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In the Bronx it divorce offer but in return they want Brussels to move on to trade talks next month or political correspondence is in what's the key thing will be things officially briefed at this meeting by Delhi street the very terrace to line statement when them says that they want to move in step with the e.u. But the other phrase was that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and that was a key message that if the e.u. Basically doesn't go down the road of trade talks then the money that was getting put on the table the extra cash can just as easily be taken off again patients across the carry being asked to start ordering repeat prescriptions online to help save time and the n.h.s. Money and the report found that the medicines in the process is costing $8000000000.00 pounds a year 43 percent of the population is reliant on some form of long term medication Germany is in a political crisis unprecedented in its post-war history after talks to form a coalition government failed Jones Langley Merkel says she'd rather have another election than lead a minority administration for a stable country for a country that has so many challenges to face a minority government is something you would want to look at very very carefully. I won't say Never today but I am very skeptical and I think new elections would be the better solution Zimbabwe's ruling Zanu p.f. Policy set to begin proceedings today to impeach President Robert Mugabe military chief say the Asad vice president and the Gagra is expected to arrive back in the country for talks with Mr Mugabe Well Jean his Navy says its missing submarine reported a mechanical breakdown in its last communication it's been missing for 6 days with $44.00 crew on board a noise picked up by sonar equipment wasn't from the sub Erik vanity and as a naval analyst the biggest challenge right now is going to be locating a subbranch so that they can actually figure out what the challenge is what the problem is and how to respond to that and each minute hour that goes by the chances decrease if they cannot find the submarine a British camera operators died while shooting a stunt for a b.b.c. Drama in Ghana Mark Milsom whose credits include Saving Private Ryan and sheer luck was working on the forgiving earth when the incidence of Kurds President Truman says the u.s. Is really designating North Korea a state sponsor of terrorism 9 years after it was removed from the list and also announced additional sanctions today is a North American editor John Sopel this should be seen as part of Donald Trump's effort to give maximum pressure on North Korea to get it to fall into line or maybe the biggest effect will not be on sanctions imposed by the United States but in the actions of 3rd party countries who may trade with the u.s. And with North Korea who feel that they may face the wrath of America if they continue to trade with North Korea u.s. 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Around the u.k. On digital and online Iraq and reform. The Zimbabwe military's efforts to attain respectability for the takeover they began last week were on display on Monday the day before Zimbabwe's parliament will meet to discuss impeaching President Robert Mugabe general Constantino Chiwenga revealed that the code name for the almost bloodless takeover please don't call it a coup was Operation Restore legacy whose legacy quite bizarrely it would be that of the mom they're seeking to replace the problem was 93 year old Robert Mugabe is even his own party sees it is that for years the tail has been wagging the dog and the real power has resided in the hands of his currently invisible wife Grace. A see a figure in Zimbabwe's governing party Zanu p.f. Says Party decided to impeach President Mugabe later on Tuesday final vote could be taken as soon as Wednesday Paul Mungo enough spoke to journalists outside a meeting of all the Zanu p.f. M.P.'s He said Mr Mugabe who's $93.00 will stand accused of giving too much power to his wife Grace of not respect him Constitution and of no longer having the capacity to run the country I've been speaking to gift money p.t. a Political analyst in the hut Adi President Mugabe is being increased by his party's isn't clear for them to take place. For. Simple. So if it does. Appear. In the my line. And a disc empowered for a long time Will. Pick. A must to. Account for. All people are waiting or. Getting tickets or whatever. What are the chances of the impeachment motion posturing because of a high number of serial going through the line. Or increasing all but never mind what. I think you or I had. A cure to reacclimate because. In all fairness the. Recording the call of the Red Lion into account go pick listen we've come a lot so they are seriously sole goal definitively. They have talked to couple of times about Mugabe having the opportunity to come off to his critics How would he come off to them if by any chance whatever was to get back. For control over it of power. Then he won't do it like what he a done in the last 40. 