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For anyone else this is. 1 o'clock on 5 live as we're joined by the B.B.C.'s local radio stations across the u.k. . Radio Listeners I'm Raj Shah. Biggest employers could be hit by financial penalties and sports city and Spurs continue their winning start but Liverpool held again in the Champions imo the 5 Live website Andrew Finley from Manchester didn't want to turn a tough fight for and middle aged so he stepped up and into the boxing ring instead . This is b.b.c. 5 live with 5 Live here is Liam Smedley the us government has ruled against the aerospace for body and its disputes with rival Boeing a decision which could affect workers in Northern Ireland Boeing planes bomb body I got unfair state subsidies from the Canada to help win in order for planes from Delta our correspondent in Belfast is Chris page Boeing Scase was that but they have been able to sell the planes for less than it costs to build them so the Us Department of Commerce has been investigating Boeing's complaint American customs officers are to be instructed to collect Thomas of almost 220 percent from importers buying the aircraft the case will now be looked at by the u.s. International Trade Commission which make a final ruling in February Saudi Arabia could soon allow women to drive state media says the country's king has issued a roll order for the band to be overturned on the seat has been campaigning for women to be allowed to drive when I started campaigning for 2013 I went there as driving and I was asked by the the guy you know I said No I was joking and making jokes that I knew everything and they had they said what I would like. Why don't they try germy Cobain is to tell Labor supporters the party is on the thresh. World of power speaking at a conference in Brighton he also accused the conservatives of self interested Briggs it bungling victims of the contaminated blood scandal in the 1970 s. And eighty's when the right to take the government to the high courts they want compensation after thousands of n.h.s. Patients were infected with hepatitis c. And HIV Many have since died here's our health editor he they mounted a quarter action in the 1980s adventure there was a settlement and they had to waive the right to take further action what their lawyers are now arguing is that there was a cover up of the toy and the allegation is that there was a cover up of crucial information that doctors knew of the risks and carried on treating patients a 16 year old girl is due in court later charged with attempted murder after a welfare officer was stabbed at a school near Scunthorpe Joyce Solomon who 61 was attacked on Monday at Winston Community Academy 3 more men arrested over the possums green Choo bombing have been have been released with no further action it means just one of the 7 people who were detained has been charged Ahmed Hassan whose 18 from Surrey is accused of attempted murder and causing an explosion. Friends and costars have been paying tribute to the Coronation Street actress Liz Dawn who's died at the age of 77 she was just the most beautiful caring family woman you could ever wish to me phrases are often bandied around that this time book is really genuinely Liz That's Alan hall so who plays Tyrone in Corrie who starred as Viread took with more than 30 years was described by the soaps produces as a true Coronation Street legend and Twitter is looking at introducing longer tweets some users are trialing $280.00 characters per message instead of $140.00 Let's get the sport now with Chris Latcham Manchester City have extended their winning start in the Champions League with a 2 nil home victory of a shacked up the nets Kevin de Bruyne and rain Stirling school the goal Sergio agronomist a penalty hurricane scored a hat trick to take his September tally to 11 as Tottenham won 3 nil against Apple well in Cyprus Spurs have a 100 percent record round Madrid beat Dortmund $31.00 in the same group Juergen Klopp admits Liverpool are not the luckiest team in world football after his dominant team were held $11.00 at Spartak Moscow Liverpool have now drawn both of their matches so far Neil Warnock's says it's unbelievable how far his Cardiff team of Company year under his management they beat Leeds 31 to top the championship struggling Sunderland they lost again while League One leader Shrewsbury and top of League 2 Notts County both won a way and the Ingham one day count to no in Morgan has admitted Ben Stokes arrest on suspicion of a.b.h. Has been a distraction Stokes has been released under investigation England play the 4th o.d.i. Against West Indies in the morning they also named the squad for the Ashes this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital on the smartphone and sample it on the weather over the next few I was able to windy in the west hill fog also forming in the north with some light patchy drizzle possible everywhere else to experience clear spells but for patches developing in eastern England as for the rest of Wednesday sunny spot. As rain slowly moves north across. 6 days a. Direct hit present to mention the u.s. . For the 1st time he said Texas and Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico already suffering from broken infrastructure and massive debt is in deep trouble its old electrical grid which was in terrible shape was devastated much of the island was destroyed with billions of dollars owed to Wall Street and the banks which sadly must be dealt with food water and medical are top priorities and doing well. But while the Fed a Federal Emergency Management Agency has been wonderful responded San Juans mayor . People people. Are going to begin far from so far from Puerto Rico and Saudi Arabia where King Saul mon. Has issued a decree which will allow our women to drive for the 1st time the ardor comes into force next June and follows years of campaigning by human rights groups I've been speaking to Ross not big a woman's rights or sarge her Humans Rights Watch who specializes in the Middle East and she told me about the reaction today and this is a incredibly important nouns meant for the Saudi king that they will fine you allow women to drive cars in the kingdom a decision that brings me back into the modern 21st century Unfortunately of course the decision is a delayed decision in that it's coals for the for a committee to be set up to consider more details around women driving and it will actually take place until June of 2018 which gives us some cautious optimism in the sense that they could be using the next have a many months to work out barriers for women driving including Mr actions on when they can dive drive how they can drive that will not be imposed on men and so while we're very pleased to hear that the women of the mount to drive giving it such a late date may actually be not a good thing some guy give you an example they might say you can't drive for private hire you a woman can't drive a new birth for example. Yeah exactly for instance they could also decide that women can't get driving licenses without a male guidance commission they could decide that women only drive for reasons for working or a can do so in such an hours of the day and night for instance so they could come up with all sorts of reasons and restrictions that they think is compliant with their with their cultural norms but unfortunately and for them but hopefully we're hoping will happen is that they will take note that they are the only country in the world choose to ban women from driving simply because they. They are women and they're the reasons for which they've put forward is not something the anyone else has ever agreed with whether Islamic scholars or otherwise outside of the kingdom no one else agrees that women should be prohibited from driving simply because they're women it's there's nothing in Sharia about this is that because I think that's what some people are pushing you know they're saying that it's it's hard for women to drive. That's why there is nothing in the Koran that says a woman contrary because visited not exist back then but actually there's plenty to say it suggests that women wrote camels they were able to travel on camels that which was the vehicle of the times so there was nothing to suggest that women would not would not be allowed to drive in the modern day you era this is actually. A win when cars came about and cars were Jews and just as site which was a conservative society women were prohibited from driving customer any cars as a form of custom and in 1900 then women protested this customer your brand because they saw u.s. Military women in in the kingdom because of the Gulf War Driving around the military compounds and they thought you know we as women can't drive but us military women driving so why can't we do so in our own country so they took to the streets and they drove in a convoy and we immediately arrested and it was at that point that the Grand Mufti came out with a fatwa a religious addict saying that women were not allowed to drive because it would need to the mixing of genders which could could cause chaos in society and what he meant was if sensually was that this would women driving wood and mixing with men and having affairs with them and so did have sex outside of marriage and that was the ultimate fear and the government which is the interior ministry at the time then issued a decree on the basis of that fact to a prayer. The woman driving so it since $1009.00. 100 not be allowed to drive but it's based on a very hated it doesn't actually even make sense point of view when you actually think about what it means for women to be driving women and now actually forced to sitting side of vehicles with men as they drive so you male strangers who have to drive and ferry them around the place when they could be doing it themselves it seems a far bigger argument doesn't it about the role of women in Islam and those scholars who say that actually Mohammed surrounded himself with very powerful women and they give a lot of decisions to the women in Islam absolute in the very 1st woman he married in fact was a business woman who was much older than he was and had a proposed to him in fact so back in in the mc era the time of the Prophet's life there was a lot more progress in women than side Raby is currently providing this current gain age so the interpretation is that he has chosen to and not act as part of state policy is incredibly regressive it's far from what some people would describe as even back then the state of play and goes even further back within that and they really do consider women to be very much a part of their interpretation so restricting women's lives and controlling what they can and cannot do has been very much an important state policy one of the biggest issues that continues to leave women in the dock ages is the male guardianship system it's the biggest and pediment to women's rights in the kingdom so even with the if they are allowed to drive on an equal basis with men they will they still have problems in terms of traveling abroad so they cannot travel abroad right now without a male guardian mission in order to obtain a possible to or simply to take a flight right now to go out of the city they conduce or without it with their mil guardian who could be their husband their father their brother or even the Son so their widowed they young son will have to be they male guardian. So this then suggests doesn't that the way might be open if this really is an opening for women in the realm of driving cars to the way might be open to some change in the guardianship Well that's right so driving has been not just an important area in which women have been fighting to sort of have have the right to drive because practically speaking it's meant a lot to their lives but also it's been a symbolic part of the campaigning as well because driving has been seen as you know women being able to take leadership of their lives controlled and independence and that they should gone and the change a new literally drive change in the kingdom for further reforms to women's rights as well the king did issue a decree of several months ago calling on a review of the guardianship system rules all government agencies to submit what the guardianship systems bills pertain that deadline was was completed in July but nothing has been hurdles so we don't know what they intend to do with those rules if they tend to actually abolish them on not and it's left hanging so the concern is that it's not just a system of you issue a decree and that's it and there will very happy with you but actually what is actually going to happen so now that he's issued a decree saying we will be allowed to drive we will have to wade into June 2018 to actually see what will happen in that in that time but also in terms of the male guardianship system don't just issue the degree but actually come through with it and actually end the guardianship system which is seriously. As an impediment to women's rights in the kingdom. Rosmah Begum from Human Rights Watch Well we just heard that lady look and whose husband famously disappeared more than 4 decades ago has been found dead at her London home she was 80 years old our correspondent Keith DAWE is here to tell us more hello Keith Good evening what have the police actually said about you know I just spoke to Scotland Yard just a few minutes ago and they confirmed that lady Lucan the wife of Lord Lucan has been found dead at her London home they confirmed that police officers discovered her body after they forced their way into the property in Belgravia on late on Tuesday afternoon following concerns about her welfare she was reportedly had didn't make an appointment for a walk with a friend so in a statement the Metropolitan Police said although we await formal identification we are confident that the deceased is Lady Lucan and they go on to say that the death is being treated as unexplained but it's not believed to be suspicious. So Lady look and has passed away of 80 up to this point it all seemed very sudden to us of course but is there any word from the family there's just a statement has come through that's reported from her son who's the 8th Earl of Luke and his became the 8th Earl of Lucan last year after a high court judge finally issued a death certificate for his father Lord Lucan he said she passed away yesterday at home alone and apparently peacefully The statement goes on to say police were alerted by a companion to a 3 day absence and made entry to the house today of course I mean this story has been as you say Rob going on for 40 years a lady looking for husband John Bingham the 7th Earl of Lucan disappeared on the night of November the 7th 1974 after beating to death Sandra Rivet's the children's nanny. It's believed that she felt it was his wife and he was trying to kill his wife and he disappeared and has never been found many many stories over the years about where he's been where he went what he did if he's still alive what they do know is that on the night he disappeared that he drove to a friend's house in East Sussex in a borrowed car that was later found abandoned in New Haven many stories about possibly committed suicide walked into this see their certain lady Lucan believes that's what happened and she talked about it that she did yes earlier this year she gave a television interview which she said she believed Lord Lucan had made it made what she said the brave decision to take his own life she said was in this interview she said he got on the ferry from New Haven and jumped off in the middle of the channel in the way of the propellers so that his remains wouldn't be found I think that's quite brave That's a quote from her. In a documentary that was made earlier this year many other reported sightings though I mean the 1st reported sighting. Occurred soon after the murder and 975 he was supposedly spotted in Melbourne Australia and then again in France in Capetown. Places in Africa Apparently he was supposed to be living. The hippie lifestyle in India so many many many stories but obviously 4 decades on and he has never been found it so but yet there was such vivid reporting of that time much of because so highly speculative