Hello this is o.-s. From the b.b.c. World Service if you're wondering what you're tuning in to well we're not in the b.b.c. News room and that's why it sounds a little bit different direction sitting there plush sofa in the middle of the living room we're on the 12th floor of a highrise block in London there's a balcony there's lots of kids' toys copper princess dresses I think I can see hear from her as well because. Because she's on the sofa here with me and she's our host for today. Thank you very much for having us. We've had a lot of chats over the past couple of hours when we've been in McKale as house but the reason we're here is because McHale is balcony actually overlooks a really sad scene and is grateful tower 24 story building that was ripped apart really by a fire just a little over 2 weeks ago and you can probably hear police sirens there in the background basically where these high rises are they overlook also some of the main arteries motorways that go through London and when it comes to grand full tower. We still don't know how many people died so that's one of the reasons that we are doing this program but we also want to get into the issues of what it's like to live here because it began to unveil the way a lot of people were living in London that perhaps was unknown to people in this city country or others around the world. Presumed dead but the police saying yesterday at a press conference that they may not know the number of those who died until the end of the year which is incredibly difficult for people to take because it's very difficult to move on how you don't care. What since it's happened yeah I find it really really hard to stay up to be honest the only proper night sleep I get is when I know it's my day off work I think I'm Stephanie's house I mean because I don't stay elsewhere Yeah yeah I do work on stuff best friend's house he knows how and why I stayed stay there but my Ok are. You our postal worker Yeah and you have a 5 year old girl hands some of the little toys that behind you also have their 19 year old yeah young woman I suppose I should say there. She does the hasn't stated since it happened she's been staying where not a. Lot I want to tell you that I want to tie them up and I will stay there because if there's a fire we won't get out we won't go out. You know I just got a whatsapp message. That came in to us and they wanted to know. Why they're from the United States and they said in the states that the fire escapes are always on the outside of the buildings and it's not the case here and it's insanity inside to come out it's next to the left as well and you've got to go down the stairs all the way. And there's only one and there's only one here and to give people an idea of how many floors in this building that's not unlike 202020 floors in 20 stories and a good number all flats apartments it looks like as I walk down the corridor there's 125 south in a pretty similar there to gravel really only is we've got more open balcony I think than one party that's the only difference. That is the only difference it's quite something as well to step out on your balcony and see Grenfell tower because there's not actually that many high rises in the skyline in a lot of parts of London it's unlike other cities in that way yeah it is a horrible every time you look out there you just think of all of them poor people trying to get out that night I get goosebumps and I mean and to think that you know there's still people in there now and it's just heartbreaking which I think some of the survivors are finding it very difficult you don't let me play a little of that I met just before I came over to Mikael this last and that's on the 2012th floor of this building. He was reluctant I think it's fair to say to meet with me because he feels unsure about the media about the authorities about speaking out he's a survivor from nice. We mess not too far from here about 10 minutes from here in a Malaysian restaurant which is something the corner and we talked on well I let my heart tell the story of that night it was a complete nightmare. And. Up until now there's the money it's really filled out well few songs. We still have missing people that have people don't have a can confound. The number of survivors not confound. Still people in comas. Despoil friends there was have happened but we still publicly why do you feel you can't grieve one because you cannot find out maybe some friends have found you they say that if I was so it meant some hole. Where they're hoping to find. Just bits of tissue and then link the d.n.a. It's with the survivors on the 50 and I doubt they'll find fair to shoot some people. That were left traps in the upper deck of the building this coming to light now would have. Peddled to get off given a call for one another it's very very difficult to think about what from where did you live on. A list of a 4th floor just next door to where the fire started we had a knock on the door was we were eating just for one I am there was no one I was out of so when I opened to. Welcome to buy a smoke a large amount of smoke I need I knew all that was have I needed I had I had a life flashback called the 1st time I've been for a fire which when I was in the hospital I reacted quick I screwed down the whole said Jamie Jamie that was filed as far as I watched him on grabbed his house put it to the sink so I flush and you know to top open gave I was Jamie Jane was put in as she saw and gave out a wet towels we went to the kids' room with and. Put over the kids' heads and just put the shoes on and just don't let's everybody on the left like you had my key with me I'm not how I managed to escape the building because there's a part of the building that he did axis you mentioned your wife how many children do not have 2 children one year old daughter and a free and a half year old son my son who's 3 and a