8 hours on a clear. Build with coal put him. In the bin i.q. Level so many presidents ended up in prison whole family of even. To some fake. One killed and so forth full over to his party all of those things I think. All 3 are pitching know how to fix. Is. A very tall order. What about the rule played by grace porn dismisses Mugabe and the justification for the impeachment motion. I think the onus to. There's been. All of this less if you go into the real reason why. The president isn't club or isn't the 1st lady is to get. A bunch o. It's 9 to 4 is supposedly to narrow is tired and so forth and the bird in the phone his color of Europe. Or the fiscal cliff and because of the setlist the most intelligent person she or abused. Both powers will she go for the president in the mid so many minutes. In his carrying out of the house but what kind of things was she able to do that that you know when he was giving up giving her the ability or will it affect is not. A good. Influence to sort of today. There are a bunch on the whole point and will to disappoint from theory if I'm a wake up image of the club or the other it's out for a few weeks of all over. The cabinet in Harare and members are lying to the ira faction duckies uncle gov They were all dropped the phone companies ended up not been put in a governor's doing while our own. It is faded out as if it slid prevailed over him also 2 times in the recent years to act as she pleased so prism another was able to cope with the free and induced coma with because of influence or forgetful Guardian and remember if you followed public opinion that is what the series it was that Alice. Through. The following below the following week for example shifts very difficult politically rather strained to deal and dismiss the. Vice President in the saloon and in the straw is a sample of an experience the homeowner go exist but. And was it possible she was actually running on her husband were there any suggestion that she was actually in charge of him both horrific. Mr McGovern has become the default operated and. Was over the Mugabe. Dust of the. End of the republic and you can see this particular line that she woke the people of that she had befriended her prior to. Becoming too powerful in the streets the decor that supported him hypocritical Kariya or the model of becoming too powerful and well positioned in the political moment of the republic and you can feel the risk was not a little bit about your way of doing things one thing when the last. Or what is normal how to cope with experiences political activists artists all alone within their own and part of the subtle from it minute in some set of ball of betraying the different tribes the different factions then the different groups of the too intelligent for his powers but when Mr Mugabe disagrees in missing totally or the wind of the ways and driven to Mugabe begin being. Decisive And so it's a little old for uniting the party he was to pull in the previous. Gift from Zimbabwe well in the papers this morning The Guardian reports that leave is under investigation by the Electoral Commission a meter 18 months after the vote. As to whether it breached the referendum spending limit of $7000000.00 pounds which was set under electoral law and whether a contribution to a particular campaign run by a young fashion design student actually fell under permissible spending it's all explained in the Guardian elsewhere in the papers we have what else we have we've got. Lots and lots and lots of pictures of Paul Hollywood. He appears and in many of the papers today. Splitting up with his wife the great British break up who can resist that headline and in the. And the the other papers the Daily Mail says you can always scan for cancer in the supermarket car park it's a scheme to try to up the rate of cancer detection and then of course there are lots of pictures of this chest looking chance America with our hand over our eye. In the telegraph in the Times and in the Financial Times. All of them discuss the collapse of the coalition negotiations well Financial Times says that plus some of the other late breaking stories from Monday as we will hear now from the analysis editor Fred stood him well you know lots of big stories to start the week off with only one that came late on Monday was the Cabinet subcommittee meeting on breakfast and this is where . The government is sort of moving now to try and sort of find a way some form of compromise possibly with the e.u. 27 for the other side of the negotiating table and it's around the cash and basically. 'd sort of you know they discussed this committee upping the amount of the Britain will be prepared to contribute as part of its exit from the so-called divorced Bill if you will there remember this there was a gulf here this is one of the 3 things they need to sort out sort of break the logjam and move on to the bits that we're really interested in discussing which is the future relationship the future trading relationship above all and what you had was a good old fashioned standoff with London you know Max whatever it is 20000000000 euros And the other side saying they thought it was more much higher than that sort of around 60 or so now there's indications that London is raising prepared to raise its offer but what was clear that was coming out of this. Out of the from the men of the cabinet was only if we get something in return to be Boris Johnson saying you know you have to get something for something that's right paraphrasing of his words and that means you know saying we need to see some more details in terms start getting a signal of walk the transition 'd deal a transition deal if we go for that would look like that which is what a lot of people assume what a trading relationship we look might start to look like so it's starting to sort of move in a direction where if things for 'd right you can envisage a situation I think the government hopes to start sort of finalizing the details around the details are understood I think they'll be reluctant to go too much into detail in terms of giving an actual figure because that in the goshes obviously want to hold back but they can start talking about saying what type of things you know the u.k. Would be prepared to discuss paying for and from