but but on the night in question Lady Lucan made a pretty sensational appearance didn't she she appeared in the in the pub nearby saying she had been attacked yes she said that he admitted the crime that he had been that if she had been attacked by him with a metal bar and then she. Spoke to him and said that got him to cam down a bit and then asked him to go and get her a glass of water and at that period here she ran out of the house and ran to a local pub and said that her husband had tried to kill or that's when he disappeared and that's where the last sighting him ever was Heath thank you very much. On the death of Lady Lucan at the age of 80. Well the Kurds in the north of Iraq already the autonomy Kurdish region of Iraq have held their referendum and the 1st results preliminary results are coming in and you wouldn't be surprised if I said that they are overwhelmingly for independence according to b.b.c. Monitoring service the the figures range from 98 percent in one province to 70 percent in another in favor of independence from Iraq however the country of Iraq has different views about this and I see here figure in the region and the autonomous region says independence is no inevitable between 25 and 35000000 Kurds live in the region straddles the borders of Turkey Iraq Syria Iran and our media but they have minority status in all of those countries and the Iraqi government has vigorously opposed this referendum we're joined by Michael Rubin resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute which is a conservative think tank in Washington he's also a former Pentagon official and the author of card to Stan rising Hello Michael hello there hello Well after all this day the cards clearly want something they're going to get it. You know I'm not optimistic in that regard 1st of all while many Kurds overwhelmingly want independence the interesting thing about the referendum is how the figures have declined from when they 1st had a referendum 12 years ago and so that's going to be something which will be troubling Masoud Barzani Barzani the de facto leader of Iraqi Kurdistan what's going to be most interesting however is what are the figures in favor of in favor of independence and what are the voter participation rates in the disputed areas which are missed mixed ethnicity if those aren't high an overwhelmingly high in favor of an independent Kurdistan that actually benefits Baghdad's negotiating position Well I'm I'm looking at this report which we've got from b.b.c. Monitoring and it says and you can help us out 55 percent of eligible voters and show minea participated 86 and 91 percent below and the hawk is disputed you know so many it is not disputed nys is what should worry Masoud Barzani so many is dominated by the former political party of 2 all Talabani the former Iraqi president and a rival to Masoud Barzani and the fact that these numbers have declined from around 95 percent is indicative of the distrust which many Kurds in the region have towards Masoud Barzani remember the economy has been in freefall for the last couple of years according to Wiki Leaks 80 percent of Kurdistan's budget goes to pace salaries that that's the highest figure next to Cuba in terms of proportion and yet Kurdistan hasn't been able to make payroll for a variety of reasons Masoud Barzani is term in office expired 2 years ago actually and so there's a lot of suspicion especially in Solomon a which tends to be more liberal that Masoud Barzani is just doing this in order to distract attention from other problems. No I might say the British vote breaks it was decided on a simple majority vote and quite a slender majority if not what's the difference well in this case the difference has a lot to do with neighborhood there's a difference between Britain and the rest of your and Kurdistan between a rump Iraqi state Iran Turkey and for that matter Syria the fact of the matter is while Kurdistan has oil none of the top 20 well in gas producers in the world are landlocked and so if Kurdistan has disputes with all of its neighbors it's going to be very very hard to achieve the goals which so many Kurds clearly want and watch the stance of the United States well the United States is officially opposed to this but the reason we're giving is we say it's a distraction from the final fight against the Islamic state there's a town called Ho We jail which is near care cook one of the main oil producing regions in the north of Iraq and also one of the chief disputed areas how we is the last pocket of Islamic state resistance and the Americans were expecting Iraqi forces and Kurdish forces to jointly try to eradicate the Islamic state they're now with Iraqi militias and Kurdish militias starting to stare each other down it looks like that might be. That might be delayed It's almost as if someone put out a farce fire until there was just the embers and then someone else came along and ports and gasoline on it. And we go Mr Baez on a not appealing to the international community I'm just seeing in the piece of copy which has just appeared with us instead of threatening and punishments Let's start a serious dialogue to be good neighbors respect the will of the people of God This time is it right the will of millions of people has no legitimacy so that's where it goes on he is going with us. Well yes but then some people can actually turn Barzani's words on him because Kurdistan isn't just an area that's populated by Kurds there's other minorities there there's the religious minority the is Diddy's which we've heard so much about because of the brutality they suffered at the hands of the Islamic state Ah there's Christian minorities and others what's going to happen if these minorities many of whom distrust the Kurdistan regional government just as much as they distrust back that say well you had your referendum you said it's consistent with international law now we want our referendum to break away from you so I suspect that we're going to have some rounds of. Of instability and sectarian ethnic unease with various groups calling out Masoud Barzani some pockets see on this issue like Ruben American Enterprise Institute thank you very much Michael thanks for having me write President Trump says he's going to visit prior to Rico next Tuesday after how to can Maria stop the u.s. Territory last Wednesday critics have questioned the slow response of the aid operation which is being handled by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and also present Trump's failure to even mention Puerto Rico until Monday which 6 days after the how to commit struck down it's dreadful damage Rick Jarvis is a reporter for USA Today we spoke to Rick when he was still in the island he's just come back he's seen the devastation firsthand and he's obviously staying across the situation we've been hearing a lot today about the mayor of San Juan the big city on Puerto Rico Rick what kind of things have been saying and how does that tally with your own visions the things that you saw when you were there. Yeah well the actual mayor of San Juan has a very very sort of emotional interview with c.b.s. Where she was in tears basically calling it a sort of humanitarian crisis and calling for more and faster. And I think she is absolutely spot on and I wasn't. There for the. Niners and Barry was every for the storm after the storm and drove out of sight on in every case of us that are in right now is going to have master classes there's no power there's no. Water like in like 70 percent of the island. Where there is there's very little gasoline and there's just no safe haven on that. That are in right now. The mayor who is a common Yulian Cruise said that he was doing a wonderful job apparently Fema is bringing in stuff by bodge Where is the u.s. Navy. So that's a good question I think that's the sort of 1000000 dollar question people are like questioning where the u.s. Is where the u.s. Military is right now good to hear that there is a u.s. Navy hospital ship on its way should be there 5 or 6 that like. 3 to 4 days before us and that is sort of been there 3 or 4 days ago. Is on the ground there I. Saw them sort of close. And I went out on a couple of missions with them so they were there prior to the Hurricane Maria because so they were perfectly positioned and then it was rolled out right away questionnaires there's going to be a not or or us it'd be more well what are there are 3400000 people in Placer eco aren't they so so that's a pretty big. Pretty big disaster if everybody's lost their homes as that the size of it. Well that's pretty much as it is 3400000 people. Every single one of was. In one way or another so this is a this is a. Sort of public all sides and it's just worsening now you know I left I left like yesterday things were obviously bad the hurricane was was about 6 days ago and things were bad things are worse. There are people like starting to run out of supplies they're running out of food and water and it's only going to grow. I think a lot of people there like on the island are really hoping on u.s. Aid u.s. . Personnel to get them out of the hand there because kind of way. And near to tears as one gathers you wrote about the difficult scenes at the airport where people are waiting for the flight side have they put on extra flights to try to get people off the island. And that's increasing sort of start to leave the problem is that. The sort of control tower was like knocked out of service or their life wasn't any radar and so pilots were flying and they called it through visual visual confirmation and were there were basically don't use radar to just kind of like sort of a look at how to make sure that there's no other plans around so it's a very tricky and a longer process again here that they are sort of increasing flights but at the airport it was really harrowing. You have families with like small babies spending the night there spending 345 sort of nights in a row it's especially trying to get into the flyers and get off the island. And what about. You know barn transport is any kind of Armada going to to how people get away. You know stuff like that happens certainly after Irma when. When somebody. Hard like say Thomas. It was mostly was a lot of private private charter boats going over there and. Companies are very very boats off. Out of their ass and John didn't Thomas to parse the Rico because it wasn't hit by by Arma. Correct correct I was saying at the. Core you're married. To red. Wine Industry and if you brought out the actual storm there and in that hotel there were quite a few people from St John's from say comment from some of the British Virgin Islands writing out of some miracle because they have evacuated some of those islands and they're now stuck and Puerto Rico as well. As stretches out across the Caribbean quite a bit so sure better Eco is a u.s. Terrorist Jr as the United States calls our commonwealth. Has a governor is he nominally in charge who's who's in charge of all this. So that's all never is the one in charge. Person basically delegating a lot of. Implementing a lot of sort of disaster response if you have a disaster response plan after imagining that this crisis has all the world like all of those plans because nobody expects it to our size and caliber just to go straight through the. Middle of the I want to go back to every inch of it but our. The governor is actually in charge he has been praising President and us federal bird us federal response so there's something there which is like being talked about. Those 2 sources revolve. He might see something that another observer would not. Find the right on the right. Wrist thank you so much thank you for your time and for for your observations appreciate it very much thank you thank you for having me hungry. Just after one. Release of. This is b.b.c. 5 Live. News comes from Liam specially one of Northern Ireland's biggest employers is facing a financial penalty which could affect thousands of jobs the u.s. Government has upheld a claim against the aerospace company palm body a pilot's American rival Boeing that has been unfairly subsidized by the British and Canadian governments the king of Saudi Arabia has issued an order to let women drawing from next June according to state media currently it's the only country in the world with such a germy Kobe militarist Labor's annual conference in Brighton later he's expected to tell members the party is on the threshold of power and victims and relatives of those hit by the contaminated blood scandal in the 1970 s. 1000 granted permission to try for damages at the Holocaust thousands contracted HIV and hepatitis a when they were treated with infected blood look at the sport now with Chris Lashon Manchester City have minds. In their winning stocks in the Champions League with a 2 nil victory have a shot at the ets he had Kevin de Bruyne a and rame Sterling scored their goals but Sergio fluff the chance to equal the club's goal scoring record I don't care as. You believe it Eric playbook this still the only about who's got $177.00 but by just a city also in cities group Napoli beat final of $31.00 Harry Kane scored a hat trick as Tottenham won 3 nil it in Cyprus to maintain their perfect start to the competition Kane has scored 11 goals in September so far and the form of Scotland forward Ally McCoist right Similarly it's absolutely remarkable in the last 2 or 3 years as just been phenomenal the fact it doesn't school in August. It's just I think there were a Michael thing also and that's been a form you know obviously and to Marshall level it will it just looks as though he's going to school and everybody game is going to play and also in Spurs group Christiane are an elder school twice as Ramit Ridwan 3 want to Brucia dome and Gareth biol also scored a super volley level poll were truly dominance in the Russian capital but settle for a 11 draw with Spot sack is the Liverpool boss Yarden club and his woman with. The most lucky team and one football coach noted if things go easy for us so we believe you did really well in creating a great in chances against a very divisions orientated team beat Marable 3 nil in Liverpool's group a the rule so group g. Wins for the shit test of Turkey and pull of Portugal Neil Warnock's Cardiff City topped the championship knocking Leeds from the summits off debates in them $31.00 it's almost a year since we've been in I think next week it's a year the players and the stuff of done in that time is really unbelievable Sunderland's troubles in the Championship continued though they lost $52.00 it switched the league one later shrews. 3 on top of late to Notts County both one away from home you can find all the results from last night on the b.b.c. Sport website England cricket director Andrew Strauss says the Ashes squad announcement in the morning will only take into account form a not off field issues that soft a vice captain Ben Stokes was arrested this week before being released on the investigation now it is being reported Stokes has been included in the 16 man touring party there are 3 uncapped players the ham she has been a Mason crane Somerset quick Craig Ovitz and I'm the sorry with the keep a Ben folks at 6 batsman Tom Wesley has lost his place though Alex Hales doesn't travel and bowler would isn't deemed fit enough and the new head of the Rugby Football Union Steve Brown says everyone in the England camp is committed to winning the next World Cup in 29 tain Brown told us we may have been modest in the past but we are very open about winning slogs pull this up close on fires like that in 5 Lost Souls extra The Super League grand final takes place at Old Trafford Manchester this system basically. Seems pretty shabby to say this is. One of the the last travels to Malaysia chip in the USA and Mexico City. And the full blown cities with local qualifiers and James from the Premier League on Champions League Egypt. 