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This is all for now I'm far from Dalton and a buyer coming up in this the program in a moment will get the latest from Hong Kong where the a pro-democracy demonstrations haven't gone away but last week's attack by gangs of hooligans on them is still very much troubling people's minds will also be hearing about the situation in New Zealand where a web Zene the spin off features an interview with amongst other people some of the top ranking people over in New Zealand more than just a motor and a Colombian cyclist is said to make history when he peddles down the show's elite later on today because he has won the Tour the strongest and he's the youngest person ever to have won the Tour de France Rangers' enough for what the week's news from Chile where most of the things they considering are looking to Britain to see how we undo terrorism today with their own terrorist issues their 1st their last Sunday in Hong Kong pro-democracy demonstrators and commuters were attacked by mobs of men at you in long station near the border with mainland China on Saturday the police who were according to some conspicuous by their absence last week fired tear gas and rubber bullets at an oath the north arise protests in the same area the journalist Ryan was injured at U.N. Long last week as he tried to help people caught up and he joins me live now Ryan appreciate your time tell me what Jay what do you think from your perspective what do you think actually happened last Sunday at U.N. Long and why were the police that interesting. Well last week AIDS was well I have to credit 5 that I'm the generalist anymore or I'm a businessman now I was a ball much of the rest so on the Sunday I was I was watching the live on on on my phone at home and I saw people at Tech by those stocks and. Policeman did not show up so I heard people asking for a house because they had trapped in the station so I drove to use all I try to stay some of them and drove them home I eventually drove 3 of them home and then I rushed back to the city and during that period many. As reported dead more than 24000 coal fall and Megyn see it fall policeman to about that tack in station but as I. I saw it the policeman the riot. And then they they've gone they just disappear off. The show up and then the gang the gangs to back in the station to attack people which is a surprisingly coincident in that moment and to many people accused at the policeman have kind of. A consensus with that thanks to the gang Stet they are they going to attack people without any police instead I and then they will go. Evacuated before the police come back this is what I think the end actually many of the homegrown citizen witness on on the last day. Do you believe that the police were working together with the people you describe is the gangstas. I have. Well as a former journalist I don't that is the accusation but as on my own off the facia and there are many as I did in the public showing. Policemen talking with those gangster we have weapons on the hands and the day. That the attitude to. To to those F.H. Citizens I have a strong sense that they working with the skank with the banks to and. For example that there was a deal crypt yesterday when the policeman in Washington to you to. To control the protests in your long term they when they passed through the village they add things to with weapons on their hands sharing with a policeman OK they just bought the home people watching the weapons that you talk of last week the videos we've seen. With these people using huge sticks to beat people with yeah and Senshi these been huge stings how much damage how much injury was suffered by people whose result of these beatings. There were more than 40 our citizens who were injured some in critical condition and I think their injuries. Was much more than 40 because many of us including myself have that this believe in the police system so we go to private hospital or clinic will help. Pick myself up at 6 AM I was I I was have initiated our initial treatment on the ambulance but I call my friend in the. Hospital and then I drove myself to the. Hospital because I believe if I'm going to the public hospital the policeman will come up and cost him probably to what's going to happen now run if you and the brand new democracy demonstrate is lost faith in the police to protect you and you're in thin gangsters with weapons who are attacking Unocal says not even talk about where this all started you you are facing. You know your in real opposition to the Chinese government in Beijing as well it seems that all the forces are against anybody who is a pro democracy demonstrator what will happen now. Well I I think we really must we must be very clear that this demonstration he's not about. Is not about and keep making a whole lot to we want to overthrow any solitudes demonstration was. To. Call the government to listen to the people for some simple request OK to. Have an independent investigation all. The action all the police and the government and Coca-Cola stroll the expedition all understand understand route or do you honestly think you're going to win this battle when you've got the police again you've got Ogunnaike crime against you you call the Chinese government again as you go along Kongs other things minister against you how are you going to win the demons we don't have the confidence to win over anything. Like. I've talked to many staying young state they show that you express their sympathy to the my injury I we all talk and people I T. Is asking where are we