half is very aware of the situation because he was I was sure it was it was strange your face you are here now watching the rest of the your neighbors friends families trapped country how would you describe. The week since it's happened the whole community we Carmona with Condi concrete we have we've lost people on our neighbors friends or families going through it all something that could have been presented where are you living now a calm disclose where I'm living it's not being given to me by the console local authority or any governing body is. Between Friends families a con disclose their locations what because I fear that there will be a backlash from the local authority to the tenants staying with poison in streets stating that and has anybody reached out to you and said there is this temporary accommodation you and your family can live in because we've heard this deadline right for this week that everybody should have been given an offer of temporary accommodation since the fire they have gave me 4 unsuitable occupations and why were they unsuitable if you don't like us by style ways there was a high rise hotels which is incredibly just too much so just and did you tell them I mean it's obvious that you're you know be traumatized and what did they say when you said you don't want to go to a high floor move focus we told them we told them to condition which we came out of and how this affected us on a. Effects of our children especially my sons he said way that there was a fire he's home so whenever he comes to the area he knows I'm used to watch He says he's House Ways house used to be told and can clearly see that is no longer there because he's a graveyard so we've got a great thought in the middle of our meets right now as we speak but I understand what you're saying it's incredibly traumatic and stressful for the residents of this area to look up and see crammed full tower what's next what is number one for you right now to put a. Safe suitable accommodation over my children's head you know to put Must children in a safe and secure accommodation that's what I need do you think you will get that from this government. Not without millions of people coming to this she saw London in a peaceful demonstration protest to signify that they are disgusted by the way that the government has treaties on seasons for France and while that sounds like you are ready to put up a fight and know how be happy to put up a peaceful protest or cry as long as it takes to get justice for Graeme from. Thanks to my hard for speaking to me one of the survivors off the ground felt our at the B.B.C.'s Rob Watson is with us on the line also opposite me here on the sofa in McHale's apartment is Don Foster is the housing Guardian correspondent Rob good to have you with us you heard a little bit of my what their party is going through and boss others like him have gone through what you think it's saying more broadly about Britain today. Well 1st of all greetings to MCO and to Dawn sitting next to you and of course you knew well . Look the there's no doubt that's that. Sparks an awful lot of of soul searching I think it's also sparked a lot of I think it's also sparked some politicians to perhaps be jumping the gun and saying things that perhaps are not helpful before one is absolutely sure about what happened but. There's no doubt it's not just some sort of small farmers around the corner I mean I think it's been a seminal moments in British life that's got people thinking about inequality whether or not by the way inequality is one of the things to do with this far it's got people talking about all star and see whether or not again all stars you have much to do with it I mean an awful lot of it is is uncertain but I think what it certainly has done that is to do is to start a you know a very big national conversation. Don what is it about. The aftermath often feel that has struck you the most I think it's the completely chaotic response and the fact that so many people feel completely let down of see the images he says he's brilliant if they could but their teeth many problems I think one was the council government's response it was very very corrupt chaotic it was very very muted and it didn't really even think about feed to stress that people felt either in the towel or in wider problems when they might have barriers around the u.k. The other problem I think is that this is indicative of a huge problem we have been has in but she's about inequality so lots of the problems are the fact that legislation is changed we had what was being a terribly tend the bonfire of red tape in 2012 that led to a lot of these issues with cloudy and go ahead the insulation on the outside of the building that is being blamed for the far as sweeping through the building so quickly so previously just previously some of these things wouldn't wouldn't been allowed on the outside of buildings they are now and you know David Cameron Eric Pickles at the time said it was to encourage building and he said it's encouraged complete meaning and neglect of safety culture and so we have a lot of very poor people who are living in the quotation isn't very faith we're going to come back to Rob and on my other guest Joy Michael and McKayla who's flash were in actually on the 12th floor perhaps you'd like to get in touch on what's up the numbers plus 447-7307 fire. 1925 ben James is in our b.b.c. News room in new Broadcasting House with some of the other top global stories absolutely on newer And Dan one of the stories of course we've been reporting on regularly the last weeks is the operation by Iraqi forces to take back the city of Mosul from militants of the so-called Islamic state I'm going to cover that some more now because it looks like those Iraqi forces are getting closer to their objective you might have seen the reporting of b.b.c. Arabic ferrous Kalani He's embedded