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Bomb Vilma that's all caught up with Ali struck the news of 3 o'clock and tomorrow I'll be speaking to a mother of a young boy who has a rare condition which means that he forgets to breathe sleeping while speaking to rise always at 12 o'clock local and vocal across bad parts and this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. It's 3 o'clock I'm Jane Killick the headlines road rage killer transferred to open prison women killed in Chesham car crash and in football new signing for what for t b c 3 counties radio one of Britain's most notorious criminals Kenneth Moyo is serving a life sentence for murdering a man on the m 25 is to be transferred to an open prison the justice secretary David Linton agreed with a recommendation by the parole board the crime writer Tony Thompson says Noir is still viewed with fear by the criminal community one of the other witnesses in the the trial to the roguish killing was actually shot dead shortly after the trial and I think there's always been this mystique around can this no this is someone with connections used to work as a police informant long time as well so it was had a very high reputation and I think even this is a he still someone to this is that an elderly woman has been killed after her car crashed into the front of a house in Chesham it happened in King Street just before 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon the woman in her ninety's was pronounced dead at the scene a man who was stopped at Manchester airport with a pipe bomb in his hand luggage has been convicted of possessing explosives with intent to endanger life that day Mohammed who's 43 and from Barry tried to board a flight from Manchester to a Gamo in Italy in January. The parents of a 7 year old boy with a raging at it condition one the right to a review of the decision to refuse him access to a life changing drug high court judge ruled that an independent panel should decide whether the treatment should be funded our legal affairs correspondent Clive Coleman has more details the judge has ruled that that decision not to fund the drug on the basis that it wasn't clinically or cost effective was irrational and so found in favor of the family what it means is not that he is not what they call a mandatory order it doesn't mean they have to now provide him with a drug that decision or goes back to n.h.s. England but with this powerful judgement behind it the chances are I would suggest that he's likely to get it a former police officer has been jailed for 12 months for using the Force helicopter to spy on nudists and the couple having sex Adrian pulpmill was sacked by South Yorkshire police after he admitted misconduct in a public office John condé reports from Sheffield Crown Court 51 year old Adrian Podmore had pleaded guilty to 4 charges of using the South Yorkshire police helicopter to film Naked sunbathers on the ground and even friends have a guest sex session on a patio in the back garden the offenses happened on 4 occasions between 20072012 last week 2 serving police officers and 2 pilots were cleared by a jury of taking part in Pok more sordid activities in football what would have confirmed the signing of Brazil under 20 International which Alison after he was granted a work permit the 20 year old forward has joined on a 5 year contract for about $11000000.00 pounds while that start their Premier League campaign at home against Liverpool on Saturday and the weather remaining unsettled with showers along the spells of rain we get the latest news in sport online at b.b.c. U.k. Slash 3 counties. Well hello that only man here sitting in for a better only for a couple of weeks I tell you there is no sure assignment in August has come. Rob off to Italy to sun himself and me sitting here in the rain and the drizzle but keeping you company that's the important thing and what a pleasure is to have your company again I'm really looking forward to the next fortnight coming up on the show today at 6 pm our usual brilliant business panel will be here to pore over the business news of the Day 1st though we're going to be talking about motorways the f.a.a. Has said that most motorway road works may not be worth the disruption they're causing they reckon smaller chunks of roadworks might be more efficient and cause less inconvenience for you and I for the benefit that they provide How would you improve our motorways 034594 double 55 double 5 perhaps you'd have a lorry only lane please God make that happen perhaps you have a rollout of the small motorway system that we have in some of the 3 counties all perhaps you even think more road works are necessary more expansion bigger roads are great to know your thoughts on that how would you improve our motorways 034594 double $55.00 double 5 plus later this hour we'll talk about that gastro into rightists which is brought down some of the officials and volunteers but more importantly some of the athletes in London at the moment of the games have you ever suffered from gastro interactors be great to hear your stories what was it like would you have run the 400 metres email me your stories Ali that's why at b.b.c. Dot co dot u.k. And the biggest travesty of the day a Guardian columnist has today claimed it is time for Daniel Craig to step down as bombs he shouldn't sign the dotted line again he says because he's too old 49 I think that is outrageous but do you agree that it is time for a younger bombs text me 13 double 3 Start your message with 3 c. a song by him on Am digital and online this is on b.b.c. 3 counties radio why are you ready to talk about motorways I know this is something that will get some people's blood boiling just the very fact that we're talking about it especially if right now as you are listening you are stuck somewhere on one of our delightful my 2 eyes across the 3 counties but the question I want to ask you is how would you improve them how would you improve our motorways eighty's difficult. Isn't it maintaining that system of roads which we rely on these days it's amazing to think that you know 70 years ago no such thing existed but I suppose there are far fewer cars on the roads but how would you improve them would you have a lorry only lane that is very much what I pray for every night would you have a roll out of the smart motorway system that we have in some of the areas of the 3 counties or would you concede that actually you know they're not big enough that's the issue there isn't enough motorway and that requires more road works let me know 034594 double 55 double 5 the number to call you can text 813 double 3 starting your message with the word 3 c r that's how it gets to us or you can email me Ali that's o.-w. L.-y. At b.b.c. Dot co dot u.k. Well we're talking about this this afternoon because what we have major trunk roads through our 3 countries through our 3 counties rather which bring with them the biggest driver headache of roadworks motorists using the m one through Bedford Cierra possibly still having parties to celebrate the opening of junction 11 I was roadworks last in months and months and months so it's always a story of local interest when anyone weighs in on this subject of how we could make our motorways better and today that organization is the a and a who have said that most motorway were road works may not be worth the disruption that they cause the area is not a fan either of the smart motorway which is at the heart of many of the projects affecting motorists in the 3 counties at the moment Jack cousins is road policy spokesperson for the a.m.a. And joins me now hi jack Good afternoon Ali hi So we've got sections of smart No 2 as I was saying through Bedford share and Hartford share drivers do have very mixed views about them but drivers have mixed views about everything don't they help traffic flow. They do indeed and I think what we need to say from the outset is that we have a very big reservation and concern around one particular form of way which is all a running and that is your listeners will know is when the hard shoulder is converted into a permanent running line and then the trade off for not having the hard shoulder is that you have labor eyes which are called emergency refuge areas approximately 2 and a half kilometers between each other that's the bit that we have concerns about why because that does provide an extra lane and does seem to get me to my destination more quickly it does however highways England conducted 2 studies on sections of the m $25.00 which have all aim running schemes in place and within their analysis they came to the conclusion that drivers aren't using the new lane one. So the whole point of having all Ange running in its current system was to have an additional lane but the drivers weren't using them we were quite intrigued by that so we are approximately $16000.00 a members we gave them a scenario it's good weather like traffic you're on a traditional motorway 3 lane made to over the hard shoulder which Lane Do you drive in majority of drivers chose lame one that same scenario on an all lanes running stretch of motorway permanent conversion of the hard shoulder most drivers chose lane to so we asked them why and their response was more than 2 thirds which was the most popular sorry more than a 3rd which was the most popular answer was we fear coming across a broken down vehicle in lane one right Ok but I mean I wonder whether that's just a matter of education there because I mean of course it is more likely you're going to come across a broken down recline when it's the hard shoulder isn't it but at the same time these are relatively new it takes people a long time to learn what was drilled into them for decades when they were learning to drive which is only going to the hard shoulder in an emergency is like calling mine mine mine isn't it. It is but you've now got to remember that in an old game running scheme that hard shoulder isn't there it is a permanent running lane and you are now relying on drivers to get themselves into an emergency refuge area now until recently emergency refuge areas just look like a lay by the randomly spaced out on the motorway highways England to be fair after some pressure have now started to paint them in a very bright yellow we orange color and improve the signage to try and indicate to drivers that these are zones to be used in an emergency but they are still space too far apart as I said their space at the moment about 2 and a half kilometers apart we think they should be spaced a kilometer apart the reason we say that is that if there are more of them vulnerable vehicle has got much more of a chance to get themselves into one of a safe areas Ok so you've got a positive suggestion there for something that you think isn't working smarter ways but you look at the headline of your story that you put out today with the ira which is essentially saying the road works aren't worth the inconvenience but what is the positive spin that you know the road does need help and assistance and maintenance What are you suggesting should be done instead to make a mark to a better so we're saying that that change having more emergency refuge areas is a good starting point our preferred option of smart motorway is the one that the government actually rolled out with at the very start of this program which was the trial scheme on the m $42.00 that was where you had the hard shoulder become a permanent running lane during rush hour but you have far more frequent emergency refuge areas lots of signage that tell you the hard shoulder can be used as a running lane also a company hard shoulder do not use because it's being used as a hard shoulder so that the scheme that we would do that's the scheme that we were prefer but to go back to road works drivers are do have to accept as do way that if you want to improve the road network yes you do have to. Go through some pain in order to get the guy in however with running I'm from the studies from the m 25 it seems to be that. To put additional line in is not getting any guy in Interesting. Policy specs passing for. I. Discovered it was I remember the public. How would you. 3 counties radio in for Rob through until 7 pm tonight. We've been talking about how we could improve our motorways. They say that actually most motorway road works are not worth the disruption that calling 345-9055 double 5 with your view steps on the line high a stave. Going Yeah you know you're a truck driver which we can actually hear from the background noise as you. How do you think we can improve on motorways. Horses by ship very large by what age you're talking about this hard shoulder run in yes when there is ever so of course I have a better truck and a buncha bullshit this single child and it just doesn't show her my guard so I Ferengi bait you can go anywhere you've got where you are able are. Very very good so have you been in that situation and Verona smart too I noticed but Mark I bought it when our own child. Yeah and when there's no hard shoulder you literally just be in line one and drivers coming up behind you at 17 must be only 1990 miles an hour not knowing you're about to be there that's right but do you think that risk. Is that risk that small risk the risk basically that you could be involved in a collision if it and I'm careful driver behind you doesn't see you is that risk worth it to make the road go more quickly for everyone else I mean everything's a balance of risks isn't it in my to I driving you don't understand that and. You know of some very important only and all Jen up in on the. River is a line from where emergence from Asia as a good that's a good idea to have a running line an. Impression if you care if you look at Ok let me ask you as you are a truck driver because this isn't the winds me up as an ordinary was I would marry forgive me as a car driver let's not let's not name and shame as a car driver it does warn me up when the reason I'm in traffic is because you are overtaking another lorry What is the point of that should that be allowed because you can only go a certain speed can't you and everyone else behind you get stuck. Tell you gravely there. Are not just and it's all money drivers outright I would take the truck. Back again. But there are drugs just sit there and say. Would you like a lorry only line that's only see that's what I pray for at night. Only I'm going to show me their car and so I mean that I buy them in other places Yeah well if you're really going to try to arbitrate and you're only allowed $5.00 and. You're going to trust behavior I don't care in 20 more and you know. Yeah well that would work for you state but it worked for me. I mean about but then again I'll say it out on the car drivers and obviously Yeah and it was a wise bit of a go and I just said you know an apology pull and I was sorry you got yourself very very overtaken Anyway back involved and I shouted out so then just back got back up again yeah all right Steve thank you for the contribution good to speak to you. How would you improve the motorways folks 34594 double 55 double 5 like Steve would you like to see the end of the small marks way in a field not so far away expectations are sky high in the. Training and stick to it and in just a few moments the drama. Will kick captain. But only when the conditions almost ready just right. It's. Try making a parachute. Learn something new every day visit b.b.c. U.k. Sash terrific scientific. This is b.b.c. 3 counties radio 23 minutes past 3 have you well a man here sitting in for Rob at Dr and something this really well me up frankly today I'm not going to turn this important news but for people who are film fans this is the kind of thing that will absolutely rise to their consciousness immediately and is why I think this article has gone viral today it's a writer in The Guardian His name is Ben child he's written a piece in which he argues that Daniel Craig should quote quit while he's ahead as bombed what I mean there's never far as I'm concerned I'd go as far to say I mean I know Connery was great and everything but I think this probably never been a better Bond I am up for another installment of Daniel Craig is James Bond I am not up for them recasting at this stage he's not too old as far as I'm concerned at 49 to play bombs but anyway in this article a bunch of very much argues that he is and he says when Sean Connery returned as James Bond after a 12 year hiatus he tarnished his legacy Daniel Craig he says who has reportedly signed up for 2 more films would do well to heed the lesson Well let's talk to a.j. Chaldron editor of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang magazine which is published by the James Bond international fan club hi there i j Hello there only how you yes very well signed he do you agree that Daniel Craig has had his day. I think the fact we've been talking about it shows he hasn't I think I agree with he's the most vibrant Bond we've had for generations everyone has their favorite Bond but I think it's in all good will Daniel Craig has brought I mean a zest and vitality to bond critically and commercially and I think we article is all sort of all over the place really journalistically comparing Sean Connery's return up to 12 Yeah yeah he's not really comparing Sean Connery to he said never again in 1962nd is written. Diamonds of which was 4 years later which was a huge hit and miss is same similar to die no cranes positioned now I think the world loves die no Craig has changed bond I think his films from Casino roll through to Specter have been popular of course some people liked some more or less than others it's always subjective Well I feel as Quantum of Solace was a bit rubbish. I just agree personally but yeah lots of people say that. But you know a lot of people say they didn't like him Bond film you know I've just co-written a history of the James Bond films called some kind of hero with Matthew failed to save a 100 pages long and we remember how a film called on him as the Secret Service river evolved by fans and people hated it passion 69 not someone with Jaws lazing by now filmmakers and pundits think it's one of the best ever so and Roger Moore God rest his soul who passed away this year could have similarly sort of critically lambasted for generations and now his mature than people of evolve and said you know actually he was really good so bone does like good wine evolves and the films now currently Pierce Brosnan's era is sort of critically under-rated a little bit but I'm pretty sure that all the Bond films will have that day and I think the Guardian piece is just you know if done no Craig was so bad if people were clamoring for his exit they'd be clamoring for his exit instead they can't wait for the return and it's been announced the new Bond film in 2019 where there Craig is returning is not a fish all he had inside to say he probably will and he is currently the bond of record. Talking about his prose because you brought him out I mean that's a good comparison is new as you say this young Connery one is maybe a bit unfair is because there was a 12 year gap but with Burlison he equally like Daniel Craig sums up the era in which he was in which looking back on it now pretty recession 19 ninety's you know New Labor and all the rest of it seems like a. It's a frivolous and closer to kind of Roger Moore style but you know he did some of that era he was the bomb everyone like took the time he probably shouldn't of might die another day should he it was one film too many. Well people always cite this again I am going to go on 11 so I really like that film that is in the facts about Die Another Day It was the most successful James Bond film ever made at the time. By by a magnitude different yes now we look back on the invisible car an alley Barry or all the like a film like Moonraker Roger Moore's space opera Opus was derided by fans at the time now a look back again all it was a good fun piece of silliness and some Bond films are some Bond films on casino roll which are a gritty in a post 911 world so I think Bond films have different flavors for different people at the time down and that he was loved by people and it was ironically very critically adored of course it's got any special effects in it but you know what the same people behind are the other night Die Another Day sorry when the same people behind casino row as Skyfall so you know they're choosing different flavors boners go you know a lot of you know colors in the palette has been Ok And just to actually tackle the logic that this Guardian columnist has tried to put across in his article today there is an argument isn't that because the last 2 movies were directed by Sam Mendez they were that little bit darker and a bit more artsy than Bond has been for a while they did seem to be naturally wrapping up a story I mean no spoilers here if you haven't seen the last people movies but there are events that happen feel like a new generation is coming through and this is the end of lots of storylines for bones so from our point of view you can sort of understand coming that it sort of felt like the end yes I understand and on going all the way it's also then contradicted by the very same film the same subway basically boned the lives. And says and goes away with the girl that the spoiler was saying Well every Bond film sort of ends like that but especially lonesome is also less very eye opening to learn and what's going to happen now and in there in fact the last film was designed as a 2 picture series then you made one so yes you can have it on one side on the other side and all 3 every Bond film ends with a happy ending with Gone With the end so why it's not different to basically most of the Bond films and you're right Sam and put it on the level but I think Mark Foster Nottingham really did casino roll and the leave the off the faulty bombs on consumer soldiers was similarly kind of creatively hugely breaking with the formula and trying to find something you know they need but the writers Neil and Robert Wade and Paul Haggis and John Logan also high caliber writers so I think they set things up for a future boned me and a last one over as much as you can say they settle things down Ok fascinating speech we could talk about Bob we're going to have to stop we're going to die another day. Pleasure to speak to here he's the editor of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Magazine Do you agree with him and me I was trying to challenge him but we both think there's room for another Daniel Craig Bone movie 813 doubles 3 Start your message with 3 c.r. Or do you think 49 Daniel Craig is quite simply too old. Travel knees Fed beds can't stand box b.b.c. For 3 counties radio. From junction 50 for Northampton junction 16 full Daventry because of flooding commute other way also looking pretty slow is taking about half an hour along the normal apparently and also on the m one northbound is calling on the people pedal services myself Frankston and Wendover the a 413 London Road is calling both ways to use the words at said Station lane in Rickman's with now station wrote stays shut still with no spillage between high streets and homestead road that's been the case for. 