going. Was is the government doing we don't have a coup but we don't want to just like suppressed by violence by by by the. By those. Action by the government because it's not Hong Kong we talk about our system we talk about. Our one country 2 systems we talk about. They just native tongue so we have. A long history in. Basic human rights and and. Democracy although is that restrictive democracy but we have. Kind of democracy in Hong Kong and we are losing it we are not asking for more we rented trying to protect what we have already which is losing so we don't know where we are going we don't know what we have we may know what we have to think but everyone everyone. In the city. Just doing what they can do. To try their best. Run Hong Kong with. Soaring understand Don't be sore it's old and thank you very much businessman run. Jane Chambers has these stories making the news in Chile and I began by asking her after less a bomb was sent to a police station in Chile has had much experience of terror threats the latest ones being called a terrorist attack I mean it isn't terrorism what you would think been in the U.K. But they have had you know they've had the letter bomb they've had bombs bus stop they've had I think a bomb in the metro and things sent to people's houses so from that point they have had what they would describe as terrorism and would this be. Do you describe it is domestic terrorism if you learn yes they do I mean what's strange about the latest one is no one has come forward to say that they were responsible said they're not serious we really minutes crying about but they definitely think it's domestic rather than people coming in from outside who are the usual suspects that when they detect like this or bomb in Chile it doesn't seem to have some of the kind of insurgency groups elsewhere in South America that we're familiar with who is opposing the state. Well there are a number of grapes that come up I mean one of the people at the groups they're talking that at the moment are eco terrorists people who just want to destabilize the government or who are angry with the police Chile is hosting the climate change talks at the end of the year so they're thinking it might be linked to that they're also there's just groups of and a case that is known as Anika see basically we want to destabilize things and I think there was a there was a famous Chile in one he was arrested in Spain for that so that's another group that people look at and occasionally they look at a map which is as well the indigenous people here who they say very angry with the government a lot of them because they feel that they're not represented well enough and then mistreated so that another great comes up as well what's the real in Chile when there is a bomb was not in a public sprays How do people food due to the sense of security Well they feel shocked and surprised I mean this latest one that was a packet that was sent to us police station and 8 police were actually hurt so they were injured so there's a lot of anger about that and also the backlash lots of Postman people careers and now saying that they're scared about handling packages so that something else is coming out but also there's a kind of irony how well is Chile able to cope with these things I mean they keep talking about intelligence services in places like the United Kingdom and how much more advanced they are and how they need to start learning and be more good big challenge and getting better at it if these kind of things are going to happen more often it's a huge country though to try and police in this respect chemical hope with any sustained attack on straight. It is very difficult like you said it's a very very long skinny country and it is hard to know I mean I think that they have good resources here and they're going to have to start pumping them into their intelligence service but it's a very big huge country and it's difficult to know having said that you know there are only a few big cities so even though it is very long as a pace they would be concentrating in those big cities on another matter. Most for anybody who likes wine is to Chilean wine and it's one of the great exports of the country was the one so good. It's amazing the wine here and I'm a real calm that one of the reasons it's so good is because at the climate we have this long long line you have very cold nights and hot days which is great conditions for wine growing. Increasingly they're kind of looking at different places where they can grow that wine but it is a lot to do with the climate and been so near the coast and I measure there is a lot of push from the government to sustain this industry. Definitely I mean it's very much seen as a kind of big Chilean export and Chile is well known for its wine and they've recently had a big competition which is called the capital or where they look at different wines from that region so all a there South America particularly Chile and Argentina Bolivia Peru and as usual Chile did extremely well and they they get people from all over the world to come and taste these wines interestingly I think some good honesty people he's very well known in the U.K. And likes Chilean wine and it did very well this year and particularly there's this need there's this new category called ancestral wines and I was talking to the executive director of the wine Awards and they got a door wine awards. He was explaining to me a bit more about what this kind of wine and. Grow worse and his sister was came from their colony and the role that came with this pan each day and not in knowledge