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This is a one out of 5 Love I'd also not a bio cover with the program in a moment we'll have the latest on the continuing search recovery as rows of tourists who died on the volcano erupting island of White Island just off the coast of New Zealand we'll find out what the latest is in terms of the recovery in that respect we also hear about the U.K.'s warning to its citizens not to visit North East India where they have been clashes associated with India's new rules on citizenship that have a sectarian element to it. The prime minister Brose Jones of these victory last night in the general direction says that the healing be good and how so food will that be and the acknowledgement that the has been. If not the country being told apart so the drifts right through the middle of the country continues the conversation continues post-mortem was after the elections were here how that. Bait is expanding in a moment or 2 now divers in New Zealand the resume their search off white island for the body of one of those killed in Monday's volcanic eruption 6 bodies have been airlifted off the volcano 8 believed to have been left there after Monday's volcanic eruption 4 nights film OSA can tell us more so what's the latest in terms of this recovery operation for a little fart is in New Zealand and say that these divers they've come from the police force and also the New Zealand Navy facing unique in challenging conditions for a 2nd day they are searching for a body that was seen in the waters off white silence the day after the eruption now the water around why it's Hyland has been contaminated by the volcano and recovery teams those diving teams are having to wear specialist protective equipment they were also having to be decontaminated when they come out of the water so far there's no word about whether they've been able to find one of the last remaining victims of Monday's volcanic eruption in New Zealand's Bay of Plenty another victim is thought to still be perhaps near the crater or on another part of the islands but the authorities say that there will be no attempt today to return to the island to look for those remains so at the moment police and Navy divers are still in the water off white island looking for one of those remaining victims and the other is thought to be somewhere still on the island really dangerous conditions for those in the recovery teams as you described there Phil but they have managed to they not to recover some of the people that were left on the on. Yesterday on Friday dot there was a recovery mission led by the New Zealand military elite soldiers 6 men in 2 women were flown in on 2 military helicopters to White Island about 8 o'clock in the morning and for 4 hours they were in protective suits with gas masks it was very hazardous very hard working conditions to retrieve 6 bodies all of this with the risk from scientists that ortho warning from scientists that there was a 50 to 60 percent chance of another eruptions a very courageous operation as we say and those 6 bodies were taken off the island to a Navy ship then transported to the mainland and they have now been taken those remains to all cleaned hospital all kind is the biggest city in New Zealand a post-mortem examination is to be carried out on those remains today but of course the big big task facing the or far it is not just recovering those 2 lost victims but also identifying those who have been recovered from the island so we know that doing that grisly long task of identifying those bodies will be police disaster experts forensic pathologists and also dental specialists as well as you can imagine the relatives of the missing are still in that terrible state of flux they don't know for sure if their relatives are among the 6 brought out all who is remaining in the water or is that body we believe still to be on the island and it is reported that relatives of those missing feeling a sense of calm peace and overriding grief sure they wouldn't want to put anyone else's life in danger amongst the recovery to mature. Because I've seen seen the pictures go on as though people who are listening who've seen the pigeons will know that it looks like nothing or no this island after the eruption is just or the entire island is covered with this gray lava shadow no one is but the conditions that these people are being faced with it's remarkable when you look at those pictures that anybody survived this about 20 survivors remain in Kent in Intensive Care dot and some of them have the most appalling burns and doctors say that some of those survivors have life threatening injuries now they are being treated in New Zealand and here in Australia where there are specialist burns units and it's not just about burns very serious and widespread burns to the skin there also there's also severe damage to the internal organs as well and we were told of a couple of days ago Dr that many of these patients are having to be helped with their breathing because their injuries are so severe and we did find out earlier this week that New Zealand would be looking for $1200000.00 square centimeters of skin to be used in surgery and for skin grafts and I guess what one square centimeter is like the an individual box on the side of a Rubik's cube so if you imagine 1200000 of those it's a huge amount of skin that donated from dead donors and this skin is being used in the treatment of those survivors who have as we say the most appalling of it we forget how large an organ the skin is it's any way of knowing if the or when the volcano is stable. Threat level at the moment remains to this is a sliding scale from 0 to 5 so 5 is the most extreme so to indicate a heightened to a