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It's 330 I'm Jane Killick one of Britain's most notorious criminals kind of you serving a life sentence for murdering a man Liam 25 is to be transferred to an open prison the justice secretary David leading to agreed with a recommendation by the parole board the only woman has been killed after her car crashed in the front of a house in Chesham it happened thinking straight just before 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon a man who was stopped at Manchester airport with a pipe bomb in his hand luggage has been convicted of possessing explosives with intent to endanger life and he Mohammed who is 43 and from Barry tried to board a flight from Manchester to a Gamo in Italy in January a former police officer has been jailed for 12 months for using the Force helicopter to spy on nudists and the couple having sex age in pub was sacked by South Yorkshire police after he admitted misconduct in a public office the other beds out of the box outbreaks of rain turning very heavy in places those are the headlines the next bulletin is it for b.b.c. 3 counties radio in. St James the only man here in for a birthday through until 7 pm tonight coming up next a former head of g c h Q says parents shouldn't be frightened to encourage their kids to explore the online world and thereby save the country because you know they can learn computer programming and you nearing unpacking and things that can help the government to your grade but children could be spending and should be spending more time on mine . A class next. Day. Ok strong believers in the dark and in the lead guy and if you don't know what that's a reference to then you weren't paying attention in history class and we're going to talk now about whether children should be paying more attention to the online world you know if you've got kids chances are you're probably listening to me say that and thinking what are you talking about Ali it's not difficult to get them to pay attention to an i Pad It's not difficult to get them to pay attention to his actual network What's difficult is to get them to pay attention to the real world around them their family in the food raising in the restaurant and I'm with you I am with you but I'm also I think with Robert Hannigan Now Robert Hannigan is the former head of g.c.i. H.q. You know the clever computer people in the government and he said in The Daily Telegraph he's running a pace for them that parents shouldn't be as frightened as we are to encourage our kids to explore the online world you know that yes there are dangers out there that you want to protect children from online and yes some activities at that involve technology aren't exactly directly beneficial to a future career but that rather than allowing children. To mooch around the streets it is our Patry otic duty to encourage them to embrace and master the virtual world and the reason for that is that the u.k. Mustn't fall behind our digital rivals around the world he says the assumption that time online or in front of a screen is life wasted needs challenging it is driven by fear well does he have a point what do you think do you agree with him or do you think this is ridiculous have anyone even a former head of g c h Q Telling us to allow our children more time online digital literacy is not going to be a problem for this generation at text me 3 doubles 3 Start your message 3 or if you're a fan of digital culture you can email me as well why b.b.c. U.k. Let's talk to the technology expert Russell from b.b.c. Click. Yes Very well thank you do you think this is a good idea encouraging children spend more time online or do you have some reservations Oh God This story has me torn completely into those who know me well know that I'm a great supporter of not being fearful of the Internet of allowing children to experience the benefits in the many wonders of modern life and having said with regard to this comment I suspect that they want to move around outside on the street they want you don't necessarily have access to technology at home so you know it's a bit of a moot point in that respect once you've got you know i Pads and Playstation next book is probably on them rather than mooching but also even just train a kid at the Internet and saying Go have fun that's not necessarily a recipe for improving negative to skills you know and career prospects I think you know it's just spending time on Facebook or you know playing Candy Crush Saga or blowing a friend up in g.t.a. 5 is not necessarily going to be life changing. Yeah Ari I credit my career and love of technology to a game Elite back in 1904 when I was disengaged from school I wasn't learning the academic lessons they were teaching me and I got into elite and I was learning about economics you know buy low sell high I was learning about politics because it's based in this political political world that we were living in the eighty's you know I learned problem solving hand eye coordination so all of these things are now we don't line games they learn socializing as well so you know if you pick the right games and you don't just throw them at the Internet and say you know go have fun you know but you actually sort of help them to understand what's good to do and it can be a benefit I mean what's revered sights me a best as a broadcaster often kind of presenting stories like race and hosting this debate is the 2 worlds a race put as if they're polar opposites on they spend time outside or spend time on a computer and of course you know they don't have to be like that in fact one of the wonderful stories that we saw this time last year and this now sounds like something from back of me out but it was a crisis 12 months ago was the pope came on saying my kids were going around local parks and out exploring using augmented reality app games and actually that was a perfect merging of being outside and learning how to code and digital stuff as well actually and to me I mean thing I'm fortunate I think the people who do want to stay kids away from computers and take them away from the screen time it is born of fear and again I you know I think how to construct that perfect way that a lot of the kind of attitude of it's time wasted is out of prison by stare and a lack of understanding but if it's actually just took the time and shot that knowledge you know I use it like crossing a road in snow it's like it's a dangerous place if you don't know how to do it properly we don't stop our kids from crossing the road what we do is we cross it with them until we are sure that they know you know whether safety areas are hard to the left and right in the. Be safe so how we should take the opportunity actually to learn about the Internet by spending time online with the kids you know in the same ways you help with child to cross the road help a child to understand what's safe more isn't online but being with the mother doing it not just using is a babysitter Although I mean there is an hour of caution even on top of that to express there isn't there in that the social media apps most of them as I understand it I said recently changed the terms and conditions are aimed at kind of 14 plus 16 plus and although it's just a tick box when you sign up you're supposed to be of age to be able to use them and yet a lot of people and rather have again amongst them are talking about the benefits of learning social skills through social networks you know they're all people trying to sell drugs on social networks they're all paedophiles on social networks that's why the people who designed the app say you have to be not necessarily an adult present not 12 years old to be using them yeah and then you go across the toxic kind of anonymous comments and platforms we saw with our sketch then we have fiasco and now it's Iraq was coming up as well you know and this this creates a kind of environment of toxicity which can be really difficult for a young person to handle if they're not ready for it and we need to be really careful that it's the right kind of social skills that they're learning and not just the ability to hide anonymously behind the Internet and and try drama people's door because you know kids that list certain age that you know the drama is quite exciting thing then it's all about gossip and drama but that can be really really damaging and hurtful we are getting into this kind of validation culture where people who don't feel like they're there would be if they haven't had enough like Celeste not just with a Instagram so you know again not something that we need to be cautious solve at the same time accepting and enjoying the wonderful but it's because of being able to share pictures and thoughts about life with people we must. Too hard on you know either direction. Sums up to this conversation. From b.b.c. . Kids. Maybe spending more time on the computer. A a good luck. Forever also just in Hayward on big c 3 counties right it doesn't feel like it for every ultimate moment doesn't it but it is actually August hopefully that some will return and remind us that it is in fact summer man here sitting in for Rob we were just talking about computer games and how they might be beneficial for children he hear a lot lot about how they're sort of warping our children's brains and making them fat and lazy and you know unable to do anything productive in life but the former head of g c h Q Today is saying encourage our children to embrace digital literacy which sounds like a good thing until you realize it does mean basically spending more time on smartphones and computers many of you out there no doubt just thinking my kids and I asked him a party much time already on computer has to get to know your thoughts on what he said 034594 double 55 double 5 but I was just over just trying to keep Russell from b.b.c. Click about how she actually she things learnt a lot of the skills she uses as a technology journalist from having played a video game when she was a kid and it got me thinking about whether I'd learn anything. From computer games I was really into granny's garden. Remember that b.b.c. Micro whatever it was called one of those starter computers my primary school had one of those it was a text based game where if memory serves you had to steal apples. I'm still partial to stealing an apple if one is available you know I would like to get the kids for free in Tesco I'll be honest I've occasionally pretended to be 7 but apart from that I can't think of any implication from that on my life the thing that I can relate to that is the sum of that I spent when I was about 16 years old just playing theme park remember that was the game where you pretended to be I think part magnate Now I don't in fact own a theme park as an adult but it taught me some basics about business I think as far as I recall the trick was put a toilet next to the exit of every ride so that if people feel queasy they're not going to vomit on your carpet they're going to go straight into the layer put loads of salt in the fries and then put a cola dispensary right next to where the chips were sold and remember to put lots of ice in the color so you make no profit. Business crash course will lead to all through that one summer when I did nothing but leave my bedroom and place in. I'm sure that's what the bite from d.c. Actually was on about I'm songs you really love that was 1st recorded by the songs you haven't heard it is. Called the sun. And the songs that mean the most so I think that if anybody can make this is a memorable experience made. Me was growing up as a page in a 1st song you hear the sort of traction stick in your mind thinking just in daily Sunday mornings from here on b.b.c. 3 counties right here. Yeah that's just and he'll be back from some that 9 like he says at the moment you're with me all the man sitting in for Rob on drive through until 7 now big news this evening way out of the sports headlines and into the main news headlines are those athletes who have come down with gastro and to rightists you have to feel some sympathy for them don't you I mean they have come all around the world from all around the world to take part in the World Athletics Championships in London I don't really says for London Cullen or a yeah offerings that you know they've been to Rio and they've been to Beijing but it's in London that they all get gastroenterologists but you have to feel sorry for them they've trained for years months they haven't eaten at a thing apart from liquefied nano juice and then in their big moment they get gastro into. Writer said is a big story it's affected some volunteers as well and some of the staff working down there Public Health England say at least 30 athletes and support staff have been affected a hotel has been ruled out as the source of the Mustang in the same hotel probably about isn't the source so what are the physical or mental effects that this virus will be having on the athletes and just how fast can gastro enteritis spread Well Dr Derek gatherer is a lecturer in the division of biomedical and life sciences at Lancaster University Hi there Derrick Good afternoon Hi How quickly can they spread that it can spread Only man here sitting in for Rob drive on b.b.c. 3 counties radio in the next hour I will return to the story of The Who have said that most motorway road works maybe not worth the disruption that they cause do you agree 34594 double 55 double 5 if someone who doesn't take Givens from the road haulage Association I'll be speaking to her in a moment she thinks roadworks all worth it almost. No cold and vocal across Bennett's hearts and this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. It's 4 o'clock I'm Jane Killick the headlines man convicted of trying to take a bite pipe bomb on a. Lane P.C.'s those in Luton sent to investigate car vandalism and in football new signing for what for b.b.c. 3 counties radio a man who was stopped at Manchester airport with a pipe bomb in his hand luggage has been convicted of possessing explosives with intent to endanger life now the Mohammed who's 43 and from Barry boarded a flight from Manchester to a Garmo in Italy in January or Reporter Dan Whitworth has more on the case security officials spotted this device in his carry on hand luggage and they detained him Upon further examination though they didn't believe it to be a viable explosive device and he was allowed to leave the airport now a week later he actually returned to the airport managed to catch a flight to Italy now it wasn't until 3 days after that then an explosives expert actually identified this device as a crude but potentially viable improvised explosive device Lucian police say they have not had reports of vandalism in a road which residents say is being used by air travelers to park while using Luton Airport cars parked in holly bush road had windows smashed and messages painted on them accusing drivers of being selfish and having no respect police community support officers are being sent into the area to make inquiries a mother of 4 from Kent has been found guilty of trying to smuggle 12 enemies migrants into the u.k. Through the Channel Tunnel Katie Bethel who's $28.00 and from Gillingham was heavily pregnant at the time Simon Jones reports from Maidstone Crown Court the migrants 4 men 5 women and 3 children were found hiding in the back of a van load of tires in July 25th seen by a Border Force officer in cocktail he spotted a leg sticking out of one of the tires Katie Bethel was a passenger in the vehicle driven by her then partner are on her wrists earlier pleaded guilty to assisting unlawful immigration but Katie Bethel claims she had no idea the migrants were in the van the prosecution accused her of talking nonsense Her car has struck a building in Milton Keynes and injured a woman inside it had. Just after 2 o'clock this afternoon in Blundell's road in Brownsville the man who was driving the car was injured Public Health England says it's working with the organizers of the World Athletics Championships in London to limit the spread of an outbreak of norovirus 30 athletes and support staff have been affected by the stomach bug Dr Derek gather is a very old just and says athletes at the peak of their physical fitness are no better protected from the virus than anyone else it's an extremely infectious virus it's been estimated that only 18 vital part of course are required to initiate an infection and you can catch it from using the facilities even when the person that you're in you're catching it from has long gone from that area so it's very easy to spread rapidly through shit facilities in football what would have confirmed the signing of Brazil under 20 International which Alison after he was granted a work permit the 20 year old forward has joined on a 5 year contract for about 11000000 pounds but that's not their Premier League campaign at home against Liverpool on Saturday and the weather a cloudy night with more showers and a low of 11 Celsius to make it dry in the early hours to get the latest news in sport online at b.b.c. U.k. Slash 3 counties. Good afternoon 3 minutes past 4 this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio only man here sitting in for Rob for the next couple of weeks we've been talking about how we could improve our motorways the f.a.a. Today have said that most motorway road works may not be worth the disruption that they cause sort of music here isn't it if you're someone who's had to endure the incredible disruption that various motorway road works of course across the 3 counties in recent years but what are they actually proposing we do about it I spoke to a chap from the area about an hour or so ago on the program and he centrally said well we need on our smart Motorways which we have a lot of around here now we need more areas of refuge where people come polling. So that people feel more confident using the hard shoulder as one I mean. It's not going to necessarily improve the drive not for you and me assuming you're a car driver how would you improve. 34594 double 55 double 5 I'll be speaking to a lady from the road haulage Association about that in just a moment plus we'll continue the conversation about whether you think seems a strange question to ask children should spend more time online I know what you're thinking it's not exactly difficult to get them to pick up a computer or smart fine but it's all about what they're doing on my computer or smartphone or even games console there is of course a lot of value in having fun but then it's easy to construct the argument right now from outside the outside. But what about if they're learning computer coding What about if they're learning the skills that could turn them into the next generation of engineers hackers making sure that our computer infrastructure in this country isn't brought down by outside a malicious force is what then do you think children actually should be spending more time online you can text me as well. Your message with the word 3 c. Or you can e-mail me. At b.b.c. Doc. This is b.b.c. my phone during today's show not because I'm not enjoying myself or because I think there may be some haters out there on social media I can deal with you guys because it's actually my son my 18 month old son's 1st ever full day at nursery today he's done the warm up session so that you have one for free by 6 he's been twice for free which is great as it settles in but that was for increasing amounts of time 3 hours 1st which is absolutely fine with the last time is for the whole afternoon and last and that was just a sense the next day he can't talk or you can talk but he speaks fluid jibberish but it was a sense the next day or what was that they just kept looking at me like What was that. Just today is the 1st 30 in the morning today's the 1st day he's only doing one day wake but it's the 1st day ever was my wife's doing some work he's going to be at the nursery the whole day so no one's called Yet everything seems to be fine so we're all on we're all on board everything's fine but he was fine when I dropped him off. But then what happened is. All the kids who having their 1st day at Nasseri who are a bit younger 6 months 9 months old and they come in full streams of tears and you get the impression he looks them things oh that's what I should be doing across beds and backs this is b.b.c. 3 counties maybe and. 10 houses fall now the f.a.a. Has said that most motorway road works may not be worth the disruption that they cause as we had earlier on the program they don't like the small Motorways which are being introduced to long stretches of the m one across the county and as we saw with the creation of junction 11 I in Bedford share those road works can last for 500 years so is the disruption not always outweighed by the promised improvements Let's talk to Kate Gibbons from the road haulage Association Hi there Kate. Hi is it Given's or Gibbs escapes. My scripts but on my screen it's a Gibson was torn gapes at d.c. Some roadworks simply aren't worth it. Only if. You know. Who the some roadworks for example short. You know because of for example results of potholes. In militancy road work yes they can cause a tremendous amount of congestion especially if you are for example a road warrior and you're trying to make a delivery on time and you suddenly find that you know you can be stuck in road works you know illness a family hours but then again you have for example the emissary which opened I think it was last week before as a smart Most away now as a road work so that has taken a couple of years. And it hasn't been the easiest time for regular users as that particular stretch of the. Which I am one that having said that it is a case of. If you know when the robots are going to start and know when they're due to finish and these construction companies around the massive penalties if they don't come in on time with the with the work with changes. Then you can make alternative arrangements we have a degenerate humans might involve a massive veto might need that much I mean yes it is a little tentative arrangement but it civilian convenient and what the I am saying is it's just not worth it for the benefit you get on the right afterwards. I think that I would have to disagree on that one again it is a case of United it's not one size fits all and I think to be honest it's a case of you know congestion cost time and it costs money which is again if your read holier that is the big issue for you so anything that makes your journey easier and if that means in a year or so. Of being held up again if as long as they are planning is right and the less occasion is right you can plan your journey accordingly and. I mean what is worth a year of disruption. Well a year of disruption manes can mean a future of travelling where there is no disruption it really is a case of no pain no gain and I mean I was speaking to a fellow. Who called in to say that he felt the small ways really aren't working because that if he breaks down he can't fit into one of the refugees at refuse refuge areas. So he was saying you have to just stop in the hard shoulder and they just haven't thought about lorries in that scenario at all. I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree with that one. I think you know that there is still I think there is still a lot of village cheating problems which have got to be so she's out sooner rather than later and inevitably in some cases that is going to mean an extension of roadworks but. You know they out. As we all know roadworks cost an absolute fortune that it's got to be it has to be money well spent The plan is contra forward for it not to be. Ok great to speak to you Kate Gibbs there from the road haulage association she's not a fan of the smart money to either but she does say I'm like Yeah but in most cases not all but in most cases up to a year's worth of disruption is worth it to improve our motorways because a lifetime of convenient driving off towards once they fix that pothole your great 34594 double $55.00 double 5 let's take a break from talking about all this trouble on the roads and talk about trouble on the road. Traveling. 