is there not way makers they just make wise like the learn from their father and their sister or family is so far and they grow and so. These which are very old 200 years all in before she looks around arrive now and they are didn't you. Say because because they don't not in google the need to find them and they make wise incredible identity in with very natural in there are a lot of them out there around 5000 growers. And there's a thought of the vineyards most in the north of that country. That mostly in the Central Valley which is around Santiago but because of climate change because things are getting hotter and hotter then looking for new areas so I was hearing from babbler that they move right down south to sort of know which is got the volcano and it's much much much colder but they're also going up north but OTOH much higher altitude and what's interesting about these ancestral winds is they actually came a bow with the Spanish with the Jesuits and they were used initially with math and when they're talking about for the that's that massive disease that wiped out lots of different varieties that aren't around anymore in France but actually survived in Chile so that's another reason such a great place for wine people come over and discover all these varieties that they feel will have been wiped out to actually still exist here and these you know these are old old families who don't have much technology they don't put them in the wooden barrels they have their own way of doing it but it's become very very trendy exporting a lot of what was just considered you know a table wine nothing special a tool which is called the Pena and people in the United States they love it it's the prices kind of rocketed and they're saying that these are as he says these luxury wines that were for years were overlooked but now are really becoming very very popular How do Chileans during the one. It's interesting as this historical thing Chile the richer people for a long time really like the French wine and poor people would just drink lots of poor kind of cheap and not very good wine and this whole kind of middle class which are much more interested in wind the east to drink wine before and want to know more about it I mean that's a big push for it to become more kind of Mediterranean having your wine at lunch but in the past it's been they say you know the poor people just getting drunk on wine and drinking lots of there and then the rich people wanting more French wine but that that's changing now and there's a big push for people to get to know all these different varieties the French of a drink their wine with everything and and the children get to have their 1st taste of wine naturally of the age of well whatever is in front no no not at all I mean they're interesting Lee It's a big export and actually Babel is saying that a lot of Tippins have got to know about Chilean wine because they go abroad and people say to them Are you from Chile the wind there is great and they've just been drinking beer and biscuit it's the drink that people drink here that they really like which is a bit like grappa very very strong so no they they they are beginning to change their habits but it's something they've learnt from going abroad or as you were saying before that the government kind of pushing people to know more about wine because it is such good quality here and which is the bigger industry bro imagine it's copper mines for Gibby rather than one use MS a story that about how the copper mines from the military absolutely yes chickie is a massive exporter of copper particularly to China and for years now there have been having to pay the government 10 percent of all their profits and that has been funding the military and it started in the 1950 S. But it was actually much stronger during general going to chase a minute she did. In the seventy's and eighty's and governments have been really pushing to get that change they don't think it's fair they think the military should be funded by other means and it's making it hard for them if wants to do deals with people abroad because they see it as funding the military and they don't like that so finally this law or people said no we want to change it also it's hard because even though 80 does have all this cop at the copper prices are going up and down they've been going down a lot they've been losing lots of money they need to do not simply investments and having to pay all this money to the government is stopping them so it's going to be phased out in the next 10 years and they're going to find a different way to fund the military could go was the state owned compromise INS state and why why do they have a problem with funding the military if the state oh no I get the point you make about. The importers from Ellsworth thinking well there's a connection but that connection is there where the when you open the from the mill Journal. Now has an interesting question you wouldn't thought they would have a problem but I think it's seen as very very unpopular the link between copper and funding the military that's also this business with the copper prices fluctuating so much that they should choose a kind of safer and more steady means of funding the military and for the public it's a very unpopular thing as well what why should Copper be funding this and also a lot of people often say Well they've made all this money stating this you say they should be using it for other things I mean a lot of people feel that money should go to education or should simply be put into other things that people would rather