that you can then start to do is figure get vac whole process you know get that sort of finalized around the end of the summer just to be on the end of the 1st week of December and that gives use 5 or 6 days ahead of the European Council summit meeting which they may December. And and then there's that complementary story if you like about the big European agencies the Madison's agency moving out of London and heading to mainland Europe yeah sort of again quite dramatic things Monday evening where voting on 2 agencies currently housed in London the European Medical Medicines Agency and the European Banking Authority the big big regulator e agencies there was lots of interest from across the continent from other cities bidding lots of speculation of how that might go it didn't quite go according to what the sort of smart received wisdom was which probably is in keeping with the spirit of our times ended up the banking agency going to Paris not as had been thought possibly Frankfurt or Dublin and the a.m.a. The Medicines Agency going to Amsterdam those are those sort of the perhaps even more short because they've been a very strong push by Bratislava back in the city making quite a strong compelling case that you know there needs to be one of these big agencies in Central and Eastern Europe these being the sort in you are members of the e.u. Who might you know welcome a signal of you know they were part of this whole system Well now both of them have gone to sort of traditional Western European centers both for stablished I think there was already some reports when a decision came out that sort of sense of this is kind of bricks being made real you know these are things that are now going to happen and people working in London currently those agencies are seen as staying in a job well now they think looking at housing opportunities in Amsterdam and Paris Well Mrs America was in all sorts of bother in Germany unable seems to form a coalition government to say I have to make a bowler's Well it's quite a bit of I mean quite a this was again another sort of shock this one actually came late on. But it certainly sort of power you know set the week off to a brisk start yeah the breakdown seemingly at the last minute or the speculation that maybe the Liberal Party in Germany the f.t.p. Had planned beforehand to walk away but they left or right until the end when they did and that brings an end to almost 2 months of talks have produced nothing and Germany is now a situation where you know the options are all a bit. Under settling that put it that way I mean the chancellor. Try and explain go back and explore an option of a so-called grand coalition with the Social Democrats with whom she was in partnership however they said no and people are saying that if there was ever to be such an alliance revisited it would have to be without Merkel she can try and have a minority government that hasn't ever worked a modern job and it's never been one of those in modern post-war Germany history and that would not be the sort of symbol of stability just at a time when that's what people many people across the continent even around the world are looking to Germany for annealed other one is to have you elections I mean there is a slim chance or maybe they could somehow we establish links with the the Liberal Party the Free Democrats and try and bring them back into the talks what realistic that in anyone's expecting that even though the present attorneys tried to sort of encourage all people to sort of calm down and think again and. Recall their responsibility to govern so we could be in a situation where Germany is heading into fresh elections in the new year mark of the self obviously effect back. But there is a view that she sort of initially have handled this in quite a sort of stateswoman like way projecting a common sort of saying you know she's not about resigning saying she would be a very she would be she would run again. And seek to win if they stay they go if they do get a fresh election for the moment it's all pretty you know things are sort of very fluid but you sense the given the. Difficulty of making some of those earlier options that I mentioned to you work that we might have to brace ourselves for fresh elections in Germany and then stand back and take in what we've been discussing earlier on I mean water's a do in terms of the capacity to also focus on other issues internationally should begin to issues that Germany needs to engage with you know you've got a new president far too raring to go with initiatives of how to revive the e.u. How to revive the eurozone you've got the big international strategic challenges being posed by Putin in Russia to Europe by the migration crisis still. Ongoing by a sort of you know a new style of leadership in the White House and then somewhere in all of that you've got breakfast. Rights to them and now the Financial Times Well they convicted cult leader Charles Manson's you know by know who are cast sated as seas of notorious murders in the sixty's has died in California in jail he was 80 in 969 members of his group were implicated in the killings of 7 people including the Hollywood actress Sharon Tate brutally murdered when she was 8 months pregnant with a child by her husband film director Roman Polanski Manson was sentenced to death in 1981 but shortly after his term was commuted to life imprisonment or into an action of the California Supreme Court I spoke to Simon Wells who wrote the book Charles Manson coming to fast and then the thing is I mean let's let stats take this in context. Los Angeles is a very violent place so when I did my book on the Manson phenomena coming down fast I