3 Counties radio. Kings was late heading into the. Plane heading into the radio. Station. On all senses. And heads up. By the weather conditions it's not looking. Good if you had. 3 Counties Radio thank you George and what would you do if we improved you have nothing to talk about. This is true actually it could be out of. 3 Counties radio. For me to be about singing along to some of your favorite songs. And. Something wrong me getting to know your neighbors for. Me when I started out I. Think that you need to doing things in the community people have been supported to to keep. Am. Generally enjoying time together the mindfulness. Making of a life. Finding out your view on b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Well I was reviving wasn't it the faces of the state well wow little drum Flora should be on there for about one. Faces and stay with I wish I'd been telling a joke because that would have been like on The Tonight Show deliverance stay with me on b.b.c. 3 counties radio is 21 minutes past for I'm only man in case you just tuned in expecting Robin wondering where he is he sunning himself in Italy like he does every August he's very calming because he takes his holiday from midweek to midweek as well so any of us do half a week when he comes back seriously man's got to sign up very very clever and it is my honor and privilege to be here with you for the next fortnight or so are filling in for the great man now let's talk about the mother from Hitchin who's on a mission to spread the word about a red disease following has some life changing diagnosis she's created a cartoon character called the cow as Sackey kid now cow a sucky disease looks like any other childhood illness and it often starts out with what resembles a favor Patterson is the mom we're talking about she joins me now hi there Lucy you know I welcome to the show I guess you can tell us a lot more about this disease because that's what you're trying to do is spread awareness about it and how was your son diagnosed what was his name and how did you . 1st encounter this. It's all some called stand they and he became quite poorly quite quickly we took him to the doctors and not he just sort of mentioned how southeasterly sort of starts out as showing signs of normal child to do. With like a high temperature he had like this little rash on his tummy that like prickly he had really bright bloodshot eyes it's just so strange to us so we took him to the doctors. And what was filming at this point he's 2 and a half Yeah Ok and half so we took him to the doctors and they say they said to us we can see his arm well but you know we don't do is anything wrong with him but come back in a few days which we did and he got a lot worse quite quickly and it was then that we were taken to list a local hospital and they thought he had meningitis so he had like a lumbar puncture and all those the sort of things stage I mean even just meningitis obviously because I'm on the phone going to see how I mean just that talk my sis is scared just know that I mean we were quite that defied he was in the poor he's such a sweet voice been through so much one don't mention callous Archy's disease but they were very concerned they was pretty sure that it wasn't and we were discharged after a week at the end that list but they thankfully test this appointment at the will prompt him in London which is a cardiology hospital just to kind of rule everything out and say I went with my dad knew just sort of you know I think we're going to go for a quick you know echo and then we're going to have lunch or something and it turned out that he had he had the neck within feet of 1015 minutes we were surrounded by doctors and they were saying some very scary things to us what was I saying. They said to us that he had he definitely had callus or he ses he still had it he had 2 giant aneurysms in his coronary artery and that they suspected a clot in one of the aneurisms and so Stanek go emitted straightaway to the intensive care unit and he was treated quite aggressively and if there was point I'm guessing you probably don't know what kind of a sucky disease is just not much of our audience at the moment 6 months is what is every citizen without pay so if you know what you did say it was rare it's actually not that when now it's doubling every 10 years I mean it's good it's quite rare for us but it's more that it's just no it's a it's a disease that affects the blood vessels it causes inflammation of the arteries new generally have a 10 day window to treat this is a treatable disease it's just that if it goes beyond that 10 days it works its way to the coronary artery and then that's it you know that he Stanley lives with this the rest of his life and you know we're managing it where I'm nervous and spice and all the time he has to have 3 different types of anti christ relation with them so we have to inject him twice a day now and he has to have all meditation and we have to be very careful but he doesn't bump himself you know you say you've got a little 18 months out you know what it's like children are always bumping themselves they were just really nervous but I'm just I'm not sure this is what was the same is it that he could have by the chaos attack if it is exactly exactly that so he could have a heart attack or he you know we could himself and he could have a bleed on the brain or something so that is that with ice and dogs and people just don't know enough about how Socrates there just isn't enough research information that you know I say that it's doubling every 10 years they don't know why they don't know why. That effects more boys more than effects girls they don't know why that is why it's more common in Asian children that sample is something like one in $69.00 children in Japan have calloused alkies and it's a 100000 in the u.k. Interests quite interesting I just find it really difficult just to sort of sit back and just allow this. To be the childhood disease when it is the leading cause of acquired heart disease in children it's just shift really upsetting and I don't know what is really wanted in Japan and where it is much more common than I mean is it just that actually some of that research hasn't been translated There must be a lot more understanding in Japan about it yeah I believe there is more but there's just not enough resources to fund it I think that's a problem there's lots of lots of kind of stairways out there around cows Saki I mean there's a people think that it's you have a pretty genetic disposition which is triggered by environmental factors for example I spent all my evenings at the moment like researching looking online and there is an amazing callous Aki paw grape and I've been incredible and really helped really helped some other families Ok and been in contact with them it's just been amazing Actually you want to raise the awareness obviously beyond people who've been affected by this image of a really read disease so you've created a cartoon character is that right oh yeah so we've created a child a kid and he or she looks so much like Stanley with his wild hair and cheekiness and you know Stanley is a little boy that's been through an awful lot I mean more than any child should have to bear but he just he is a super hero he's just incredible and I think we just wanted to kind of farewell to portray that and use that as a way to kind of raise awareness by creating this that little cult. Character of the guy who has just so praised and been amazing it was a goodbye we have a family friend I mentioned that my brother and he said well I got a mate who have to design a little cartoon touch of stuff so it will just started from there really Ok so if you're listening to this particularly if you work in schools or your magic or something and you can help raise awareness of counter Saki disease where can you find. So you need to go to w.w. Kids. And we've also got a little Facebook page which is just ask our Saki kids and there's loads of information on the. Website which is about to take a charity to raise and that's w w. I don't you k. Is funny society but with the y. At the end. Very good if you're going to raise awareness to your pronunciations correct. You've done a great 1st step here as well by coming on the right. The question. To Stanley as well Leslie thanks so much Ok good to speak to. Kid is the thing to go if you want to find more about Lucy's campaigning for her little boy Stanley things cross like said you know they're managing and he's going to be all right but it's interesting isn't a rare thing in the u.k. I've never heard of it before I had to. Travel. Hits 430 I'm Jane Carrick The man who was stopped at Manchester airport with a pipe bomb in his hand luggage has been convicted of possessing explosives with an intent to endanger life now d. Mohammed who's 43 am from Barrie boarded a flight from Manchester to become 0 in Italy in January Luton police said they've not had any reports of vandalism in a road which residents say is being used by air travellers to park while using Luton Airport cars parked in holly bush rode it out their window smashed the messages painted on them accusing drivers of being selfish and having no respect. A car struck a building in Milton Keynes and injured a woman inside it happened just after 2 o'clock this afternoon in Blundell's road in broad ville the weather staying cloudy with showers. On the sport and in football what would have signed 20 year old Brazilian forward which Alison won a 5 year deal from firm in a.z. He cost around $11000000.00 pounds there are League Cup 1st round matches tonight falutin m.k. Dons Wickham and Stephen h. Their general home to Ipswich manager Nathan Jones is trying to play down continued transfer speculation surrounding striker Isaac Purcell in my time. We expect we'll get bids for not far from everyone because we think we do. Want What I don't know I don't know why or what we can for used long things like that because we have a focus we have a goal that we want to achieve this season and nothing can do me we have $600.00 more tickets for their trip to bonnet on Saturday elsewhere tonight m.k. Dons are a forest green welcome host for them and Steve go to Millwall the bar midfielder Dale Coleman says it will be a tough challenge against a Championship side which played them in pre-season they go directly fairly but it's it's an exciting challenge as well by the team like know all such abuse very unlike the down hours before give them a while to sleep and there's commentary on all Tonight's matches in 3 counties sport from 7 of the World Athletics Championships what Ferd's car Langford goes in the final of the men's 800 metres just after 930 he qualified 5th fastest from the semifinals is my go to get in for final. On the far season has been a bit rocky but you know I'm here now Hannah fill her boat out now for the born baby seat recount his knees in sport the next bulletin is at 5 b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Afternoon 27 Tell me you tell me sweet little lies I tell you. And this is bigger than it's not I'm just messing with you. I'm only saying in for Rob on b.b.c. 3 counties right here it is 23 minutes to 5 we were talking earlier about the former head of g c h Q Who says parents shouldn't be frightened to encourage their kids to explore the online world and thereby save the country love to know your thoughts on this kid spending more time online than going outside cannot be a good thing takes me $13.00 doubles for a start your message with the words 3 c.r. If you're a techno 5 you can call as well I 34594 double 55 double 5 or you can email me if you're a real wordsmith. Why b.b.c. Dot co dot u.k. Robert Hannigan is the man concerned he's the guy that used to run the government intelligence computer a clever you know smart people nerd bit and he says rather than allowing children to move around the streets it is our Patry otic duty to encourage them to embrace and master the virtual world so the u.k. Doesn't fall behind its digital rivals he said in an article he wrote for The Telegraph today that the assumption that time online or in front of a screen is a life wasted needs challenging it is driven by fear. You know he has a point let's talk to Sue Akon Sue is the author of Parenting made easy how to raise happy children and also a former deputy head teacher highest see. How low as a form of that you see had Teacher How would you feel about your kids at school not going outside in their lunch break but spending all of it in the computer a not a happy person really because I'm a great believer in balance in everything I think it's important what they're doing online and you know if they're learning to code and going on courses or something in the summer holidays fantastic technology is amazing but if people are using as electric babysitters and children as young as sort of to accomplish that on I was then of course I'm not in favor of it's not a balance is it well it isn't and you're absolutely right when you're talking about getting a toddler to shop in a restaurant maybe it's not the best thing to always pass the tablet computer but just as you know elite sportspeople will say that they became elite sportspeople because they spent many summers during jumpers for goalposts in the park and having fun before they discovered professional sports I mean you know does the computer program that your child is playing have to have an obvious educational value it's still teaching them something about using a computer and understanding the digital world understand but of course I work with an awful lot of parents who whose children are addicted to their technology and they can't get them off and they don't put trees around them and you know children are not sleeping there's a link to not sleeping with obesity there are children who are going to suffer mental health issues which you know kids. You know it's a summer holiday they should be out reading and writing but like as well as having down time on technology like with you and all the social things as well but what we're talking about here is pushing boundaries that for example instance you know 18 month shouldn't be on the screen at all and then children really a cool you know 2 to 5 year olds should only be on for about an hour and then you've got older children of course it depends what they. Doing and if you're not monitoring it what all they watch and I had a 9 year old fan you know the family came to see me because the 9 year old playing on something quite innocently clicked on something and turned up on a porn site and he was told the tallest So we need to try and get this balance and I think this was a slightly on helpful order or I don't know where that was on the help flow is meant to get the media's attention because it was yesterday that was the children's commissioner saying you know of course in balance but we need to put boundaries around children we wouldn't be feeding them junk food every day just as we shouldn't allow them to be on all my computers and technology and i Pads and screens copiously all summer holidays are generally speaking yeah I think the problem is and I'm saying this earlier Kate Russell from b.b.c. Claim has Wow that so often the 2 concepts are put in direct competition with you have their own that you know are you on your computer or yeah finding a tree. It is actually possible easy to climb a tree and take a picture of it on your smartphone or you can do both and not fall off. And is about trying to encourage not balance isn't it and not what you know as a parent the one thing you really don't want to do is to suggest to your children anything is something that you either think is very beneficial for them because of the think it's boring holes on the absolutely mustn't touch because that's the very 1st thing they're going to try and do yes and I think as I keep coming back to I think everything in balance you know age appropriate then look at what they're doing again I don't I what was quite a few pushy parents as well who only let them do sort of educational apps and games well that's not sort of the balance All right the children need to have a relax and play and enjoy things but as I say it is this balance between offline and online and actually then looking at teenagers if we all shocks of people that want to crack codes and all that stuff and particularly goes I'm a huge person in favor of stem for girls as well so you get engineers and you get girls in technology and then you know that's a healthy balance as well isn't it I suppose. The problem with this always is when it comes to governments making laws and guidelines about what should be going on when adolescents use the Internet is just always even someone who used to run g c h Q is probably guilty of this the institutions run by adults are just out of step already with whatever it is that teenagers are doing at the moment I mean you know I don't know how much understanding robot Hannigan has about Snap Chat for example but you can't monitor what they're doing but all sides you can't necessarily monitor what the good lessons might be that they're learning along the way you know all I know is I remember I was in Malta last year and I was on holiday and we were having lunch in a restaurant and there were teenagers sitting around 6 of them and they were all on their screens and then they all laughed at the same time because obviously they all got the same joke things and I mean that is not all when I saw that you know that's unusual So again of course it's a balance and you know look at what they're doing encourage them to develop and understand that knowledge if that's the whole thing and you're right we do suffer from head in the South I mean I'm a lot per head in the sand where they don't understand snatch and they don't understand if the kids are being so little bullied they don't understand sex texting they've got to you know keep ahead of the if you can as a parent sit down with your kids actually and say listen more you so interested in that show me it tell me about it let me learn about and be open minded about it and then you've got the healthy dialogue I think it's where I get tight is when you just give a child the technology if you don't want to engage with them and you want to do something else instead Yes I think I think everyone can agree on math it's just a question isn't it a finding that balance that you are talking about say and where that lies who knows where great pleasure to speak to thank you my pleasure see you at Cannes that author of Parenting made easy how to raise happy children former deputy head teacher as well and she was saying essentially that if the students in her school spend more time online less time playing outside she would not be a happy teacher would you. Be a happy parent if your child spent more time learning to code spend more time understanding digital culture spend more time building programs that perhaps have no stunt simple value to the world as you see it as a grown up devolve into something of tremendous value I mean let's not forget that is how Facebook now one of the world's biggest companies started it was essentially a just gone teenager I mean how old was 2021 when he developed it sort of ranking the girls in the college that he liked and who he might like to sleep with hardly the most. You know who are worthwhile or one the grown ups looking at would say well there's something tremendously educational that's going on but that evolved into something that created a phenomenon hires thousands of people all around the world and Dolls whether you like social networking or not have intrinsic value do you think there is intrinsic value in making your kids spend more time online and less time playing outside 34594 double $55.00 double 5. Travel a way. We're going to talk about traffic lights in Milton Keynes 3 counties radio. A horror story about something they bored shipwrights look forward to something that's happened but if you kill. Someone makes you feel. Good for their. Take on your problems and deliver you results you give them the full ball and you know you look great in the physical. Tackling your consumer problems here on b.b.c. 3 counties radio. And some are. The. Good ol. about this time of year when the slightly hapless Brits had to various different locations around the world. This is story that I just spotted in the Daily Mirror It is the tale of a lady called Gaby Jarvis's she's 17 years old and from Leeds and she as being on holiday to Malaga on the Costa del Sol and she is a vegan and us quite interesting this because I've got a friend and yes some of my best friends are vague and I've got a friend who is a vague and and says essentially that he can't be a vegan when he leaves the house or that although he's a beacon for ethical reasons. And he believes it's wrong to the milk cows for profit and all the rest of it and you know who get eggs from chickens when he leaves the house he's just a vegetarian or vegan because it is so hard to actually be able to keep up the commision as soon as you leave the house because you go to a sandwich bar and they're like Ok so you don't want butter cheese sandwich with. You can have cheese eggs or you can have eggs and essentially literally he buys a lettuce leaf for 4 pounds so you just as right fine. I'll just be a vegetarian forget it. Well the stories like that Gabby. Was talking about her sister who is vague and who went to this place in Malaga originally ordered a vegetarian pizza with no cheese that was her attempt to try and do veganism in Malaga but staff said no no no we can't do that it has got egg in it so even if you take Jesus going to don't have a pizza have one of our delicious salads and they served us and there's a picture of it which did the rounds on social media and it's essentially 2 tomatoes that have been cut into courters with some red onion sliced. And that's the salad the picture has been like more than $40000.00 times on Twitter and been retreated more than $1000.00 times it cost 7 year owes this tomato an onion salad which was literally I say again 2 tomatoes coated and some red onion sliced on top which does lead me to wonder whether my mate is on to something are you a vegan is it just easier to be a vegetarian in public and not come out as a vegan at all just much easier to stay vegetarian when you're in public and what's it like when you travel abroad if you've been especially to Europe this summer if you've been to Spain or Italy where vegetarianism basically doesn't exist but veganism is just an absolute no starter What do you have what do you order where you go what to eat text me 13 double 3 Start your message with 3 c.r. Across beds and back this is the man. B.b.c. 3 counties radio. 