they spend their money on sure the cover is one of the industries Chile is a robust strong economy in South America and that's partly why it is the new frontier as we've discussed in past conversations Jane the new frontier of the migration certainly invalid part of the world with people wanting to come to Chile and live a better life. Absolutely I mean yes as you say if we discussed in the past last time I suspect she there were. Waiting at the border to be able to be let into Chile can say change the laws a lot of them now have actually managed to get into Chile but because that's a law that if they have members of that family that kind of special measures that will let them in say they come down but the protests a big problem at the moment as well because of drugs there are a lot of drugs coming across the borders from Peru and Bolivia and interesting me thinking about the military and what how it's been funded by Codelco and all this money going into it a lot of people him they don't really do enough they're just kind of you know very well paid and they have all this technology and equipment and what's it used for so recently the president Sebastian Pinera has said well we've got all these problems up north on the border with you know illegal immigrants kind of trying to get in and drug dealers getting in so he's saying well the minute she she go up there and help the police to patrol the borders which people think is the greater problem the drug traffickers trying to get in or the or the migrants trying to get a. Question. I think they would say the drug traffickers I mean they can be quite racist here in Chile so they might tell you as well that some of the migrants trying to get in might very well be drug traffickers they have kind of countries that their kin your own people coming from the other so it's a kind of a kind of mixed together interestingly there are drugs coming over from Europe at the moment there's a lot I mean you've got the traditional you know cocaine coming in from Peru and Bolivia but there's a big problem with ecstasy pills coming in and that been seized a lot at the airport from European countries so that's another issue really that the army to the Apple Yes there are. Of drug users. Absolutely yes I mean I don't know if it's any worse than other countries but you've definitely got a problem with drug he says and as I say a recent trend seems to be lots of ecstasy pills coming in from Europe and they caught ones coming in from Holland I think there one call coming in actually from the U.K. The other day as well and there are lots of kind of ingenious ways to get things over I mean up in the borders with the Libyan pretty people pretending that they're bringing a sports equipment so I don't know and things like that and then the slippers the dogs get out and find it's all together completely different and actually they're just hiding lots of cocaine so it's quite a thing at the moment I don't know if you saw the guy the other day with the lucky kilos of cocaine in an underused. It was pretty obvious to most people but he was arrested and is maybe you know. The drugs are coming one way from the west to the east of the Atlantic. Yes now I mean they seem to be coming in different areas that the moment they don't they're just trying to get their heads around the head through and worry that terrorists get their heads around immigrants coming lots of things going on in a moment but they caught wind right Jane chambers in Santiago let's go as far as Matthew Axel from digital B.B.C. Senseless street. This is B.B.C. 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When it was through yesterday however through. North Wales north west England the Isle of Man so. To Northern Ireland here will see. Rain through the day after. The ticket to the southwest of. Course north at this stage driver some sunshine at times during the day but elsewhere to dominate and it's a risk of some minor flooding as the. Temperatures in the West the spots around 16 or 17. You could get up to around 20 degrees. North east England and the rest of Scotland away from the southwest start the day dry the. Shifting clear but many will see some sunny. Wanted to have the shows and thunderstorms bring up because Maine and Scotland both EASTLEY breeze warmest of all will be the highlights 25 elsewhere 20 to 23 degrees the high life weather 5. Digits. This is last week this is B.B.C. Radio. Colombian cyclists he said to make history when he prattles down the songs and he's a later today 22 year old now is poised to become the youngest winner of the Tour de France in a recenter he had of Sunday's final stage to Paris but all's in U.S. Team a guarantor missed last year's Tour win allies in 2nd has joined the team of 5 wives be spoke part cause I'm a brother to describe the action in the closing moments of stage 20 company Police said many great wins in his career if he hangs on here this will be right up there among the state's victories it's 9 percent the gradient he looks anxiously behind to see if the yellow cue Jersey group are chasing him home I don't think they're going to catch him now he knows difficulty is pretty much in the back the hands are up the pass they go into the air he's got the strength to lift his arms into the air just the power to change so deeply takes the stage victory another hunter over day the world champion comes over the line it's 2nd place 9 seconds behind then MCALLISTER I think comes in behind him and here comes a can burn our hand in hand with care i told us 1st and 2nd in this year's top of frogs last year's