If we're in my study my very naughty West Highland Terrier would be joining in and being huffy getting no attention so it's very distracting. He's called. He's an old dog that he's sort of 30 and so he's very Mike you're in my space. But we're here interest festival theater overlooking Oakland Park because I'm a child girl born and bred and the very 1st time I ever went to theater was here with my parents when I was 6 and in those days people dressed up here too and I remember being in my party dress and patient shoes and my white socks up to the knees and all of these things and it's a place that's been the landscape to all of my life and in a way think partly the fact became a writer and got involved in theatre is because I grew up in try and came to this theater so it's a place it's very special to me it was the play it was a play called The Italian straw hat by called Oni and it was the most amazing thing that I've ever seen and there was the most beautiful woman an actress called Sarah Pradelle who I said this and I now understand my mom was highly offended said I said to hope my 6 year old self was the most beautiful person I. Could Only once got yes we got together. But what was so interesting that years years later when I came back here and I wrote the 50th anniversary book for C.F.B. In 2012 I learnt all the backstory to that place so in my mind it was perfect and beautiful and wonderful and when the lights went down I thought oh this is it this is a magical world I understand that there's there are these things now but when I came to write the book I discovered that it only been put in at the very last moment there was no sex they just had to paint the back of the theater and it was because Danny Kaye. Had been coming to do a completely different play and at the last moment he pulled out and to go to sing for the troops in the 6 Day War You can't be anger is OK you know it was it got this ludicrous think so they put this thing on that the last moment and there was stories about all the stagehands working back in the days before the working time directive all day and all night men falling asleep in the aisles because they were so tired and the back wall was just paint but to my 6 year old eyes it was magic so it's just lovely to have learned years later something so important to me the 1st piece of theatre I ever saw then had this incredible back story that of course I knew nothing about for another 50 years here the backstage of everything is interesting isn't it I find it straining I love that I think where you get the energy from why so why did you see it play and you've written plays Yes but you're more well known for your brilliant books and by the way I mean to the burning chamber. It's. Brilliant I mean I don't have to tell you it's pretty but it is prudent I would never have known whether you read to get those very No I just love it I love it can I say so it's right the beginning so you won't get one spot and think torture scenes upset me a lot of well they. They upset me a lot of my hate writing them and I didn't write that in sequence that scene but the reason that there is one right at the beginning is that. A little talk goes a very very long way and that's life if you like but you do need it there I think for the fact that 2 things firstly Although I write imaginary characters it's against the backdrop of real history and I think it is dangerous when history is sanitized too much because people don't actually understand what's at stake and for my characters I want the readers to engage and be asking themselves What would I do if I was in this position people need to know that if the soldiers come to your door in the 16th century and cocked. So I'm in the southwest of France and say you must give up the people you're hiding the reader needs to know what the actual consequence will be because otherwise you go Well I would stand firm but when you know what happened to people it's that sort of humanity about it's very easy to look back at the past and think well we would all behave differently but so it's really important that people know this is not a game this is not Hollywood and I think a lot of history on screen in particular. Is just not really very truthful about the reality of real people's lives most important to know that this is happening NOW Yes exactly and that's so relevant still it's sto relevant still so but I didn't write it where it appears because I find writing those scenes of violence really upsetting. So I tend to leave a marker and think I know I need that and there's a couple of them in the book and I just build myself up to it could happen at any moment I think OK today I'm going to write those scenes I'm just going to get them out the way and then I put them where they belong so you cite yourself that's what I'm trying to go to be in the mood for it so play it so you can see a play about it just like blew your mind but you want to write books as opposed to plays get married I mean this was you know I was 6 now I know so it fact what I started to be lucky with my writing so I started to have actual readers and be interfered and all of these things I would always say well no no no I've I never wrote and then I started getting e-mails from girls that I've been at school with here in China going what do you mean you were always writing terrible. Plays and make a guess action and then someone to date you remember in the 3rd form year 9 nowadays you did a play set on the moon we'll have to make our own costumes out of silver foil and I swear