5 and finds a lot of sports extra extra across the u.k. This is b.b.c. 5 Live. With. President Trump continues his loud rhetoric on North Korea at a news conference on Choose day with the Spanish prime minister Mr Trump said the United States is totally prepared to pursue a military option North Korea's foreign minister previously told reporters at the un. That Kim Jong un is considering an atmospheric nuclear test previous 6 tests all underground it's half a century since the United States and the Soviet Union banned such tests so it's believed that France carried on a test in the 1980 s. But prior to the 1960 s. There were quite a number what does it look like of the dozens of tests that were conducted in the 1950 s. By the United Kingdom 9 of them took place far away in South Australia David Hunter from Teesside was a young Air Force man in the i f 19 and 60 years ago this week he witnessed the notorious test monolingual in the Australian desert David Hunter told me what it looked like. We were 20 miles away from it they took a trip to the Africa tomorrow linger which is in the Australian bite which is sort of half way between Adelaide and what's not surely you know out and and with. With our backs to the. Tower which is about 20 miles away from where we were and we had to have a countdown and we had to co-writers and you know when I box to it and then when the countdown had finished a shed flashed turn around an attendant and it was all hello Shirish they have never seen a sky like it it was like the best sunrise ever seeing a life you know and. White Heat and it descended to the spectrum kind of went down to orange yellow snow meant Regine Then she turned blue and this bloody great column of smoke flew up in the air and turned itself inside out into mushroom time. And then. Men started to gradually rise away and after about 20 minutes it broke away from the around and it went over to towards Sydney and so that's 20 minutes you're watching us for 20 minutes Well I'm going to hear from from from the actual control of the Trevor dispersing you know. And then it took 20 minutes for the cloud to break from the s. M. And of course all the dust I mean the whole thing the whole thing was well over a mile across there through him. No goggles no protection no nothing at all we had when he would want to turn buses because he was you know break Larry you know him does it but we had to take us off when the bomb went off because we the danger affliction. You know from the inside of us and rushes when I'm actually so we put the question arises and and. And still saw the flash and so my fingers and my fingers and the bones of my fingers were like an extra. You know when we turn around a just like it. Never. Will you know when you want to expect to feel like a man when I was a typist of all things and I typed up the safety precautions for it all in all a short leash on you when you want to expect but I made lots of a lot of didn't. But I managed. With. A special 19 year old show on trepidation as someone looking forward to it I'm sure you were just what you did in life you know your order was to stand. Or sit Yes I mean literally we went to one on one and watch college only in other words if. We went on there were $3600.00 people on on the bass but we were taken up from the headquarter here and it which is in Adelaide and there were 20 of us one to punish craft about 10 which scientists are senior officers on the unit the rest of his were just you know them the men from you know the workers if you like and we had a bit of a ballot and I was nominated in the mine too on the flank we actually went 3 times with the 1st 2 it never went because the wind chain you know nickname shit back to our lead it's like Israel fight out that way you know and then said time it went which is said it was like yesterday you know 10 o'clock in the morning yesterday should see as ago. When it went off after it went off any other sensations could you smell it you know you. Didn't mind Camelot 2 minutes later which you would bomb and you know it's 20 miles it takes that long for it to get a question it was just like a big double from the top. Quite loud but it's not a sound I thought it might have been you know. And I said a there's this guy. All the dust of caution from the ground when open which is what causes a mushroom cloud you know because you know it's all going on a sunbed precious you know to come back to it like glass but there was what was for a noticeable. Pressure of age at about $400.00 yards into votes across the site and the fire and just a bomb was going off it measured it the purpose of a dish or rockets was to measure the rate of expansion how particular it was so they formed a grid behind it so when they were taking a shiny film of it they could tell how fast it would expanding you know. And almost all the porterhouse which I have their official port of ash which I was able to buy . At the time you know. The lawyers. For me know why I'm clear about it actually wrote notes on the airplane going back about what it actually and what kind of stuff that was not 60 years ago you know anything on your skin that your skin. No I mean you know there was a conscious 20 miles we're actually able to feel 8 I mean we're interesting Georgian they've already you know. But there was no want to call his tech and I mean there were people who went on to cite an on a lot about a subject I wish there because I worked on have tomato it you know and headquarters but there were people who want to win radiation showed to look at the equipment sell the shots and some of those got radiation burns and the cost of being quite about all I know but I was perfectly Ok you know because you were 20 miles away oh yeah now you're talking to us about that sort of 50 years you can talk to anybody is why waste hours covered by the Official Secrets Act I have to sign up because I have a top secret security clearance I mean there are various things you know you can you can be cautious treated clear in chicken of a u.k. Eyes on a can of a. Secret and you have couple secret I had top secret which is the highest you could have apparently there are only 2 is in the Air Force's typist who had that and of course we needed to because a senior officers made their reporter report and the scientists and we had to type it up when we came back to our ministry. Came at 2 am in a strange London work 3 floors underground in Whitehall gardens part of a ministry buildings and typed up our session weeks typing a report of him once allowed to do 2 consecutive pages and I got you know because we do a show because we wrecked I mean. Of course I need to look at something else that. Is if anybody knows is talking to buy in to c s I well how is your house moment Beverly Ok I mean there are people. I mean I'm being a member of the association I know quite a few people who have had. Cancer called my radiation but I was perfectly Ok and I don't know anybody you know about group that well because we would have quarters people if your language was a no show or open it as the people had the problem is with men and I wanted to get a clearer part which. We had to. The publisher the test was to. See what effect it had on equipment and it was sort of written the next pocked all over the place and they had to go back and examine and I was not saying much more about that but. She was affected hadn't noticed people had a problem. Not so much people I quit were just perioperative as you again I'll go back to you were you given anything like Tasm iodide anything like. That whether meat on it what color you can make right and they call it it's like a. Like a little thing like I look like at the moment I used to get on each on your new one whenever you don't. Like the people in nuclear power stations Yes that's right that's right you know I had one of those issues a champ. They just corrected him when we. Flew back an airplane an hour later and we just clicked an American and it was a place that they register so I was conscious that it didn't change color other than register rather than a click not like a Geiger counter you know I would like you know a litmus test you know. What we are asking about is the correlation with Trump and Trump in North Korea so we've got the people in North Korea they've got this this immense power in the hands maybe don't even realize how and thence it is . If you could say anything to anyone who. Could you say at the moment. Well should be very careful. But I mean the whole purpose of this. Threat and we remember this is 10 years after have to know I guess back in Russia and the threat was the Soviets and the whole purpose of this was to create a deterrent that we could. See if you did was we. You and it was my best man when really kept the peace I mean it was this money fest itself when it came to the Cuban missile crisis you know the whole thing. Everybody had been a accent so here we are in out on certain types looking back 60 years do you think you would be looking back like this do you think you'd be looking back from a state of onset if you like about nuclear that. Everybody made the whole one of the purposes of it all it's often wish to make the population get realizing coming seriously or even to sit while this was what it was all about . Political energy we were going to show which in the show we're trying to yours. And there was there were political reasons why that was fostered. And the whole you know man that was. Released to the press about all this because it was very carefully controlled I mean the pictures will be well publicized all housetraining is Papers which is you know about the copies of those original bridges and they're all officially done and it was all done as part of the. Case of this business. Show us where it's all about. You know what it depends about anyway and I know it's about the tents and. The tents. Chevrons like so are you I use that worried about the present situation I'm. Not in a decade and I'm not particularly I mean you know it has potential to be right around when I think that well there's a March sense and I think that you know if you take the 2 principle protectionists the spa behind them anyway and I don't think and whatever develop maybe roll entirely on issues and tell me time in checks one's time. Ram outstrip originated at night or. That's David Hunter from Yarm on Teesside he was a 19 year old aircraft man 60 years ago to witness the miling attest and I like the way David thinks I certainly like it tonight it gives me a little bit of peace let's turn a way to the story of John who can go John who can garner come so Mohai in the United States of America and he signed up for something called the bombing I'm fellow race if excited by to good 100 miles side the houses that kind of thing except that he thought he was going to Birmingham Alabama Well tonight it was the other bombing I'm the original one you might say but he decided to come anyway he spoke to me from Edinburgh part of his unexpected tour of the u.k. Asked him how he came to make such a mistake I'll be honest when I when I 1st saw the original notice about about the fellow Birmingham are well I read it Birmingham obviously I just I just it just sounded like great fun and I the 1st place I thought of naturally was Alabama and I didn't really read all the way down and it wasn't until a few months later when the time came to pay up that I realised that. I had made it lay there and Jeremy this life as you know graphical hour or so you'd done here an affair and I really didn't mean he had filled everything in. Well it was the original email was basically just like hey we're going to have this really great event if you want and you need to send us your e-mail to get the list in order to have an opportunity to pay for an entry so it was that step how that actually began was like true that was just I mean in an email just to say Hey yeah I'm really interested in writing it. So then I had to cough up and at that point you kind of got the message because the rocky tippin pions I daresay. Yes said by that point I actually had read the whole e-mail and it was like Oh it's very mean and u.k. Oh well let's go anyway I waited this long to find out I may as well I may as well make a trip out of it that you haven't been to Birmingham before no I hadn't his 1st child 1st trip to the u.k. . Testing so I may have brought my leg my long suffering say rosary along to have some care just enjoy some travel and take a holiday. So tell us what was like in the race you don't dislike the idea of the race because it's a 100 mile race or something isn't it is it right it was more of a sporty than an actual race I mean there are some people that were racing I wasn't one of them I was there just it was. It was it was it was a quick it was quick paced it was but it was it was great fun. The towns we rode through were. Fabulous see supportive and. Banners and people cheering and kids along the road you know have you know hands out for a high 5 of them. The other riders were just really great just it was just it was it was just a whole lot of fun it was incredible it felt like there were points. Along the route where there was like top of some of the smaller towns everybody was out like the whole town was cheering in the sun and you felt like you were writing in the Tour of Great Britain like wow I'm a professional writer here. It got it got a bit heavy it was it was it was extraordinary you know especially when after some of the climbs like it really lifted your spirits I was going to say that must've been a few more climbs and there would have been in Alabama. I think so I think you're right I mean I mean there's actually a section. Of Birmingham Ohio that I write to somebody longer writes like maybe 50 miles from my home so you know I I I liked I like to bring them in u.k. Best though that one is pretty great it's a super title is it right you are so impressed you're going to come back and do it again I'm absolutely going to come back and do it again. One of the promoters had offered me a free spot but I'm trying to convince them to give it's somebody that like maybe maybe you would like to write it but can't afford it and give it away I just to see discomfort back on my own discomfort back just to sit just to do it again. I don't need to I don't need to free be given to someone that could use it and did you get a nice shot are something for finishing I got a really. Big They handed out like a finisher's medallion the middle. It's really. It's clearly it's nice it was quite a lot of bling. For 1st ride. So 6 is going to be a good winter story to tell isn't that you have to get them out of it Ohio is it is I will I will definitely always pay more attention to my my geography and make sure that next time I do come back I will probably write for like the. Davis Family Foundation for Parkinson's do to make it more of a charity ride. Because there is so much good that came out of this right that there's a lot of the writers were raising money for charity that they raised over $2000000.00 pounds so I'd like to take part of that to make it into something really worthwhile and get my geography right of course. John who can garner from Ohio currently in Edinburgh an old ready to term and to come back to next year's Birmingham fellow well it shine David on the Boston Globe Hello David Oh all right how are you very well and they we might just mention that something that has been the object of enormous focus over the last 6 months just about it. Has kind of pounced in the history and apparently which is the Republicans attempt to repeal Obamacare they're on to the next thing they are on to the next thing they formally sort of pulled the plug on health care or today after a day or earlier Susan Collins of Maine moderate Republican said she could not vote for the latest repeal efforts so now it's on to a new subject and this is tax cuts President Trump has been talking about this often and now for weeks and he's won as we've learned over and over again once for changing the subject and he's about to try to change the subject again and. We're going to see a test of his is salesmanship abilities he needs to convince the American people that big giant tax cuts for big corporations will really mean more jobs and higher wages for middle America those voters who who put him in office in the 1st place. This tax cut plan that we're hearing about over the last few days and we'll hear a lot more about in the coming days sounds a lot to the people we talked to a lot like trickle down economics which of