tracked the murder figures for southern California California say to California since 96 and I know it's truly staggering 10001000 so what elevates this what makes this as many people said the crime the 20th century. It might be on part of some. But Sharon Tate wasn't included in the murder toll would you and I be talking about this tonight if Hollywood was in the location for these killings and it happened to be in one of the more impoverished areas of Los Angeles but we've been talking about this 4050 years on I think the answer is No it was an attack on Hollywood it was an attack on celebrity. As I through my research is the time. 100 Texas where it attaches to the taking. If it was a drug dealing gang in Los Angeles one or 2 I would probably be sawed off in complete ties sort of like Roman Polanski's wife. Yeah I mean it was it's a celebrity killing on Hollywood the focus was on them this is not to sort of be an apologist for the crimes and this is not to so that I write her Hora of the crimes because it was her respect series of killings that's not you can't take a life you know Sharon Tate was pregnant it's a particularly gruesome murder but again why are we talking about it because that was a celebrity. You know there's been many such. Cult killings if you want to check that I saw the annals of. History and I will people's attention to you know if you want a real cult goes to Jim Jones in 1979 I found some people died at the behest of a you know masonically. Guy on a San Francisco correct and. So real that's a real cult getting to this is just it's it's crazy because I think celebrity has woven itself into the story and Manson as well was so clever enough to align himself with the Beatles and not as a member of the Beach Boys and wanted to be a rock star so it's as much a tile. As much a child of a celebrity than anything else is I mean it really was the case was that he befriended Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys basin before all this happened that's correct and. If one wishes to so check such things there was a magazine in the sixty's called right if magazine which was a sort of the British magazine I see of the Journal of. Pop culture and Dennis Wilson is in there saying he signs this guy called Charles Manson to his record like you know. It's. You know again it's he had Doris I had impeccable contacts and those contacts were the high session ones all of the entertainment industry there was other people involved which I was not able to name at the time and probably still want to keep quiet who were fraternizing with months and so you know they were still alive and they. Were Young was one who actually came out and said the yeah he championed the monstrous Cona at the time but there's other people who really didn't want to talk about it but you know it's still very raw I think a lot of people be sleep a little happier. Because society cost a long shot at that time people still saying that the Manson family as such is still so active dormant waiting to be reactivated by Manson and some. People think that's only because Manson let them think that already tried to and because I think that is that I think even the prosecutor is guilty of that as well because the prosecutor constructed a fantastic fantastic in the fantastical sense case against Munson which made I thought I concerns a low rates a low rent media challenge to busk had influence I saw teenagers into some global Messiah or intent on taking over the world. And he was not in fight you know praja the killings he wasn't really capable of very much. So the trial which took place you know Manson and his cohorts in 1970 s. And one video so it was a show a show trial. And it helped secure the celebrity of the prosecutor and several other lawyers by constructing such I fantastical case against Benz. So I want to Wells wrote the book Charles Manson coming down fast at half past 4. 5 Premier League football and you want to see this is b.b.c. 5 Live news comes from Kevin McGrath The b.b.c. Understands has been agreed the government should increase its financial offer to the year was Britain leaves but this will be in return for the e.u. Starting talks in December about a future trade deal the German chancellor Angela Merkel says she prefer new elections to leading a minority governments talk some forming a coalition of broken down after one of the 2 smaller parties she'd been negotiating with pull downs the ruling party in Zimbabwe is expected to begin impeachment proceedings later today against President Robert Mugabe so new p.f. 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New research suggests what many of them have already concluded which is that backpackers and foreign students are being exploited biased show you an employer's study by 2 universities show a 3rd of temporary workers being paid only half the minimum wage are certainly correspondent how Griffith us here hello how morning to write Ross a well worn path isn't it you go to cilia and you go and you get a job doing something and you hope to get enough money to go to the beach at the end of it Oh absolutely but $200000.00 backpackers all temporary visa holders coming to Australia every year and a lot of them as you say looking to in some monies they travel at least just enough to keep that travelling going in the sunshine and a lot of them actually stay here to do $88.00 days of work in rural areas to live and have a 2nd year visa to keep that summer rolling on but there are I think well established and well founded concerns about that industry and the risk of exploitation so this academic survey try to get to the bottom of it try to get some numbers because what a lot of people