I had forgotten this there are all these awful plays came out of the woodwork which fortunately are not. And I did do quite well. Of drama when I was at university but I didn't. My impulse for writing was towards fiction and I think in the 1st instance and I think the reason for that is. Control . With an awful it's your responsibility as the writer to create the entire world 360 crews every smell every bit of light a bit of sound different texture every story and that sort of 100 metric world when you start writing is really attractive because in the end it's you and your pen or you and your laptop or you know whatever it is you do so and the stories I wanted to tell were huge stories so all of my historical fiction which I love letters to caucus on and the southwest of France they are they're too big for the stage. Whereas what is beautiful about theater is about finding the moment and in a way in theater it's about a wants this be wants that they're in conflict see comes in how is it can be resolved it's about the words and about the emotion between characters whereas a novel is about everything it's about description you know I could write a brilliant scene of us sitting here looking out over this I'll make you Solomon in the a great order and say when you're saying it was I think we'll both be told I said oh yeah I met you know that that's the joy of fiction in the theater not so much. So I think it's that really so it's taken me much longer to come to play writing you know I came into the very Securitas route. So your child girl child girl so my I had a dear friend. If you know him this is going to blow my mind he was a child boy and he was so proud of it yeah yeah we like being what's the try thing it's it's so hard to say but what I think a lot of it is that there. There were 3 secondary schools. In my day there were you know there are schools further out and they're different schools now but when I was growing up in sixty's and seventy's here. There was the girls' high the boys' high. Which was a new school and that opened in the seventy's and that was a Church of England school where is basically child was the girl 2000 girls comprehensive. 2000 per year basically everybody who lived here went to school you know that was the thing it was it you know and I think that's the joy of Charley that. We all we all feel that we come from somewhere part of the reason I'm a writer I am I wrong I have to go to France in order to discover that voice but it is about having this huge sense of place and belonging somewhere which I feel for Try and for my adopted city of caucus on it's the same feeling about you come from somewhere and you know the mortifying thing is the very 1st novel ever wrote. Which luckily is not available yet in Charlie and it was an I and it starts actually with a sexy I don't know what possessed me because the very 1st of hentai did was in Sussex nations in China and of course I looked around so inexperienced suddenly realised I was going to have to read from the beginning of all I could see what my parents my sisters my teachers from school people up in that school. What I could I could you know so I learned right there but there is and I think the thing that's also really interesting is because when we're growing up we all can't you know we've got Can't wait to get away and all of these things my very 1st job was here selling ice cream to teach the Festival Theatre we worked here all of that sort of stuff my niece is now work in the restaurant you know is it so there is still the pattern of life of course things are completely different in 2900 from you know when I was here but also it's not different. You know you walk around and people take morning warning and people have lived here for a long time and a lot of 1st go away and then when we have children we come back and I think it's that sense of. You know anyone who calls child their home belongs here but there's also a lot of my sisters both live locally my brother in laws live locally my mother in law lives with my parents you know it's it's all of that my husband and I met at child high school production you know even it's called child is trying I'm. So happy you are exactly there we are and I'm sure your friend Graham is the same. Regardless you know him Gardner. Would be saying how old is he is probably going to be. 65. A little bit older. No will say we'll say we're going to say Well Lou back in you were thinking of discovery and so you mentioned your mom and your sisters and this whole series this is a new series it's about whips and whips are women who are hot intelligent in their prime but. I am wearing a jumper as now you have got. So. Which whips of influence do you so who do you think of being really powerful women that have. An impact pattern I think. For all of us. Who are women who think in terms of supporting other women it's only when you're older you realize that you have that support without quite realizing it in a funny sort of way so obviously my mom she was an amazing woman and right up until 2 days before she died in her late eighty's she was performing on stage with the entertainment troupe that she and my mother in law were in in a pair of fish nets introduced to get away and she was really here today gone tomorrow and it was it was awful she died at Christmas 2014 but she was very much of her generation in. The opportunities she would have had now were not the one she had as a child growing up in the war and all of the things that happened after that and so she was brilliant and