course is a phrase we've been hearing now and in Washington since the Ronald Reagan era sadly is associated with Ronald Reagan and how long ago was that. Too many years decades ago the ideas you put more hands in the people at the very top of the income ladder and it'll one way to unleash a wave of economic growth and it will trickle down to the little folk and the billionaires won't buy your in fact they'll just go and buy extra car flakes or whatever it is. The well or arguably create more jobs would be the Republican argument here that by creating putting more money into the economy it's going to create more jobs but most of the economists and economists and other critics we've talked to say there's really little evidence that these tax cuts have ever really done this sort of thing even know Reagan and many others since then have tried it over and over and over again yes I've seen an article of Republican faith doesn't that tax cuts lead to a growing economy that's right but even in the Reagan years it did there were other dynamics there that sort of led to that economic growth but Trump nonetheless will be facing this this in the coming days and we were we're casting this our story is sort of another test of his salesmanship he made his name early in early in his career selling lots and lots of things real estate stakes dreams of making a lot of money at the gambling table with some of his casinos and of course most of all sales selling himself now he's got to sell a at the idea that cutting the corporate tax rate to 20 percent from its current level of $35.00 isn't just good for the corporations but good for the little people as well there is a there's an international argument to be made that wasn't there for cutting us corporation times I think the argument is that it levels out the playing field across the board isn't it that I heard I don't hear an appropriation taxes high I mean compared with British corporations for example that's right still arguably You would they would argue that they would want to stay in the United States and if they don't they could leave the country but those texta tax laws extremely complicated and this is going to lead to a huge lobbying fight on Capitol Hill. David thank you very much thank you. This is the same. B.b.c. News come from the capital the main news on 5 Live one of Northern Ireland's biggest employers could be hit by a financial penalties and it's city and continue their winning starts to live a full held again in the champs. This is b.b.c. . Good morning the u.s. Government has ruled against bomb body a in a dispute with a rival Boeing a decision which could have implications for workers in Northern Ireland a tariff of more than 200 percent could be imposed on imports of new planes for Delta is because Boeing claims one body I go it's unfair state subsidies from the u.k. 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Needs programming the most reliable advice has to be sent for a teenager or at least a millennial maybe lucky enough to know an old geek but for the most part we envy the so-called digital natives their facility with the world of screens and clicks and code but an innovative new exhibition in Sydney's squares up to the ugly truths whoever we are we are likely to have our times of what it calls mental distress in a digital age can we get away from the compulsion to check the phone or the sense that we're some I'm missing life and we're not on Instagram or watch out for face can we just reach out and touch something wasn't that a slogan in the pretentiously. All over Britain that's 5 pos to 5 plus 9 of the old Run charts cited Richmond Vermont it isn't actually Ryan has 16 sides and was built out of wood as a result of the efforts of 5 Protestant denominations to settle the differences 5 by state and Macallan Texas in the heat of the Rio Grande Valley. 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Saying the increase in Estes is a clear warning sign of a growing threat if left untreated Estes could have serious health consequences some could be potentially face. Dele for newborns Sabrina Cupid for c.b.s. News Atlanta officials in Mexico say that searchers are unlikely to find any more survivors following the earthquake a week ago there a level of anger is said to be rising about lack of information among relatives of about 40 people still believed to be buried in rubble more than 300 people died in the magnitude 7 point one quake going on c.b.s. News well it's time that we join film shit Hello filled yes morning to rot morning and. How's your winter weather you are you getting that tail end of lashing or is it turning into maybe something nice or well I think we're expecting more heat waves in eastern Australia right according to news on the a.b.c. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation on Saturday temperatures were well into the thirty's here in Sydney and I think September September temperature records have been tumbling and they could well fall again or those records could fall again with another burst of heat so there are concerns that it's been a very dry winter in parts of Australia and you drive through Sydney and you can see all the sports fields and parks and many gardens looking extremely parched and this isn't necessarily just an anaesthetic fallout from the dry conditions it also means that the fire conditions are likely to be far worse this time than there have been for several years so Australia is the driest inhabited continent and if you drive around parts of Sydney Raji can certainly see why that is the case. Well this this part of the we're going to we're going to think about. You know what we're going to think of going to have to explain this all to me but I think it's got something to do with digital devices. Well the biggest mental health an arts festival anyway is underway in Sydney this is the big anxiety festival bringing together on tastes scientists technology experts and many others and the aim is to transform the way that we think about mental health through aunts and this festival is the brainchild of its executive an artistic director Professor Jill Bennett's Now Jill thanks very much for sparing the time for us and to start with what you think is making us so anxious and how can an arts festival help. Well all sorts of wise I think you know we're living in anxious times for start you just have to turn on the news to say that her think it's very timely and anxiety is visited on particular communities very acutely So for example here and everywhere on the local Islamic communities who we've been working with but more generally there's increasing awareness of of mental health and also what some people would call a mental health crisis in the in a strange suicide and in many other places is the. Leading killer of a stridency under $45.00 and we do have alarming writes of of anxiety and depression and so we really looking at using the to. Do something about that in particular we have always worked with our mental health commission addressing the problem that 65 percent of the straightness with mental health issues don't seek help and so we believe they are really important means of developing the rich communications and engagement techniques that we need to to reach people who are maybe not wanting to move into a medical arena do want to talk find out more. Access techniques for managing mental health Oh. Yeah I'm sorry Phil I beg your pardon. I just wanted to jump in and say hello to Professor Bennett Hello Professor about. Damage Rod Yes I suffer from a great deal of anxiety right now so probably just what I need. But I ask a few more questions come back in. Oh just wanting to add one small point before Rudd jumps in jail the one of the the the interesting parts of the festival of which there are many is this whole issue of the digital a mental stress the new and you're right that the emotional relationship we have with our digital devices on top saw tablets and photos isn't necessarily the most healthy because of the seductive nature of those devices what do you mean when when you when you say those things. Well absolutely I mean I think there are a whole new set of addictions that are arising out of digital technologies and. Particularly for younger generations who ought grappling with. Just the stress of. Constant you know online connectivity cyber bullying and the fact of this need to be responsive all times. You know that that's something that people are coming to terms with but I think also the flip side of that is that. Online connectivity does allow full. Health services to the delivered in a new and effective way so we're trying to invent to get We've we've got one of one of the exhibitions is specifically looking at mental distress in the digital age but we're also looking at the. The positives of this and how we can connect people and have discussions in and around digital media. But also I mean. On a larger scale we're also creating some environments here. That use technology in different ways so we have a beautiful multisensory environment called news fit. Which is one way that people can calibrate the amount of stimulus that they receive and to a point where they can relax themselves effectively and then we have. That. Really about examining the effect of environments on people's. Work with roboticist to create a game called Catch the tiger where people play a life size collaborative guy then their stress and anxiety indicators monitored throughout all sorts of things like this we also have a converted on the ambulance thing around Sydney is called the mobile lab and that also works by a fade back so instead of just lying in the ambulance he was in the ambulance but your hooked up to a bias that device. That monitor your heart right and encourages you to relax and be stress because he's. Actually controlled through this bias that beautiful images on the on the screen above which people find quite mesmerising this is actually developed in the clinic with a children's pain clinic actually a really nice flight to sort of learn how to. Use technology. Technological media to. Develop techniques for. Relaxing and the stress thing and so. On kind of mindfulness principles focusing and and channeling energy. You know trying to focus on too much at once and becoming stressed out. I'm taken Professor back very taken by the mobile mood lab but could you see people getting something like this in their own bedroom for example can you imagine why in your own bed and hooting up to something like this maybe not quite so that was a little a no I had absolutely no reason why not I mean we also have some works that use virtual reality and they say quite exciting technologies because they're just on the cusp of becoming consumer technology she can buy you know a simple headset to do virtual reality at home there's not much content yet but I think in a couple of years we're going to see a you know off the shelf packages that do enable you to do this kind of technologically supported mindfulness if you like where you can transport yourself into a more relaxing environment. It's rather like. I'm trying to think it says it's in Brave New World isn't to where all the socks lie does a lot of this in. His fiction. Or in Star Trek hollow day are you are you envisioning that kind of you know interface with technology. Somewhat I think it's all about how you harness technology you know technology on its own it's not really about transporting yourself to a completely other place but technology provides a very potent cue for that and I think immersive technology in particular because it is so in the thing and I think that can be used if you like to try in the mind to focus and to disconnect from the sort of overstimulation in the wider world if you like it does does have a lot of potential in that why is there a paradox here or you make yourself in fact more reliable or more reliant on technology rather than less. I think it's all about integrating technology in sensible ways and that's of course what we're trying to do in exhibitions that. Critical productive side and why and of course the other aspect of virtual reality I mean we have a fantastic we actually have. A state of the art 3 d. In most it's a cinema. Said one of the Sydney hubs and we've done a fantastic work there where we've actually worked with trauma survivors from a girl's hand tire medical which was. An institution where girls we now know were. Buz to by. People who had care of and it's now because you know this is all come to light many years after the fact but we have still a generation of women who are greatly harmed by this experience and live with the mental health consequences so we've made a lovely were with then telling this story and we shot the health facility which actually quite beautiful you know 19th century. Ridgeley built. Women's work out the female factory as they called it in those days quite an amazing space but then we have these women who were then as light as the 19 seventies and eighties and had these terrible experiences but it's just kind of re-inhabit ing that spy telling this story which is a very very important thing to do in terms of then. Their own recovery in fact but what we've created is this really beautiful. Historic account in a form that is kind of state of the in itself. It's taking people into another experience in a way that they wouldn't have access before I think that is also something we're going to see developing because it's a great way to develop familiarity and empathy with experiences. Feelings and that's that's obviously really important when we're looking at supporting different sectors of the community. Who are who are going through you know particular traumas or events that are quite removed from other people's lives you have to calibrate quite carefully though don't you because you don't want to sort of bring on some kind of full on episode and somebody who's got absolutely no idea what this was all about. Yes absolutely and we do and I think you know there's there's a lot of mistake around that some people get worried that we will be in juicing troll you know sometimes that's because of the lack of familiarity in a not to say I mean this is kind of stuff is it should just tabling concerned people but there are ways of handling It's not at all sensationalist and actually we don't sort of graphic Kuranda symmetry it's quite beautiful imagery and the way that we had a list is really to allow people to the the women in this case. The power goes as they're called who will formally residents of the girls when they tell their story so it's very empowering for then a nice had a very positive experience with this and we're also saying this is something that. Educates generations of children and residents so it's like a local or this document of national history really so I think if it's handled in in the right way you do open the spaces and experience. To people you know I'm sure they will pay the kind of sensational horror stories because technology does allow that but there's a much more serious purpose I think is quite profound and engaging and just just last question for a 100 to fill but but do you looking accounts the Tiger game do you believe that video games in this huge video game culture that we have now I'd say has therapeutic possibilities. Yes it does look. Overall coming through that helps people manage conditions like psychosis in particular another thing we have here is a psychosis simulation which sounds you know very unappealing but again these things often when you experience. You sort of diffuse some of the c.s. And horror around and I become more manageable and the people that have to deal with you know it is the stigmatizing it's it's you know it's good for the. People who might have to support those conditions but something like catch the Tiger actually we've built this big as physical components it's a life sized guy and that that actually is. Very enjoyable and just really about. A nice feeling people to think more about the wise environments and some you know we're not even aware of them so we get people to respond that monitors that sort of anxiety and stress levels as they play the game and then went to a day brace and tell them what actually happened in the room when they're playing they're also Sandy and effects they might not have been aware of and I think it's just making people more aware of how they voted and Monza are responding. And they think that we can manage and get on top of psych and it is just a kind of fun why miking us more aware and more sort of mental health literacy if you like. It so. Thank you. Juli there are any simpler more domestic ways where the arts can help people who are suffering the anxiety that you describe that 40 percent of Australian women are diagnosed with some sort of anxiety or depression of their books apps on phones or music or something that is very well that's not a simple you know why we're trying to expand this whole area with the festival is because there is this is a hate preventative suggests that engaging in the arts of as I you know consume a visit to or a producer actively making not is good for mental health and that's a sustained. Effect says 24 hour flight to your mood my still be improved. You know my view is that the thing that. The arts really gives us the most important and mental health is this capacity to really reflect on complex things like human emotions mood states of mind you know lots of was done that is simply 102 years painting has done that. But we haven't really harness that power and sort of presented it to people in in life that can be used but I think increasingly you'll see that happening through. Programs where you know really should be part of the mental health toolkit like you know we're recommending exercise these days months on this all the old days kinds of things I think is is. You know healthy option along with things but it has this other die mention of really and I bring us to work through. You know these complex human emotions and behaviors and come to some better understanding of really is a rich message in all sorts of forms that are immediately accessible. That's great thank you very much that's Professor Jill Bennett Jill is the executive an artistic director of the big anxiety Festival here in Sydney that still has a fair few weeks to run right now Phil and thank you both very much indeed you can find the big anxiety dot org That's just how fast to. 