moderate to heightened greyscale of what they describe the scientists as volcanic rest the level of volcanic tremor as it's described on the island has fallen significantly there be no further eruptions since Monday's twin blasts and those to explosions came within a short period of time of each other we understand that they were short and sharp but the situation on White Island remains highly volatile and of course predicting when or if the volcano will blow again is an imprecise science there are monitoring cameras there are other seismic and geological instruments that scientists can use but ultimately they can't say this is the time when the eruption will take place they can only give an estimation of the level of risk and it's worth noting to Dalton that on Monday to 11 minutes past 2 in the afternoon exactly a week after the disaster the prime minister of New Zealand just into our. Is saying that the country will observe a minute's silence she has described this as an extraordinary tragedy so hopefully by then we will have news that goes to bodies will have been recovered those police and Navy divers continue to work you'd have to say in very very challenging conditions searching for that body that was seen in the water 24 hours after the eruption last Monday and the earth or it is also saying they are making a plan to return to the island to search for that other victim who remains on accounted for so hopefully by the time New Zealand and people around the world. Pours for that minute's silence on Monday those 2 bodies would have been recovered and worth noting to do that among almost 50 people on the island at the time were visitors from Australia the United States Germany Britain China and Malaysia so quite clearly the shock waves of this disaster have spread far beyond the once tranquil and peaceful shores of New Zealand's Bay of Plenty Well thank you for most of the U.K.'s wounded citizens who visit the north east of India after at least 3 people have been killed as protests against India's new citizenship laws grow a fortnight's roll turned and Tomi will something we've talked about before but really this is the story now in India and one which is seems to be developing every single day the government earlier this week in both houses of parliament passed a new citizenship bill which in effect covered the countries of Afghanistan Pakistan and Bangladesh and in it what the government said was that if you came from those countries seeking refuge in India you would in effect get it but there was one provision as long as you were not Muslim it applied to Hindus Muslims Sikhs pasties gens and Christians that has led to a huge debate within the country about the way that the country is moving forward and there are people on both sides of this debate let's hear 1st from Shut the door he's from the Congress party he's one of those who feels that. Having in law where you exclude one particular religion is completely wrong essentially this is a republic of equal citizens and for the 1st time now we have a bill being passed which explicitly excludes one religion from its view I find it difficult to believe this can stand the strict scrutiny of the Supreme Court it will certainly be challenge there but for now it's a black day because it's a day in which we have essentially run a coach and horses through something that has show foundationally basic to what our country is all about. Shashi Tharoor there from the Congress party the government dismisses that they said look there is no reason for Muslims in India to be worried about this build as citizens of this country this is only for people coming in from outside. Is a spokesperson for the b j p government doesn't want to let any law and then constitution and we had a they should abort it and here it is law will be challenging the Supreme Court of India and we will prove it that does not while it any other region of the Constitution this is going to end up in the courts but I think this is much more debate about the direction that India is going in some say this is a movement away from its secular past others say that a country that was based on religion is always going to end up being one where one religion the Hindu religion should be more important than others but meanwhile the protests to get bigger and bigger on the streets how large of a huge start and they're absolutely huge and there are different sorts of protests there's one set of protests against this bill and the fact that Muslims have been excluded from it and also other communities the Tamils in Sri Lanka the Buddhists in Tibet the range of Muslims from Manama as well is another example outside those countries so we have had large protests like that but the main protests are in the northeast of India and there in Assam the protest Rapsody huge there for a different reason because they're saying we don't care about the religion of these people we don't want them in our particular state if they're coming in from Bangladesh then they should be going to the state of Bengal not coming here we cannot accommodate more people a number of people have died already we think about 3 people we've had curfews imposed imposed in Goa Harty the largest city these are some of the biggest protests we've seen in the northeast and this is an area where traditionally we've had insurgency movements because people want to leave India the home secretary and which I was supposed to go he couldn't go. It's a complete state of turmoil and there doesn't seem to be any indication of these protests quite in down in fact they're getting bigger and bigger day by day even though the prime minister Mr Modi has tweeted people maybe not the best idea when you cut their Internet to say there's nothing