champion House over the baton to the new champion Eric Cantor now the 1st man from Columbia ever to win the Tour de France the 3rd youngest winner the Tour de France has ever see this is the spoils It's all do for us. Although we are the quickest route to Paris as long as we pick up Jeremy with long the way we are there 2357 today or tomorrow. Yeah there's a long way to go welcome to spoke thank you very much for join. 5 bespoke on the final leg of the 2019 told of France once again coming off a mountain once again Rob Hayles is behind the wheel Simon Brotherton of the backseats got a 3 so when alongside Rob is the navigator just to confirm Rob you haven't driven all the way through the tour you do just take responsibility come the high mountain stages your you are our mountain goat I think I've done my fair share but to be fair I think it's been a team effort but. As always I don't want to win that down it's so the tour is over to all intents and purposes and we know Simon by the turn who's won the yellow jersey yesterday I could say that we needed some sense of clarity but before that it's been a top of so many questions and now we have some answers and we've ended up with the winner that most of us thought we were going to have when we set off from England at the end of last month most people felt that again but the outstanding favorite given his current form ultimately so it's proved that yeah you're quite right we have had so many twists and turns and unpredictable moments to this Tour de France both in terms of the way riders have written and also the way the weather is turned out towards the end but at the end of it all after over 3000 kilometers of racing we have ended up with brakes that are still working which is good as we had to come to a whole pretty rapidly there and also we've ended up with a worthy winner of this year's tour and what a story the youngest rider in the whole race wins it 22 I think we just should negotiate this. Junction here because there is a parked comp of facing the wrong direction blocking everybody OK we through that means we can get off. There were question marks as to whether or not the race would be on at one point today we were told that the race the stage could be off yesterday was yesterday's was a bomb and we were preparing to pack up our kit and get off shopping we were and now we're. Quite incredible earlier this morning before the start it was absolutely freezing cold it was around about annoying to 11 degrees but with the wind chill and the writing that we had it was absolutely atrocious and so yeah it was fingers crossed as to whether the stage would actually happen or not Fortunately the shortened stage that was it was organize from last night it did happen at its worst the amount of water that was falling from the sky was something else because the the door to the box wasn't keeping it out so it was poor and as though it was a water feature. It would tense there as well people been camping out overnight then the tents we were worried what there was a danger is going to be washed right down because there was a river of rain water passing buses on the car and the commentary position. You went out for a quick relief for 5 minutes he came back you looked like if you do you know he looked like that boy Eugene and out of Felipe gave the jersey to a couple of days ago the shivering I was it I was in a bad. Thing was I difference between that and a deep sea troll and well. I brought my coat because I was expecting right but my jumper that was left in the car and there was no way I was going to go any further than I had already done to actually go and retrieve that but what I did like about you is the sign of a true sportsman a troop of fresh professional who takes care of himself. you knew you said right i'm go back the ca some a like myself was maybe little bit more reckless little bit more of a mob brick i would've said norm fine until the the till the 2nd i actually posho pass out from he digs of the opposite of he ticks also you know he tell you want to ensure its anyway aren't you say you clearly not too fussed about the with a tradition team play the travel is by the tamad to go the k. That the writing that stalled at that ate it and most got to the car of a the crew it croatian fonz i mean the fall i'm still a party atmosphere from all over the world coming off this mountain i plenty of british but support as it we see welts dragons everywhere we go there's a sign same farm club afraid though that's a ref was a your unafraid bill on where we get to discuss in the g.c. You're one afraid o. As one special awards this he will see one rob you're on the friday here is the lung turn rw i want does not mean loss man in the rice last men on general classification we want he's a strange way to describe it there was an a in a way it's yeah it's spa it's by no means something to be it what it factor over the years it's been something who is highly highly salt off the so there was a competition in previous he is too when the alarm to new ruse to be the man who'd be lost in the general classification the g c thoughts sort of fallen by the way side i think out of watt embarrassment on behalf of the organize wall it will know i think the the issue was that i actually people were traub we're putting their brakes on and try actually shook the those how it's so so they was a little made of a bowel they i think the last through roy does this year were within a couple of minutes so yeah i mean you you could have guards out there stood out then i was long as you finish in its on than the obviously