8 minutes of 5 on b.b.c. 3 counties radio and we've been talking about traffic today specifically motorway traffic that's after the I suggested that some road works really aren't worth it because the so-called improvements that they bring in just aren't that good it's not we're seeing convenience of the road works to get the small benefit that the road works bring us as drivers be a also doesn't like small Motorways which are currently at the heart of many roadworks in the u.k. But there is plenty of other technology being developed this supposed to make life and journeys easier for us motorists and there's something happening in Milton Keynes the B.B.C.'s Richard West Coast has been that. Well here's a fact I never thought I'd have to know Milton Keynes has got 930 sets of traffic lights and just going through one set now. Problem is. None of them a very clever. Use of a really quick question probably a bit random you have not thought about it much good at the traffic lights in Milton Keynes every time you put up it's always a red and because it's a great system it's if you me should tell you the weight of the 4 times that it went. So not very small to be not very smart but how would you feel if I said they might have found a way of making them more plentiful I don't know if they like having me. Explain what. So we're approaching yet another round of violence in Milton Keynes and on and. And I have to your job is basically to make the road spectrum Milton Keynes for everybody as it is yesterday. Most of the traffic lights in Milton Keynes kind of phased approach so he's It Time To he's worked on. The life for each approach so he's not very intelligent so the current law it's all very broadly because of the rudimentary way that they work out how long to keep them rant at the moment a team goes out and digs a hole in the road bury someone else then covers them up and looking at the mounts now at this junction the wires count the traffic going over the top but they can't really tell the difference between different types of vehicles and they don't count sleekly so pedestrians the data is really basic but all of that is they say the amount of change. So this is one of our small traffic senses but that's what you've got here is I come in a box it will look at the voting process that video on the device anonymous States about how the votes being used to put us through movements cyclists cause crimes trucks that sort of thing and then the video gets discarded on device we know for sure take us off pizza Milton's from a company called vivid city lamps that's been given 1700000 pounds of government money to spend the next few months fixing shoe box size sensors on the lamp posts all over the city. And it's a really busy street same we're looking at a book Stop it just says bus car fan the computer is picked out exactly what everything is I mean no matter how quick it's going about how different the designs and lower designs are since we had to pick it out exactly and then the final piece of the puzzle is tracking those individual things once you put my fame to fame and that will give you information of how they're moving full speed then moving up accelerating to. I like that I think might be about to turn red or they decelerating because they've seen a bright light and all fast information you can then feed back into the management of the city so you can picture a computer software can be trained to pick in detail exactly what's driving cycling and walking around and send the info back in real time to be analyzed they can then adjust the traffic lights to work more efficiently cyclists could be given a heads up busy junctions lorries could be given a green light if nothing's coming meaning they won't have to slow down and speed up again which generates more pollution. Well this is the control room where if anything goes wrong with the traffic Lawrence in Milton Keynes these are the people that put it right and get the traffic flowing again and I'm here with Geoff tell us tell us what you do director of strategy at Milton Keynes council so I was looking at the long term development of the city in other words it's Geoff's Nelson's job to decide how to use all of this data in the future they could go for a small traffic lights or something even more ambitious just take a situation where you're having your breakfast and conflicts and your planning your journey to work and you look on a map and it says well you can choose if you're driving one of 2 routes and Route one will get you there in 20 minutes and so much carbon dioxide into that route so you've got a great a certainty of getting there it might take a little bit longer though and the. Amount of carbon dioxide so you can make a journey choice about where and how you drive but it will also give you information about this in public transport so you can make the choice about the mode as well. Go back in the car and the Dickinson and the still taking in the sun the small technology gives. A real change in the white not just with the case but I think. In the u.k. Approach how how they manage traffic and traffic so it was interesting. To revel it's. A familiar feeling in Milton Keynes the B.B.C.'s Richard West who's I think you know him for his art as a journalist really taken the toughest assignment going but also the most glamorous you know when you spend the afternoon in Milton Keynes talking about traffic lights I think you rose to the occasion admirably. A little. Note for your diary in an hour's time it's our business panel because it's a Tuesday evening so 6 pm this evening we can be talking about all the big business stories got a great panel the save a business video maestro and I'll pay trainer and a business advisor will be joining me there Derek Neal if you're a regular listener to the show we're going to talk about things like business rights for pubs do you think that because so many pubs are closing there should be an extra subsidy from the state they shouldn't have to pay as much tax and what about rail cards going digital travel cards just old fashion should we be using our credit card every time we get on a try to. Travel beds. B.b.c. thanks for that Georgina the sound of summer's near the weather's looking terrible it's going to affect the roads. Well it is summer which means I'm here sitting in for Rob very much enjoying it anyway in the next hour as solid news stories we're going to be talking about the potential ban on the use of police tasers on anyone under 18 and a change in provision for special needs local and vocal across Baird's cats and dogs this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. It's 5 o'clock I'm Jane Killick the headlines man convicted of trying to take a pipe bomb on a plane p.c.s. Those in Luton sent to investigate car vandalism and hackers holed Game of Thrones to ransom b.b.c. 3 counties radio a man from Barry has been found guilty of possessing explosives with intent to endanger life after a pipe bomb was found in his hand luggage at Manchester Airport now the Mohammed who's 43 was initially a loud to go free and only detained 2 weeks later after the device had been tested They've guessed reports the improvised pipe bomb had been zipped into the lining of Mohammed's case batteries had been taped to a market pen tube which was packed with needles and explosive powder it was a week before it was declared to be a viable device by then Muhammad had flown to Italy he was arrested on his return to the u.k. This afternoon he was convicted of possessing exposes with intent to endanger life Greater Manchester Police have accepted mistakes were made over the initial assessment of the device and say procedures have been changed a car struck a building in Milton Keynes in injured a woman inside it happened just after 2 o'clock this afternoon in Blundell's road in broad feel a man who was driving the car was an injured Kenneth noid who was jailed for life in 2000 for stabbing a man to death on the m 25 in Kent is to be transferred to an open prison as well as the murder of 7 Cameron noid had previously served time in prison for handling gold bullion stolen during the notorious Brinks match robbery big it is a retired detective inspector who investigated noise. Says he doubts whether he's been rehabilitated save a man who lived his life by Crohn lived a very expensive life in a criminal world in south London or Kent and are thinking a bit danger when. Lucian police say they've not had reports of vandalism in a road which residents say is being used by Ed travellers to park while using Luton Airport cars parked in holly bush road and windows smashed the messages painted on them accusing drivers of being selfish and having no respect police community support officers are being sent into the area to make inquiries. The organizers of the World Athletics Championships in London and Public Health England working to contain an outbreak of norovirus which has struck down 30 competitors and members of staff a number of athletes have been affected Dr Petit must ask a the physician for athletics kind of that says he hopes his team up through the worst of it we had 9 athletes and staff that in fact I'm told more than half of it's just that and there's been no new athletes affected for a couple of days so we're coming through the other side of. 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Get up to 3 minutes to 3 minutes to 3 minutes past 5 story time keeping not necessarily one of my greatest skills only man here sitting in for a better directing I'm going to get you home though I may get you home in a fun way because I'm going to be speaking to a vegan a real life Regan has called the show following my discussion a few moments ago about this teenager on holiday in Malaga who ordered a vegan salad and was given 2 to martyrs and some red onions will talk about just how difficult it is to go away on holiday when you want to be a vegan in an hour's time it's our brilliant business panel coming in Miliband Bernard annoying and Derek Blair joining me tonight we've got a huge range of fascinating stories from the world of business to discuss with them but 1st in this hour cars left in roads near Luton Airport have been vandalized and dogged with graffiti as residents complain narrow roads are being used by holiday makers who want to pay to park at the airport no excuse for vandalism of course no excuse for parking where you shouldn't but we've met. Situation at Luton Airport they're charging how much Also we're going to be talking about the calls to ban the use of police tasers on anyone under the age of 18 the World College of Pediatrics and Child Health says the electrical stun guns are harmful and shouldn't be used on children and that comes as New figures show police have used tasers on children as young as 11 and this is early man b.b.c. 3 counties radio. But 1st local authorities in the 3 counties are failing to meet the deadline for issuing educational plans for children with special needs have been following this story educational plans is a very specific term essentially youngsters moving from primary to secondary school in September just around the corner now are supposed to have received what they call an educational health and care plan e.h.c. Pay and they're supposed to receive that by the middle of February it is now I don't need to tell you although you would know from accounts of the window organist so in many cases the plans are months late and that means that parents can't decide if the school that they've been allocated is best for their child with special needs central Bedfordshire Council has 4 children who need e.h.c. Pays but they've only managed to issue one plan by the deadline in a statement they told us that there was a slight delay on the confirmation of statements for some children but all 4 peoples had their statement and a school place by the end of February in Luton 93 children should have been issued a plan but only 49 got them on time Samantha Hale is from the lawyers Simpson Miller who obtained these figures under the Freedom of Information Act Hi there Samantha Hi Ali Hi Thanks for joining us at how important is it for parents to get these plans. It's really important and it's really important that they receive by the statute outlining suggesting to step great and. Allows the time to work with the child and the school on transition planning Get that he she happy with the placement and the provision inquiries but also if they're not have engaged in time to appeal to a specialist try Pino and to actually get that appeal concluded before the end to the academic Yes everything's in place in preparation for September yes it does does this mean though that children may fail to get into a school that is right for them or does it just mean it's it's been a frustrating process to get there it could be a bit of by some it would depend on the individual circumstances there's a good chance that there will be some families that because of the delays in having to plan issues may still be going treat the appeals process and they may have an appeal registered for 10 or even tell you that and in particular if they're appealing against that Tyson it's name did not class and they may not want to send their child there in September because they might not consider h.b.c. To go so it could really impact on the education that some children may be receiving going receiving in September and of course there are subliminally ever more children with special needs or with needs they get categorized as special needs so this could affect quite a lot people nationally it's a huge problem in this been 2405 children across England that were issued that transition plans by the 15th of February. I don't see that that's a large number. This is a new thing isn't it that this new form of plan is a new thing so were you surprised that so many council had failed to meet the deadline or do you understand that the the paperwork I suppose in the end it just wasn't pragmatically realistic for them to be able to do that. If the piece of relatively new though we had been 1st 2 years but the 15th of February deadline actually preexisted prior to the children and families out which is what brought in the z a c t And they are taking what used to be a statement of a c n n we still have a few theories about the deadline was exactly the same to this is no way a new deadline for local authorities and it's one that they should have plans and staff in place to make sure that that deadline is met every single time Ok but clearly they have failed haven't they in many cases so why do you think that is. All I don't know the answer for definite like you know anything that because of this idea to even plan properly or a lack of resources there may be some genuine circumstances where it can't be avoided for instance if Cindy has moved into the area area late but these are 2 things that you know with the exception of of these cases which local authority should have plans in place to Lloyd and we did a similar request last year and unfortunately found similar figures so it has to be a bit of a trend and I mean I was saying in the introduction that you know you can count them on the cell from February to August but I mean are your figures that up to date when do they go to are there still parents who are waiting who are included and I think is we don't know if all of these children have now got plans we only know the numbers that were missed for the 15 to separate deadline and it could be that a large number of the children now have got a plan that even if they do any delay could impact on the ability to make sure that that plan to entice to change sure that the transition to secondary school. Excessed small and it could also patent piracy dilatory they want to get the food in the school year starts even if they've got a plan by now it may not result in for them and they may have ongoing issues that need to be got with Ok And you know what parents I mean if there are parents listen to this who are exactly in that situation they haven't got the plan they have got a child with special needs what can they do if they stumble upon a moment if they haven't got the time or if they haven't got any provision of education and ideation to see a clear choice we have a free legal advice line if they want to contact just their moonwalking take a public funding is available in relation to the appeals against the contents of the h d p said I know some types might be put off by this too of speaking to sleep isn't particularly when they might have a hazy but I would encourage So anybody know predicament to give us a call investing and we can have a Chechen see what we can do to help Ok Samantha thank you for that Samantha Hale there from the lawyer Simpson Miller who time the figures on the Freedom of Information Act as I should say of course no doubt there are others who just as you can speak to as well although they were the people who have got this Freedom of Information request out there today let's talk to here who has a child with special education a time out here Carly Hi Tell us about your child and what the needs are. Also my son was old when he was identified as being on the autistic spectrum he was struggling in mindstream school most mainly through. His ability to act socially acceptable manner I mean you would know he was autistic and I've been with him for a period of time but clearly he was going to struggle in the mainstream environment so we wanted to go into a specialist provision and that got us into conflict. With the local authorities that once had been identified that didn't trigger an. Educational health plan which nearly every deadline that we tried to. Forced they counsel to have a missed forcing us into a right to know situation. For the 1st time around we lost but we found the very very difficult to deal with in our experience is very unsatisfactory and happily we have now managed to see an overturn that we call appropriate provision for our son but it's been a hard fire and I think is your previous commentator was saying you know it's being played out all over the country and it's not helped by inefficiency within the government system and really it's about a wrong chorus if you can talk about not enough resource you talk about not enough provision and within the council what's important where does the priority lie the center this is got to be the child and child well. I mean how difficult is it in your experience how frustrating is it to try and meet with the local authorities to get the help that you need I mean I have pre-show you're saying that you appreciate they've got the wrong priorities but when you call the very sympathetic. When I think that they're not you know when you're thrown into this world or you know you need support this isn't what anyone really planned when they started having children it's something that you have to kind of get used to and where there has been talk Previously I've heard people that we spoke to talk about grieving when your child is diagnosed with something that's going to affect them for the rest of their life and that's when you want support and quite frankly when you get faced with attrition and what you have to do I heard again the lady before talking about this you just have to badger Cape Horn and fire and sigh. And cut every corner and fill in every recall and chase every deadline and really sometimes you just want something called around inside this is tough you know we understand that you know you need some help there and we will provide that because that is what a welfare state should do in my opinion yeah I mean this is the thing so often isn't it you cover these stories on local radio and people have frustrations with the local authorities it so often comes down to people saying I just want to understand why. This is frustrating and why this is difficult and for people who are listening whose children don't have special needs requirements explain why this particular transition from primary to secondary school is of such importance one of the things that's harder search for children on the spectrum to deal with is any sort of change or any sort of thing that could be perceived as chaotic and I need planning only all of the need to know the order of things and how their day there we are going to progress and I don't have to come into your. Study chaotic So for example with my son even something as the transition can one classroom to another during normal school day would be a period where he would struggle and understand what the rules of engagement are so you can imagine if you can aside all the things that you know all of the things safe and secure in your school we're now going to change them and take them somewhere else as something of a concern to watch out and so they need a managed plan to get them into a new school and into managed plans to just about anything to be honest with you Ali And if I don't have that then my son has. That challenge enough so that I have enough to be thinking about without being made on happy by sort of beneficial that lines up very well explained thank you for that he good to speak to you. Thanks all the best your son as well he's there his son has special educational needs has autism and is one of these parents who's found it tough getting a plan to get them from primary to secondary school to know he's probably going to be all right in the end but to know along the way that they're going to be looked after in the right way it's classic story this isn't it people tinker with the legislation the way things operate don't necessarily have the plans in place to make sure that there's a smooth transition when it's actually put into practice. Travel nice that then. X. B.b.c. 3 counties radio. And one is the unpaid sites around chinch and 7th Hemel Hempstead can very easy actually on the a 5 it's a size having incidental meeting on 2. It was kings with Lane the a 413 London. Wednesday that was a temporary light station. Because. The a one and out date has just come through its very slow both sides approaching the Black Cat roundabout as it's partially blocked by an accident. 