clever and wonderful but never had those chances but she was got trained as a teacher she did all of these things you know she was brilliant she was on every committee she helped run the local guide she helped form the parish council she was trained as a law Electra she just got on and it's stuff and my memory of growing up and my lovely lovely dad as well was they taught me together but I could see my mum was very much driving force in this of their responsibility again of living where you live so my childhood was spent with people in the kitchen stuffing on the Lopes doing things for nothing that sense of community and my mom just was the chair of this the secretary of that she just she just did stuff so I learned from her 1st. Do things for other people secondly there's much more time in the day than you think and there's more to life because she didn't have a full time job when my sisters and I were growing up she had a part time job that it wasn't all about what you did for a living it was how you lived Yes. And so she was fantastic and you know government school you know all of this sort of stuff very very committed to the local place more recently I would say also my mother in law very different granny very easy. You know your books dedicated Yes absolutely not that she's read that one. By historical fiction harm are my granny reading lamp on right is known locally as everybody calls her granny Rosie and she's very different sort of person and she got down here her father was an unreserved occupation who was a gardener of one of the big houses so he didn't go in fight. Like my you know my dad did and she you know she passed the 11 plus and taught herself to play the piano when she was waiting to go home from school when she was growing up here in Apple DRAM she came to school and that's how she got school. And she you know has had a tough old life in many many ways but she's one of those people who trained as a teacher also and worked at the school in Chinese food water for mentally and physically disabled young people and she is extraordinary in that she just takes everybody as they are and that goes for the young people that she was teaching for anybody who she might meet in our house and she's just she says it like it is no agenda. And has you know she would quite often kill me for saying this you know when I got home after they shall go some over the yardarm was over the yardarm somewhat rosy So it's time for a change in tonic what it is 20 past 11 but why not you know. So she's just got some of the things that she's got a real. And it was a wonderful thing what you know of course because I met my husband at school here my mum and my mother in law have known each other for a very very long time. But we all lived together and your lives together now while my mom is gone and my dad is gone now. But yes yes well they were like yeah we all live together and it was you know it was this wonderful thing to sort of the 1st thing in the morning when the cameras were with my dad my mom would come in from their bit and granny Rosie and her would sit do the crossword and bicker about the clues. And criticize one another's driving. Class was both. So there was really no no fly zone so I would say close to home those my sisters are very inspired by my sisters. And obviously then there were lots of people I've worked with. Other writers. And people who are inspired by a lot of it is there jealousy no not from you from them I was fight of rivalry Rather I think the thing that I'm sure there are some we know there are some famous rivalries but dare I say it they are mostly gentlemen you know the famous Norman Mailer those type of chaps they they all famously infused with one another I would say mostly writers of fiction. All we know we're all in it together someone who buys one novel is more like you spy and other normal so although of course when all books come out if your best friend is number one and your number 2 it would be human to tiny. Well you know. I'm good at that sort of. Actually I think mostly right to support one another and I feel also as a woman I feel that women should support other women I feel this very strongly and . It's my experience of being in publishing of as a publisher before I was a writer and from being a prize that women's prize for fiction and as a writer myself my experience is that mostly work to support each other. We're in it for the long game know how hard is it isn't for me join it like I mean your guy but we'll be I mean you Kate Yeah it is time off it's tough and also if you're lucky life is long you know that that's the thing I you know because I've spent a lot of time in the past 10 years particularly and be the carer for my dad supporting my mum doing that and then more recently when you know now. I spent time with people and. They know you know doesn't all have to happen today and that's a very very good lesson to learn because I think when you're younger you feel you know it's all about speech and as you get older and older it's all about Enduring. But it's also you know this doesn't work out but something else will I think yeah that didn't you Antti. Wasn't your auntie instrumental in getting women priests all day yes she worth. She's an enormous She was she's also gone now. An enormous inspiration Margaret Booker and she was one of the women that founded the movement for the ordination of women and she died a couple of years ago and it was very moving to get her ordination she was not they weren't the 1st batter they were the 2nd they