk with her, she is very excited and they are going, i don't know. i said you guys, just give it a go for a couple of weeks. so after about two days with rene on the torah, the women came up to me and said, oh my god she's so great, she is so nice, she's wonderful! so everything was ok. ——0n the tour. she's in her 805 and going strong, 5till practising one day a week, she is great. on the issue trans players, there's a whole range of sports today, decisions are being made about whether trans women who have been through mail puberty can compete in female categories, if they have an unfair advantage. categories, if they have an unfairadvantage. i categories, if they have an unfair advantage.- unfair advantage. i keep thinking _ unfair advantage. i keep thinking about _ unfair advantage. i keep thinking about them - unfair advantage. i keep - thinking about them because they don't know the answers. i want every person to have a chance to place. that's what they always go back to. say it is unfair. maybe we should have an eventjust for them. i don't know, whatever want to have a to play, but they don't want anyone to have a huge unfair advantage but if you look at some players, some a five foot two and some are 6—foot to and do we do something about that? i have all these questions that go through my mind so i am not sure. i think we have to keep listening to the science. iambic on salient. if a person goes through puberty, a boy, particularly. —— i am big on science. then i started think that there probably is an unfair advantage but how do we make sure that they get a chance to play. can you imagine how somebody feels, just to know that they are a different gender when they are young? kids at four, five, six say that's it, i'm a boy or a girl and they stick to it. you let them dress the way they want to dress, they are all of us sat and happy, calm, otherwise they are agitated all the time sometimes, so it's this really, life is different now. it's not binary, it is not easy pc, you are a boy or girl anymore. we have really, really appreciate each person to find the truth, whatever that is. the world is a very different place now. i keep trying to find out all the time. renee says probably nobody should be able to play forfour nobody should be able to play for four years so the hormones come down and she says if they had been younger, i would have killed you guys. i would have beaten you so badly. so i'd just keep listening. just just keep listening. just before we _ just keep listening. just before we talk - just keep listening. just before we talk about i just keep listening. just before we talk about the future, i want two talk about your legacy. minimum one word, maximum ten. your greatest hero? ~ , maximum ten. your greatest hero? y ., , maximum ten. your greatest hero? g . , ., hero? my greatest error? probably _ hero? my greatest error? probably my _ hero? my greatest error? probably my parents. i hero? my greatest error? i probably my parents. doubles hero? my greatest error? - probably my parents. doubles of sinules? probably my parents. doubles of singles? doubles. _ probably my parents. doubles of singles? doubles. why? - probably my parents. doubles of singles? doubles. why? i- probably my parents. doubles of singles? doubles. why? i like i singles? doubles. why? i like team sports. _ singles? doubles. why? i like team sports. i _ singles? doubles. why? i like team sports, i grew— singles? doubles. why? i like team sports, i grew up - singles? doubles. why? i like team sports, i grew up on i singles? doubles. why? i like i team sports, i grew up on team sports. team sports, i grew up on team sorts. ~ ., , team sports, i grew up on team sorts, . ., ,., team sports, i grew up on team sorts. ~ . ,. . ., ., , sports. what is a technology ou sports. what is a technology you depend _ sports. what is a technology you depend on _ sports. what is a technology you depend on most? - sports. what is a technology i you depend on most? obviously my phone _ you depend on most? obviously my phone and — you depend on most? obviously my phone and i _ you depend on most? obviously my phone and i love _ you depend on most? obviously my phone and i love television. | my phone and i love television. i'm such a tv could. we had the first tv in the 19505. you i'm such a tv could. we had the first tv in the 1950s.— first tv in the 1950s. you saw the coronation _ first tv in the 1950s. you saw the coronation of _ first tv in the 1950s. you saw the coronation of queen i the coronation of queen elizabeth ii? the coronation of queen elizabeth h?— the coronation of queen elizabeth ii?— the coronation of queen elizabeth ii? . ., ., elizabeth ii? that was one of the first thing _ elizabeth ii? that was one of the first thing they _ elizabeth ii? that was one of the first thing they ever- elizabeth ii? that was one ofi the first thing they ever saw. you believe in god? [30 the first thing they ever saw. you believe in god?