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And just to show if you follow American politics that Luther Strange who was the candidate of President Trump in the Alabama runoff to replace Jeff Sessions has lost to his challenger Roy Moore this from Politico and a variety of other sources so this is a bit of an embarrassment for President Trump However we're going back to Australia and in the show you know we find Phil and Phil Marcia who's your next guest. Well for the next 25 minutes or so right we're going to be talking about wildlife heroes here in Australia these are the volunteers who many of whom have a big gardening a ray of wild animals in their homes now the organization is city wildlife it rescues injured animals that have been hit by cars or attacked by domestic cats and dogs into these volunteers are on call 24 hours a day and they go out they rescue often orphans who were found in the pounces of dead man's dead kangaroos and and they take them home and set up a zip me here in Sydney's Diane Janet Diane is a volunteer and she's been doing this route for 9 years and we've just had a quick chat and looking after often infants animals orphans is being a new mom isn't it Diane that sleep deprivation that new mum suffered given that many of the animals that you rescue would need 24 hour care that truth. It's something that amuse. As my friends I haven't had children but now I've had about a 1000 of them in the last few years and the only difference is that every time one of the moves out is another one waiting to move in so what you have a home what if you had a home over the years and what you actually do literally countless possums have 12 at home at the moment have also had a lot of baby birds adult lizards and quite a large number of baby bets which take it to a whole new level of care and and responsibility if you like so just take us through the scene of just describe vaguely where you live in the suburbs of Sydney presumably yet in your back garden or in your conservatory somewhere you have all these animals which they live and how do you look after them that actually sounds a lot more luxuries than it really is I have a small. Property in the outskirts of the say they day and most of the animals I look after a fairly small so they can stay in the house for a while until they get bright enough to tackle the elements and then they move into my coach and I have a ridiculous collection of cages I seem to have a bit of a 30 cages these days and I have an animal in every one of them they stay there until they reach a certain size and then I need to go to one of their care is who has more space more land perhaps a few acres on the outskirts of the city where they go into that final stage of development before release so just like his back to how these animals end up in your care in the 1st instance Sydney wildlife would have a hotline and I imagine it receives files of calls every year how do you get involved and when those calls come in how do you get involved in the aftermath of you're right out while phone line out 24 hour phone line took 14013 calls in the last 12 months which is ridiculous a lot of those calls come from members of the public they ring us any hour of the day or night if they have found an injured or an orphaned animal and. A lot of the calls also come from a local vet practices they bring us when a member of the public brings injured wildlife to them they don't have the facilities for long term care of wildlife so they contact one of the wildlife organizations such as Sydney wildlife we go and collect the animals from them and take them back to our own homes to careful and what happens when you look after them and they go to this halfway house so to speak on the outskirts of Sydney a rehabilitation center they stay there until such time as they're sent back into the wild as a work that's exactly right. There is a dehumanizing process if you like these animals have often grown up thinking that they these big 2 legged animals are actually mammal dead and they haven't learnt to be afraid of us animals have got to Thea humans and dogs and cats and all the other things that have probably got them into trouble in the 1st place so this last stage is getting them unused if you like to people to humans so we have as little human contact with them as possible at that stage so that other time they are released we're confident that they're not going to go looking to humans as a food source or companionship of friendship they need to avoid us like the plague . Hello Diana fraud here fraud shop. And how who how. It's not a bit emotionally hard for you all the dehumanizing thing I mean you must inform detachments them yes it's tough it does get a z. Of them will you do in the more aware you become of had danger it is dangerous it is for an animal to regard humans as friends rather than fuzz it gets easier and I think one of the easiest aspects of it is as you say goodbye to one animal that you've raised from a tiny little fellas baby there's another one waiting in the wings there's always more coming through you say you have about 5 minutes to say goodbye to one before you've got to concentrate about looking at the looking up to the next one that's coming through and how do you do this or you don't put on some kind of you know suit or something you really want what step you take to take the animal out of the kind of human god. To stop talking to them is often a challenge we all tend to put on these silly little voices when we talk to baby animals it just seems to be natural so that that's probably one of the hardest things about it still as strange as that might sound. No patting them no hand contact once they've learnt to feed themselves we have as little contact with them as possible. They do tend to want to climb up our arms and sit on our shoulders and behave much the same as a dog or cat will once they've become used to you we've got to stop that we've got to disallow it and move away from them if possible sometimes handing them over to another care is the answer sometimes they just become used to one care you give them to another carer they're not as familiar with them and the dehumanizing process starts. You're a liar the 5 go short memories. Yes That tends to work as well. Can you tell us about some of the sort of more extreme rescues you've been involved in. I've climbed a ridiculous number of trees particularly for bats with old crawled under houses mainly to pull out brush tell Paulson's of reptiles. To put animals into providing reptiles you are truly fearless that. It does get the adrenaline going and must say . But the challenge is there and it's hard to say no and the results are usually worthwhile and the injury rate is low thank goodness. Or what's the worst that it ever got I mean did you ever end up in hospital. I'm a personally. Would you believe the worst bite I've ever had as being from a lark 8. Those little things that got shot makes but so far touch wood up avoided being bitten by possums bats and reptiles thank goodness good for good for you. For my daughter sent us a story about the koala and I believe I must have seen this some part this quality got stuck in a wheel well. Yes that made our local news reports I didn't say it but. I'm amazed it survived it seemed to just write self without any ill effects I don't think that's a common occurrence it didn't even appear to be dizzy and you didn't have to take it in it wasn't one of your patients now unfortunately I would have. Done that particular rescue but now I didn't get that exciting job because a lot of a lot of coverage while as allies do they said cute little things. Do you do you have a kind of a record of all the animals that you've ever treated. I do I do that's that. Back in the early days I thought I would never remember never fail to remember a particular rescue but as the numbers start looking up you need that bit of paper to remind you of what you've done to the Azan and it does actually make you feel as if you've contributed you've done something worthwhile it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling. Of happy thought among the Among the many animals you have a sort of a league table of your rescued more caring gurus than anything else or or more. Possums or some more possums. Particularly the little ring tell possums they come into Great quite come to grief quite readily and you can also put them together in a group when you have got them in care so it does mean you can take in 20 at a time without being ridiculously overworked. And I think birds would be up there as well sitting wildlife also has a that facility in one of the national parks here we have a whopping big Avery into which we put injured or off and bets that have come into kid during the season so we may have up to 100 bets in care at any one time I think in this past season we've actually rescued about 300 bats it's been a horrendous season for that's in Sydney and I know why it was that I mean what happens to them but. One of them main the main reasons they come into care is electrocution on power lines and it's not at all unusual for them mother that to be killed to be electrocuted but to still have a live baby clinging to it now that that's challenging because we have to get the power company out to cut the mother down and we have to be there to rescue the baby . And of course the other causes of the main cause in the last 12 months has probably been the lack of foliage for some reason our gum trees blossomed and then dried out and that's when the baby that's arrived so we had a look coming in that was suffered. Dreadfully for malnutrition and a lot of them didn't make it because even though we can fade them up and they put on light sometimes the damage has already been done in the early days when they've come into care and they've been suffering from malnutrition and their organs haven't developed proper place so that was a real strain on their care as they share and it caused a lot of great for them and are really volunteers you have we have about 480 all volunteers no paid staff whatsoever some of them do rescues kids do absolutely everything others man the 24 hour fun line some do rescue and they said they show for animals around from one end of Sydney to the other so that they all have their roles to play so what's your what's your sort of radio or your your your beat How far do you actually go we go about 50 k. Is from the Save a date that's northwest and south. C.b.d. Of course being the Federal Reserve what we would That's right so we got a yeah we got of the foothills of the Blue Mountains down to the Southern Highlands and. About 5060 k. North as well. I was chatting to one of Diane's colleagues who says one day road she was driving along and was stopped in a routine stop by the police and in the back of her seat she had a tub a plastic tub of lots of venomous snakes so you can imagine the surprise on the face of that police officer when it was revealed what those snakes were when you think if you'll friends your family and neighbors what do they think of these boxes that you're continually taking in and out and of course people who know you diam would know what you do what people think of you looking after all of these animals in your home quite close to the center of Sydney. All the terms crazy person woman mad that woman they all come to mind because I'm quite sure my neighbors have described me as they see things the neighborhood kids love it I think on the coolest woman in the street because I'm not carrying in groceries and you know the normal paraphernalia I am actually carrying in animals. We look most of them there are a understanding in very supportive I'll often come home in my neighbors will have left their unwanted fruit and vege on my doorstep or tells that they were about to throw out and they thought all know the wildlife might need this so. Most people are very supportive of what we do and and appreciate it. I do think it's a bit of a different world and of course it is but. The support we get from most members of the public is amazing to some of your neighbors think that the animals that you care for you just look at your garden or your courtyard and just let them when when you're finished with them that's exactly right I do assure them that that Larry we haven't suddenly got an influx of possums in my neighborhood because I'm letting them all go here we are very careful to return an adult animals to where they've come from that is the requirement the legal regulation sometimes they've come from Nancy. Well environment you'd be amazed at the number of restaurants that of pulled animals out of Needless to say we don't take them back to those restaurants we find a safer place for them with plenty of trays and fewer predators you know anyone who's ever been to Sydney in the last say 10 years and who has returned would know that this is without question Australia's biggest most populous city its also its most congested when we think die and of development land clearing and house building in apartment building do you get the sense that your services are in greater demand now because there are more cars on the road there are more roads that are leading more animals into conflict with humans absolutely the number of animals we get in that have been hit by cars or attacked by domestic animals or found on building lots with the trays of been chopped down it increases year after year after year the last couple of years in particular way of saying message developments on our main roads and of course all the work that's going on in Sydney at the moment has led to a huge increase in the number of animals coming into care I don't know what the answer to that is well in fact I don't think there is an answer to that it does mean that with gut feel animals and those that are here are coming to great more often what about the communities attitudes to animals so I think it would be hard pressed to meet someone who doesn't like animals but Australia is