were in Chelmsford cathedral and my godmother who died last year at the age of $104.00 was an Anglican nun so I have a lot of that's what I meant by. In a way you sometimes don't know how influential is you know sometimes it's like interview with a woman that influence you know and it's only when you look back you think well actually that was very sick of certain teachers at school yeah you know actually one of the most significant teachers for me at school was my Latin teacher. And she was really not very good at that in but I did it to a level because she was so inspiring and of course now I look back it's because she talked she did history she taught us how the Roman Empire worked I realized she was also really leftwing but I didn't have the language for that at the time but she was talking about democracy and power to the people and all of these things and it wasn't quite you know tooting popular. Well you know but it was so of course that it's all of these things and you don't it's great if you live long enough to acknowledge your debt to these people because you don't realize it much at the time you just think you know what great teaching someone shared That's the joy of it and I would. Have it. There any historical fiction whips of inspired you well I think obviously because I paddle about in the past most of the time there are a lot of women that I admire enormously and I think the biggest thing for me as a writer for historical fiction is realizing how very partial history is how women . Are often completely left out of history unless they are a queen or a mistress or a duchess and how there is no common sense so the period of time I'm writing about in my new quartet the planning chambers 16th century series will go through to the 19th century. You would be forgiven for thinking there were no women at all except for Katherine to meet each in Elizabeth the 1st and of course Mary Queen of Scots bless her. But of course the men had been away at war for an entire generation so who do you think was opening the shops who'd think it was running everything we now see are going to pronunciations right but mean and mean in a frank you that's right so the thing is that I think one of the things that it's taught me is that you have to really think about who is writing the history so that old cliche about history is written by the victors is a cliche but it's true but also you have to ask yourself What was the agenda about that and I think it's particularly important at the moment where we see a lot of the more. Repressive forces using the past to justify their behavior but often they are using false history to do so so for me for example Catherine Domenici her rep is terrible in the same way Cleopatra's rep is terrible. And then you realise who who's writing that for men who do not believe that they should have any power to all men who are pursuing a different agenda from the agenda they were pursuing and then you start to realise that the only Barkley's you have are written by people and me. So the minute you do that you go oh hang on a 2nd so do I think Catherine is. A lovely person who want to sit down and have a glass one would probably do I think that actually she was the mother of many children a lot of whom died trying to protect her son's legacy with these things yes I do so there are many historical figures for me like that. And I think you know another one would be an example an English example would be better politic who was an extraordinary woman who lived in the same period of history she has a terrible reputation for being repaid for being greedy for being you know. Things I won't say on the radio you know my man but I might make. Those sorts of things filth filth but then then you realize you look and it was all to do with her divorcing her 4th husband he was having many many affairs on her money and. He was trying to blacken her for the court case simple as that it's so simple and yet propaganda we don't know and I just DON'T YOU KNOW WE ARE WE GET IT NOW YEAH we forget that happened then you don't so clear path for the sake we know all of these things so I think always what I say to people is when you're looking at women in the past look at who was writing a biography and try and make your own judgment did you see the stuff recently in the news about the I can't remember the name of the painter the artist who famously painted pope's And there was the Pope's mistress and she'd managed to get him to take a portrait of her panties she ran everything Yossarian exactly but all she managed to get pitched all the cliches that cliches were. There any musical whips. I. Guess they're all I mean both classical actually and contemporaries so I enormous admirer of the women that get overlooked in classical music so. Verses him Fanny Mendelssohn verses him you know all of these those sorts of people and I think there's a quite a lot of extraordinary conductors who were trying to say you know because people often say well there are no classical. Women who write music and you think there are so it's always about Israel going back to those sources also I in contemporary times there are some really amazing women and I suppose obviously I'd say Chrissie hind because I was growing up at that stage obviously I'd say I mean I was growing up that stage more recently I'd say people like Regina Spektor I think is completely extraordinary. Singer she's already of Oria is an amazing singer but funnily enough for me music is. I'm very stuck in my childhood. I read everything that I can I go