have gone on so far has been fairly anecdotal this at least gives some data for people to delve into. So are all the people who come actually getting the right paperwork is something that the government has the answers to. So the people have been surveyed in different categories some temporary visa holders for once and these are. Foreign students who also have the right to work here in order to supplement their money for studying the treatment will also be heard stories because you should see that number again just in case anybody missed. The numbers the 417 temporary worker visa so if you're a British person coming here for example you've got the right to travel and work for a year and you can extend that by doing 88 days of work often farm worker fruit picking to qualify for a 2nd year but this academics study looked at both the backpacker community and foreign students and saw there were common concerns and common problems and they basically came down to under payment for many people or people simply not being given the right treatment for example not being given paperwork or only around half actually had to pay slips leaving them very little to go with to complain if they felt they were they were wrongly treated and are the sectors that are bigger offenders in others. Yeah the main culprit seems to be the horticulture and agriculture sector that depends on these temporary workers a lot of fruit picking a lot of farms they're the ones that have been longstanding concerns but but also it's picked up on problems in cafes and restaurants in that service sector a lot of people coming through big cities like Sydney where I am for example they will hope to pick up a bar job or something like that a lot of it seems is done cash in hand but not enough cash so overall around one in 3 people only being given the equivalent of about 12 pounds being given. Half of the 12 pounds an hour they should be entitled to so the minimum wage here in Australia $22.00 an hour but people only getting about $12.00 per hour well is there any resentment by all of these temporary workers you know who come in to do these jobs it's a common argument you hear another I've interviewed farm holders people with food companies there are some tribes locally about people coming in taking their jobs but from the employers point of view they're often jobs they can't fill otherwise straightly has a huge grin horticulture sector pretty heavy manual work picking whatever fruit it is or digging stuff out of the ground and so people have told me they simply can't get local people to do those jobs and that's why the backpacker workforce is so we important. I think there is why the recognition of that this situation isn't sustainable because Strayer is does have a fair work on which money has regulations in place for its own strain and population people recognise that they should be given that same fair go as they say here to people who visit to work of course backpackers are not unionized rather. No And I guess one of the other issues is that there is almost an endless supply if the backpackers stopped coming that might actually hasten some kind of greater regulation or think more unfortunate of the rules that already exist so as you say they're not unionized they may not know their rights however one myth this study has punctured is the idea that people who turn appear to work as backpackers don't know how much money they should be earning those surveyed over 4000 people most knew the minimum wage and many knew that they weren't getting it so I think in these days of Internet sort of information being widely available it's not the people turn up maybe not knowing their rights it's they don't feel empowered particularly when again you're talking about rural settings where they might feel isolated and sometimes beholden to the farm operators often work deal comes with accommodation included you need to pay a bond people often paying before they actually get work so there is an element in a minority of cases people feeling sort of beholden and they don't have the power to demand their rights even if they know them. Thanks very much well Cindy is waiting for us in Taiwan Good morning Cindy Good morning Ron. Wrote a missing fighter pilot I take it he was missing with his jet. Yes this has been a mystery that's been. Plaguing Taiwan Taiwan Society for the past week and a half or so he went missing on November 7th during a routine training exercise and he his plane disappeared from the radar screens off northern Taiwan and they still after so many days still have no idea what happened to him they have been reports from commercial jet pilots that they have received distress signals over a certain. Waters near Taiwan but the Ministry of National Defense says they have also received those sick knows but they data are not sure if that's the actual plane of this pilot now displaying is a mirage 2000 fighter jet that was purchased by Taiwan from France back in the 1990 s. So it's about 20 years old and it has displayed of planes have been grounded because of this investigation into this accident but it has raised questions about the safety of Taiwan's fighter jets because many of them are quite old as you know Taiwan has difficulties buying weapons including fighter jets from other countries and France got a lot of heat from China when it's so these planes to Taiwan back in the 1990 s. And so far now only the u.s. The only country does willing to sell weapons to Taiwan so this disaster that involving this fighter jet and this pilot has raised all kinds of questions about whether Taiwan is properly equipped to defend itself especially given that China's defense spending is