native animals are quite a secretive bunch you don't necessarily see them too often if you go walking in the bush you might see the odd wallaby or kangaroo or or go on a but they're not in huge numbers to the naked eye they are obviously there do you think that impacts the way that Australians consider their native animals that there's a bit of after apathy coming in because the animals do squirrel themselves away and often are not turn Oh yes I think that's right I also think that most pay. Pull away that their. Life living in their neighborhood it. Even in the city area in our parks here the Botanic Gardens there are quite a few animals but most people aren't aware of them they're too busy getting about their daily lives I guess it's once once people are aware that there are wildlife living in this straight they are usually very impressed very interested the kids in particular I think a lot about kids now have a greater understanding of the stray United wildlife and their parents' generation and we give educational talks to a lot of the school groups and the questions that these kids are asking the knowledge they already have is quite impressive. Also do you think that perhaps some Australians think of wildlife in this city is a bit of a nuisance we think of Bush turkeys Bush took his rod wild turkeys they're quite live animals but they're quite big they tear up people's lawns do the same bandicoots often have a reputation of carrying disease possums if you get a possum in your roof it can be quite good because they are protected and you need a special Ranger type person to get them out do you think Diane that in some instances people like wildlife but they don't want it in their back garden said Lee that is true I think a lot of people do like wildlife but I think it belongs to 50 kilometers from their place it doesn't belong in their backyard. There's a totally the opposite will rescue an animal from somebodies garden take it away to perhaps give it a bit of them a bit of treatment a bit of Rahab and they'll be quite insistent that we bring it back because that's where it belongs so you do get a bit of a mixture there but. Yes a lot of people prefer they wildlife from a distance and the turkeys are interesting in that we didn't have many around Sydney up until maybe 3 or 4 years ago they'd they'd gone and now they seem to have come back again that the. The general view is that the fox population seems to balance out the take the population at the moment the turkeys are winning but they are quite interesting they don't have a great deal of road since they build Messy of mounds of leaf litter in people's gardens into which they lay they lay their eggs and they're bit of a new phenomenon in suburban Sydney quite interesting preaches really although probably not overly loved at the moment I think our residents have got to become a little bit more accustomed to them emotional view and all these invasive species in terms of the foxes that you mentioned and other animals that predate on native wildlife such as wild dogs and cats not necessary in domestic setting but the whole feral animal issue is is quite a pressure on the age of wildlife isn't in here in Australia in the numbers of wildlife killed by feral animals in the thousands every night of the year and certainly the vast majority of persons that we get into care have been attacked by cats and the sad part about that is that the cat can barely have touched the pulse and it might not even have a punch in muck but just that the cat saliva can be enough to kill a poor little pulse and it's we don't blame the cats cats are only displaying their own natural behavior but we do wish that people would keep their cats in at night because that is in Sydney area that's the greatest cause of injury to possums other animals focuses for some reason seem to have a little bit of a resurgence at the moment as a salon 2 blocks from my house and and I'm literally about 7 kilometers from the center of the city I haven't seen one for about 20 years in the last 6 months or so they seem to have been increasing I know that our local councils are on to that and they're basing them because they again. Quite a danger to our local wildlife department in particular a lot of the bird species that have been introduced to Sydney taking up the local bird habitats and they're causing quite a problem again local councils a try. To get on to it but it is a bit of a battle for all of them. I was I was thinking actually when you're talking about the children about my family and other animals of a child or a. Young Gerry of course. Are you inspiring children to have their own little zoos are you seeing children who really want to be animal rescuers in their own right oh yes we want to inspire as many as possible to become animal rescues because we need more every year and some of these these kids can have a 10 year olds in the 14 year olds except where they can't wait to become Animal Care is I just hope that they're as enthusiastic by the time they hit 18 and they can get an animal rescue license I think by the time they hit 18 a lot of them have probably got other things on their mind and perhaps I missed that opportunity Well exactly it sounds like a lost opportunity but you come young teenagers to help you out. And when you can't get a license until you're 18 but the youngsters can come along and do the more boring tasks if you like we always need people to do to chop fruit bats or help do a bit of gardening up at al facility or a tile there's always jobs that we require slave labor for that I've done and that it's inspiring is rescuing animals and caring for them in your own home well indeed of course and what about I guess I'm going back to the side of the of your house which is not you know a kind of Tardis it's got limited dimensions would you call with kangaroo. The little one's a fine little kangaroos live in a pillow slip on a coat hanger hung on the door knob so that's not a problem when they start helping around it becomes a little bit more challenging that's when they have to move on to somebody who has a bit most space than I have but it is mazing that don't tell my boss but quite often I will have a little animal in my drawer at work and they don't make any noise they don't smell . It takes me 5 minutes to feed them every every lunch break and. It's not until they get older that Elder and bigger that we've got to worry about them being let tracting a little bit more attention shall we say. There's a thought there's a thought she must have somebody who's got quite a nice big garden for always. Oh absolutely we have a lot of members who have a creature on the outskirts of the city and they are in great demand they have whopping big Averys that can take a lot of animals to get ready for that last stage of release and we've got a facility or a top Park which is the the former home of Skippy the Bush gang Rue if you're memory goes back that. And we use that space for the final stage of Bray had for kangaroos and some of the larger birds some of the the Raptors need a lot of space to build up wing strength before they can they released while you're getting lots of kudos from from some of our listeners especially Jane says that these people are amazing and very dedicated So we all take our hats off to you I think quite a thank you that's good to know but it's I recommend it to anybody it's very rewarding and absolutely fascinating. Just tell us about the brooch you've got on. A flying fox. Is it is. Found that when I became a wildlife rescue those people who have been buying me hand cream and scented candles for years now buy me animal righteous which I love this one was bought for me by my 3 year old nephew he was given money to buy himself an easter egg and he was at the local place and he saw this and thought that this was a much better use for his money. That he died because she liked That's. A quick question for me what sort of evening awaits you when you get home from work tonight what you have to do. I start feeding the animals from the smallest the smallest I have is 45 grand. Which needs to be fed possible 6 times a day then I've got for around 100 gram Mark I have a collection of lorikeets and a couple of. Other time I get through 3 with them it's probably about 8 o'clock and I hate myself good luck thank you it's always a challenge. To have you with us thank you so much and thanks to film. Smedley. 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Warplanes flying near the Korean Peninsula will be shot down his comments a reaction to the president's tweet that the North Korean leadership won't be around much longer Jenny tired as managing editor of $38.00 north the website chaunce Hopkins University devoted to informed us of North Korea Jenny just about anything we say about North Korea is not informed these days is it because or so that will roll liable information that we get about what people there really have in mind how do you gather your intelligence I know we do actually try to find people that have access to North Korea or have had a long experience of working either with North Koreans or in North Korea and to bring a little bit more you want to the situation many of the people that we work with have had you know decades of experience either as negotiators or as an intelligence officer and many of whom have spent you know 2030 trips going to North Korea as well and and really learning about the country and how they think so as we. As we hear so much at the moment about nuclear weapons and so on I believe that you wrote a quite significant editorial yesterday can you can you tell us some of the things you actually had to say. Yeah you know I think there is certainly a narrative out there that you know that focuses on the war rhetoric that has gone back and forth between North Korea and Donald Trump but there's you know it's always counts in the larger context of other complaints. And it is that of also within the nature of the brinkmanship that exists in the way that North Korea communicates and so you know we do try and look at other signs as well and sort of the full context of what was said for instance in hos u.n. General Assembly speech where he talked about wanting to put together a committee to examine the effect of sanctions and the damages that are being done to North Korea and we look at this only saying you know this isn't necessarily what you would do if you were really planning to start of war and you just appear not because I think most of us have never had that before we haven't really had what real on the whole had to say we just had a little bit plucked from that today right yeah so I mean this the speech is available on line and you can read it but like one of the things he talked about was putting together a committee to study the actual facts and damage is being done to North Korea as a result of Security Council resolution sanctions and so you know these are the kinds of things that you know don't signal like hey we're going to start a war tomorrow but here's a longer term list of complaints that we have also couched in some of the bombastic rhetoric responding to the bombastic rhetoric coming from Donald Trump. Are we seeing still a subtext of if you would only take us seriously if you just treat us like a like a grownup nation who might be getting somewhere. Yes certainly and this is always been you know this is part of the problem with playing brinkmanship this you know what Donald Trump is doing now is you know yes North Korea has made with the pace of testing that they've been doing and their demonstrations of capabilities they've made the status quo unsustainable but what Trump is doing by playing brinkmanship with them in the name calling and the bombastic that really forces came to respond in even more bombastic ways that's really the nature of brinkmanship and the question now is how far will be to have now made this a very personal political matter how far will they push each other and are either of them really ready to shoulder the responsibility of conflict should they push each other too far or. Do any of your contributors us feel as a way of reining in President Trump for example. We hope so. You know and hopefully again that there is at least diplomacy going on behind the scenes and so for instance there have been doctrinal talks going on early in the trumpet ministration between the State Department and the New York channels North Korea's mission at the United Nations and you know in this type of environment when you know nobody can be quite sure of each other's tolerance for more escalation the risk of miscalculation is very high and we would hope that you know the signs that are coming out of the State Department and out of Department of Defense and Secretary that's not as is still that you know diplomacy is our preferred option we don't want a war but there is a red line and we're just not sure what it is and so I think these kinds of discussions hopefully are going on behind the scenes to make sure that. We don't trigger things accidentally and that they're you know trying to minimize the risk of miscalculation. The has been a more I think than just speculation the suggestion that North Korea might go ahead and actually have an obvious phatic test of of a nuclear device credible reports. It could you know we don't know certainly they've said it more than once and I think you know I think it's maybe a $5050.00 chance that they would do it but if they do there's there will be consequences to it and it's very difficult. To say what those consequences are going to be because you know nobody's done anonymously or test since the 1980 s. And the idea that you would do this and the room for environmental downs or radiation for fallout is just a cost that nobody has been willing to make for decades and this this you know would be somewhat of a game changer and I'm not sure you know how the world will respond. Well I want to try and leave you on an up note because you at the moment still have face are a number of back channels open to you or your experts yet I'm hoping that they do and you know and we do see a few signs going on and even again some of the signaling coming from the State Department to try and calm the situation down and try and again get back on track to what the policy of maximum pressure and engagement is supposed to be. Very good to be with us and. We do recommend a website thank you very much indeed great happy to be here thank you thank you. But. Let's take a little time because. Present trumps. Wars as it were with the National Football League players has played out very well and in certain parts of the United States where where people are incensed that anybody would not stand up and at least look respectfully at a the Stars and Stripes whenever being saluted ceremoniously such as the beginning of a football game but when President Trump started to take on the people who were making their own political point by not saluting the flag he began to divide opinion quite dramatically and we're joined by the presidential historian Allan Lichtman who has been dubbed the Professor of protection apart from other things who taught before during election cycles when he has predicted the results of this or that presidential election but he also as a presidential historian as I say as a pretty good idea of where Mr Trump may fit in the spectrum of American presidents and how they actually behave in office and he's also for what it's worth a marriage to and barely advocate of impeaching Donald Trump Hello Dr Lichtman could it. Be having nice nice to have you with us as such a lot take a lodger. But can I ask just to begin with some and just just will get off the football thing quite quickly but given that Americans now seem to be quite divided over whether or not football players have a 1st Amendment right not to salute the American flag at the beginning of a football game a so making this political point as as anybody in office I'd say gone out of their way to to to you know attack a whole segment of the American population the way that Mr Trump pas it's a very unusual way in which of course to Trump has shot at President with his not only suggested that he doesn't think it's right to