- you believe in god? do i believe _ you believe in god? do i believe in _ you believe in god? do i believe in god... - you believe in god? do ii believe in god... probably you believe in god? do i- believe in god... probably in you believe in god? idir’r i believe in god... probably in a spiritual way, yes. believe in god. .. probably in a spiritual way, yes.— spiritualway, yes. past or present? _ spiritualway, yes. past or present? both. _ spiritualway, yes. past or present? both. and i spiritual way, yes. past or. present? both. and future. let's finally _ present? both. and future. let's finally return - present? both. and future. let's finally return to i present? both. and future. let's finally return to your i let's finally return to your legacy and what you've learned. you use the word legacy, you are laughing at me, you use the word legacy all the time! why are you laughing when a mention legacy? are you laughing when a mention lea ? , ., , , ., legacy? everyone else is going to decide anyway. _ legacy? everyone else is going to decide anyway. don't - legacy? everyone else is going to decide anyway. don't you i to decide anyway. don't you think people decide what your legacy is? i think people decide what your le . a is? ., think people decide what your lea is? ., , ., think people decide what your lea is? , legacy is? i think you can help to related- — legacy is? i think you can help to related. what _ legacy is? i think you can help to related. what would - legacy is? i think you can help to related. what would you i legacy is? i think you can help. to related. what would you like your legacy to be? i to related. what would you like your legacy to be?— your legacy to be? i don't know. your legacy to be? i don't know- i— your legacy to be? i don't know. i don't _ your legacy to be? i don't know. i don't think- your legacy to be? i don't know. i don't think about | your legacy to be? i don't i know. i don't think about those things, i think about let's go, we got to do this, we got to do that. ., in: we got to do this, we got to do that. ., j~:: , . | that. you turn 80 next year. i sure do- — that. you turn 80 next year. i sure do. but _ that. you turn 80 next year. i sure do. but i'd _ that. you turn 80 next year. i sure do. but i'd get _ that. you turn 80 next year. i sure do. but i'd get the i sure do. but i'd get the impression _ sure do. but i'd get the impression that - sure do. but i'd get the impression that you i sure do. but i'd get the i impression that you have no intention of slowing down. your career as a player as long finished but your career as an activist is far from finished. correct. ~ ., ., activist is far from finished. correct. . . . , correct. what are the battles ou are correct. what are the battles you are still _ correct. what are the battles you are still fighting - correct. what are the battles you are still fighting but i you are still fighting but haven't yet won?- you are still fighting but haven't yet won? you are still fighting but haven't et won? ., , haven't yet won? the same ones, inclusion. — haven't yet won? the same ones, inclusion, equality, _ haven't yet won? the same ones, inclusion, equality, equity, - inclusion, equality, equity, all of those things, we have a company that fights for that. we are big on helping women's sports, we think sports a microcosm of society and if we can help women's sports we can help inspire and also be more business for everyone. just help and it is also a place that has a platform. i wonder what your— that has a platform. i wonder what your message _ that has a platform. i wonder what your message would i that has a platform. i wonder what your message would be | that has a platform. i wonder i what your message would be to a younger generations of activists who have looked at your life, taken inspiration from the fights that you have won, what would you say to them about the fact that there is still a lot of work to do and that they shouldn't assume that the battles that you won and fort have been won forever? that they need to understand history. the more you know about history, the more you know about yourself. but most importantly, it helps you shape the future. importantly, it helps you shape the future-— the future. what you think is the future. what you think is the greatest _ the future. what you think is the greatest obstacle - the future. what you think is the greatest obstacle to i the greatest obstacle to equality today?