for you to worry about at all they're not buying that message at the moment while the Foreign and Commonwealth Office here in the u.k. Don't seem to be buying vet assurance either what is the British government saying about this they're telling people to avoid the area and Assam is quite a popular tourist area because it has canteen anger which is home to the rhino in India you get a lot of tourists from Britain and other parts of the world who are going there and also traditionally it's the part of the world where tea comes from so you get a lot of people who want to get up to the Ts states and see how it's made so it's not just the u.k. The us as well we've had different warnings coming out from different governments in the e.u. This is a situation that is getting more complicated because also now some states in India like the state of Bengal the state of Punjab as saying we don't care that the central government has passed these citizenship laws we're not going to implement them in our states now the government said you can't behave in that way within the federal Constitution of India so you get a sense of a chaotic complicated situation which at this point in time we have no idea how it's going to be resolved roll turned to Richard Lewis is from the Daily Express We told me what's on the back page it's going to do a study it's a picture you can clock interest in there yesterday all 6 clear the top of the Premier League has now signed a contract extension which takes them so 2024 and he's looking to leave a legacy of course local determined to finally win the Premier League and he signed the squad of the moments outstanding we will level you have to stand trial and he wanted to develop things further So yes that came out of the blue a little bit but it just shows the commitment club it's like it's Liverpool I see. You journalist at the Express had your stock much is thinking as club signed this contract why. It was very interesting that is very true because the news broke around half past 11 yesterday of the contract but one hour and 23 minutes earlier in Glasgow Steven Gerrard signed a new contract with the right injures until 2024 exactly the same day that you can club's contract and let's put you into get a for now. And you never know who is Stephen Gerard the successor to you can close up in 5 years time has always been talked about his you know the thing with Steven Gerrard is going to a huge club to learn the trade of management and so much so much suggestion that he's a fugitive or manager or maybe that is all just trying to it's a it's some currency isn't it it might not be the amount to be planned but you never know Gerard certainly will be there right in just 2024 and when he leaves if the contract comes in and then you have another little joke about the gripes it is too much of a coincidence for journalists to ignore you would be do your job would you if you ignore that coincidence although Steven Gerrard said earlier on in the week that just to prove that his job ranges he's not using Rangers is just a stepping stone to move elsewhere he That's why was done is long gone Jack Yeah that's a very interesting point and and and a good point because that is so true. I think he wants to almost go they don't like to see it arranged beaten beaten by soda in the in the Cup Final last weekend. But they progress through to the next knockout stage of the right to late of course and he really wants to make his mark it's not only not an easy job but he's done is done well so far and he's not going to 5 years to really take on the chance to sell it when somebody tries to. Scotland and Jerry's returned to match them and obviously Go ahead of them and that 5 year time span that you mention is just about the right amount of time for you to be able to hold your head up without anybody accusing you of using it as a stepping stone even if you do you mean Von point well yes it had been there were 66 off years doing it and. That is very true and the thing is Liverpool certainly wouldn't want to take on a manager as the highest level of experience and Gerrard is getting that in Europe. And he's learning the trade at a tough price so you know you know if she's actually here on the cup Steven Gerrard's and I'm sure even if it's not in 2024 that's a few years beyond that I'm happy sure one day we will see him and see him a little manager but you know it is a meltwater in prospect this is a really old your town square it really is I wonder well I can't imagine what. You can copy thinking but nevertheless just for the benefit of humoring me if you would who can you imagine if it was to come to that decision. The Liverpool. Directors board and maybe even fans who would they choose Steven Gerrard a legend at the club who if his managerial stripes are up to par and could equate to your going club who by then would be a legend at the club if this season is anything to go by if you can replicate this over the coming seasons who would they choose. It's a very difficult choice and it really will be because the thing is I think even if we don't win the league this year I think the club already isn't actually crap after what he achieved last year after the quality of football I played of course beaten by my city title I just one point it was so close and then then winning the Champions lays a say. About steps a legacy but he certainly cried is our legacy already Klopp will go down as one of the crime as of all time but he does want to take this further and you think if he progresses like he's progressing because the political side of the man on the thing just like fantastic Wow what could have achieved within 5 years time of course have the Club World Cup coming up this week in a char where of