but yeah no no fisher toward these days ok less to some housekeeping then lesko the g c quick people touch upon it the general classification the energy has he pottle one by the young colombian a company not surprising in the end get i'm told less 2nd one minute 11 seconds dowd stephen krauss for 131 that completes the podium in mine or Bush did so well the young German at 156 and then Julian elephant who melted away eventually 3 minutes 45 seconds not many people would have predicted that he would finish in the top 5 but he couldn't hold on to the Jersey eventually the top 5 on the stage was won by even chains a new believe a bit of retro memories for us it was quite nice that the grand stage was won by a grand old Simon but that yes he's one of the great writers of the modern era of in chains only be one of the few to win all 3 of the grand tools of France Italy and Spain winning the Tour de France in 2014 so yeah I think it was fitting that need believe got a big stage victory on the day when a new champion it was effectively crowned because obviously Burnell has to stay upright finish in Paris tomorrow but you know he set fair to win the Tour de France now we're not expecting any changes to the overall situation but love the ride from the belief today got in the break straight away in the end got rid of 4 breakaway companions hung on to win alone I think the finishing line came at just the right time for him if I'm honest Had it been another 500 metres or so I think he would have been beaten a 130 the world champion finishing 2nd on the day but yeah good stage winner in need and I think we've ended up with the right podium as well because again banal is a worthy winner of the Tour de France right Thomas performed superbly and deserves to be the runner up and Steven cross makes team mate the running on this decisive final out point day so they had a little bit more in terms of animating the stage and a little bit more power so they got the better of Emmanuel Bookman and Burra hands go and. Hit resistance finally broken great tour and he finishes in the top 5 but down from 2nd to 5th I agree with you with one exception SIMON And that's because what happens in the top of France is that time moves on so quickly yesterday feels like a distant memory doesn't it. Just over the show you going to say and I'd forgotten them last year but you did but you don't do yeah people Pino has just gone he's fallen by the wayside he's the man that on the meat of the race throughout all of those who are in the race you know yeah of course and anyone who can deal with but Peano did so much I think it was right to know we had way Rob that Allah Felipe eventually faded because deep down or not many people would say it it just restored our faith in cycling that well in the most unpredictable races sometimes you need an element of predictability then there's comfort in your own knowledge then yeah I think there was there was a lot of speculation and talk wasn't a on how long our fleet would actually hold on he'd never been in a position like this before he's performed in the mountains he won the King in the mountains lost he won 2 stages but never as a consistent right he was he was winning those stages off the back of actually having days where he was losing time and conserving energy and so we were Whiting was it going to be the Peyronie's know the forty's why and he held on there and then in the Alps finally just the fatigue got to him and and go to have made as well they took the race to him to die young VI took the rights to everybody trying to to get rid of all of fleet just to keep their man or get their man finally stuff and cry speak up on the podium position. Was this a bit of a flat shot this final stage I thought it was absolutely because because of the result of the study. You're always amounted to some additional guarantee that your agent Let's see who is hello. Speaking you out on loudspeaker I'm not sure you know unloads speak just for reference we are in the middle of recording a podcast so you come in life through the speakers so just be mindful of that OK. For me right for you but. You won't hear. Any. Questioning if we can get another round from what. We've got awfully. The issue is that I've been commentating all afternoon on what are called in the post podcast as we speak and I'm in the process of coming off the mountain then we have to drive to Leo which is walk through 3 and a half I was I mean I think I think it's quite difficult to do it in the next 2 or 3 I was to be honest I was. Right I'm so he's nothing but on a stage I'm so I'm sorry that I can't help you anymore I mean yeah but when you listen to it download it bespoke and you might hear yourself on the on the program as well. Thanks for joining us. To do so the listeners of a spoke that may come across as the weirdest thing but this is what life is like going to top of France but. I'm not doing that for. Some of us is using the phone as a sop not to run through that through that because I would guess is that is absolutely awful Plus another story with a rental car but that is life in the told France so we I mean it's not like being down the coal mines gent but it's it's hard work isn't it being in demand. Still going down the mountain bespoke. The rental car that's done what was the mileage now was it told. And we've done nearly 400-4000 k's in 3 weeks we start in Paris now we started in Belgium and we're here now things do get emotional because you do start reflecting on the race you do start realizing how big enormous races has been and will have time over the next