to all the theatre I can I'm up to date in those 2 areas of the loves of my life in both contemporary music and classical music I'm kind of stuck. In the sixty's and seventy's and early eighty's which was school and university place we started not a bad place to be stuck a tool and when I'm Because when I'm working I can only work silent whereas I have a lot of friends who can work to music that's a soundtrack for them but as for me the soundtrack is silent so I haven't moved on very far off those words. Again I'm cruising me in your group on the side effect I can have noise as to which song would be chosen for us I I it's a again it's kind of a bit obvious but I think it has to be the Aretha Franklin and sisters are doing it for themselves because I think it's one of those songs that everybody could remember where they were the 1st time they heard it but in the end whatever's going on you walk on your feet it's get on the top it doesn't matter what you look like young or old whatever color your skin is whether you're a man or woman whatever nothing matters with that song everybody's up and old. Thanks. Thanks. You're listening to baby and she's whips on baby Sussex B.B.C. Sorry and this week I'm talking to the author Kate Moss the joy of which is that was to read of an I know it's kind of a it's actually not a joke name because I kind of made it because I think older women in a scene is cougars or well nothing and it seems to be nothing in the middle and I like that it's west still relevant not with an ambitious. Do you find that I mean do you find something in you that still wants to be relevant and visible and I don't think like that at all actually so. I mean one of the key inspirations I should should have mentioned of course is my daughter and and she's in her late twenty's and I have all of my really wonderfully into conversations about what it means to be a woman now and feminism now versus feminism them and all of that is that with my daughter. But I think because I have 2 children and we live relatively close to the center try which meant that a lot of other people's children when our children growing up were in our house and because we have the older generation so I've lived in a multigenerational household for a long time that age just is not how I think about things it's like is this person interesting they could be 18 they could be 88 and so for me those sorts of definitions of what it means to be a woman at this age or not I think I'm lucky that there's always somebody older than me and there's always somebody going to the me I really love that do you see that side of. Your lovely home environment I think. I do a lot locally but I also obviously do a lot nationally and sometimes internationally and I think then in some environments you see that everybody is of a much narrower band but I think with writing Everybody enters equally on the pages of a book and we all love books those of us who do and when I do or book event I could have somebody in the audience who's in their twenty's and somebody who's in their seventy's so I think possibly when you do that sort of thing that I do and I'm not in. Therefore I'm in shifting environment in terms of age all of the time you know a supporter because it was it was my father's illness of the Parkinson's he said I do a lot of events for them when I can teach you stories a wonderfully long living place to live. But I'm also a visiting professor at the University of churches so I think I spent maybe more than a lot of people have a lot of different ages in my life all of the time. What I do notice though in terms of women being older is that I always have older characters in my books quite deliberately so and in the plays that I both adapt to my own work but a big play that I'm working on at the moment it is absolutely essential I think it's my responsibility to write problems for older women because within the theatre there is absolutely the lead girl might be a teenager but the lead boy is 30 so what's that about so what then happens when you're no longer the lead girl and but you're not yet old enough to be somebodies mom because again it's back to what I was saying about historical fiction and the common sense women of all ages are everywhere but sometimes when you look at the screen and sometimes that you'd be forgiven so for me as a playwright even more than as a novelist I think it's my responsibility to put all of us. Back visible because I do think that it's the popular culture vanishes some of us even though we know it's not true and we know who are buying the tickets theatre we know who are buying the novels we know who's going through. And I'm sure that there is an issue in music that you know the love of youth is quite understandable and I think it's really important support young new voices but I also think it's important to support middle aged voices and the differences I would say between my generation and my mom's generation and I I suspect will be different again for my daughter's generation is that middle age goes to $65.00 now whereas it was very clear when you watch the ads of the sixty's and seventy's that the minute people forget people forget that women have to have their husbands signature to buy of washing machine when people say to me they're not feminists you go you don't know what you're saying because that that's actually what it's about just people being equally able to make decisions for themselves so I think our generation of women between 40 and 65 I do think wearing your new generation and that