course they'd have to have 2 chambers plank push the same time because they're in the Kara Cup quarter finals not before and then they're playing in the Club World Cup the 1st time following dying Qatar so there's an amazing success ahead of a livable equally he could set up a credit platform that Gerrard comes in wow what a team takeover it could be so it will be fitting in supply so little to regain the dominance of English football that had obviously the summer years during the there is a lot of other news in the paper as well not football news before we go into football let's get on to your specialist subject which is darts and well the great dogs tournament is taking place Alabama you know London yes the best 3 weeks of the year has just started after. The p.c. World out champions began last night and was almost a shock for the number one seed and the defending champion Michael Van Gogh and because he was one set down in his opening match against fellow does when you know class somebody can battle him back to some fantastic finishing any Eve aggressor it really has become a part a part of Christmas a part of the end the end the year of sports and it's such a. Huge event the World Darts championships 1st covered it over 20 years ago and the way it's grown has been unbelievable and the quality of play and and the stands are so high and the full houses and the noise the atmosphere Yes but the thing is obviously shocks are all part of sport I don't think I think the organizers revolt would have wanted I'm going out on the 1st night but they've progressed through so they can have have an easy way before his next match but certainly exciting few weeks ahead and ye employ your eye on one particular cricket defense board's person and Vivia as well yeah Ben Stokes is the clear favorite the awards tomorrow taking place in Aberdeen and I had lunch superhuman in the story with Paul Collingwood talking about Ben Stein's incredible treatments to shares in them on the cricket World Cup in New Zealand and then his amazing erratic set in that his Test at Headingley and so great great tributes from Paul Collingwood and it be a surprise if style x. Doesn't win the award of 3 there's this 6 great contenders going for it but Stokes really has been Sportsman of the year because of what was achieved in the summer within that winning that World Cup of course one might that that was phenomenal mentions united the you pointed out in the paper this morning yes extraordinary playing Everton tomorrow at Old Trafford and it is incredibly the 4000 the sec it is match when I've had a player for America to me and I matched I scored and Guy number 4000 right now goes back to 1937 obviously it's not for 1000 players it's a it's some players have been at school but they're homegrown players. And we've got a pace risk on the Tommy I'm talking about that in the fine Academy is a remarkable remarkable run. And it just shows that in this day and I drove of so many international styles coming to clubs United remain. Reminds of the to the heart of ones and develop their employers in that store during the lives of mice and Greenwood is not progressing through ever so wasn't so sure about that so yeah it's a really fascinating streets around and it's like it's perfect for a Saturday morning sort of separate get your teeth into and one that we didn't even know about probably And oddly I've edited their opponents later on today is another club which always seems to give the nod sadly Certainly car needs to get to me players but the question every journey is lives is where the big Dunc should get the managerial job after his success last weekend against Chelsea and I see that an old boy of the Everton Academy is giving these thoughts to your playbook and that's why I'm really of course wanted Everton and once or Manchester United are perfect just so that he had a press conference yesterday at Darby wary culture might use their view next year when he's allowed to apply. And he signed that if Everton win win tomorrow Trafford should not be 2 wins of course for Ferguson while given the job because he's pulled the passion back and he's got a fair point and inside the piper Ferguson is talking about and he says if it hasn't do win this match it be a greater achievement when he was a player and they think beating Manchester United they were incredible scenes last weekend when the h.l.c. . Excitement of the crowns and I just was there and I know why the way the reaction that the circus and got from clients and in charge going down the touchline you could just either just say employees die is the way to go boys let's on see him again that was real that wasn't just for the camera yes sadly our last album The ball boys respect this guy yeah and there was a lovely line come to come out about. How candles whites. Around. I don't know. How cold water she wore during the rivets and come out like they did last week and it could be a real cracking match the traffic and really says if I make it 2 wins out of so you know it's looking like Everton want to appoint a manager for a broad Well they might have the answer on a doorstep of the president of the news as well will catch of the debate continues after the general election yesterday and also we'll find out about the new green deal as it's now the 1st leg of the latest headlines Morgan. On digital b.b.c. Sound smart speaker come on this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live thank stars and the prime minister is going to be Allison about in the north of England later it's after a number of traditional Labor strongholds turned blue police arrested 2 people in connection with reported scuffles that broken out between protesters and police again spurious Johnson