heal us during We have to but he has gone beyond that he has called the protesters those people who well as if they are not part of the American mainstream he's called them sons of bitches and most critically use the power of the presidency for the 1st term as to advocate that these people should lose their livelihood for his protest and that's what makes this so dangerous and such a real abuse of presidential power and indeed it's divided the American people to change the whole mark of a Trump presidency is to try to conquer it by division and he loves these culture wars because he believes it feeds into their base and most critically he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't have to accomplish anything all he has to do is all and the culture wars ridge it's not like having to pass a health care bill. He is speaking for the people who elected them clearly and those people say they've been ignored. Is not part of his calculation that he wants to give voice to the way they see the world absolutely but he has to remember he's now president of all the people he's not just president of his base and it's a small base it's somewhere between according to perjury every poll some of between 35 and 40 percent of the American people and that's not always governor as president of United States is not just a campaigner anymore. And I don't quite know how to ask this but how do you how do you restore. The unity if you like or how do you restore the confidence in the United States after something like this it's very very difficult and it's not going to happen on the presidential because he travels these divisions he doesn't try to unify the country he tries to divide the country because he wants the adulation of his presence he doesn't want to call it support 'd of the American people and that one reason all is not been able to accomplish anything you've got to promote unity if you want to really change the system came in as a change for the race and frankly strange nothing and certainly inflamed of racial ethnic and religious divisions the host country you've you've become an advocate of impeachment other people have said that aren't enough reasons to go ahead with a motion to impeach What reasons can you can you put forward Mr Trump should be impeached. At the very minimal what I've been advocating is an impeachment investigation by the Us House Judiciary Committee the trunk of ministration is awash in investigations by the special counsel by the House Senate Intelligence Committees by the Senate Judiciary Committee but there's no investigation by the committee that is charged with the responsibility to assess whether or not impeachment is justified or worth the House Judiciary Committee because only the u.s. House of the Constitution has the authority to impeach and certainly there needs to be an investigation of his violation of the Constitution because we have both a foreign 'd and a domestic court so called Him arguments clause in the Constitution which says you can't accept anything of value from a foreign government or anything of value on your salary from the federal government or from any state or local government and he hasn't divest it from his business interests he has rolled on by the insurers going on and he's profiting from cooperation with foreign governments he's getting trademarks that of as a bolt from foreign governments he is getting money for managing his hotels that are invested in by the state and local pension funds all this is violent of of the Constitution there is also at least a strong a case of obstruction of justice against Donald Trump good lawyers against Bill Clinton and almost every Republican voted on articles impeachment on obstruction against Bill and the case for Donald Trump is a lot of fascinating more important matter it's a version argument of our democracy by a far and I preserve even the Bill Clinton case which was a private consensual affair we know that he fired the. F.b.i. Director and said he did it with Rush on his money exactly astral personal loyalty from the director. We asked him to slow down or stop the investigation into his former national security advisor Michael Flynn and he asked the head scarf diligently to try to intervene in the investigation he protested created a baby even dictated a completely listening to statement about chewed name reading in 2016 between Donald Trump Jr son the subtle or general question that his campaign manager of coal mine affords and representatives of the Russian government holding enough here for an investigation and has more than enough of the circumstantial evidence that the trying to do did collude with the Russians in the manipulation of the 2016 campaign literature circumstantial evidence can be called for other people have been convicted in the barrack of capital crimes on circumstantial evidence we have that meeting between the top levels of the Trump campaign and the Russians and we had no change serving the purpose of that meeting was to assist the Russian government in their campaign to help Donald Trump as if they were going to provide incriminating information once every Clinton and Donald Trump genius of a mother and set up the meeting we had in the number of undisclosed meetings between members of the Trump team and the Russians nothing was going on what they conceal all these meetings and lie about them we have evidence that the Russians of they targeted 'd Facebook fives and certainly worth investigating whether or not they were assisted in doing that by members of the church we know that the Trump team it is really in the platform to scrub a platform provision to all anti Russian Ukrainians the only interest they talk in the platform and the lot about both men and for one thing not adjourn trust them till they were exposed by changing the staff men. In charge of that operation Sally because I mean it's not happening trying to look yes it's a stunning catalogue of of I say such but isn't the president the president believes he cannot be prosecuted by virtue of the fact that he is the president that may well be true that's why we need impeachment investigations because under the Constitution the one remedy for both President is impeachment and that was advisedly put into the Constitution by the framers precisely to avoid the ways in which regime change occurred in their own time by assassination or revolution this was a peaceful means for protecting American democracy that's one 'd advocating that impeachment investigation by the proper venue one to the Constitution the u.s. House how can the House of Representatives and its present composition actually go for something like that. What that's what China is about was much and isn't it. I see very little signs of Republicans of breaking ranks since a lot of what revelations are but there are number of scenarios in which this is possible the most obvious one is all shot if the Democrats take control or come close to taking control of the house with the midterm elections 2013 the other scenarios would have to do with what we special counsel Robert Muller uncovers what he is trying very hard it seems to me to slip turn around Michael and pull man a fuller and get them to testify against Donald Trump if in fact they do sing a song that implicates Donald Trump directly affected move House Republicans will or if he has intercepted conversations between members of the Trump team colluding with the Russians that could move wonders of the Republican Party and finally if as we approach the 2018 elections of members of the house on the Republican side to leave but Donald Trump does that mean their reelection they could turn to impeachment as well just take over Republicans or just take 10 percent of the Republicans in the house about 2 dozen Choying with the Democrats to get a House majority to start an investigation. Have you had a lot of support from from Democratic members to date people that because the the hobby in a few congressman here and there who believe them may be grounds for B's. That's right there was that little part of quite a quality number of Congress members on the Democratic side who isn't quite interested in the possibility of impeachment investigation a chill a judge a lawyer actually orders of among others an owner's justice but right now we should impeach Donald Charles but what I am suggesting is there's still much there and you know as we calculate even to when it's just get more lawyers and enough evidence to merit that investigation. When do you think I've had this question asked of me. I had to say Well I think next year when the you think Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be ready to report something on the progress of his investigation. I agree with you it sloppily Curbishley score occur sometime next year special counsel investigation is typically of very very slow with the Iran Contra scandal the devil the Reagan administration the special counsel didn't make its report for more than a couple of years until President Reagan had left office. I don't think knowledge going to take that long but the bills of our special counsel to grind slowly but I do think within a year of his beginning you're going to see some action on the part of the special counsel he has put together a project of prosecutors and I can't believe that his investigation is going to come up as this certainly is a mole of enough stuff on than a Ford and Clinton for a criminal indictment and if he slips them the school cares what a metaphor for and go to jail they're powerless to present a united states' roles with 'd her as was powerful person in the world and what matters is whether or not the president of the United States has furthered American democracy threatens our liberties and freedoms International's or. The moment of course is a much more present can sound about about Mr Trump holding those nuclear codes and there is a motion somewhere I think spoke Corker who put it forward to suggest that the president's authority sole authority to launch a nuclear weapon should be taken away and the should be a much larger group of people all charged with this do you have any indication at the moment the stuff that's going. Let me say 1st I'm very worried about the president's choice because I'm very worried about this counterproductive dangerous to responsible war of words with Kim Jong un these are 2 rather unstable personalities 'd and series and scandals this could lead to a war maybe not 5 calculation but certainly by miscalculation an accident you know we're flying our planes they're toast with clear their massive There are deterrents there and you know during the Cold War there were a couple of times wondering if you've been missile crisis as one during the war scare of 1983 when we came perilously close by accident a miscalculation to starting with a clean or some very frightening to that I don't think it's going anywhere in the Republican Congress to take away the formation authority from the president fessing Lichtman they nice to have you with us thank you so much by great pleasure hope to talk again some as a posse. To. 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Steam. And the fast life school this is b.b.c. 5 Live. 8 with a sharp. Well last week President Trump flew to Alabama to address a rally which was called for the defending Senator there Luther Strange who was fighting for a seat has been vacated by Jeff Sessions he was we will get all this explained to us in a minute but basically big Luther strangers often order has lost the Republican primary to Judge Roy Moore here to tell us about 2 extremely large characters is David will a solo David. He was there we think you brought I'm here so I heard they are very nice to have you with us well listen. You can tell us better than I can but it would appear the president's candidate has gone down to defeat Yes and that candidate is as you mentioned Luther Strange he was very much the establishment candidate in this Alabama primary and he's a former corporate lobbyist who was appointed to the Senate and the reasons that aren't quite clear I have to say Rod don't trump threw his weight behind Luther Strange in preference to the rival candidate Roy Moore who you would have thought is more Donald Trump than Donald Trump himself he's. A far right conservative a man who speaks his mind isn't afraid to do so and as someone who's railed against homosexuality calling it evil he said he's did disapproves of same sex marriage and he's the former chief justice of Alabama who lost his job on the state supreme court for refusing an order to remove a statue of the 10 Commandments in his courthouse so this is a free thinker and a grassroots candidates a man who took to the stage just before the eve of this election in cowboy brigade brandishing a gun while he is triumph and tonight is Mr Moore and President Trump who conceded in the days coming up to this election that he may have backed the wrong horse if you like that was an amazing phrase was truly was it truly was and he went on to say having made that as Donna shing admission that the press may well take him to task for failing to drag. He's chosen candidates across the line well he has failed to do that and indeed they might run. Them Out tell us a little bit more about Luther Strange has he been useful in the Senate since he's been there. Well it's interesting Luther Strange is someone who as I said was appointed to the Senate by the former governor who was in try and in controversy before and sort of appointed Mr strangers' thought as a safeguard to further investigation and basically he is seen as somebody who would have been very safe as far as Donald Trump is concerned in other words he would have voted perhaps even pledged to Donald Trump to vote precisely as Mr Trump would command him to do and for that reason he got the backing of the president but you know what's interesting is that this proves that presidential backing for party incumbent is not enough to get them elected or in this case get them nominated for the path of the for the Senate seat and also underlines and I think the appetite for hard line conservatism on the part of the Republican base you know President Trump opted for this man Luther Strange who really doesn't have the same right wing credentials Roy Moore does and despite the fact that they like the president in Alabama they went against his his recommendation and they elected this far right Christian conservative instead of the then the president went to war on the on the football players all of which 1st began selfsame rally Yeah worth pointing out I suppose that the elation isn't actually until. Yeah absolutely and indeed actually in the last few minutes or so President Trump has tweeted saying congratulations to Roy Moore on his Republican primary win in Alabama Luther Strange started way back and ran a good race Roy win in. November I think it should be December in fact but present Trump seeking to kind of get some joy out of a rather unjoin as the evening from him from his point of view m.p. Like the vehicle situation for anywhere from 2 fascinating Southern characters there. We'll see what happens next in the. Show one for one last thing to say by the way that Steve Bannon of all solution picked out of the White House appeared he was he was campaigning wasn't he was a Rhymester so too was the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin but Steve Bannon. Made the point on the campaign trail rant that he very much supported Donald Trump he made the point that he wasn't going against Donald Trump's choice of candidates because he was no longer in the White House and didn't agree with Donald Trump quite the opposite he just believed that this man Roy Moore more in shrines the trump his principles if you like then Luther Strange and indeed he seems to be on to something that as Steve Benen he's since made a speech in the last half an hour also saying that this basically is going to be part of a trend and that big money politics is all over there was about $5000000.00 or so spent by the Luther Strange camp. Ben I'm making the point that you know the little man is rising up and this is going to be a whole new playing ground as far as the Republican Party is concerned