with troops there he's been tweeting today some extraordinary images actually he said tweet says in Arabic it's been translated for me on inside the. Military still exposed to ISIS snipers and mortar fire and of course the on the remark is that famous mosque with the leaning minarets now in ruins is the image that Farah posts shows now we can't get through to fire us live that's really difficult where he is but at good Gerard is with me in the studio from b.b.c. Arabic for us his colleague. Ed good the prime minister of Iraq has been tweeting that. We're seeing the end as he puts it of the fake State of the so-called Islamic State is that true is it really that close Have they won yet 1st have to highlight that today is very important day because 3 years ago from today the so-called Islamic state was proclaimed by Mohamed loud Nonny and just a few days later on the 4th of July 2014 this is when Al Baghdadi made his only appear in this in the same or similar same on any dissent such a such as significant sight yet so for the Iraqi government this is a challenge to announce today that something has been achieved actually on the ground something has been achieved but this is not the end of the battle yet we are very close I've been listening to a number of. Service on Iraqi media. Describing the situation on the ground and they said the situation is. The Iraqi forces they have crossed the mosque they have retaken a complex of hospitals that is very crucial for them they are very close to finished the whole city but still snipers are are there and they are all the Iraqi forces are still exposed so they are not free to move inside even inside the mosque itself so it's a military terminology to say that we have retaken It's under fire control by fire it's not a full recapture of the area but this is they can see this is coming this is normal in such battles where you have street fightings and the fierce fighting are between room sometimes house to house and grenades and stuff like that and we should also while you're here talk about the fight against I asked militants in Iraq and Syria briefly a statement has come from the u.s. Backed forces the s.d.f. Syrian democratic forces today to say that they've encircled I asked militants that do we know if that's true for sure well we can't verify this at the moment but it was mentioned by irrelevant source by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. But in the past weeks they've been trying to encircle. The state inside Iraq and getting close and actually fierce fighting are taking place there very close to the heart of the city but the geography is completely different we're not talking about yet about like street fighting same as the old city in Mosul So it's a different geographic but definitely the so-called Islamic State is is not as it was like 2 months or 3 months ago. At go to lad from b.b.c. Arabic thank you very much indeed for bringing us up to date on that really important story. And you listening to ass here on the b.b.c. World Service Ben James in our news room in central London new McGovern is in west London and we'll return to her in our guests in the tower block we've been broadcasting from in a moment just after we hear some of the other stories that we're working on around the b.b.c. One of the top stories on the b.b.c. Europe pages at the moment German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that this year's g. 20 summit will focus on furthering the aims of the Paris climate deal Mrs Merkel said she need the topic may be difficult following Donald Trump's decision to pull the u.s. Out of the Accords but she said tackling climate change remained a priority for Europe Egypt has raised fuel prices by up to 50 percent to meet the terms of the $12000000000.00 i.m.f. Loan deal has a message that we got on Whatsapp from Mad in Alexandria about how it's impacting him severely and really just really affecting our lives really giving us a long commie stake we're talking about the middle class as it cannot really be $270.00 pounds to fill your tank coming in on the Reuters and a.f.p. News agencies it's hackers have killed a police officer during a raid on a jail in the Democratic Republic of Congo's capital Kinshasa it was not clear how the offices died but gunfire was heard at the jail in the Matunga neighborhood it's not known if any prisoners skate the British government have confirmed talks to restore power sharing in the Northern Irish assembly at Stormont have been extended until Monday Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire will make a statement outlining the u.k. Government's intentions then there's a story about Portugal and right on the drip footballer Christiane I run out the birth of twins the days the media. Important Goal have reported that the football was twins had been born to a surrogate mother in the u.s. But it was only after the national team which he kept send were knocked out of the Confederations Cup The Rinaldo confirmed the birth and Sony to start making vinyl records again after an almost 30 year break the Japanese company said surging demand for the retro music format was behind the decision global vinyl revenue will top a 1000000000 dollars this year while sales of C.D.'s and digital downloads continue to fall. Thanks for those headlines Ben is in the news room in the center of London and I am with but hello and some other guests that are here and that didn't know each other before today but I think we know each other pretty well holed up to the past 90 minutes from the b.b.c. World Service We're talking about Grenfell tower we're talking about the aftermath and some of the issues that it raises as well as the immediate needs of those that have survived the fire and Rob Watson our political correspondent is also with us John Foster housing correspondent for The Guardian also here and I was asking them Robyn