hundreds of people marched from Downing Street to Trafalgar Square Jeremy Corbyn has been insisting he will not stand down as Labor leader it's after the party suffered its worst defeat since the 1930 s. And more trains quicker journey times and new routes are all part of major changes to train timetables the alterations which will also see the 1st nonstop trains between London and Bristol in decades come into force tomorrow as the top stories this morning with the supporters tango 11 Paul could be 17 points clear of rain Premier League champions Manchester City by the time Pep Guardiola side kick off away it's Arsenal on Sunday the European champions travel to what fit in today's Italy game on a run of 33 matches on beaten former England midfielder Jermaine Jenas says they will break Arsenal's Invincibles record of $49.00 games without losing and credits the improvements and squad depth there are times last year look to them for you might struggle to pick up a few injuries here because I don't think it was kind of the bench was at the level but in. Now I talk to James and comes off the bench and he's at top speed now Milne is always there I thought Henderson is going to a new level she carry a lawn you name it all the players that are common in doing a bit are massively contributing year in Corpus committee to another 5 years at the club News warmly welcomed by a longtime rival and spears boss Josie written news for Liverpool fans because for the players because it looks. Like it was. Good news for the family because we want to have the best players the best coaches . So. It was more contract news out of Anfield sees 33 year old James Milner extend his stay at the club until 2022 in the Championship it's now 10 games without a win for Charlton after they concede in n.g. Time equaliser to draw 2 all home with hole. 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Good morning the weekend is looking very blustery it will be wet at times it's going to feel cold especially in the wind for there will also be some sunshine occasionally too but it is low pressure in charge so there will be time to showers around at times let's take a look at things into Scotland for the day ahead now most of the showers coming in here will be in the West but getting through the central belt as well and they're going to be a bit of snow to the Hill so hillwalkers take note of towns and heavy downpours too low levels is welcome to cloud across Scotland so the limited sunshine to be found here and we know that sunshine and shout out going to be wintry on some of the hills and the fewer showers around the south to compare with this morning across northern England sunshine and showers of again venturing into the hills as he put a slower to be across the rest of England and Wales is an area of showers moving through mostly this morning with sunshine following all behind us a fairly pleasant afternoon to come but do expect things to turn a wetter towards her 1st in the South Wales going into believing as the next next batch of wet weather starts to move in and with wind strengthening again with some gusts from the coast of south western with 260 miles an hour it is a windy day wherever you are temperatures topping out mainly in the range of $4.00 to $8.00 degrees Celsius just a few spots will be sort of close to being good around 10 degrees now through tonight so we are going. See some more rain in the hills not affecting parts of England a while privately modest hills a whiles middle of the Northern England will save a bit of snow for how to balance out the winter shows it's got a little bit early to start quite frosty I see a quick call to Sunday morning then the showers 5 nights to quite a bit a try weather for touring but then towards southern England the pulse of Wiles' on Friday afternoon it will start to watch with showers reappearing again some of these will be wintry on the hills accompanied by strong with Bill Plante live Brahimi common knowledge pay nearly. Anyone else. Some are funny believes could be a living someday from say it's Manchester United's against innocent class against Manchester City from false flags atheists fight life. Fine families East digital b.b.c. Sad Slough economy this is b.b.c. Crazy. As applies accurately defining today would have to say this is the morning after the morning after the night before if you know what I mean Advent night before indeed after Thursday died election victory or. Friday morning's election victory because that was when we knew for certain that Boris Johnson had secured something of an a.t.c. Big George c. In the general election well whenever it was our view want to describe it the conversation around that continues it will continue no doubt for some time beyond our conversation this morning Boris Johnson is going to visit the north of England later on after celebrating his party's biggest election win for 30 years the prime minister has said he hopes the conservatives victory will bring closure to the BRICs a debate and let the healing begin he won a commons majorities I say of 80 his party's largest since 987 in contrast Labor's. But it's worse election results says the 1930s party leader Jeremy Corbyn said he did everything he could to get labor into power but expects to stand down early next year when his successor has been chosen by the party earlier I spoke to Kate our inside he's a former political journalist who's now senior lecturer in journalism at the University of North Hampton and the Guardian columnist and former political editor of The Observer Gaby Hinsliff and Isles Gaby 1st who is she surprised by the election result yeah I was shocked I mean I was expecting the Tories to win but I thought it would be a much smaller