lovely Gloria Steinem coat when somebody said you don't look like 40 inch at this is what 40 looks like and I think we're all saying this is what 6 Yeah yeah and long may that last year and I totally agree when you talk to your daughter. So she's an inspiring she's an influential whip for you is there anyone else coming up your light year these people these these girls who are in safe hands I think. There are many things that are terrible about technology not least of all that it's let Goglia out and it's made the ugly very easy to disseminate but there's also some brilliant things and I think there are a lot of young women who are using their voices with great energy and that is fantastic to see lots of young writers be typically a nonfiction I mean they are they're following in the wake of people like Colorado obviously who has a following in the wake of they are move all. Who is following in the well wake of Andrea Tolkien who is following in the you know wake of the book Why are all of these people but I think in in writing and podcasting and all of those areas we're seeing a whole new liberation of of young women's voices where they are not they don't have to be mediated by anybody else so they're getting their voices out there much earlier and I think that's brilliant. And I also think you know at the other end of the scale. You know there are people doing extraordinary things. Accepting that we are a really aging population people of my age I'm in my late fifty's. We've got a good 30 years possibly of working if we want to. You know if we're lucky enough to be able to make a choice and we don't have a choice but with a start working or not and some people would like to work and they're not given the choice either but I think that that's also quite interesting and I I love the women that are campaigning for all the voices on the television so I think we've got we've got a lot of women. Always been that knew we knew we were there but we didn't but we know now that we knew I mean you know now the power of it which I think is so exciting I've never been as ambitious you know and I think there is a wonderful thing. There's a moment at which that however much you however brilliantly you've been brought up and I was brought up really well by 2 parents who loved me and gave me the confidence believe I could do anything I could I don't think any girls and women are immune to the pressures if you're supposed to look like this you're supposed to dress like that I think you everybody has to work hard to not be poisoned by that and I think the one of the failures of feminism Sadly I think is that rather than getting rid of that for girls and women boys and men feel the same so I think that it's spread right so I think Wouldn't it be great if feminism could have liberated everybody from that but I ironically I think it's it hasn't. But I think that what does happen is you get older. If you have children in particular if you want them and you're lucky enough to have them is that there comes a moment when you suddenly think oh you know I look like this I can look like a good. Or slightly one row professional but in the end I look like and that is such a relief because even if you think you haven't been influenced by those things so what you know I got to that I suddenly realize yeah so I'm a small you know. Energetic person I'm never going to be 6 foot tall outdrawn draw you know you know have lovely long black you know none of these things are going to happen actually did I ever really want them to happen no you want to be the version of yourself and I think that that is a lovely things so you start to enjoy the more the way that you dress and the things you do because you know we're dressed quite simply where we're comfortable in what we're doing we like how we look it's great to get to that stage where you like how you look. And also I think that this is going to sound a really old lady thing but I think it's true and I say this partly having been a carer for for this period of time is. You take your health for granted. Unless something terrible happens as you get older and things happen to people and . It's where out at a. Again you realize how much time you're encouraged to waste worrying what you look like rather than thinking Am I healthy and then you start were like God it's really lucky to be healthy it's not you know you realize that you're being sold a different lie if only you eat properly you don't smoke you don't drink too much do all of these things then all will be well it's not true so once you accept that that actually just be really grateful but actually you don't have this or you don't have that or whatever that I think a lot of the things that you realize occupied your time when you're younger go away which is why you know your whips thing I think it is a lot of my girlfriends are having the time of their life and I know because it's just like me. And I am not I would not go to if I had a spot and go to a wedding yet I mean I wouldn't go out I would leave the house if well it's a little ways of going to you know what I could put up a state what I do don't care what the people think that's a bit lame because it's your choice one of the things my daughter once said to me. Which was a lovely lovely lovely thing she said Oh I love all the frames on your hand because they're just like Granny barbers used to be and I thought that's true got really similar hands because we're quite thin got veiny hands and it's that it's that idea that your skin and your face in all of