dawn a few minutes ago about what it says more broadly about Britain and I should bring you enjoy because you've thought about this what the fire has unveiled so to speak about current society is something I'll be different social classes and the fact that many people who are making decisions about social housing. Don't actually live in social housing they visit as a part of their job they don't mix with the general community. Most councillors will but most members of the council. They have the meetings and that's pretty much their meeting with them really and I'd like to see you know on this inquiry. I'd like to see people who actually. I live on the estate that can actually make a real contribution to the inquiry not just. As somebody giving information to it but participating as a part of that whole decision making I think it's really important because some of these people now may have been really successful in their lives they might have lived on a council estate when they were younger but they've been calm really successful throughout their career and that means you to another level in society and you tend to most people tend to want to you know disassociate yourself from social housing even you know your so so you feel there's still a stigma that you are definitely definitely and and and. It's beginning to change now a little bit specially in London because of the housing crisis that's going Robin not I was I was I was only going to ask Joy whether he whether you think that applies specifically and it's a question as well for door to tower blocks because of course in terms of government housing the been far fewer tower blocks built since the 1970 s. Or whether you feel that sort of view of of social housing as being sort of 2nd class and somewhere applies to sort of lower rise houses as well. I think it depends on the location that's one because in some estates there are houses and so the houses generally don't have nearly as many problems I don't think as the Taleb locks do so but definitely if you live in a tower block you're talking to the officials they say yes to your face but your voice often isn't important. And you know many people you know up and down the country I think if you spoke to them they would tell you they make complaints about repairs and doesn't hear from one so much so that we have to leave there because it is coming up to news don't worry because we've another half hour with Rob Choi and my other guests as we broadcast from a careless last in London on the 12th floor overlooking Grenfell tower as we try to make sense really of what happened over the past 2 weeks although there's a lot of questions that remain on Do stay with us spend James out in our London newsroom new McGovern with you on o. S. Africa we hear the fuss. This is the b.b.c. World Service and now we're off to Hong Kong this is a Chinese city $23.00. A very Chinese city a sense of belonging to China it's not ridiculous with British characteristics I'm glad that's going to be a holiday to deter traders the let me stress one of the 3 destroyed from the force to help China to get to where China is today. 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News the rocky prime minister has said the recapture of a famous mosque in the city of Mosul marks a turning point in the battle against Islamic state militants Hyderabadi declared the end of a state of false who'd Iraqi troops have fought their way into the compound of the nudie mosque reports from northern Syria say the city of Raka the capital of Islamic state self-proclaimed Caliph it is not completely encircled by Kurdish and Arab rebel fighters backed by the us Rocco was captured by us militants over 3 years ago a jury in Moscow has found 5 Chechen men guilty of murdering the Russian opposition's most prominent activist but isn't soft near the Kremlin in 2015 police are hunting a former judge and officer who promised them quarter of a $1000000.00 this in a soft family called it a fiasco but the mastermind remains at large e.u. Leaders of the like the German Chancellor Angela Merkel's determination to defend the powers accord in climate change at next week's g. 20 summit a number good despite President Trump rejection of the deal her key partner the French president Emmanuel McCraw said he hoped others would see reason China is reported to have refused requests to allow the Nobel Peace Prize winner Yoshua board to go abroad for treatment the 61 year old who's serving an 11 year prison sentence for subversion has terminal liver cancer the Indian prime minister Narendra Modi has condemned a wave of killings by those professing to be protectors of cones the animals sacred to Hindus he described it as unacceptable President Trump is being condemned for a vicious attack on Mika Brzezinski a journalist from m s n b c on Twitter Mr Trump calls her low i.q. Crazy Mika after her disparaging remarks about his presidency on a breakfast show b.b.c. News. Oh yes from the b.b.c. World Service Ben James is with you in our London newsroom meet minimal government I'm on the 12th floor of a tower block in London the time here in London 1732 and as it gets into evening we are at the balcony that is parked off to so kindly hosting us today overlooks Grenfell tower 24 story building is now completely charred really a skeleton of a building where we know so many people died but we actually don't know the numbers I presumed by police so far but they say the number won't be known until perhaps the end of the year which has turned out to be. Very difficult for a lot of people to take in and understand and it's also raised so many questions about what it's like to live in London about what could have been the causes that led to this far and why the response according to some was so poor when it came to the politicians there is an inquiry that has been set up as well we're going to bring you a couple words