majority and this would mean this was probably the talk. Of where some of the projections were a little bit over the top end but that wasn't you know where. Most people were expecting it to be it was almost like it once it once it happened once that will break down it will it will come down in a rush you know and suddenly it was a flood of the victory so yeah the exit polls were real a bit of a jaw dropping my master plan we saw Ok things really have changed I mean it was interesting I think I mean this the size of the majority is certainly surprising obviously you have to factor in the margin of error in any set of opinion polls and you look at the trend over the election campaign pointing at least to a majority but not as substantial as the it maybe think that actually what might have been going on was something that we saw a bit in 1000 back in 1902. People weren't necessarily fessing up to being conservative supporters. Politics has got so polarized these days that sometimes people prefer to stay quiet in the middle or force of don't know why it opened to the wire and I think you know quite a few people were making a final decision in the privacy of the ballot box and my goodness it came down in Boris Johnson's favor so what extent was this a Briggs it election though if you like it another referendum on breaks into one state was a referendum on Germany cool been. There's no getting away from you know the fabrics it causes enormous shadow over the whole thing but I think what made the election so complicated nor So what made it hard for many people to decide how they want to and it made the whole trend piece to get a feel for what's happening on the ground was that people were struggling to mak their preference which might take me in one direction. Against their you know their their preferences and all the rest of the domestic stuff and kind of not being able to make them sit together so that a lot of people thinking I can't cope with my new all try so but I don't feel it if you succeed leap to go outside. So so what am I going to do it was a kind of election where bricks it collided quite on comfortably with all the other things that are not about bricks and coping very much so we could have been very clear that he wants to argue that the treaty is you know you were down to breakfast and you know you'd have one if it wasn't for breakfast I honestly don't think that holds you know getting ready to carry. Your fact yes you know I mean you look at the feedback from. Labor M.P.'s who survived last night and those who lost the seat and there's been some an interesting polling about the number of columns Corben was mentioned as an issue on the doorstep and you look at the scale of the collapse in those labor Hartman's in the Midlands and the north it wasn't people bricks it by a long true. And it's actually jaw dropping looking at the disconnect between what it presents as the most radical left version of all the labor policy that we've had for decades that purports to represent the working man and woman and yet the working man and woman weren't voting for them on Thursday and that for labor is a real challenge. But beyond that I think breaks it wards the fundamental issue. And the simple slogans of the conservatives get bricks it done it can't be true and it can't through very very effectively played. Into the hands with out that message I do not think they would have been as we mostly successful in knocking down the labor was the only thing the Tories had going for them that to be honest I mean I think you know get breaks it down. I was obviously wheels of moxie at the time because because your stance doesn't say anything else you know all this. And it turns out you know right now that there is no but I mean if you look at I think the Tories were also doing well they look at the numbers they must of hacks and Tory remain a staying with them for fear of Corbin and I think we all you know obviously did our dramatic change is in those donors no one post industrial towns you know that it's a shock to say turned Tory but you know Labor lost badly across Scotland. Remain lost in some southern marginals you know places like Stroud which is incredibly remaining you know very green and very gaunt and raging and you know so you to to say that that is just about cracks it doesn't explain why labor was losing in remains as well the labor was down. And you already see it's not just and it remains the source it was worse than. That in remaining states and I think the Tories did make use the only other thing partials never said to call them get it done was don't let Jeremy cope in and post it I was wary of that or that they were indeed I did think it was interesting that if you drill down into some of the results in labor hold the if you put where the bricks party stood if you put the brakes it Party vote together with the conservatives if Nigel Farage pulled out not fielding his candidate in the seat it is conceivable that Labor would have lost even more seats because that was the job to see if you combine the conservative vote with the BRICs party that would comfortably have beaten labor. What Nigel Farrar did in those seats was split the bricks and let labor through which of course was. The Tory message in the seats a scary thing for labor I think it's not necessarily. This is not necessarily its flaw you know there are now a bunch of seats that used to be safe and didn't go this time but now have quite small margins of 90 we can't imagine muzzle cataclysmic performance it would have to cut into loose eyes as well but you know it's not necessarily as low as it can go. And actually if you pick I mean for example one seat Ashfield in North not in I'm sure I don't remember when I used to