3 Counties Radio thank you very much good to speak to you do I have weather now is that happening now. 3 Counties radio. One thing I was struck with a machete I'm trying I'm trying to understand what happens here I know weather is coming we'll bring you weather very short. On b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Every morning from 6 it was a show that brings you every good morning everybody and welcome to b.b.c. 3 counties radio comments how did you miss Who's your favorite famous guy to be hearing from a man but he says he has magic he could. Never imagine. In my life the best of. The sound. The b.b.c. Counties radio Yeah this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio that's Andy Collins with you every morning from 6 till 9 I'm Ali I'm sitting in for Rob here on Dr today through until 7 and indeed every day for the next 2 weeks in just a moment we're going to be talking about this campaign to put traffic light nutrition labels on boxes of cereal which in theory I think is something I support we all know the cereal for the sugar and we all know that they're not necessary the best thing to be feeding our children and it's probably a good idea isn't it to be able to run clothes you know so that you have the ones that are covered in cinnamon and sugar and stuff to be the occasional treat and the ones that are more wheat based perhaps less sugar less natural sugar even from fruit less of that those are the ones that you give them on a more regular basis so we can all be a bit more informed must say in a way this. Something a little bit sad about legislation or ideas for legislation being introduced when it comes to cereal and I think that's because you probably agree with me if you are a child of the seventy's or the eighty's as well when I used to go to the supermarket when I was a kid it was all completely foreign to me but the thing that made sense was the cereal the cereal had the cartoon characters the cereal was advertised to me on telly the cereal aisle was the thing I understood I felt like I was at home I knew what it was it was for me. Whereas now my parents would just say I asked for a kind of across beds and back this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio 18 minutes past 5 we are going to go straight to that serial story actually because there is there's no weather today apparently just look out the windows a rest finest nothing nothing nothing tell you about. Drive regular weather bulletin tomorrow I'm sure Rob does that more slickly but apparently you would have to wait for the weather person to be here right manufacturers are being urged to put traffic light nutrition labels on breakfast cereals to show consumers how much sugar is in their products health campaigners say it is scandalous that many big brands still refuse to use the government endorsed voluntary color coding system which displays red for high Amber for medium and green for low on labels to indicate levels of fat sugars and salt quarter Hashim is a nutritionist from the campaign group action on sugar maybe some of them they know that their products are going to be flagged as red or sugar also salt and therefore they don't want to be showing on the pack very canny and I think that is maybe part of the reason we know will deceive the markets across 90 main supermarkets in the u.k. Have their own their own brand but not the brand it's companies and it's a problem because own brand products it next to the brand is companies and for people to make that quick comparison between the products they can't because one has and the other one doesn't. They wouldn't easily at a glance know which one would come or as read many breakfast cereals do contain a surprisingly high amount of sugar some of the worst offenders contain the equivalent of up to 5 sugar cubes not per packet per boll and campaigners say the lack of color coded labels makes it harder for shoppers to make informed decisions sugar has been blamed for the rise in obesity it also causes major problems with tooth decay but some critics say it is wrong to demonize sugar that it is part of our diet and there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation Eve Simmons co-authors an anti clean eating blog she says people shouldn't be made to feel bad for enjoying a sweet treat if something has a bit more sugar and it's making somebody's life bit better because they have to struggle and they're under a great deal of strain in lots of different areas of their life. I think that just by berating and telling them that they're wrong and they're making the wrong decision I don't think that's helpful and I think what it does is it just opens up a kind of conversation of blame which further kind of like parts people and make society a little bit more divided one of the firms that is being criticized for not using traffic light labeling is Kellogg's The company says it believes it's labels giving recommended daily amounts of ingredients are a better source of information it also says it's cut the amount of sugar in many of its most popular cereals anyway so do you think they're already doing enough the cereal companies and let's be honest Kellogg's are absolutely one of the big ones aren't they or do you want to see the traffic light nutrition labels on everything 3459 fordable 55 double 5 if you have a view on this or you can text me 813 doubles 3 remember to start your message with the word 3 the number 3 and then see our other ways we don't see your text Let's talk to former barrister Helen Jackson who's defended the rights of overweight people and regularly joins us here to talk about. Frieda she's heard Alan Grafton are high it seems a bit bonkers that not everyone is using the same system why we in the situation yes it does it seem it seems highly irresponsible but there's another side to Dave's which is that there are healthy forms of sugar not true sugars like a 3 child and stevia and I want to see these companies making at the effort to put healthy sugars into their products and not glucose and an artificial sugars and so forth so do cause harm both to children and to stick a and of course to adults as well. So that you get coming from a family where Dobby Chase has been found to be his wretched tree on both sides of my family I have found using natural sugars makes an enormous difference. So why is it that speaking generally there is a not for example that is serious is it simply a case of profit I think so and I think it's a case of happy that they got into these you know high level Showgirls harmful sugars and there they stay but we move on we're now much more self-conscious than we were yes in the 2nd World War I wasn't around then but assigned to stand it much of the it was after the war particularly was turned over to sugar because we had trouble supplying ourselves with enough sugar when ships weren't getting so and so for pick times have changed and it's high time that they cannot and these are the companies we could fix as well yes they put levels of you know in the figures on their products but we need a tropical system and we need healthy sugars Ok but as you say the public how much better educated now I mean I know that there are black spots to the us and in fact there are some research out today showing the north south divide again will send them very clearly if you talk about Northern England it seems that occasional message isn't getting through or maybe it's poverty that causes people to buy more junk trade but generally speaking people know who if it tastes sweet that's because he's got sugar on it or something that isn't good for you does it really need to say on the package as well yes it does and it needs to say I can't stress enough not only does it need to have the traffic system with which anybody can can understand because the traffic system in most traffic management issues can practically all the world but nevertheless it needs to say what sort to sukkah and give a clear indication of. He said the traffic light system is easily understood in Europe so you're right it is but read means don't go there doesn't it which isn't it and there's nothing wrong with having about listen anti-scriptural in Sonoma that would that would be an incentive to these companies to turn themselves over in the in their products to a healthy for most of us. People who super you know always amazed when I went into this to do to do research for myself or my family there are many healthy forms of sugar that do not cause a spike in one's insulin production they do not cause people to go overweight by being apart to follow up because we know that don't when in doubt know we now recognize that duck couplet is much more healthy than the other sorts of chocolate that piece count it is a healthy food Ok and I have to ask you this final question really because I was saying although I support the idea that you know people are better informed I remember nostalgically that the cereal I was always my aisle when I was 7 or 8 years old and that's because it burst forth with you know Tony the Tiger and this isn't you know. Any way that you know these products are targeted to children they are what we all now think that's no secret but at the same time it's a fun childhood memory when you think about that lovely sugary cereal used to have in the morning yes yes yes it is indeed and it remains a happy childhood memory and though no one could get away with it that one would use to great deal more chance of getting away with it with a healthy form of to go on with one's parents knowing exactly what it was on the box. If it manufacturers are sensible they were trying to lead sign on the buck so they'll put healthy things into their products not just those who go and try and lead they lead children down the garden path Ok I haven't it hasn't just been good talking to you today it's been girl or 8. Thank you alright probably not so bad I'm hungry and cross beds and this is b.b.c. 3 and he's made. 26 minutes past 5 now it's emerged that the suspect charged in connection with the kidnap of 20 year old Chloe ailing in Italy had previously met the novel in. Paris where it's alleged that he pretended to be a photographer according to police documents seen by the b.b.c. Miss Ayling says the suspect had contacted her several times before he jeeps into flying to Milan for a photo shoot where she was abducted by a group of men last month a 30 year old Polish national who lives in the u.k. Has been charged with kidnapping and ms a lawyer from Cesco passé says the model was acting under duress when she was seen shopping with her captor before she was freed she was told that she was going to be sold to somebody in the Middle East for sex she was told that people were there watching her and ready to kill her if you tried anything so she thought that the best idea was to go along with it and to be nice in a way to her captor. Was allegedly held captive for 5 days she says she was drugged by men in Balloch lovers put in a bag and driven 120 miles to a hideouts near the French border and 1st she was tied by her hands and legs to furniture and eventually was allowed to move around the house that she was kept in a gang of 3 or 4 men are said to have been involved allegedly attempting to sell the model on the Internet to traffickers in the Middle East some papers have suggested Mrs ailing it may have been put in on the plot in some way Francesca she says that speculation is quote evil I've heard people doubting her and implying that she was involved in this because it was too easy an escape. I I really cannot believe that people think that about Chloe ailing she was subject to a tremendous for a deal and she suffered so much and she had to relive this once twice 3 times during the positions in front of a judge during the side inspections how could you think that she was involved that's just evil. In the police testimony given by the suspects he claims to have been involved in the group behind the alleged kidnapped in order to raise money he needed for treatment for leukemia but the suspect says he had a change of heart once he actually met the young model he told investigators that he eventually drove her to the British Consulate in Milan to release her because he wanted to free his captive before she was solved one of close friends color Baluchi says she's been traumatised by the ordeal but decided to return to work today for a topless photo shoot each today wearing maybe is her way of coping and to get back out there for May I wouldn't. Be the last thing on my mind but you know she has her reasons and maybe is how a way of dealing with what's happened to her just to get back out there. Police investigations are continuing in Italy Poland and in the u.k. . Traveling. 3 Counties radio. Senses. Very patchy between Sandy at the. Great. Side especially around the turn of the Capel looking very slowly the a one is struggling on base sized was a black roundabout blocked by Annex a looking very very busy elsewhere. Very funny when say the a 4133 lane in. And in kings of the. 2 is. Causing delays. As well. 3 Counties radio. Coming up in the next half an hour we will be talking about the use of police on children under the age of 18 will be talking about those vandalized cars in Luton and I will be speaking to my real life very good. Beds. This is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. It's 530 I'm Jane Killick a man who was stopped at Manchester airport with a pipe bomb in his hand luggage has been convicted of possessing explosives with intent to endanger life and a Mohammed from Barry boarded a flight from Manchester to both Garmo in Italy in January lesion police say they've not had any reports of vandalism in a road which residents say is being used by air travellers to park while using Luton Airport cars parked in Hollywood Road have had windows smashed and messages painted on them accusing drivers of being selfish and having no respect an elderly woman has been killed after her car crashed into the front of a house in Chesham it happened thinking straight just before 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon the weather staying cloudy with showers. Under sports and in football what would have signed 20 year old Brazilian forward which Alison on a 5 year deal from flame in a.z. He cost around $11000000.00 pounds there are League Cup 1st matches tonight for Luton m.k. Dons Wickham and Stephen h. Luton are home to Ipswich manager Nathan Jones is trying to play down continued transfer speculation surrounding striker Isaac Fassel in my time. We expect we'll get it for not far for everyone because we think we do. Want What I don't know I don't want what we can for used long things like that because we have a focus we have or a goal that we want to achieve this season and nothing can derail Meanwhile Luton have $600.00 more tickets for their trip to Barnet on Saturday but come wondrous of band of 14 year old supporter for 2 years for trying to take 2 smoke grenades into Adams Park it happened before kick off a Saturday's game against Lincoln. Elsewhere tonight m.k. Dons or forest green Wickham host Fullam and Stephen it go to Millwall the barren midfielder Dale Coleman says it will be a tough challenge against the Championship side which played them in pre-season they go directly fairly well but it's it's an exciting challenge as well. Like know all such against them like the downers and focus on all Jerusalem and there's commentary on all Tonight's matches in 3 counties sport from 7 how the World Athletics Championships what Ferd's called Langford goes in the final of the men's 800 metres tonight he qualified 5th fastest from the semifinals is my goal to get in for the final. And the start of season has been a bit rocky but you know I'm here now there are about numbers of one b.b.c. 3 counties news and sports the next bulletin is at 6 b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Thanks very much Jane 26 minutes to 6 only man here on b.b.c. 3 counties Radio Kevin emails Bruce just been in touch regarding the conversation we were just having about levels of sugar in cereals He says the food industry is focused on cheap products that appeal to the lowest common denominator as far as human tastes are concerned high levels of salt sugar and fat some companies are simply deeply cynical in this and the traffic light system should be imposed by legislation do you agree I start your message with 3 c.r. Across beds hearts and backs this is an b.b.c. 3 counties radio. 26 minutes to 6 now cars left in roads near Luton Airport have been vandalized and daubed with graffiti as residents complain that their roads are being used by Holaday makers who won't pay to park at the airport our reporter Nick has been to see the cause for herself Hi Hi What's happened to these cars them well I've been. To the voxel estate which is quite a few roads at the back of the airport and the cars that I have seen there today and I was there yesterday are covered in graffiti 1st of all and they have had their tires either slashed or let down it's difficult to tell and they've been doored with graffiti as you said with things like too tight to pay for parking not fair on residents was one another one just said selfish get on the side and resist told me that this is been going on a while the cars have been painted with this tires let down. But recently what's happened is that some youths have stepped in seen that the cars are covered in vandalism and at night residents told me that they've come along and smashed up the cars 2 different residents told me that they saw it out of their windows some youths on bikes smashing up the cars. So and the 2 the 2 cars that I saw were in a terrible state and bear in mind these belong to people who were at some point going to come back from holiday from Luton Airport come back to their car the worst one had all 4 tires all 4 tires let down. The front window screen was totally smashed in the 2 side windows were smashed in it was covered in graffiti it been ransacked the glove boxes it been everything been put at the glove box there was the person's personal details strewn all over the passenger seat. You know obviously someone's going to come back to this car from from their holiday surely how dreadful am I suppose you know obviously you can't condone any vandalism but I suppose the emotion that makes behind it the anger of people who live on a street that is then used for free parking for a long time off people are aware I suppose there's quite a few residents there that can sympathize with why someone might have atop his car and it seems to. Have bubbled over a bit now everyone of the time I spoke to said they don't condone vandalism they would never do it would never put graffiti on let times down except for some even said to me Well they've got a legitimate right to park there it's not against the law but others were very frustrated this is being going on for years it gets much worse in the summer recently as the airport expands it's been getting worse one day to tell me about she had to call an ambulance for her frail husband the ambulance couldn't pull up outside her house anywhere another lady very frustrated told me that she and all her neighbors didn't move their cars she now gets a taxi or walks because if she moves her car someone comes along parks for the airport and their car might be there for a couple of weeks and that's it so yeah those that there's a few have people that we spoke to a lot of frustration and this is what they told us there was one vehicle that was there for 7 weeks because these issues for the for the people who are actually living along me don't see couldn't park Kenny where I couldn't get in the gap had caused. An old windows smashed but not as bad as this one so difficult is because you can just you know as a normal person you can sympathize as a side not with vandalism but with the emotions driving both people here the people who are trying to avoid the charges at Luton Airport which are exorbitant frankly compared to other airports in the country and the people who live on the street which doesn't have any law stopping anyone from parking outside but it's inconveniencing their life what can be done about this Luzhin we've contacted Luton Airport they've told us that obviously they always advise people to park in one of their onsite car parks or the off site operators they said that long term parking is between 21 to 25 pounds a day if you turn up it could be less if you book it in advance on a budget holidays and let's be honest people fly are laden with easyjet they're not spending thousands Exactly which is why this is happening because that's a lot of money we've contacted the police. Case who told us that talking is nothing to do with them and I spoke to them specifically about the vandalism and they said that unless someone reports it to them they can't do anything about that but unfortunately the reddest residents are scared of recrimination to their own vehicle so they don't want to report it to the police the council however is trying to do something they are consulting the local residents about introducing parking permits into the area. Before I tell you more on that this is what Alex constant need is from the council told us it will tell you the same amount of infrastructure it will take the same amount of streets so I mean even for course more because we would need more important people to actually leave the area in one hour we are in the middle of a consultation and so how soon does it continue. So that's what the council had to say and when I put this plan to the residents now they've all had this leaflet and had to have a look at it they told me that actually they felt it was very unfair that they were now being forced if this goes ahead to pay to park outside their own houses when there would be plenty of room if it wasn't for passengers Yeah so difficult isn't it what can the council do apart from impose a solution like that I suppose it's one to watch isn't it maybe one day Luton Airport will drop their parking charges who knows maybe a great pleasure to hear from you thank your reporter Nick Glass leather. Across beds and bags this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Now about half an hour ago I was telling you about a story that I spotted in the mirror today which was about a teenager from Leeds who headed off to Malaga I don't know where she flew from definitely wasn't written she probably impact on someone's random street. Excuse me hello Mallika recently and she's a vegan and she ordered a salad because she originally asked for a vegetarian pizza with no cheese in the hope that that would be something like what she'd normally eat at home a vacant pizza but the restaurant told him No we can't do that because the pizza mix does have agony at least understood what we can is and was which is more than you might expect in Spain where most of the meals are basically bread and pork and cheese. But they said try one of our salads and they brought her in this picture has gone viral on social media and as I made it into my copy of The Daily Mirror today they brought her a plate which was essentially 2 tomatoes cut into courters with Apollo red onions on it so I was wondering just how difficult is it to be a vegan when you leave home so easy when you're a home isn't it not to eat cheese not to eat butter cater for your veganism but what's it like when you leave the house particularly when you go abroad 34594 double 55 double 5 is the number to call Mary. From Steven it has dumb ass Hi there Mary hello there hi you're a vegan I am indeed how is it for you when you leave the confines of your property . Buries a great deal on the positive side it's become much better in the last year or 2 much better places you know somebody the chain such as they see are now actually create and producing pieces with the Can she because the number of babies growing rapidly I think it's tripled in 10 years and they know that they want the big and they were mostly young affluent to come to their restaurants they're going to have to cater for them how many years have you been a vegan for 20 and I mean tell us about the plot of a bit used to be then I mean is what we're hearing about here in Medicare is that typical did you get after to mountains of money and absolutely yes. I used to live if I went out I lived on jacket potato being if I didn't do jacket potato it was salad and chips and that was what I would eat out every time. Probably when I was the worst milk tend to be at. Night called function and I always used to ensure that I notified them in advance and say you know if they can can make something we could take notice then come along and I don't doubt we'll maybe just a baked course nothing else not going out. I went to a posh radio do once I went to the Sony Awards which they don't do anymore they call it something else but it weeds thing it was the big so flagship radio award ceremony for the radio industry and it was it was in the Grosvenor Hotel in London big bowl room you know expensive do as well couple 100 quid a ticket in a big sack and I'm not vegetarian but my friend days and this is name vegan this is vegetarian is what you just said just reminded me they all did the vegetarian option I got lamb they got half of squash filled with my pains how do you think of the things they did quite well that. Really would push back beans they were sort of pulses in. Basically biplanes an atom and it's what I mean and the price you know that's a 5 star hotel a really posh I went to a I went to a good quality restaurant family function and everyone had things like salmon with piles of interesting vegetables I had rice with and slices of bread. Pasta things that people split the borough as well and you'll think of a lot of Papa Absolutely. Do you want do you sympathize then with my friend he said to me easy going to home but actually it's so difficult being a vegan when he goes and he just is a vegetarian when he's out because you know you can get a sandwich at least as edible Well I would say well healthy choice I wouldn't do that because there are many more options in the last year I mean I can go to pizza place I can go to some place even I think even and certainly press emotionally now does things Ok but prices some people get the most and laugh or yeah even things like the normal market stalls. You know fast food so it's really changing but there is still the want to say what is a bacon you know most and a local restaurant where I live in well you know they're really really great they'll make the past there without the parmesan cheese things but certainly going abroad or going to Chinese restaurants can be really high as you've got the language barrier as well as a cultural barrier that I haven't yet you know I say Can I have something and then they go oh well the source is find it no it's not and I went to him now that would be an a yes Mary absolute pleasure speaking to you thanks for calling in thank you Mary about Mary lives an old well in in half a chance been a vegan for 22 years finding it easier than ever before but still a challenge when she goes abroad it reminds me of that scene in the royal family member Liz Smith playing the grandmother and Ralph Ellison's character brings a girlfriend home who's had to Tarion and this is just baffling to granny and she I think the line is can she have wife a thin Ham Bob. Traveling. B.b.c. 3 counties radio. Can't roundabouts the a one struggling. Looking very very busy in all senses the a fall like this quite. Heading southbound into hopeless looks like he's reaching back towards the junction. Very very busy elsewhere on the 3 counties radio. 