from the judge who's been appointed to lead that inquiry in just a few minutes time but if you are with us before the news bulletins you would have heard our political correspondent Rob Watson also speaking with Joy who's one of my guests here who lives in a high rise tower and I should say with a lot of the towers there council housing right so there are government housing you were going to getting into the stigma that there can be speaking about council housing or living in council has ing Granville tower like many others can be cheek by jowl with another very very wealthy area and I suppose there are some Londoners that would never have set foot in a council estate Yes that's true and if you don't have friends and relatives you probably haven't and some people who just by the stigma attached to it would never tell their friends that they live in a council block you know they'd be embarrassed because sometimes the external isn't always maintained well. And sorry just not much or no no no I totally get what you're saying and actually because we were chatting a bit during the news Michael also lives in a council flat he was a vacuum wasted from his number of days ago because it's been deemed unsafe following tests that were carried out on other high rise buildings actually across the u.k. And not just London. So currently in temporary accommodation bus you were talking about when friends come to visit you in your inverted commas council housing Yes my father a number of friends that come over to visit I've spent a lot of time on my flat you know kids know how to make it look really really. Nicette has a floor to ceiling windows panoramic views of Regent's Park Primrose Hill and the London skyline including the London Eye the Charlotte the king and Canary will fix the trial on the 1st reaction is while is this council council housing government housing and they just completely shocked one of my friends but if my good friends hadn't. She. Was absolutely taken aback by how the how the fat and even the block looks it looks like a private a private bloke in between very expensive Georgian Victorian houses and you have these high rises and they've been clouded and they look wonderful and it also does make me question whether they were clouded insulation purposes or to make the area look more like a place of dandelions Yes basically that's what I said about them for wanting it that I actually put the crowd in on so it would look nice to the people of Kenton Telsey when that would happen because I want to reiterate that when I was walking down to ground full tower and the houses that you go by they are some of the wealthiest people probably that are living in London I mean I was struck by young men in their full tennis whites. Coming down though to delay donations for grand full tower but it was just like that was their home was just around the corner but it was a different world once you went half a block and turned around gravel to I mean socio economically a different place don't know completely a lot of people I spoke to. The nation coming down to help said they'd lived in the area all their life and I'd never even walk through the West's 8 I mean I live on and I stay in Clapham and even which is in South Florida and. The wealthy area not quite as wealthy as Kensington but again you know I go down to the high street eat there but a lot of people who live in the high street would never walk through my state and I think that just shows just how much inequality there is in London just have closer together and I think that's where some of the stigma about social housing comes from a lot of it's resentment that people can live in their area that rich people do as well it's yeah it's a conversation I suppose that takes place in cities around the world some would applaud that there are rich and poor side by side others say it shows a segregation side by side I mean I think I think it should be more mixed I think but the fact that poor people could live in Kensington and center of London is obviously brilliant because who else is going to teach in your schools who you know people nurses salaries can't afford to live in Kensington without social housing and if you want to city to function then you have to have people on all pay scales you have to be able to live in these areas if you look at Oxford in the center of England it's very very expensive there and and it means that a lot of schools and I'm struggling to get teachers a lot of the hospitals are having staff shortages you need to have a social mix in any city in any town should we listen to a little of the newly appointed chairman of what's called the ground full tower public inquiry increase his main. He has suggested that it's remiss may be limited to the causes and response to the fire rather than considering the wider issues kind of some of them that we're getting into here on Earth from the b.b.c. World Service and also about the extent to which the views of residents were listened to by the authorities he speaking to the B.B.C.'s Tom said it sounds as if it's an enormous tragedy and I can honestly say I've never seen anything like that building which is now completely gutted so that you can see through it in many places it's very difficult even after having heard some of the former residents to understand what a terrifying experience it must be to find yourself in that building without any obvious means of escape as the smoke started to rise so having said that I'm absolutely determined that this inquiry will be open and full and will cover all the ground so that we reach conclusions that are reliable and can prevent anything like this happening again you've met residents and survivors of the fire don't you know this morning they have told us they want you to consider the societal issues around this fire this is science in this area not being listened to quite a broad point