few days on bespoke we'll be releasing more podcast to really get into the nitty gritty of what we've learnt etc but I was just what was I saying before I was interrupted. Can't remember oh I know I told I told you that I was wondering if that today and yesterday been slightly underwhelming poetry the one considering the where that come and no not at all not for me no no it would have certainly it would have been nice to have obviously yesterday to have had the stage finish up the final climb and today to have had the previous haul off of the of the the stage with the 2 climbs just in the build up to the final but I think I shall remind a rope of the environment that these cyclists are working in and what the Tour de France is really about you know man and machine against the elements and on the odd occasion the elements will come out on top Mother Nature it's a cruel thing that Tang's it is interesting and yeah there are flecks a race that is affected by you mention the on the human nature as well how often is the rest of disrupted by political protest I mean more than often the old idiot it's a Exactly we've had. The protests last year the farmers and then the John dogs spraying the mice which actually backfired and went into the poll it's all it's all part of isn't it I mean as as a track rider over the years one of the one of the big things are used to have to worry about was somebody leaving a window open somewhere in there being a slight draw but you know when you're out in the elements when you're when you're here when you're in the period nice and the Alps obviously things can change and change rapidly as we see now and again just to reiterate we are now bossed in the sun and it suits me it's time for to put the air conditioning on whereas we were truck clambering for the 8 I think I think you've summarized the total fans perfectly is the antipathy of sterile someone Brotherton Yes it's cookie has unexpected twists and turns in every sense and I think what happened yesterday it was a little unfortunate in some respects that we didn't get the finish a teeny. Unfortunate for the people waiting at the finishing line all day didn't get to see any cycling and for some of the riders as well they were a bit disgruntled because they felt they didn't get the opportunity to really show what they could do on that stage but that's just part of it. I think we still had a very good stage today will all be a shortened one so is the $33.00 K. Plus I took a long wait a long time to get up it's taken us quite a while to get down somewhat on the volley is Journey with Will will catch up with him and discuss the champion the man of the moment 22 year old incumbent now. This is this the total profits but I'd like to say Rob Hayles myself joined by Jan We whittle bespoke regular Jeremy a Colombian we know what does that mean to Colombia is huge for them but I'd also say that it's been inevitable for some time a Colombian would eventually win the Tour de France because not to undermine the scale you can but Ailes when I think we've seen Clinton starting getting closer and closer to winning the Tour obscene Arkansas has one juror the Tallinn the world's already so it's a breakthrough moment for Colombian cycling but I think it's also quite fitting that this was this was billed as the highest to France in history so it seems quite fitting that a guy who was born of almost 3000 meters of chewed has won the highest tour in history it's been coming for a while hasn't it's been the next big thing to happen in cycling in in the same way that in footballing terms for a long time now people are saying which African nation will be the 1st one to win the World Cup and the Colombian cycling scenario goes back to the mid to late 1980 S. To Lucero Herrera fabby a pair of that generation of riders and there was thought then that maybe Herrera would be the 1st Colombian to win the tour didn't quite make it they did have Colombians on the podium as you say Jeremy Kitana since then but it's been coming and there's such a lot of 1st 2 wheeled talent in that country and my goodness me they absolutely love cycling there it'll be going mad when they observe that that's the thing the fans when you see. It doesn't matter where you go in the world to a bike race the Colombians are there in force and if anybody's ever seen any footage of the Colombian championships the Road Race Championships there are hundreds of thousands out on the roadside eighty's absolutely bonkers so in that respect it's payback for them as well that's what strikes me on the roads so many Colombian fans I know plenty of Colombia's of emigrated to Europe yet at the same time they travel it's safe for the nation it's massive and we expected perhaps it would be no I don't know possibly. Both I mean that's another thing to say both of those superstars back absolutely I mean read about Iran of September a close to winning the 2 in 2017 as well pushed Chris Froome quite hard to get. On the podium and it all came down to the final time trying to Marseilles so as as we've all been saying you know that is being has been coming it's not a big surprise nothing standard for the tour started although there was a huge amount of expectation around parents homeless and also equally around but now you know the we really did think did we that this guy's a thorough bred He's a thorough bred plan he can also do everything so the thing about him that he's not in the past they've been kind of pigeonholed as being guys who are great in the mountains quite a high altitude not so good in kind of top team time trials