4 rob her be very well 13 minutes to 6 there are a Coles to ban the use of police ties is on anyone tain extraordinary I think that happens when the children are. Victim to tasers if that's the right word the Royal College of Pediatrics says the electrical storm guns are home folder shouldn't be used on children it comes as New figures show the police have used he says. On Children as young as 11 Now in fairness to the police it is important to point out that say the word you use doesn't necessarily mean that the tasers have actually been fired it could mean that the weapon was simply taken out of its holster or drawn as a deterrent but nonetheless obviously once the taser is introduced to the situation as a chance it's going to get years and the youngest child to be fired with a taser is thought to be 14 all of a feelie Spragg is from the human rights group Amnesty International and he says tasers can trigger breathing problems heart attacks and long lasting emotional trauma tasering young people carries risks both to help but also psychological that's reflected in the u.n. Standards that clearly faith Rithy into day u.k. Medical board with a come out and said So I think we start from the perspective here that tasering children is something that really shouldn't happen. Well it's over a decade since Tasers were introduced in Britain and now a growing number of offices are being trained to use and carry an ever more powerful tazes they say is needed to deal with high levels of gun a knife crime tases work by firing 2 metal Bobs connected to the weapon by a sin why these attached to the suspect skin or clothing and they create a circuit through which an electric shock is deliberate it's meant to incapacitate an offender so that they can be arrested but the concerns that have been raised around the numbers of deaths and serious injuries connected with the use of tasers is less talk to Neal alst in his chair of the hunt for Chip Police Federation nail laming only Hi Thanks so much for making the time for us this evening no problem critics say this is a very heavy handed approach to use on young people and do you agree that I think age is really a red herring here is about the threat that is posed to the public and offices it's not used willy nilly it's not used without thought it is only used as a proportionate response to that threat that the officers and the public a facing. And it's a threat it's important and yes there are risks of course there are risks but there are also risks of youths with no ivs wondered about the streets being and I would be challenged because somebody says well you can't use a taser on them yes but when you do hear about people who have died as a result of having ties is fired on them and I know that those are people that generally speaking a preexisting condition because they may not know that when they make the choice to continue acting in the in the way they are when they're threatened with a taser I mean when it's a child that is just something that the public I presume will find unacceptable. It . As I'll go back to it's the threat and it's a situation. Offices of the public find themselves in and it is a and they set to go if that the alternative is to in those circumstances is to allow someone to carry on. Doing whatever I want to do with the weapon I have and you're talking about vanishingly small assurances Yeah in extreme circumstances and we run for example I mean I only know this from watching the documentary about the Metropolitan Police which is brilliant but you know I know that when you chase young children all my pets for example in my pet crime is a growing thing isn't it cross the whole of the Southeast you know there comes a point where the police will pull back if they think right these kids oh Meiring helmets they could injure themselves or die as a result of the police perceived and in the same way do you say I know what you're saying you know they're causing injury to the public and threatening the public with whatever weapon might have but if they might die as a result of the police's actions then you know that obviously there's a danger the police end up killing a member of the public who happens to be behaving criminally rather than saving the situation of course and that unfortunate that space them or officers face and so find themselves facing but obviously we just published a couple of weeks ago the use of false data. Every time an officer uses force they have to record it and ensure that their rationale for using it is recorded so offices think long and hard before they use force because they have to record it but because it's part of the job they have no wish to hurt anybody we don't want to kill people but what we do want to do we have to protect the public in the quickest and Cyprus way possible and in terms of the to Terence that we were talking about you know pull the taser out of your holster and that in itself might be enough of a deterrent is that effective policing in your experience do most underage people actually at that point back off the red dot is incredibly persuasive Absolutely because as you say people have seen it on the telly and I know what happens once that red dot is on them and that I think I'm not sure of the figures but that does majority times that does do the trick is it Ok great to speak to Neal thank you for enlightening us on that from your perspective changes to its owner. Across beds and backs this is b.b.c. 3 counties may end. 8 minutes to 6 now at the top of this hour we were talking about the situation in Luton Airport at the moment well actually specifically in the streets around Luton because what's happening it seems people who are trying to get a better deal on their parking a choosing not to park in the airport use the facilities which are quite expensive or the city's off site that I could pay for their choosing instead to drive around nearly an airport park on a street nearby where parking is free where there aren't parking permits and as a result of that not any way to support the vandalism that's happened but as a result of that their cars have been vandalized by locals windows have been smashed in their personal details have been spread all around the Strait this can be terrible for them and I come back from their holidays to return to their vehicle and see what's happened here but obviously it is easy to sympathise with residents on the road not the ones who vandalize the cars but want to have to live in a place where they're not sure they can get a parking space from day to day because people are trying to park there to get free parking for the airport Sarah has given us a call on this area and Stephen h.-i Sarah tried to ask Hi What did you want to say you know I had total sense say with a local resident because you know if people go away one day to. The to wait easy it completely block 0 don't but when you report is then said that a parking permit a would have to pay said I completely lost also say because you know $1.00 estate one area in state nature hitching that to new park come to play on the road. They're being offered an option which will make their lives easier and they don't want to pay well or have a loss and say if you're in the real world. Of course you're absolutely right that parking permits are a way to make sure that only residents park on the streets and if anyone else parks their house how do I buy the council rather than vandalized by vigilantes You do understand and if you live on a street where you've never had to pay anything and then you have to pay it is frustrating that it feels like it's your problem you know I can imagine people on that street just think this is the Council's problem this is the airport problem this isn't my problem I rented this house or I bought this house thinking I wouldn't have to pay for parking permit the so did half the population unless you've moved in the last 5 to 10 years you would know why open your eyes so these people in the street with their cars why do they park and they go oh are you telling me that they only have a mail from their road and I never play a part in say a supermarket or write you tell they never park a roadside might think they do oh yeah he thinks i'm national issue that the others in the council could but it cost more to them if they would say no parking on this side of the road decide between now on any level and then between $11.00 a one it's the other side of the right but then that means even residents compromise so the kids do the part they're outside of the time but it would be inconvenient for them to have to call you know while I do believe that when I go out of my Why not travel from the land where. Yeah oh my God Yes I heard they were trying to charge the plastic bags the other way. And there is a free place to get them but I don't like that obvious when you're back at Sarah great to speak to thank you for the coal 34594 double 55 double 5 the number I must say actually just in favor of Luton Airport I waste used to fly out of there but that is because I'm quite tight on the budget airlines go from there and it's 20 minutes from my house but you know I guess that does come with meaning that you have to spend on things and that doesn't leave the parking I use the valet one which is offsite and it does cost about $40.00 quid for a week's holiday and is a bit frustrating but better than having a. Vandalised is Miss. I also live quite close to Bourne would station and not close enough that I can walk from my house to be able to get to the train station so when I want to get into town for a long time before I paid for parking by I was doing exactly what these people were doing I was parking on peoples streets legally in areas where the parking permits had run out but we had people deflating our tires with knives in a vigilante act of protest completely unacceptable we got the police involved there's absolutely no quest question that they're in the wrong but I do understand it's frustrating if you live on a street where everyone parking there is trying to get to the station what can you do if you leave a mark on history apart from introduce parking permits I think I agree with Sarah on that one let's talk to Richard in Dunstable Richard you're calling in not about that story but about the special needs educational plans that we were talking about at the top an hour. Or lessons of that and. What many years when you involve lawyers who are only outlets to make a buck in my opinion the fact is that. If you start involving lawyers it's going to cost us the right players who face too much rights at the best and because somebody is going to be the loser with the facts is what we should be doing in a moment we have to realize this is the counselors as like him he's our good Julie elected representatives all the people yes but if they're slow in delivering a new plan that is putting children with special needs at risk you understand right out to it so let's learn the facts is that legislation should be brought in and with the only ones who can start doing Sr is to get rid of counselors and that's the local government officials all civil servants or employee is if they are not. Doing their job well tell you all. Get rid of them but don't turn to lawyers Ok Richard point understood appreciate that I have to go to the traffic and travel but thank you very much for the call. Traveling. a heads up the weather still looking out across the county so it could be any. 3 Counties radio sign queue for the Georgina coming up in the next hour it is our brilliant business panel we're going to be talking about we've a big business news of the week including rail cars finally going digital we'll be talking about business rights for pubs should they be lowered to support the local pub industry and what difference does it make when you get your exam. Know cool and vocal across parents and this is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. It's 6 o'clock I'm Jane Kinnick the headlines man convicted of trying to take a pipe bomb on a plane life changing injuries in hearts for electrocuted boy and teenager trying to take smoke bombs into Wycombe at g b c 3 counters Ray. A man has been convicted of trying to smuggle a pipe bomb on a flight from Manchester to Italy now deemed a homemade who's 43 and from Barry was found with a device in his hand luggage all reported on what with says airport security stop Mohamed but initially believed the bomb wasn't viable he wasn't arrested and he was allowed to leave the airport now a week later he actually returned to the airport managed to catch a flight to Italy that wasn't until 3 days after that then an explosives expert actually identified this device on the type of plane that Nadeem Hammett was trying to board you can carry up to 200 passengers and crew so you can imagine the impact if a pipe bomb went off in the tight confines of such a plane now the woman has been killed after her car crashed into the front of a house in Chesham it happened in King straits just before 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon the woman in her ninety's was pronounced dead at the scene a boy electrocuted when he came into contact with overhead power lines in warmly nature Essen last night remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition British Transport Police say the 15 year old sustained serious electrical burns and has suffered life changing injuries of his isn't making inquiries to establish what happened on rail tracks close to Wolf Road north that police are paling for help to find the killer of an 83 year old man who was stabbed repeatedly while walking his 2 dogs the pension his body was found in woodland in East Harlem on Saturday morning Chief Superintendent might force it is leading the hunt we remain in the early stages of the investigation and while carrying out extensive inquiries we believe a member of the public could all vital clues. 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Is to offer customers in Germany financial incentives to trade in old diesels for scrap It's also considering extending the scheme to other countries is our business correspondent the air like it folks are going to has announced plans to modify relatively new cars free of charge in order to bring down their output of harmful nitrogen oxides by up to 30 percent drivers of older diesel cars will be able to trade them in for a new model and benefit from a discount of between $2.10 euros with further reductions for buyers of electric or hybrid cars manufacturers in Germany have been under intense pressure to reduce emissions from diesels which are threatened with bans in several cities Wycombe Wanderers of band of 14 year old supporter for 2 years the trying to take 2 smoke grenades into the ground it happened before kick off at Adams Park the Saturday's game against Lincoln and the weather a cloudy night with more showers and a low of 11 Celsius to make it dry in the early hours and get the latest news in sport online at b.b.c. Doc u.k. Slash 3 counties. Good evening 3 minutes past 6 here on b.b.c. 3 counties radio all the man sitting in for Rob Not just for tonight actually but for the next 2 weeks is an absolute pleasure to have your company as it is a Tuesday evening at 6 we are doing our business panel for the next hour we've got a fantastic panel you should meet them very very shortly on the agenda tonight amongst other things business rights. Do you think pubs should be subsidised or as they're basically a failing industry these days sorry to say but it's true in most cases the old the well the drinking pubs anyway should they just be allowed to fail we'll talk about that plus rail cars are going digital thank God finally how long is that taken we're always true in London for 10 years but now you are going to be able to use a digital card to buy a ticket to get around the country that's got to be a good thing has a net drawbacks that perhaps I haven't considered as a. Campaign launched by d y w Glasgow promotes the idea that there is no traditional path to landing an interesting job I'll be asking when it comes to business what difference do exams might do you have the job of your dreams but you never qualify Didn't you never went to university you never did an apprenticeship or perhaps you did really really high school and found that after you got your Ph d. In physics no one would employ you I've got 3 great guest to talk to over the next hour as I said but that doesn't mean you can't join in we won't take your calls but we would love to hear your tax and your e-mails and your tweets on anything that you hear during this hour on Twitter where at b.b.c. 3 c. You can text me. To start your message with the word 3 c.r. You can e-mail me. At b.b.c. Or you can. This is b.b.c. 3 counties radio. Let's start with you Ben business video maestro. Thank you so much and actually you just dropped in a new story with your dreams I may be able to tell you a bit about that a bit later because I actually got into the b.b.c. Many many years ago that's where Microsoft but I started with a computer science degree got nothing to do with television interesting Ok so yeah we will return to that because I'm sure and as we go around the room as well I'm sure no one's career path has been exactly linear but tell us about yourself and so you start of the b.b.c. And now you make videos still but for business Yes Well basically I folded up my director's chair in 2011 I actually became single dad so the hours you need to work in television just didn't fit with bringing up your kids and I used those skills doubt business owners. Get themselves out there get themselves seen and used a pair of video to promote what they do. Things like video blogs training films I'm actually now I can't talk about that I was going to talk about one of things I'm not. Well while some very excited so I used to use my experience to help businesses and I also make training films because he's been a bit of a growing area in the last kind of 10 as a story and I teach people how to use a small phones to make their own videos which is great so they can make lots and lots of videos for very little cost because people have a perception that video is expensive it can be but it doesn't have to be so I teach people the skills in order to make their own productions Ok if you want to be a radio presenter that is very very expensive don't even try just leave all the cover jobs to me. Here as well you're an author and they'll pay trying to have an Arctic Yes I'm also the founder of the best year which is a company that's dedicated to personal and professional growth we publish a magazine we run big events like the best you Expo and yes I mean n.l.p. Trainer and part of what we do is rows we teach people n.o.p. Neuro-Linguistic Programming work with Dr Richard Bandler the co-creator and Paul McKenna So quite a few things and that can have applications in business as well as it can in people's personal betterment Yeah absolutely is used massively in business for communication skills mindsets you know persuasion all sorts of different ways it's applied in so many different ways and O.P.'s Ok excellent and finally Derek Blair a business advisor and partner Hemel based Pinkham Blair tell us about them. We're a firm of accountants based noise streets in they'll turn him stood we do a lot of boring things you imagine just accountants do and we're going to talk about those annoying what we do those we service to secure talk to clients what we call corporate refugees so we just escaped. From a lot of corporate set up on their own and then people at a later stage when they've built a business they want to prepare it for sale as we help people start up stage on the exit stage of the business fastening Ok Well we have a huge range of business experience in the room then how to approach business psychologically we've got start ups we've got. People accepting business and we've got people having a business changing career as well so lots of