many many moons ago I was the lobby correspondent and not an Evening Post Ashfield m.p. At the time Frank Haines x. Miner he could weigh his boat the way the label whereas I was the last I went to I feel this time and it was transferred over to the Labor candidate she would. Play and she was a great actor I thought it was really interesting likely candidate who was really you know. Guts out for that seat and behind the Tories and an independent you know I know I'm coming 3rd in Ashfield it just shows the mountain that Labor has to climb now. And you know looking forward it could take you know more than one parliament for labor to pick itself back up off the ground here you know this is a really bad defeat for them if you want to be optimistic and you know I'm sort of . Well whether it's people looking for cheering up. There isn't as. Dire and disasters and awful and normally you wouldn't bounce back from this kind of thing so you know. Practically there is no argument that says if the main problem and we know slim opinion polling out today that I promise Cohen what he's going to next problem with Bret said Well Ok you know at some point Rex is going to be dumb. We all know that we will eventually enter a post Brix it is happening so whether or not you support it is no longer quite such an issue so there is an argument assess politics is so volatile now things can turn really fast maybe you know you can people can come out of declines quicker than they used to be able to the past I am saying that is a very optimistic scenario I'm not necessarily going to help but the let me say there is a look at what the science Yes I mean other interesting thing is I mean obviously some of the noise. Johnson's day. He made the same gamble that reason may did and he was on the way whereas she spectacularly lost. You know he has every reason to be. In credibly pleased with the conservative performance but that was actually the easy bit now it's going to get really tough yes he has a hefty majority in the House of Commons but the challenges ahead. On him then negotiating that long term deal with the European Union he set himself an arbitrary deadline of the end of the end of the 2020 a deal not scale has never been negotiated with such speed with before he says he can get it done we will have to see but there is still a we will danger that we might crash out without a deal. And then the backlash from the impact on the economy could be whale any over he's one nation aspirations. To deal with the public services it was interesting he was stressing that the Conservative Party had to meet the concerns of those in Labor voters. Who put their cross in the poor ebox front to. Sort of them on public services but if you get a very honed bricks it or No Deal bricks it he wouldn't have the economic leeway to provide the money for that and that's even before you still all skiing the question of right Mr Jones and what is your great plan to deal with the crises such as adult social care which the men and part government of the government has dumped this issue it wasn't in the manifesto but he can't keep Goldring a lot of pressure so he committed to finding a cross party solution we're miles you know is a cop out option but I think it's particularly there's a problem with the time which is you know I would think goodwill between the parties in preschool. The moment is not what is left of the Liberal Democrats now either they have a leader at the moment because she lost her seat if Jeremy Corbyn stays around he's suggesting that he might tell next spring or whatever then the Labor Party's not going to have an active media for a long time either so even if one wanted to get together a club with a hasty solution special there's not going to be a leadership that will agree to no such thing yes but the problem is the crisis is getting worse and worse and worse and people are really suffering and you take that building all along wave the brakes in negotiations not disappearing as some people think in a puff of smoke and we've got it done and now we can forget about it it is going to drag on and on and on and we get a whole bricks it and the public services all struggling and getting. Boris Johnson will have some questions too. From those labels that have given him. Really about public service is I'm more optimistic than you about it because I think a bigger majority does create the conditions where that the most likely scenario in which Boris would be pushed to a no deal Brix it which I think we now know he doesn't want because he put in a last minute last comment the conditions in which he was going to be pushed that are a small minority with they are paying a sales and saying you have to you have to you know if you have. A majority of you are not quite as in hock to the had an attendant say so you know you have the flexibility I think and confidence that point if you leave at the end of January and you get to the end of the year in the trade deal is not done which as I said. You know I think he has the flexibility then to say look how you know we cling to my we're no going back it's just going to take a bit longer to deal with it you know I think he has a certain amount flexibility for that I think that people are as you say public service is about the bourses never been very clear about what it was he stood for except what we need I think is a grand vision and I understand that there's a problem with those new seats I mean you can win those seats but if you want to win them again at some point. You need in the meantime to represent them and there are very different people look bunch of constituents perhaps in the next have to pass' used to representing conservative party is no longer now a sort of comfortable