time trial situations cross winds you know couples but he's got he's the full package here he really caught my eye last she told Roman day I was out there commentating and he was amazing he was up there it was a sprint he's technical ability on the bike he's climbing he's positioning in in the peloton is amazing and he was only $21.00 at that point and he's come from a mountain bike background so back that tends to give on bikes skills too many of the riders who come come from that direction but yeah he eased he used the real deal and he's a very special talent you know winning. Told of France 22 does not happen very often he will become if he wins this tour the youngest winner of the race since the war and the 3rd youngest winner all time in the history of the tool Rob 22 writes We're used to Wayne Rooney bursting on the scene at 16 coming from nowhere physically developed but cyclists at 22 do docked with 3 weeks. I mean do you have that rate with that of the writers were $22.00 were right at the front the peloton doing this. He's put in a good shifted here hey all of that laces I think. He knows his bike riding he hasn't signed. On a 5 year deal I thought he's a 5 year contract he hasn't signed that for no reason it's a hasn't played the long term thinking what I can get this guy to win in 345 years he knew that he was the real deal OK He made a little bit of a backpedal midwife through the store saying well you know maybe he's not quite ready we need to take some pressure off and I think he was just looking after him a bit because there was a few good occasions during the middle of his tollway for Izzy has a goatee hasn't tape but obviously when it's really counted him and importantly he's taping have come up they really have any OSS. Were looking like they weren't the strongest team hey I haven't dominated I haven't had a stranglehold on this race as we've seen in the previous But in yesterday's stage when it counted they were 15 minutes or so where it really needed to count and they were pretty much all there all mass riding on the climb guarantee almost made the attack it kind back and then again when but this is the beginning of the next wave isn't it Dave Brailsford he's a bit like So Alex Ferguson I think in that sense he's always looking to the next thing what do we need to do to keep pushing on and find the next went to the next the next Gruntal he went away for a long time didn't need Jeremy to just. Who was in his eyes who was the one rider coming through that he really needed to get his hands on and he's put a bet that it would be egg and burn now he targeted him he's got him and he knows there's going to be a change in the next year or 2 Chris frame is not going to keep going forever in terms of being a grand total winner and neither is gay right Thomas They're into that they're heading there instead mid thirty's now there is going to be a changing of the Guard and this is the start of it but look at Playa playing 3 shots 4 shots ahead and he's always faking constantly or there's a couple of things I suppose which are when we put them on the roster he said. He spent 2 years looking for and then I think you just so you know I found a rough domino interrupt Ahmed really pretty pretty much finished ahead pretty color and pretty shiny and he just went after him in the way the only he can do more than the other team and that with with the money and with the persuasiveness I think as well I mean he's we won I was a great talker and he landed him and he said he was looking for the new Chris Froome that's he's gone you're absolutely right I mean we don't know if Chris Froome is ever going to run of the ground school and Caroline for all you know. He's put in this year you know he's in the twilight years now as well so but the thing about Bernal being so young is also kind of slightly worrying I think because it you know we've seen lots of others come through in the past great you know great talents for youthful talents you know Rick is the obvious one is springs to mind and then fall off fall off the perch Fabian was a very young winner of the tour as well as anyone else he is running Look set got an injury and came back a bit but he didn't have the domination that I thought that he would it's not a given that he's going to turn around and win the next 3456 tolls but it's not about starting point a member of the. 22 year old in his 2nd language got to sit down and speak with a big large Welshman called felt. Like a part of you and you pleasure to read about how I felt after. Yes you would you tell between your legs because I spent time with this. Sort of baby face he looks like he's just come out of school. He's speaking in this 2nd language but what I spent some time with what came across was a very self-assured confident who wouldn't to anybody this is a guy I was. Close. To. When he was. Because my. When he was younger I started to. Put him. In. This and I said to him I said. What was your 1st bike. I do not think about the future and you know just to dilute the moment who's your hero. I think. When you were a kid you didn't have you go I want to be him. Don't think so then remember them so that's interesting so you just wanted to be a guy from day one Yeah I think so of. Watching the T.V. And you see that maybe some guy he's swinging you see. He says he's strong you know you can. Say he's out with a guy with. A I say I think. You want to do me like you know I defer to. You to Be Me It's You know did you ever think of writing the top of the jersey because you did. 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