things to discuss and lots of perspectives as we get that let's start with this 1st story today about business rights for pubs now some organs based campaign group that's the campaign for real asshole is calling for a reduction on business rates for pubs they say that the new business rates are contributing to 21 pub closures a week but this story about pubs closing I mean this is not a new story is it this is a story that we've been hearing about for 2 decades now there's a general trend isn't there and do you think well let's ask the accountant 1st Erik do you think that actually when it comes to business rights for pups we should be making a special exemption for them. This is a subject that's particularly close to my heart's 2 and a half years ago my business partner or I were in apartments conference all the part both bombs went. And on the 1st day of the conference noid business partner This was in January so January New Year's resolutions on the great New Year's resolution suggestion which was for me to try to drink 500 different beers in the cabin the year 2060 most people are healthy when they come out a new year's resolution. The the resolution went so well it's still continuing but it means that the pope's and real ales in a variety of beers is really close to my heart so I love those pros that you go into as a variety of beers and it's constantly rotating but when it comes to the business aspect of this I suspect the biggest contributor to pop closures is actually the smoking ban and changes in lifestyle and consumer habits all of which are kind of good things good things but it does mean that rates probably isn't little or just contributory factor if you see pubs as a useful community resource and you want to prolong the life in what might be otherwise a dying industry then you might consider rates rebate but you know I agree I was thinking the same thing that I do. I don't think it's the business rates actually affecting I think it's these large chains and these franchises are opening restaurants also all over the place which might affect pubs as well as far as you know those that serve food but no I don't think so one I don't think that's the main reason they're closing I think is definitely due to the fact that there's a change in lifestyle people maybe want to spend less time in the pub and they try to take care of themselves a little bit more but no but that is a business opportunity as well isn't it I mean you know you talk about how you took your experience and channeled into a different industry I mean the pubs that are succeeding as far as I can tell and obviously this varies in whether or not you live in an area that sort of for want of a better phrase middle class a working class but the pubs that seem to be succeeding are the ones that either do very cheap drinks and lots of them or the ones that do we're actually a posh restaurant we're a gastro pub have a meal have a glass of wine it's the ones in the middle that just haven't changed into an extent is that they're full well it's also the ones that open up I've seen in the past where they do mommy and baby yoga or in the morning when the pubs quiet they bring in other traffic other other ways to earn some livings but you know there are a lot of businesses failing so hey why don't doesn't they they drop the business rates for everybody because that's another way of looking at a perhaps are finding it difficult but there's so many other businesses that are struggling so if you're going to do it for perhaps state for everybody this is this year's into and if it all subscribing to a capitalist system then you have to let businesses fail but the problem is a lot of us would miss pubs I think they do have a community role in you know in the village pub the village pub in a village that perhaps used to have 3 or 4 pubs and somehow How do you keep that going you might say that if the just isn't a foot fall the locals aren't using enough it doesn't deserve to survive but it does it does fulfil a need in the way that the post office or the corner shop does I mean the other thing that's happened is well it seems to me as if you guys agree the coffee shops taken over has and that's partly because people are healthier and partly because coffee is kind of trendy but it's also because. Women in particular you know if they're by themselves or meeting up with other women feel a little bit less you know I'm comfortable in coffee shops and they do in pubs you know we've got people Muslims for example who don't drink who would rather me up and mix gatherings in a coffee shop than in a pub and on and on it goes I mean you know cost is doing great business isn't it and you find these boutique coffee shops that offer so much more they're diversifying you can get in there and have a meal there there's a really lovely cafe that I carry near Smith airdrome which you know they have a space for mums and babies and they have a quiet space so if you want to sit and do some work and have a coffee and something nice to eat you're not getting disturbed by the mums and the baby so everyone's looked after Yeah Ok so they were out there all possibilities to put a little bit of your space during the you know. To lie down after well and again that's the other issue isn't it and you know perhaps we can say this is for men in a room you know I've just said women feel less uncomfortable in coffee shops you know a lot of men used to go to pubs to be with other men and drink a beer and have that time and of course as soon as you start saying let's have the mother and baby group here in the told to group here in the amateur dramatics creepier than it's not a place that the traditional cousin is not surprising to that that's your point of view not mine that is not a point of view it's true isn't it there are old men who used to go and sit by themselves and drink in pubs that maybe now feel it's not their place. So anyone want to open a pub. I think you Ok let's move on to our next story is about rail cards going digital now we've only got a minute to discuss this a perhaps we'll talk about it on the other side of the travel as well but essentially it's now going to be the case that you'll be able to use electronic travel cards instead of just paper ones this is long overdue isn't it Neal great idea simple I mean so many things I get tickets on my fire and you know I book on one of your fans I'm sure I can but come on you have your events been out there and and have the ticket for the event of my finding I mean I know everybody has a phone in the pocket why has the rail industry just struggled with this over struggling with everything out there yeah I mean look at the trains are packed with people people standing up the strike. I mean it's just a complete disaster a complete disaster so I'm not surprised they just catching up now but actually the top in top out thing has been around for a long time it's yeah and actually you know I think for a long time people thought maybe older people won't understand that but actually if you've got a Freedom Pass that's how you use the cheap if you're over 65 in London and old people enough that you fine with it if you're on the cheap in the only choice you know yeah it's pretty much just Oyster card or credit card or phone. To be over the rest of the country is going to need to be a big change in kids station taking call tickets infrastructure Yeah well let's talk about that credit card point after the travel because I think that's the interesting thing is what's the point of having the electronic travel card at all when we all just be typing on our master cards. And getting separate cards in 27 to talk about other business news with our panel after this. 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Think the most accountants of got some quirky sense of humor James them in many situations it's just that many to show it to reveal it in mixed company there we go that's a t.v. Format for you Neal isn't it what lies beneath the typical. And. I want to move on to some other stories but I did say just before we went to the travel we tackle this issue with rail cars going digital of why it is that we might have digital travel cards a tall when he seems to me people just want to use a credit card stud now is it just infrastructure do you think this opens up a similar security because if you if you could have called that you load payments onto and you lose it then we've lost it so the 20 or 30 pounds that you put on the card yeah you lose your credit card and you're in a whole world of pain so what brings me out you pocket and put it back in again I feel more comfortable using an Oyster card than I do a critique of him or if you use a debit Cordle's on for so when we go through on the tube or use most cool cotton she's a debit card and it's just a case of having lived and it's interesting to that from an accountant it's just a case of a separate pots of money as much as anything else as well I guess for me in more in what I do on the fringe of London plots in London I've got plants around half. And I've got to wish to God So when I go to London on pleasure of personal code want to go on a business or go to business card so I can separate the cost to make sure I count for accurately they don't put it all on the resistor no. Nice try on an order I reckon. When you're on the radio anyway Ok let's talk about this next story because I knew you were saying you had a personal perspective on this as well a campaign launched by d y w Glasgow to promote the idea that there is no traditional path to landing an interesting job has received a lot of attention on social media today they've released this campaign on the same day that students in Scotland receive their exam results and essentially lots of people tweeted saying my exam results made no difference to my career and what I went on to do what was your story when I was 11 I saw a crackajack being recorded to remember that I did and that's when I decided I wanted to work in television but my teacher said nearly a clever to do math to physics to computer science get degree you know the i.t. Interest rates a much better so I do like a good little boy what I'm told and I end up with a computer science degree and my passion is still working in television so I used to I managed to get into the b.b.c. After many years and there I type i.t. Department but t.v. Was what I wanted to do now there's a lot of people in t.v. Now who come from media backgrounds but it was a way to do media studies whatever actually as a senior producer producer I find people who've come from backgrounds that aren't media related can make so much better programs because they have a better outlook on life so I don't think there is a traditional If you're absolutely passionate in what you want to do you're going to do it no matter what example you have been I would you agree with that yeah I mean I can see the advantages of having a degree I haven't got a degree but I mean you know my Mari my boys have traits of for example once a master and you know he now is able to work all his life on your own yachts and you know work as a captain and which is great my other son he is above us. So you know Mo groom is so he can literally grab these tools and go and work anywhere make some money I don't know but what were their exam results like did they end up training as a barber because they didn't do you know an exam oh no I mean my son he did have a degree in events I just personally think that if I was to go down the route of having a degree I would want I would want to be 100 percent certain that that's what I would want to do in my life if not I personally believe that you're better off in having a traitor but a friend of mine he lost all his money but he is a plumber a conditioner so you know he's always managed to make a living that's my point I just think there's a lot of people that go down the routes of studying and getting a career and then they don't necessarily use it at all and I believe that life teaches you so much more and then kind of what we do or you know kind of in the bases and I mean in the basis of personal professional growth if you can't think smartly if you can't you know motivate yourself if you can you know see yourself doing certain things and have the positive frame of mind it doesn't matter what you do you know going to succeed in life so those assess skills that for me a much more important I believe and for parents listening you know who have said and for what you say about your sons that you're sort of caught between a rock and a hard place as a parent on because on the one hand you want to say to your kids work as hard as you can for these exams they're really really important going to change what you can do the options that are available to you for the rest of your life I mean that is definitely true price also true if you speak to almost anyone in business that actually really what they got in their exams hasn't made a huge amount of difference in the one possible path how do you tell kids try really hard but don't stress out and I'm slightly worried because I got I got tickets at 12 and a 14 year old and I went to the parents' evening the teachers say we're doing this say that they'll get that mark an exam we're doing this because they'll get that marking the exam and I'm thinking yes but are you teaching them the love of the subjects are you teaching them to get the right grades and they said well we have to get the grades and it's like for me that's the wrong way it's about you do it because you love doing it and then you'll get the grades because of it not your to . It To get a particular market the end of the day so it's about teaching people to love what they did and it with passion rather than a sight you're going to get an a plus or a minus or a day and I believe that I think I think that you know it's really about finding your true purpose in life and people go through their whole life sometimes and really realize what that is and is pretty much what you're saying is about what what you're passionate about if you're passionate about what you do you going to find your true purpose there is what were your exam results like the make any difference to the rest of your life I guess they allowed me to move on to the next stage so on you know almost a people did actually have a more linear path I diverted later in life so much agree was in accountancy finance economics than trying to be a chartered accountant. Worked my way up the hierarchy to go salary partner in a firm in the city and then skate being a corporate refugee to set up our own practice 12 years ago but 5 years ago I went back to university and did an m. a In military history which was my passion now it actually supplements more day job deeply interested in tactical and strategic and operational development during the 1st World War that enabled all those. Well that brave soldiers so effectively eventually win the war for the for the allies let's translate all that sort of stuff into a business context doesn't mean that I want everyone's going to be in charge but learning just learning lessons from what you do sickly what you do wrong is something that I can translate from my studies into business for Ok interesting if you've got a view on this if you did exams at school and they didn't go well but you still got your dream career or vice a versa or if you did accidently you go or lazy went to Oxbridge and you got your degree and then actually you couldn't put a job in what you qualified and be great to hear from you at text me 13 double 3 Start a message with the words 3 c. . Let. Move on to talk about speaking in English which is slightly strange topic in a way we are in England what's the big deal about speaking in English but Sports Direct have had to say this week that it will review the wording of a staff noticed placed in one of its branches in North Wales which implied that workers should speak only in English the reason the school such a backlash is of course a lot of people in Wales speak Welsh and they took it to mean you're not supposed to speak Welsh at work in Wales sports director said No no it was never intended to be a ban on using Welsh it's a ban on using other languages in the workplace presumably Polish good Rotty that kind of thing but actually it raises the question doesn't it if it's Ok to speak Welsh why isn't it Ok to speak for r.t. Or polish to a fellow employee banal or what's your view on this. Well is this a private conversation they're having or well this is the note doesn't make it clear does it was the distinction for you Well I think that personally you know if it's a personal private conversation you're having with a colleague I mean I think you should be entitled to speak whatever language you want know what about the other colleagues who then perhaps feel frozen out of that conversation well as I said if it's a private conversation that you're having you know then I don't feel why I mean I'm I'm bilingual I speak Spanish in English I'm always very careful of not speaking Spanish or in front of other people you know if you know if that's the case but but if you I mean is interesting if you work in the office with a fellow Spaniard always most quite exciting to speak Spanish in England yes but do you worry that you are freezing people out that people might think you're being impolite Now I don't worry at all I think people worry about too many things too often we're just going I think this whole politically correct missing times just is just beyond the control sometimes look I mean it's a multicultural country multicultural world you know and you have to be able to communicate with other colleagues in the same language if that's what you feel as I said if a Sports Direct have an official language which would be English well then that's right you know they should I mean it's right food for customers for talking to customers Yeah I think that people should be speaking English and you know talking to suppose dressing the team or talking to their team or to fellow colleagues about stuff related to work absolutely but if it's a private conversation you want to have you should be entitled to speak whatever language you want Neal. Wales' there are 2 languages there's English and Welsh So if the employees able to talk both bilingual then they should be free to talk both and I also agree with you Bernard that if you're having I mean my my partner's German and she started with their children in German I don't speak German I feel left out so they were just being ordered out. So if your employees is sensitive about other people then it's fine in even may find a customer comes in and wants to speak so if you are bilingual working Sportsnet don't want to speak out about what you know sports director clarified this wasn't about Welsh The backlash was about Welsh They obviously felt moved to put this poster up because they do employ a lot of foreign nationals and they were speaking in their own language possibly to each other and possibly sometimes to customers but then again if the remaining one customer comes in your remaining What's wrong with that. Derek. Only can imagine a scene where there's a team meeting and there's a sort of David Brant English or welcome manager how this is getting used to you know and they're all muttering to each other in. Their own native languages and he's probably feeling on the mind. Much in the situation going on not that because clearly as you say this was named Welsh but if you've got to polish workers in the working in the stockroom in the chatting away what does it really matter I know that within the notice they talk about health and safety but if this is a conversation talking about you know the families the lives t.v. Shows the weather isn't it doesn't really it does no one any harm the English employees talk about that. So I suspect that this was more to do with the kind of command the control and some of the bosses feeling excluded Yeah that's interesting I mean you know sports directive had some pretty negative headlines in the business news haven't made for the way they treat employees over the past few years person it is interesting that a large chain like that feels the need to specify that the language that should be spoken at work it's. The language of the nation at all maybe they're scared. By their staff and they want to sneak in and then speak speaking your nature your language that's what I say I am I must say I mean to put another perspective on this I do sometimes go to corner shops which are owned by foreign nationals and they're speaking to each other in their language and as a customer I do actually feel I would say frozen out that's pushing a bit far but having the banter with someone when you say Hello I'd like to talk about how you and how's the weather it is a bit all uniting if they're not speaking your language and you know these my language I mean England. Is rude when someone's customer facing they're actually more engaged in a conversation with a colleague of any in any language that's sort of alienating for me is the custom you want the full attention of the person observing Yeah I want I want to say in English this guy has come in looks like an idiot he said he doesn't need another. One about more small business panel after the. It's. Like a Man spank. 