there must be some like the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and other members of the Washington establishment who are quaking in their boots Tonight Rod I would have thought. It was thank you very much. Well if you were with us earlier you may remember that we we will describe some of the. Chaos and devastation in the u.s. Territory Puerto Rico the big island in the Caribbean which was hit fair and square by hurrican Maria a week ago on Wednesday and which is still in dreadful dreadful shape President Trump says he's going to go there next choose day he says he can't go there before because he would disrupt the rescue effort but there is severe criticism of the operation even although figures in purgatory call like the mayor of San Juan the biggest city have praised the Federal Emergency Management Agency for what they're doing there appears to be very little sign so far of the u.s. Navy for example or any other u.s. Military we're joined by Raul Reyes an attorney journalist and t.v. Commentator in New York who has taken a close interest in presidents Champ's reaction to what's going on in Puerto Rico. However I will also how are you a lot of very good and we're very pleased to have you with us the president broke his silence on Monday night about Puerto Rico What did he say. Well he put out a series of tweets on on Monday night saying that. I actually remember this is after a whole weekend where he was tweeting about football games you know American football games and the flag and things like that he put out some tweets where he to he said that things in Texas and Florida were going great but basically Puerto Rico was a mess and then he mentioned that Puerto Rico still had to deal with the creditors because of the some of the islands situation relating to the bankruptcy and debt restructuring and you have to remember Puerto Rico did have these financial problems before this storm hit but we are as we are at a such a humanitarian crisis on that island it is so bad right now in Puerto Rico that people are dying in hospitals with medical personnel there because they have no diesel they have no gasoline to run generators there's no air conditioning it has been about a week since at least a week since that storm hit and the entire island has they have no power they have no running water very very little cell service and to give you some of your listeners I know many people you know have been to the Caribbean so I may have an idea what Puerto Rico is like you know it's a is a beautiful island and they are American citizens of Puerto Rico but just to give you an idea of why so many people of the United States have been so upset and really angry at the inadequate response remember the United States military the u.s. Military we have the capability of going into almost any nation on earth such as for example in the Middle East and setting up a complete command and control center within 24 hours I mean if the if the u.s. Military had to go in for example to Somalia or a rich area or Iraq in 24 hours and establish command stations they can do it so now we're talking about a part. The United States that's just a few hours less than 2 hours from Florida and we have not seen the government response so that is why people are so upset and saying like how can this be how can this be happening I mean there has been a government response on that because the Federal Emergency Management Agency is is on the ground you know there has been a government response in fact there's been a government sponsored from Fema which even the mayor there says you know that she has welcomed them but Fema one of the things the mayor has been very upset about is they have doctors that Fema sent they have they do have a certain medical supplies that have already been brought there but because of the chain of command and I would say the bureaucracy they cannot distribute these supplies that they have the doctors are literally some of them are just awaiting orders and even though they are receiving off all types of aid they need the basic things like that what they need more than anything else in Puerto Rico they need gasoline they need diesel fuel and they need generators and they and what I'm talking about here is that the little that we know from from San Juan which is is you know the the city the conditions in many of the rural areas are just unimaginable if you've ever been in the Caribbean which is so beautiful it's as you know probably know it's at this time of year it's also a very very hot and humid and when you think about people for example elderly folks trying to survive in this heat with no power or electricity it is it is really staggering and so people are just wondering why the government has not stepped up more and faster especially because Trump seeing you know over this weekend he had so much time to settle these you know petty grievances with our football players and all these other things that really are not as consequential as a disaster on our own doorstep. So you do the fact that they don't vote and parts are eco they don't they don't have the same voting power as citizens of 50 states right that that definitely factors into it part of Puerto Ricans are citizens but because of their status as a territory for the Commonwealth they they cannot vote in the presidential elections they have someone in Congress but he's in our u.s. Congress but he's not a voting member so that means that they don't really have someone who can advocate as strongly as they might need what's been happening is that lawmakers senators and congressman for many areas like New York where you have members of the Puerto Rican just boring people who haven't migrated to the mainland. But I think a meeting in West Side Story for example Exactly exactly yeah. That was about Puerto Ricans in New York so we have large Puerto Rican communities in Florida in New York on the East Coast and these are people who are poor for example or have not been able to to call their grandparents and find out if they survived the storm they cannot mail people with there's been a tremendous relief efforts have been telephones and people are raising funds and charities are gathering all sorts of goods but they can you know so far there hasn't been delivery channels really set up so there's a lot of that is just accumulating here and the other factor that's it's very unfortunate very very sad actually is that before this all happened because of a campaign that he ran and. President from Didn't really not have a good relationship with our Hispanic community most Latinos you know that's Americans of Hispanic descent here. Tended to support Hillary Clinton and it's very easy I think a lot of people are saying. Are wondering whether Also the slow response to Puerto Rico has to do with the fact that you're talking about people who they're Americans but they speak Spanish and they are Americans but they they generally supported Mrs Clinton and so some of that you know like if there's some type of I guess for lack of a better word some type of indifference because of that racial aspect is also very very troubling to very troubling you could also maybe I don't agree to it's a slight point to the fact that in that same tweet Mr Trump said Florida and Texas are doing great. Yeah and that in itself is very upsetting to people in Florida and Texas and I actually I myself I have relatives in Texas and I can tell you just from personal experience they are not doing great that they were doing great before the storms you know in Texas and Florida they do have the power grid is coming back they would they did not have a direct hit that Puerto Rico had from this these hurricanes but there were there were entire communities that were submerged under several feet of water you had lots of local businesses locked out. And so many people it's it's almost hard to process I guess unless you've seen that this type of devastation up close they have literally lost everything they have nowhere to go they're you know they're just of all their possessions have been ruined by the water and when you're talking about a city like say the size of Houston or some of the places in Florida it's really it's going to be a long recovery so for people in those states when they hear the president talking as though he has already moved on and saying like Ok where are those states are fine now that that really is alarming to people because people in Texas and in Florida are already worrying that you know things we live in a world where things move very fast there's always breaking news and they worry that soon the public will in a sense forget about them and and their recovery recovery will be slower and that they're not going to get the money and manpower that they need to get back to where they were. All right our thoughts are certainly with the people purser Rico thank you very much for talking to us night absolutely my pleasure sir thank you thank you. Quickly from the Financial Times the Dyson car is coming apparently Dyson is delivering or developing a premium electric car which will go on sale in 2020 and the. The Telegraph says that Emanuel Micron's says that Britain could join a reformed 2 tier European Union Well it's a look shall we in the Daily Express with Michael Booker is a brick to story road to read a man has been told to start making preparations for Britain to quickly you without a deal this is in Duncan Smith who was the former Tory leader and he was a cabinet minister and he's one of amongst the chief. Euro skeptic M.P.'s who want to get out as quickly as possible and despite the P.M.'s offer to the e.u. Following her speech in Florence last week with a 2 year implementation plan in the 18000000000 pound in payment to the e.u. We had Donald Tusk the European Council president in Downing Street yesterday and he said The despite what she said not enough and been done to advance a negotiation any further and in don't consume it to the bridge at this in a genuine genuine general attitude of the talks so far and he said we needed to be ready to walk away from the BRICs it talks and not put up with any needy mouth trances and threatening statements from the e.u. . He pretty furious about the way the he perceives Britain's been treated by Mr skandhas Dannielle the chief negotiator from the e.u. And he says the arrogant behavior of the use so far bordering on the deliberately offensive is a bluff we need to call and he says this place needs to be up dramatically. On the process and the government need to give regular public updates on the progress and we should not now accept any answer from the other than we will now start discussions on trade and he says if we don't get these discussions on trade by December we should walk away now and he does kind of represent. The euro skeptic Tory M.P.'s who do seem to be getting a little bit upset with the e.u. So there could be more problems on the horizon for Theresa May particularly for her own party. Journey carbon makes a speech the Labor conference any idea where he might say yes they're both in family life least of so far down in Brighton and going to be fairly lively with his speech which is going to be he's fairly hero worshipped by his fans and in the party in the members and term according to speak for an hour and Brian today and he's going to say that lead is ready for government and they will hand power to the people in a speech that's going to be made and we're told with fairly hard left stuff the leader is going to declare a desire to transform Britain into a society where decision making is devolved to the community not monopolised in Westminster and Whitehall and he says the election and the fairly surprising results from a lot of the pundits As for the Tories will notice a neighbor on the threshold of power and it's quite a saying we're ready for government where the next Labor government transformed Britain by genuinely placing power in the hands of the people the creative compassionate and commit people of our country and I mean you're out is also going to go I'm going to maybe Chris a little bit of controversy with regard some of his comments about the ground for disaster now he's going to say. Some people say he's a risk fresh accusations of trying to politicize what happened Ingram for. The time even to say now. Great regime has a tragic Monument the chilling wreckage of Grenfell tower a horrifying fire in which dozens perished and he said Grenfell is not just the result of bad political decisions it stands for a failed and broken system which led most and will replace so fairly hard instead of there but he says that Labor ready it's where we'll see what happens next time we get around to voting whether the country believes it. And here's the good news Britain's happier you know yes we're very happy and now I've always been fascinated with the well being read things at the Office for National Statistics have been coming up with the last few years where they go out and see what levels of happiness and self self satisfaction life satisfaction more like. Maybe like so I'm fairly self-satisfied some people call me smoke I don't know why that is anyway but my levels very very high at the moment Britain's happier than ever according to the stats that both hope life satisfaction and happiness since last year may be some mysteries out there could be surprised by this but the l.n.s. Pointed out the employment levels have been rising steadily making some people happier than normal and people confident about the stability of their finances I'm not sure so sure about that myself but the average life size fashion rating was up from 7.67 last year to 7.68 so it's not hugely up properties or broadens that's something to cheer mainly the happiest people in the country are in the craven District of North Yorkshire Now we went and have a look around to find out why basically because it looks really nice it's all green rolling hills the sheep and cattle grazing but we went to speak to the owner of the bojangles cocktail bar in Skipton which is in the heart of the critics district I was the McLennan and he says he wasn't quite sure why even happier but he's traveled a lot and worked in bars in Manhattan but Skipton is right up there with the best so if you want to go tonight how it had to get to not Manhattan there you go and after that Patrick mio you might want to pass it nicely and date obviously people listening to this show that they're listening not this not to the struggle to sleep below the quality of the radio and to let people talk about me and to please you know people people sleep very well while listening to the show I'm sure but I do have the recipe for the perfect night's sleep. There's been a saving of 2000 people in the put together results and discovered that you've got to go to bed at $1039.00 every night you've got to have the room temperature is $16.00 degrees Celsius down 16 point one not 16.0 or 16.216 point one clean bedding you could have a room is totally dark but painted right there you go and avoid you phone for 37 minutes before sleep so put all your. Phones down computers everything down Also you should also wear pajamas you know you go that's the recipe for a perfect night's sleep but could think well last of all a farewell to the actress who played the doctor in Coronation Street yet list or who played our 30 odd years on carnation street she suddenly passed away yesterday at the age of 77 there was lots of tributes that came in 2 and others from all over the country lots of actors of people in Coronation Street as well the current cast and it was a time to remember the greatest moments when she was on Coronation Street and honestly with Jack a husband who they had that love and hate relationship at the same time and it was just a list of one liners from lays out for a duck with such cold my eye and one of my favorites was it from the early 1990 s. When involved one of the characters Percy so good now he was going door to door selling house ways and not to Jack in the pool and he comes to the door just coming to us she was a dish soft and she said deadpan you can interest me no more in cloth and had to work or way. Yeah. Yeah.

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