these things is a map of your life and that's lovely not horrible but I think having said all of this I think. I think girls and young women who are very beautiful and for whom their looks are all part of their definition I do think ageing is harder I think those of us who were always just north of ageing is OK because in fact you look better now than you did when you were you know slightly uncomfortable and slightly supported you know I think there is a great benefit to not be attractive one. At school. Tell me thank you for doing this honest I'm voting for you if you're standing on our just voting for excellence . Is. What you've got coming up so you'll write your adapting another novel and play adapting a novel as a play and that will be announced next year's Open to really turn our lives I'm afraid but it will be great and I've really enjoyed doing that because it's been like being a new writer doing some I'm never adapted any of my own work before so it's been a real challenge actually but enormously rewarding I'm writing the 2nd one of my burning chambers Quartet which is called The City of tears and it's set a little bit in Paris and mostly in Amsterdam and I've just come don't tell me anything I'm not going to tell you anything because it's the thing that's been really difficult is being on top for foreign translations and American publication of the burning chambers and people telling me characters that they love me thinking just kill them. In trying not to tell they let the cat out the right. And I've got 4 of those so obviously that's quite a lot I am I said a nonfiction book which won't come out till 2021. Which is partly about my experiences of being a carer because it is the enormous E.S.U. Of our time and it's particularly an issue for women there are many beautiful and wonderful sons and husbands and fathers who are involved in caring too of course there are but actually 90 percent of paid carers are women and the people taking the majority of responsibility for caring for older generation. Are women and it is a really interesting wonderful consequence to people living longer but it also brings its own challenges and I felt that maybe as a working person who works full time. That maybe I had some stuff to share of that that I would quite. Joy and also. Grief from my parents I miss them very much and I think it's quite a good way. To put it is quite a good place to put that I think. That and and that kind of think. Of the 25th anniversary of the Women's prize for fiction on one of the founders of that and that's next year so we're just thinking about how to honor and celebrate all of those women. And you know otherwise it's mixing you know being home to mix. Which is my primary response on a daily basis. Thank you so much thank you. Robin. want to. Relive. You. Know you it's me. Oh you. Oh. So we are in the car park outside Chichester Festival Theatre Yes I just finished speaking to Kate Moss Yes I feel giddy How was it for you I loved her quite timid I did like what did you love about because she's really honest and really. This is going to somebody. I think a lot women have a real issue with that age and this is where the whole whips thing is about and she just seemed to see nothing but positive in it and I found her quite inspiring What's the one anecdote you're going to be telling your friends in the pub about Kate Moss is synonymous. Where I didn't have to post site so what's Naomi Campbell really like. Something that was maybe quite appropriate for the conversation. For. Again is about me because in a way producer Richard. Is how I pretended that I'm a writer as well and I compared my working environment to hers I mean they are very similar she taught from about her house in France like I could sort of picture her sitting there writing her tens of thousands of words. The last thing I wrote was a check and before that I think 3 probably would winning 2 ways you know she sold 8000000 copies of her books for she different countries 38 different languages I didn't know there were 40 countries and also I'm reading her book at the moment and it's brilliant and it's very interesting and with surreal to be sitting in front of someone who's created a piece of art that your rethought really enjoying at that time I love that she's really interested she's reading spying and full of life and great shoes white jeans you did really well if you will not stating anything. Back for relief. Or do you think of her I thought she was really lively she felt very honest I think she talked about some things in a very matter of fact way which I think actually made it more emotional in a funny sort of juxtaposition she was she was very. Almost throwaway in terms of your caring for the previous generation which. I think I did you know hadn't really sort of thought of the perspective before of being older I'm having to care for an older generation again but as long as we were just signing for you put that in my face. That could be a lot like in a series of Sandwich Generation people with or without kids but definitely probably with the parents they have took off and that's just a whole new. Topic of the world. Aspect you know what's going on and by now when I'm 5. And that was our 1st with Kate Moss and Next week join us at the same time when we'll be chatting to both casting legend Joe I think it was. Down to. You gentlemen to. Join you. On F.M. Online D.A.B. Digital radio and smart speak up this is B.B.C. So 6 AM B.B.C. Sorry. B.B.C. 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