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Slash 3 counties Thanks Joe b.b.c. 3 counties radio and. It's 632 you join us amidst our brilliant business panel I'm joined this evening by Neil Benn the business video Maestro I'm going to keep calling you that the whole way through here thank Yeah you're welcome another Moir the author and n.l.p. Trainer and Derek Blair who is a partner at all based Blair we're going to move on to talk about a controversial memo that was making the tech headlines today I saw Rory Caitlin Jones talking about this on the b.b.c. Just a few hours ago partly because it's happened at one of the biggest companies in the world Google and the employee who wrote the memo has now been fired and essentially in the memo which is just the personal opinion of one male Google employee and was titled Google's ideological echo chamber the author argued that women are underrepresented in tack not because they face bias and discrimination in the workplace but because of inherent psychological differences between men and women. We need to stop assuming he said in the memo that the gender gap implies sexism and he goes on to argue that Google's educational programs for young women are misguided well as a result of this the c.e.o. Of Google then sent out his own memo and it's become a bit of a coarser labora as people discuss whether or not tech is inherently sexist Now I'm aware of the irony of discussing this in a room with 3 men let's go around and talk about whether you feel that women are sidelined in any traditionally male workplace I mean this could apply just the same perhaps to a building site for example. There start with you Derek. Orchestra there also there are certain professions where there's a predominant sort of men or certain fashions whether predominance of women more moiety wife is a n.h.s. Nurse in the print profession to launch a proportion of women than men. I don't think that anyone would want would deliberately want that imbalance it just happens that you know it's time perhaps the nurse role has become a traditional female role. But we wouldn't object would we if then the n.h.s. Had a program specifically to recruit my own nurses No it would seem a reasonable way to address it yeah absolutely or actually in favor of. Positive encouragements of more gender balance but having said that I'm also a fan of diversity generally because I don't think diversity is just a gender issue or race issue or sexuality issue that diversity of opinion and look is far more important than gender race or sexuality I mean I guess we can probably all agree that companies that are generally diverse probably better reflecting the country that as opposed to say. Another We make better decisions as well because diversity of this is actually my big things a business that runs on not generally the next person my clients businesses what I can bring is an alternative perspective when you get into a situation where everyone in the room looks and sounds the same in the same educational background social same social background you lose out on that in the decision making but the question is how do you get the company to that position and this appears to be what's happening Google you know an employee that felt that the schemes that were in place to employ more women and to encourage more diversity were in some way silencing his role or the role of other men within the organization he talked as well in this memo about other people sharing conservative political views being silenced because they're such as a kind of flag waving liberal company and you know it's silly isn't it to. Make the case that you know men are having a hard time in the workplace when you look at the gender pay gap and all the rest of it but if there's a feeling that an employee feels their freedom of speech is being silenced or the other people are being given preferential treatment inevitably that is going to cause problems isn't it Neal but that's what's happened this kind of been fired now I scanned the document I have to say I didn't read it in detail and there were some points in his document which would make really interesting discussion and I think an organization like Google should actually just take them time and sat and talked with him and try to understand where he was coming from I think the word in this is understanding because he had a point of view Ok it might not have been the party line and it might not be political correct but he had his point of view and I think discussions and understanding around different points of view is actually opening things up and making you know the diversity more open because yes his point of view may be wrong from a certain fans but there will be other people thinking it so have the dialogue don't just push him out the door then after the dialogue if it's appropriate and it's not right for him to be then fine but have that dialogue 1st I suppose the problem Bernardo is that Google knows they have a problem with female engineers and female technicians and actually some work in a tech adjacent field I write about technology as well as presenting and you know I be I go to visit a lot of tech companies and I've seen in the last 10 years more and more women and younger women people who are millennial don't see the barriers as much but there is a problem recruiting women in these organizations and you sort of can't blame them for just trying to caution anything that says you know your your incentive to get more women in the workplace is just wrong what you're referring to in these type of organizations you're referring to like tech organizations Yeah exactly you know go media companies even the where the female where the engineers or the Internet people are female. You know well I'm a great believe. I'm a great believer that more women should come forward and should have positions of responsibility that's my personal opinion because I think you know the. In Again this is a massive generalization but I think in many cases they bring that balance that some time is required you know when you're in a boardroom when you're in a meeting room when you've got a group of I particularly work really well we women and I love having women working for me within our organization but how he said that I don't really judge it on based on gender I just really look at kind of you know who the person is and what they can actually bring into the over the centuries if you had a positive discrimination policy where you're trying to encourage more women in which is effectively what you're doing would you expect the men in the organization to feel hard done by well quite rightly I mean you know again it's this whole political correctness of what you can or can't say so you know we can agree that women should you know they should be equality equality obviously in the pay gap and also you know within certain roles but quite rightly it should you know Maine should be able to have an opinion so I mean Derek I guess in a way you know an issue like this is effects Google is so out of proportion with any snow media business isn't it it's a bit like the b.b.c. Actually when something happens at Google it becomes headline news but it you you can't represent an organization of that size with a few employees well we all we all tend to live in public and we judge the world by the people around us and it might be that the average Google employee earns $1000000.00 and yet so they're pretty much everyone in there from the outside looks like they're in a privileged position but if you're in there and you're fighting your way up the hierarchy and you see that your career path is blocked because you don't take a certain box then I can understand why you might feel frustrated but from the outside everyone who works there including the post room if they've got a post through. Is going to be paid more than the equivalent working in an s I mean Hemel Hempstead so they all look privileged people and the wind is in there look like they're the winges of privileged people as well and if you write a temp age men know. It goes to the whole firm you've effectively just an attempt a resignation less you know in doing it that's exactly then become this guy's presumed the already lined up his next job well as you know death things that are probably many made himself in Silicon Valley has any Certainly sticking with the tech injure industry actually let's talk about another story that I spotted over the weekend and this is the government telling in Britain telling Cal makers to do more to stop packages taking control of Internet connected vehicles in the future and some of this is real scare mongering stuff there have been examples of cars that remotely been stopped on roads and the brakes have been cut and all the rest of it but that's very rare this is more to do with hackers being able to get personal data from your car say for example if you go to the IP radio that's connected to the Web What if your password was the same for that as it was to be a bank what if they could send you a message saying passive $1000.00 a will will stop your car from starting Do you welcome the government intervening on this. Yes I do I do welcome the government getting involved particularly believe that the whole hacking. The whole hacking world is a very scary one I mean I was speaking to someone who's quite high up and they've been in banking and they work with a lot of. Politicians in different governments around the world and one of the things that he was saying is is that. It's only the beginning we're only scratching the surface of what hacking is all about when we've seen kind of the in our banks being shut down for days and several of them and frequently now they're saying is just the beginning and and this whole acking thing is just something that needs to be addressed. We really need to invest a lot of time money in resources in the people that can help avoid They speak because it's just getting it's just it's only the beginning but is this the way to do with it deal with it because the government haven't actually issued new legislation have they they've just said do more. Well. Is there nothing in place I mean it but they have to come up with something I mean that they said they said to the car makers do more to demonstrate why no legislation but nothing actually that says you must meet the safety standards and in a way maybe that's just realistic maybe that's just pragmatic you know the government's not going to know what the latest malware hack is they just want to see that each company has people in place to be able to deal with it but maybe it's a full security blanket I mean maybe people will feel my car safe because the car industry is doing something when one knows what they're doing well commercial pressure will sort this out I think quicker than government interest and because the launch call manufacturers don't want to be on the front page of the newspapers because you know someone's had a run somewhere or suck on their car yeah if that happens I think they'll be a lot more alert to this than the government really and do you think Neal that. Actually everyone involved in every industry is doing enough to protect themselves from hacking Well I have another point of view and I think i.t. And everything is is actually going a little bit too far I remember the time when I drove a car I don't drive anymore that appear to drive seriously and and actually we're making things too easy for us and they will become a time when all the skills of putting a foot in the clutch changing a care doing reverse parking parallel parking no one will know those skills anymore just like no one knows map Riyad and then a big pack will come in or the computers will go down and no one will be able to drive it's like can we just go back to how it was when you put your foot on the accelerator and the car went forward there were more car accidents then that. You've got computer assisted brakes and everything you know and I think this. We're moving forward towards artificial intelligence a such a species and such a rate and we would well one of the things that about autonomous cars and you know kind of Tesla's and these cars that just literally drive themselves now and we're on we're on a we're on a on a very exciting scary journey which will keep probably in the next 5 to 10 years while always Let's let that is every thing like 10 years in the u.k. With the technology the more problems you create so this hacking thing is a problem because we've moved on in technology sometimes we move fast that then we're able to keep up solving the problems that we've created by the new technology you agree will have fully autonomous vehicles and Britain's rights within 5 to 10 years I hope not. I guess possible it's possible I'm not sure it is but because of course that you're absolutely right in other that's what the industry saying isn't it but I just think legally what do you do if an autonomous vehicle crashes into a normal toll there are going to have to create legislation I mean they were saying the next 5 to 10 years I don't know if it's going to be 5 or be 10 but I mean they were just saying that for example the largest the largest amount of people employed in the us a lorry drivers truck drivers Yeah so the big employments Absolutely but they're talking already about simply the efficiency of having it all to my vehicle whereby it doesn't have to stop its States at the rate that it has to stay Yeah you know safety is just building up very very quickly with the self. As a job concern we're going to consumer based economy and all those consumers need jobs. So if all of a sudden you go to the burger bar and it's also made you go to the supermarket it's automated you go you or anything that's delivered to you is delivered in an automated employee lost way also kind of robots don't pay taxes and pay national insurance so the companies that make them trying avoid every tax they can as well exactly so we could well be going down a route where you know we've got less employees and we've got less text to me and so those people are all working can't be supported by the state on Ok You're listening to the fully. Autonomous. Right here we'll continue with our business panel after this. Travelling. much 3 counties radio. Last 10 minutes coming up shortly if you've enjoyed anything you've heard if you want to contribute to any of the bait debate you've listened to. 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Carrier bag Now you may have just Corbett Bernardo and Mike they had just as we were coming off saying all the plastic bags thing is very interesting why is it interesting but what's happening I've never ever thought I mean I suppose with a but I never thought I would become a bit of an environmentalist. And recently I'm really passionate about you know kind of how we're destroying the oceans with plastic and you know sky has a fantastic campaign with ocean ocean rescue and and also another documentary called plastic oceans and it's scary I mean they're saying that basically within 1020 to 30 years the weight of plastic in the oceans will weigh more than the fish so you know it needs addressing in such a serious way in a serious manner because you know they were just saying that for example a great example in the u.s. The amount of straws are used in one day in one day in the u.s. Could go around the around the world literally 3 times that's the plastics tools we use in one day. I mean plastic bags is only the tip of the iceberg great that we've started doing this putting the 5 p. Charge of tempi charge I hope that I really hope that that money is actually going to education to recycling and for the right reasons or not for the supermarkets Well there's the story this week is that Tesco have said they're going to stop selling the 5 p. Carrier bags in 3 weeks time and only offer 10 p. Bags for life to shoppers The company says that during a trial the number of single use bags sold fell by a quarter so in a way you know if you if you take away a cheaper option from people obviously took away the free option or you take away the 5 p. Option of course people will start using their own bags more and more. But do you think this is motivated by Tesco environmental. Concerns or do you think they're looking at their profits hearing sell more 10 p. Bags Well that's well that's my question is what's happening with those 10 people I'm not really aware of what they do might my opinion is is that what needs to happen and what we need to address is we really need to start looking at how supermarkets could start using a lot or less plastic the one used times you know that we for a packet of strawberries or a packet of grapes you know you get 2 avocados and they surrounded in plastic Yeah it is absolutely ridiculous and that's what needs to be addressed too I guess the issue with that Derek is that the supermarkets would say where we do our research and involve these cutting edge scientists and you know if you wrap an avocado in plastic you offer to raise but if you don't you last for 2 days and it's yes it's bad for the environment but our customers won't put up with rotten fruit and I guess the zona food waste issue as well because we do chuck an awful lot away as a country. I mean only don't understand why as a country we still have an addiction to plastic carry banks because no one thinks the everyone everyone realizes that part of the environment we have known things that are going to be around in 10 years time but actually just done them jointly a lot of other see the need to prolong their existence and continue checking away and put them in one file and then therefore if you include it I guess that would include you corner shop in your local butcher and everything as well here at the moment often they just give you a plastic bag that would mean that you wouldn't leave the house ever without your reusable bag using it people would not do the right behavior you know. Around with reusable bags in the back not through more food as well I do and I never have them with me and I never have them with me when I need them and I end up buying the bags I think the tempi option is better than the 5 p. Option the reason being the 5 people want to say flimsy and they will get thrown away a lot quicker and more often with with the tempi reuse the bull you keep using it and if it disintegrates you can take it back to the Has anyone ever done that know certainly that's what I have to. You look after them and I I have more respect for the Tempe one because actually they're built better yet longer and they will last longer but as I have many others in this room ever returned are bad for life and of another man and it's not because I'm like oh I don't need a 10 page I just don't think Live I mean it's all falling apart around the bin but I'm less likely to throw it away you know than the 5 p. Ones Ok so big supporters of the chargeable bags idea is there anything else we could expand this to try to nudge people in the right direction you're talking about plastics and use of recycling I think I think simply as it was saying I mean you know x. Amount of years ago 203040 years ago plastic bags do not exist we did not have plastic bottles and life you know we all lived and we were but look at Coca-Cola now they've come up and they've said they're going to be recycling 50 percent of the bottles that they use for their drinks 50 percent of them it's not good enough it's not good enough you make billions and billions of pounds 100 percent and the government that's what we need we need to start addressing these things Ok and if anything if you look at countries like Norway Sweden and stuff like that they lead the way as far as you know friendly environmentally you know. Peroxide and recycling we have to be leading the way and why so the whole thing about creating legislation for these things should come from the government and p. People will simply follow Ok but this is a worldwide problem and you hinted at that earlier and when it comes to China when it comes to President Trump there's going to be absolutely no effort on this in that direction so actually I'm not to be defeatist but what we do in Britain makes absolutely diddly squat difference in. The say the same all sorts of things you could say all murder rate is out of kilter with everyone else and we ought to get them over that leads to British people being murdered but even if we all you know like to have an island stop using plastic bags completely if America are using them it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference to the world that's not the attitude the attitude is if we're looking that the plastic is going to is ruining the oceans I mean when you look at these documentaries of fish full of. We eating these things Ok we are eating plastic on a daily basis when you look at all to see is birds full of you know plastic in their stomachs this should really get people thinking which looking about our children and our grandchildren Ok we don't care we should care about them and what they're going to have but it is a slowing point about our global you know I know but it's not all people saying one Tesco saying when he talks Wal-Mart about it well someone gave me a great example I interviewed recently that she she's she's. She's a rule she's done the 3 oceans and and she was saying that look when she gets on a on a sailing boat and she starts rowing away she says Look 11 road just literally takes us a couple of feet but she's done $5000000.00 and with that she's managed to go around the world you know across 3 oceans every plastic bag counts every action that we take counts and we have to start dressing and let's leave the way why not Ok let's finish with this and that is the story that the u.k. Boss of L'Oreal not a man who doubles and make up but a man who really understands future trends says that men's makeup counters could be popping up in department stores in the next 5 to 7 years this Michelle said that the demand for men's make up is growing fast. Attitudes are changing you know we all seem like modern men in this room I think we probably all at least try to moisturizer we're all about level now but when it comes to wearing makeup it seems to me that possibly very young millennial men at the moment might grow up in that world I don't think I'm ever going to go by some make up unless I you know require some plastic surgery or something what do you think the only time I've bought makeup is I do amateur dramatics and after a little bit of slap and a little bit every day you're wearing some now you know. I don't know yet I'm already so only any for a performance but now now I couldn't. The question that it raises to me is what kind of makeup men might buy cars is a say when the boss of L'Oreal says this is going to be a trend it is maybe late maybe a bit of eyeliner. And maybe a little bit base to cover so I'm sounding like. A morning actually not before something that kind of conceals some of those lines the bags on the I.D.'s you get me thinking they're I mean there's never going to be it seems to me either if you disagree with me chaps are never going to be a gender parity here in terms of attitudes to a trip to the makeup counter I think even if the male makeup counter existed for men you know like a lot of male beauty products or condoms or whatever it's a fleeting in and out get the thing get a product it's not let's have a day out let's have a spa Let's see what we are all vending machine much better. I just can't quite see the experience being sold to man. Yes No I struggle to see that as well but as you said I mean a bit of eyeliner and a bit more to rise our you know kind of but I can't I don't know I mean and so he reckons this is going to be a trend that's going to happen well I suppose the point is that you know certainly younger people don't have the same preconceptions about gender they don't have an embarrassment about saying yes I look better when I've touched up my face in a particular way and I guess maybe it's of social media too you know people taking so many selfies and they don't look good on camera I think I think the key word here is could be popping up and I think this is this is this is certainly captured captured the news it's captured the imagination. Whether it actually will and whether they're going to be serious intention of doing it might be a different thing do you think I mean the male beauty sort of era has definitely come has me in terms of moisturizers and after shaves and all that sort of thing I mean it is a different world to what it was even 20 years ago and the grooming products to shave the beard yeah the gristle I can't watch another Advil entirely about a different shaver that's got a bull flexible the I mean this is the most recent study variously as. 17 at least or 18 and I Ok Chaps thank you very much for that you're all going to go off. And by itself the make up now so that you can look pretty for a better next time. And Derek. I'll give you 10 seconds each to tell us about yourselves online if people want to check out what you're up to Neal. Neal Ben with one end there we go beautifully done Bernard don't yet find out more about the best you you can go to the c.e.o. And for n.l.p. Training you go to n.l.p. 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