does that lens or in so you were thinking of what you can look at I've been asked to undertake this inquiry on the basis that it would be pretty well limited to the problem surrounding the start of the fire in its rapid development in order to make recommendations as to how this sort of scene can be prevented in the future now I'm well aware that the residents and the local people want a much broader investigation and I can fully understand why they would want it whether my inquiry is the right way in which to achieve that I'm more doubtful and I'll give that some sort and in due course make a recommendation but there may be other ways in which that desire for an investigation can be satisfied otherwise than through the work that I'm going to do . Ok So that sounds kind of limited Joy do you think you can have the inquiry just based on the causes and the response without the wider issues definitely not you need to focus on the wider issues in the community the be the social impact the financial and affordability of the people their salaries education you know if there's a misunderstanding I think amongst are a lot of people in government but people who live on housing estates are not really highly educated they're lots of highly educated people there are lots of knowledgeable people there I mean often they're able to challenge sometimes when they're proposing work they're often able to challenge what somebody is proposing to them but because they're not on the council they can't impose their views you are in Westminster you've seen these debates that are taking place what do you think is resonating or not with the politicians. It's a hard question to answer I mean I think maybe I'm being too generous to the politicians I don't know I mean I do think that although Britain is currently consumed with with debating Brax it I do think politicians of all sides are concerned about inequality and of course that the ground fault disaster is a stroke in this into stark relief and I remember for example David Cameron I mean not many people remember him these days do they giving a speech after that's well it's a former British prime minister yes but of course I didn't and in the conservative speech the Conservative Party conference off the 2015 general election before obviously got undone by Bracks it saying that this new conservative government needed to look at those people that weren't doing so well in other words I'm going to cut myself short as we can everybody else I think I think lots of politicians in Britain really are aware maybe not in the kind of granular detail of the consequences of inequality but the real question is do any of them have any really bright side is that wouldn't that would fix it without actually making the economy or Britain worse and I think that's and that's obviously the debate that the politicians are having and we the voters a kind of trying to figure out ourselves John is there a failure of imagination I think so I think at the moment if we do look an inquiry that just looks at that I saw the fire and the thing and the very material things that led to that and we can't just haven't had a fire all it takes is another you know not to listen to residents to disregard residents and that's why I think we need to see change of opinion about housing and about how we treat people in special hands in but also how people link to local government but also national government I think people need to be listened to not just in the inquiry but across the u.k. And I really really think that we need to change a lot. We are in the Caylus last on the 12th floor we're broadcasting this is just one of the locations of us today as I speak to Joy Michael Kaylor Don and Rob at Ben James is in our London newsroom and he's across off the top global stories and one of those new There is a court case that we've been following that we've been expecting at Dick's on for quite some time in Russia we're going to spend some time in Moscow now talking about it is Asian by jury to find 5 men guilty of involvement in the murder of the Russian opposition politician self and let's speak to the B.B.C.'s leg bolder as he were with us from our bureau in Moscow like just remind us who was born is no soft was probably the most prominent opposition leaders if you take the entire post Soviet Russian history because he used to be the regional governor he was called into Boris Yeltsin's government he became the deputy prime minister there and just as like the report in star was rising Mr Mims of quit the government and he became a very fierce critic of Mr Putin for the entire 16 years of his rule very critical preparing whatsoever and the medical reports about corruption he was in the process of preparing one of the war in Ukraine organizing rallies sometimes been detained for his exhibit is but who could have imagined that he would be murdered and that happened late at night in 2015 he was walking near the Kremlin in Moscow on a bridge so tell us about the 5 men and what they've been found guilty of today the 5 men were arrested quite soon after the murder which really shocked not only the opponents of Mr Putin but politicians in Kremlin as well initially. The main accused Mr Zola the dire who is a soldier in the church an army he admitted to have killed bodies Noons of his motive as he said was the. Of Charlie Hebdo massacre because Mr himself was very critical of Muslims who can take up arms against journalist but later Mr that I have retracted his confessions that was extorted under torture anyway the process started in October and so for those months the trial had been slowly going to conclusion and this is a trial in which there were not 2 but 3 part it was prosecution there was defense and it was also lawyers representing them so family who all along was saying that even if their support broader support the findings concerning the killers