- the greatest obstacle to equality today? money. and culture. they _ equality today? money. and culture. they have - equality today? money. and culture. they have to - equality today? money. and culture. they have to catch l equality today? money. and i culture. they have to catch up to an idea of true inclusion and power, people always want to keep their power, not always, it changes but it really has a lot to do with men and women and all genders to fight for these things but usually if you have the power, you don't want to lose what you have. you are not really losing, you are creating more and sharing it but it is hard. but you know what? people have to earn it too. you've got to get in there and work. billie jean get in there and work. billie jean king. _ get in there and work. billie jean king, thank— get in there and work. billie jean king, thank you - get in there and work. billie jean king, thank you so i get in there and work. billie i jean king, thank you so much jean king, thank you so much for your time. jean king, thank you so much for your time.— for your time. thank you, it's been great- _ for your time. thank you, it's been great. it's _ for your time. thank you, it's been great. it's great - for your time. thank you, it's been great. it's great to i for your time. thank you, it's| been great. it's great to meet you. been great. it's great to meet ou. �* , u, . , you. king's career earnings totalled just _ you. king's career earnings totalled just under - you. king's career earnings totalled just under $2 i you. king's career earnings i totalled just under $2 million making her the highest earning female tennis player at the time. but her relentless campaigning has left an indelible impact on the sport with top female players now earning millions each year and taking a leaf out of the billie jean king playbook to use their plat on to speak out on a variety of issues. ——to use their platform to speak out on a variety of issues. hello. very little rain in this forecast — but there is heat to talk about. and in fact, as temperatures head up during sunday, parts of wales, the wider area of england, begin three consecutive days with temperatures in the mid—to—upper 205, some 5pot5 low 305, which will qualify it a5 a heat wave right underneath this area of high pressure. there will be cloud to begin with, though, misty low cloud into northern ireland, western scotland, parts of north west england, north wales. a lot of that's going to disappear and mayjust linger around some irish sea coasts, far north—west scotland staying cloudy, in the northern isles, rain clearing away from shetland. for many, though, it'sjust a case of plenty of sunshine, mid—to—low 205, the warmest parts of northern ireland through eastern scotland, mid—to—high 205, much of wales and england, 30 in south east england, somewhat cooling sea breezes around the coasts. it's going to be a hot one on centre court — and notjust wimbledon players and spectators will need to protect against the strong sunshine with high, or indeed, very high uv levels. sunday evening, well, stays fine, very warm, bit of misty low cloud returning towards north—west scotland and maybe still around some irish sea coa5t5 going into monday morning. overnight temperatures mid—to—low teens, but the nights are getting a bit warmer, as well. then during monday, there will be a bit more cloud filtering into scotland and northern ireland, though it will still feel very warm with some sunny spells. an increasing breeze and some rain, some rain heading into the western isles later in the day. for wales and england the sun will turn hazy, but it will still be there and it'll feel hotter. more places getting to that 30 or above celsius mark. and then, going into tuesday, there's a cold front that's moving its way southwards, but it will have barely any rain once it moves through scotland and northern ireland, and it willjust be a band of cloud, really. so behind it for scotland and northern ireland, feeling fresher on tuesday, some sunny spells the chance of a shower. although there will be some cloud filtering through wales and england, it will still feel very warm or indeed hot in places, and in fact could well be a hotter day still on tuesday in south east england into the low 305 before then. just turns a touch cooler going into wednesday. in fact, for the rest of the week, scotland and northern ireland temperatures in some 5pot5 below average for the time of year. it will stay very warm across southern areas, and there is the potential for another burst of heat, maybe extreme heat, into next weekend, which we are watching. this is bbc news. welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. i'm gareth barlow. our top stories: sri lanka's president, gotabaya rajapaska, will step down after protesters stormed the palace and set fire to the prime minister's house. we report from the scene in colombo these protesters, they want a new beginning for sri lanka, a new beginning for sri lanka, a new political culture so they will not face the similar economic crisis in the country. a5 japan grieves for the former prime minister shinzo abe, voting begins in elections for the upper house of parliament. uk chancellor nadim zahawi has added his name to the conservative leadership contest, joining a field of eight, including sajid javid and jeremy hunt. and in the tennis, moscow—born elena rybakina wins

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