many times more than that of Taiwan. A great big church operation. Yes there is the Navy and the Air Force have sent a vessel as an planes to the area where he is believed to have been training at the time and they have come up with very little clues there was no distress warning sent from his plane and it is no evidence that yet you Jack took from the plane so that this is a fighter pilot who has is very experienced I has performed well but the Ministry of Defense says he did suffer from tendonitis last years and he was he stopped flying for about 8 months starting in May last year but then he later on returned to work and he had passed or sort of checks and was doing well so it is not really sure what happened and so the government if right now looking into whether there was equipment failure and what if there was any kind of human error in terms of maintenance of the plane is there any history of losses of mirage but yes yes there have been previous accidents in. Including 4 accidents 2 of which involved 2 pilots being killed and the other pilots there were 4 other pilots who successfully ejected from their planes but the planes have since been upgraded of 4 did have undergone technical upgrades so there was there was less concern about you know this sort of thing happening but this latest incident has you know we new concerns about Taiwan's entire fleet of fighter jets as well as the other fighter jets including the ones purchase from the u.s. And also the ones that are self built and we often think that one of the reasons for the success of Chinese industry low pay and long hours. Taiwan a problem is trying to do something to change the image and give people more sensible time off. Right well one of the untold stories of the the Asian tigers and the economies that have grown so rapidly in from the 1980 s. Is that the workers have actually been in the enabling this to happen but Taiwan in a government has long been trying to to find a way to bring about work life balance for workers and especially because it considers itself now a developed economy no longer a developing economy it's considered a rich you know society so late last year the government passed a law that allows deadly quires employers to give workers 2 days off each week now many of us in developed countries take def a graduate but in Taiwan only 60 percent of the people had been getting 2 days off a week 40 percent of them were not getting 2 days off we might at 100 you know it might be staggered it was very uncertain but the government wanted to do something about us today passed this law and they also require under just new law that employers pay proper overtime so they would force employers to pay overtime in a range so if for instance if you work 2 hours and but that would be considered in the 4 hour range so the employer would have to pay you full 4 hours of overtime and the overtime payment scale was also increase dad scared off a lot of employers so in the past year they have been closing up shop early they have been. Sending workers home and that has actually cause the dissatisfaction among the workers because they ended up making mess money so now the government is under pressure to revise this law and still latest proposal you know it sounds kind of scary but it's actually going back to the old days as workers are now allowed to work for 12 days. With just one day off in the beginning and one day off in the end so basically they can work for 12 consecutive days without a day off and the overtime pay has now been reduced to just the actual number of hours worked not the range in which they were due and also workers now are allowed to work up to 54 hours of overtime each each month that's more than $46.00 before so that this this new proposal still needs to be voted on by just a chair and the labor groups are already protesting over this even though surveys show actually 60 percent of people support Levis in this law to make it more like the old days when they had to work for work more overtime where they had to work more hours at the amazing they want the money. That's the bottom line is that. While our attention is elsewhere in East Asia China and Taiwan no going on so great. Yes but ironically this this year decelerating the 30th anniversary of the 2 a former enemies resuming contact with each other back in 1987 when Taiwan lifted martial law and began allowing its citizens to go to China to to visit their relatives in China and that you know that led to a lot of emotional. You know reunions the kind that we see between South Korea and North Korea and also led to a lot of mainland wife's marrying Taiwanese men coming over here and. Uniting with their husband or marrying Taiwanese men who you know were veterans who who had been had come from China so and that led to you know an unprecedented booming in trade so but then this this this anniversary is being marked mostly by Taiwan now in fact China was so upset that this current administration that it didn't even allow 2 of the scholars to come over here to attend a joint conference on historical ties between the 2 sides and the reason Beijing a subset is because the current administration still has not agreed to recognize that Taiwan is a part of China and that has led to a long stalemate between the 2 sides assumes nowhere near ending. Terms from what you say is of really any prospect of anything changing there China's attentions obviously somewhere else at the moment yes. Thank you. Thank you Jim joining us this morning from Taipei. Well we finish with an extraordinary photograph it was a tintype and it was taken in the $880.00 s. To be precise was taken in 1980 when photos were so pretty