they would never agree there's murders being solved because the main question who paid the money we know now it's 15000000 dollars roughly $250000.00. $50000000.00 rules who paid the money who organized this killing this is still not clear and they say the same thing now the case is not closed and is there any idea there is a name that the author or have put out there is someone that trying to find but is there any real idea about who might who did this and why not at all the person who do that who is still officially in search. That's a driver for one of the top commanders in church an army who is now also disappeared so obviously a person who's been doing the driver duty would not have any motives and probably not even a commander in the army would you know a strictly regimented person would have a motive to go and kill and that's why the lawyers for him so family was saying all along we need to talk to the Chechen president arrives and got rid of he needs to be questioned they were calling for him to be brought to this. Trial in Moscow as a witness so he could be questioned no this motion along with dozens of others for dozens of other witnesses potential witnesses this was all dismissed by the court like Bulger I thank you very much indeed for bringing us up to date with that story that is 5 men at. Guilty in connection with the murder of the Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov. Let me take you through some of the stories from across the b.b.c. Here on asd Ben James with here in our studio in central London will rejoin new McGovern in just a moment in a tower block in the west of London and the lead story in our Middle East desk at the moment is that the Iraqi prime minister has said that the recapture of the famous mosque in the city of Mosul marks a turning point in the battle against so-called Islamic State militants this man who's a resident of a neighborhood from which those militants were driven out said the future of the city is still unclear liberated areas. They are not completely. They are not all 'd killed. I don't know how. After they will be treated over on the b.b.c. Africa life page a woman has taken a male colleague to course in South Africa alleging that he secretly filmed her as she expressed breast milk at her workplace the man who's been suspended by the University of Cape Town is alleged to have set up a live link in a private room at the institution on the 13th of June and African football story it's about Nigerian seconds here side mighty Jets f.c. There from the city of Joss and x.x. 40 players from their 65 months squad for performing below the club's expectations currently 7 out of 13 in the northern conference of the Nigerian National League they've also snapped up a further 10 new players the top story over the b.b.c. Technology pages the Pats are where the business is around the world may not have been an attempt to make money that's according to some security experts the malicious program demanded a payment to unlock files that scrambled on infected machines however a growing number of research has now believed the program was launched just to destroy data. And one of the most read stories over it. It's about Hannibal Burress who stars in the upcoming Spider-Man film sent a look alike to the film's premiere in Los Angeles he tweeted l.a. I need a look alike with solid comedic timing for an event tonight pays 5 $100.00 the stunned then Joe Carroll was so good some people didn't realize he wasn't the real deal. 1750 in the evening here in London thanks to Ben for the headlines. While you were giving those headlines ban and rubbish that you know as well robots in our political correspondent 2 of my gas both joy and Michael are sitting on the sofa beside McKayla this is McKay this house that remains on the 12th floor of a high rise building and as I mentioned it overlooks Grenfell tower will they decided to get up during that last story and just go out on the balcony to look. Joy do you want to talk about. What happened here story I became really. To actually see the block in real life the pictures the image see on the television. It just doesn't do it any justice it's just awful it really is awful and for the number of people that have lost their lives in the flat there is no way we should settle for a short cut in an inquiry those people that lost their lives their lives must account for real change in this country it must. Because the strange thing about London is you can walk and depending on where you are you might not see the tower it's kind of. The way that the urban planning is in London and then if you come up obviously to something that's level with it there is in front of you and Michael I just I mean that was the 1st time I've I've seen in that horrific horrific image. In person I mean it just makes me angry and sad what kind of society if we call minutes. Sour fish lack of compassion the way those people died. It's just absolutely disgusting and I'm just you know battle where somebody died and of course this is on my careless balcony so I look at it every day and I just think of him and my maybe it's because I'm a mother I just think of them poor children and both children and that the woman who left the block with 5 children got on with 3. Just heartbreaking as far as I'm concerned. We we have to as a society we you know we've become so much more about money and our own immediate family is we we've just forgot about love you know if you think from a position of love then you care about your neighbor What about loving your neighbor as yourself you just don't hear that anymore you know there was one story that my heard that some of our listeners might have heard earlier he was a survivor from Grenfell tower he was on the 4th floor actually just close to where the fire started and he told me the story you know because there are some details beginning to come out