southern middle class party or it's no longer only that it's representing people with a whole different set of concerns and it's got to think about whole range of policy areas that have not been its expertise before you know it's got to think about solutions post-industrial areas where you know coal and steel is going in there and he's going to replace them since I've been a big problem when you're used to absentee not massive sorry you know it's going to think about half a rather than higher education it's. Got to think this is rather than can be to he's got to think that's all you need is got to think about representing a bunch of people who have different concerns to sort of crack story base at the same time is not. The kind of Tory base that it's still got to hold together and holding together that coalition seats I think is going to quite haunt I think Parcells has also got hold on a Saturday don't have to hold on just one second I just wonder if p. Before we can talk about the practicalities of the government and what the government will have to face can we just put a footnote on to the conversation of the post-mortem which no doubt will carry on long after this conversation this evening I wonder whether any is tied to what the practicalities of what the government will be able to do going forward I wonder if you would conclude existentially that this election destroys our democracy is concerned was a election which reflects the will of the people or whether it's actually about the will of the political strategists the will of the media. If you know what I mean by that I wonder if we can sort of extrapolate from the result last night one way or another Kate 1st I will be minded to say it is the will of the people I think. Who a great deal of this until. A lot of people were very very they'd all been awful awful activity in the Westminster bubble. You know social media campaigns by the political structure I think this just reflecting got a plea we heard an awful get bricks it gone. We don't trust Corwin it's a bull's eye on the people that we didn't like in the 1st place. You know you can argue that under the for the post system you know if you 2 percent voted for what may be. Ortiz is 48 and going to leave early forties but this is the system we have . And I you know I think it just does represent the country really accurately. I think yeah I think if it had been close I think there would have been a real danger that people would have contested the result would have found it really hard to contest except the result you know that a lot of well hang on portions not Tuesday throughout the campaign you know how do we know that people really knew what they were voting on they would get a lot of. Focus on this of dirty tricks during the campaign and so what if it had been really tight but when is this overwhelming I don't you can look to and say I want to turn to this really represents what people saw I think I think I think you're getting yourself to say it doesn't and you know within that of course it will always be said that you know the media is harder on left wing latest than it is on right wing leaders because the media bribing press is more dominant but I think you know that is the whether you've learned to navigate that or you don't label it as you learn to navigate successfully when labor leaders you don't and that may not be fair but I see how it is in which case you can say conservatively that actually they have paid similar prices. In the past but I also think it's worth flagging up we very much focused on the Labor Conservative battle story in Scotland and Northern Ireland is so important because we had different campaigns going on and I actually think this election is a potential real turning point the conservatives now have a clear route to bricks it brought in Scotland you had a terrific result for the Scottish who are committed to Scottish independence in Northern Ireland for the 1st time you now have more nationalist M.P.'s than unionist and he mounted their. The real thing. You know within 10 maybe 15 years the outset this country will no longer be United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland it will be united England Wales and Scotland will go on and Northern Ireland will have joint Republican. I worry about that too and I think we're in a really dangerous period for the union and I can totally understand I mean personally I mean it's like an entirely understand why you know England rappelling all the bits of the Union with what it's doing on Praxair it's interesting that one of the 1st calls that. Are made today was to Nicholas sturgeon and it was a secret stick your both sides he said you know after a referendum she said well I want one and both. Are arguing that you know they've got to he's saying I've got a mandate for Bracks and that's what we're doing and you're coming with us and she sang you know. The landslide the s.n.p. . This election we've got a mandate for independents and how that's result. I don't know I mean those 2 are more than a match for each other you don't you know no one goes broke betting on Nicholas didn't play in a fight and I can see just how many obvious leverage over the prime minister to make you give her the referendum she wants and he's oversee highly incentivized not to reference. But if like so it terms of under-estimated things that might get in the way of breaks it or timetable I would have said you know Scotland is right up there because what happens if Scotland starts arguing directly to Brussels look we want to leave you know you can't let Britain leave with ass when we've made perfectly clear we have a democratic mandate to. Turn to Rym. How
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