novel and people like. Charles Dodgson who is Lewis Carroll were taking pictures of their friends and the other people they went to visit so a number of guys got together and sat for a photograph not unlike perhaps the way that a group of friends who would would sit today in the middle of quite a good party. Was bought 6 years ago this particular photo for $10.00 but it could be worth millions experts say that the image bought by a North Carolina lawyer named Frank Abrams is more than just an image of a group of 5 friends with a big mistake that it actually shows Billy the Kid relaxing and horsing around in the same photo as Pat Garrett the man who would eventually kill him I spoke to Frank about this find and I asked Frank Abrams to tell me 1st of all what size this is it's about the size of the palm of your hand. A little more than 3 inches all on all one hand on the left Weiss and approximately 2 little more than 2 go on often die out. So the palm of your hand is probably a good way to look Ok And and tell us what it shows I mean just in general terms what do you see when you look us on the right is a man is currently slumping does a very long legs and on the right you have a pact that the man has been identified as is Hugo there's a man next to him and he's kind of dark in the shadows so he's kind of pending identification although we have some ideas in the middle is a gentleman who has been identified as Barney Mason then we have the gentleman with in the back with the large Adam's apple and on but only on his sweater is written Billy and then. And on his collar is written w. Bonny and he's holding it upside down a bottle of whisky and it looks like he has some kind of a tag on his shirt Well are you saying that his name William Bonney is written on his collar and Billy the Kid is written on a sweater. I mean did he write there or was this written by somebody subsequently This is real good question there's other writing too and I'll just go to that on the end is a gentleman. Who was identified as dirty Dave readable and his name is written above him and a date 8 to 80 we know that signed his name on his lapel on pad it's lapel is written packed and one of the top forensic experts in the country has determined that pack you're actually signed his name on the lapel it's made it must be very difficult I mean because it must be minuscule writing as . It is minuscule but it's there and it's it's in pencil and the interesting part of about it. When the 10 type when we started to you know when Packer was 1st recognized and it 1st broke in the news we did not know that this writing was there it had been there of course for a 130 years you have seen any writing when you bought it yourself you know no not at all we did a scan of the photograph and we sent around sent around u.s.p.s. With the scans to have other people and experts look at it a gentleman who runs a web page called the Billy the Kid web website or German engine break was the 1st person to see the Writings and I think the last week he said he emailed me. One of the other tintypes in this group and there was a group of 5 is has been identified as Marshall Ashe Upson Garrett friend who goes wrote the authentic life of Billy the Kid a book that had a right to sort of explain what happened. With that said Garrett wrote the word ass on the back of the tintype the other writing is still pending analysis as far as who may have written Billy and the kid and who may have written w Bonnie on Billy's collar but through the forensics and the identification there is no doubt that this is Billy the Kid and that there is no doubt that this suspect or. You know how do they look can you tell anything about the relationship can you tell Condit one day is going to go and shoot Billy the Kid is wild This is one of the most interesting pictures everyone says is Ok we got Garrett there and it's kind of looking back on doesn't look like it's really happy Ok that's what he's really happy to be there. Mason in the middle who by the way with Garrett captured the other 2 guys on the end Billy and rid of the laser looks kind of nervous there he's kind of looking forward and my understanding is Billy didn't like Mason very much and Mason was pretty much scared to death but Billy Dill a on the other hand is classic Billy he's the center of attention he's clowning he's got an upside down bottle of liquor there he's got his hands in hers of yours and looks like there's a sucker are in it's hands everybody's got so gars and they've got who's And then there's dirty Dave read a bond he's on me and he's holding a colt 1878 front here double action revolver it's got a cigar in his mouth and he looks like he's ready to grease but he does not look like a happy camper. He's looking like if you take one step forward desk will be the last step. And by the way this is the last known picture of 32 favorite above live as well as believe. Have you have you any idea how long after that it was that really could be shot Yeah well there's a date on the tintype also intentional and as I stated these were not found until the later scans the date on the tintype is 8 to 80 so rock this was. Billy was shot July 14th of 881 so proximately a leaven celeb and a half months later he was shot by Garrett who was his friend by the way I don't think you would have wanted people to see this picture after Garrett killed Bill Lee a lot of people called him a liar and a coward and someone who shot his best friend for $500.00 in reward money and I just don't think there would necessarily have liked to have been seen partying or so in a picture with a man supposed to a man shot. 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