that some families went up so they would be with one another when they died actually to be together because I think they put appears to be that they knew they wouldn't be able to escape at that point I mean it is and was and is an incredibly close community. Rob I believe you have a statement that has come in from some of the latest from the Grenfell residents yes I do I was just looking at it here it's a press release from the Lancaster West resident support group I won't read the whole thing but the headline in all of this that the residents are shocked and disappointed at some reason may open quotations or failed promise on ground felt how far and quiet since the residents of your state surrounding the ground state suppressed disappointment it's reason most failure to consult them on the public inquiry into the fire despite her previous promises to include them and we have one resident quoted. Amanda fan and as the last of 12 year old cousin the foster prime minister did not even response one email requesting direct involvement on the establishment of the public inquiry she's already appointed a judge who has told us the inquiry will be very narrow she promised to consult us on this but it's completely gone back on my promise we are deeply disappointed so that's a flavor of the reaction and I think just to be absolutely sort of precise about this that the prime minister didn't appoint didn't choose the judge that's done by by the Chancellor asks the chief justice in other words a judge a judge decided on the on the precise person and I think it's still the case that the that there's going to be further consultation with local residents about the scope of the inquiry but it's certainly the case that the man appointed already has seemed to seem to sort of be paving the way for a more narrowly focused investigation than perhaps some people had hoped for. Him to see a comment coming in for Joy Michael and McKayla and Sam listening to you here in Brisbane Australia and it's a heartbreaking situation and I wish you the very best and that's George she is getting in touch if each likes respond to. Thank you George. We really appreciate the love that we've had from around the world for. The farm is that were affected. And everyone who lives in a tower block has been affected in some small way no matter how far you all. You know so we really do appreciate that we really to thank you. Do you think it will same Also I come back to me again because a lot of the things he said struck me as he gave his story because he wants a true main in the public consciousness. Some talk about this as a seminal moment or a game changer other feel others feel that perhaps it could take decades for real change to come I be curious how the 3 of you that are seated on this sofa and McHale's apartment feel do you think Grenfell will change anything on a grand scale I think there has to really I mean. We as people we need to make it happen we need to we can we need to force the government to listen an example be an austerity when it comes to social housing and safety cost every 2 should not be an issue you cannot put a price on lives. It's on lives it's just. As I see and from the balcony. The. That the system is per process and all of those lives by a failure and failing the move they've been filed and now people are still being felt that the government still seems not to be listening. Even to the joy in my evacuation there's still no one from the government it's come to council volunteers local councils there's still no one from the government helping or given any assistance whatsoever. Joy I think. These people that are the government the government people those people are being paid by our council tax and our taxes they're accountable to us it can't be just about being headline news and being in the public eye well how how do you explain them because I did hear from a lot of people that were angry that they felt the people that should've been on the ground in those days following were no loss they weren't good Nungarrayi I'm serious it was a mishmash all fair information why do you think that happened McKayla. That's a good question they just didn't complete lack of communication complete communication with everybody. I'm surprised that. That that they were more organized because my understanding is that all councils should have an emergency planning team that when an incident of this nature I mean I know this is unprecedented but for any major incident everyone is on call to make himself available to coordinate the safety of its residents and I mean you know for the people that live abroad each on average each London has about 250000 residents you know so you know these people should be there for us so let's see what happens perhaps we'll come back if McHale is kind enough to let us come back another day you've been so kind to let us picture up at 4 o s for the past couple of hours thanks also to our political correspondent Don Foster who has gone from the Guardian. And she's the housing correspondent there is a meeting that's taking place type of media is not allowed and neither are the residents which dog was telling us about a little later we're not going to let this story go away we're going to continue covering it on the West thanks very much McKayla you know we're on the 12th floor of this building in her home and thanks also to Michael enjoy I wish you all the best practice to thank you. This is the b.b.c. World Service and here's what's coming up in the next part of our series The Truth about cancer cells that have become abnormal in turn white and on and visits Tanzania to find out how simple screening procedures can change women's lines and it's as simple as that yes just with a nigger if to make the truth about cancer at b.b.c. World Service dot com slash discovery and it's 1930 g.m.t. 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