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Donald Trump rally in North Carolina as the crowd takes aim at the Somali born Democrat President Trump says he disagrees with the chance against Omar and there are claims of racism though flying on both sides Well let's discuss it with us now in Washington D.C. Is Paris dental he was on Trump's 2020 Advisory Board and in Florida is Pastor and activist Jamal Bryant Hello to you both good evening. Let's start 1st of all with you Jamal what's your reaction to the president's comments the latest comments on this because he says he disagrees with the chads. I think that the president has really busy been doing a tap dance to his base that he has really on earth that is creating a culture of division and racism in America needs to be most Let's put it in his tone and not dodging it and you can't deal with that issue and still not deal head on with the immigration issue on these border states with children in cages both of them are systemic of the same disease of racism that I'm afraid this president carries and you've compared Florida in 2019 to Alabama in the 1950 S. Why it's not exactly in the 1950 S. And Alabama and in North Carolina there were billboards signs that were paid for by the Klu Klux Klan that said if you don't like it then go back to where you came from there's a whole busy lot of black and white stock footage of African-Americans trying to integrate with they were met with jeers and signs that said go back home as if America is not a nation of immigrants and so this is almost. The remakes of Michael J. Fox's back to the future that once we thought that we were making some progress and it looks like we're making Aleck tricks lie backwards away from really being a place of liberty and justice for all Paris you you'd like the president trying to be reelected in 2020 How can you defend these sorts of chads. I think the president's remarks for themselves he was he did not agree with them and I think that at the end of the day the president understands that there is a frustration growing in the country there are a lot of people who are frustrated with the fact that you have United States Congress persons who are off time saying things are anti-Semitic that are anti-American that are anti freak free enterprise or anti-capitalism you have them calling the speaker of the house a racist you have them searching that the ICE agents are there all the Border Patrol agents that are near the border patrol agents who happen to be minorities Autum or Hispanic I notice I am from Arizona calling associated them with Nazi Germany saying that they're building concentration camps as quoting them to naziism I mean these are people men and women who are giving their lives you know which are minorities and so I think that the president was right to highlight the horrible things that they have said about this country and about the American. System that they claim to be so horrible and the question the philosophical question he raised was if you don't like America at America it's so bad if you are America what's that you're benefiting from greatly because only in America could the 4 of them become United States Congress persons but if it's so bad then go to the socialist cunt trees like minuscule that you think are the model of freedom and democracy they're not and the reason why they're still here is because they know that they are benefiting from President from an inclusive economy an economy that is reaping great results from an economic level for African-Americans Hispanics Americans Asian Americans including disabled Americans with historic lows and unemployment so I think the president was right to articulate some of the things that these members of Congress have said at the rally last night and yet center back is so loaded such a horrible thing to say another people have come out and said they've heard it said to them and they know when they see racism this is racism placing the isnt it. It actually looked at its campaign rhetoric and I thought I think this campaign rhetoric and 2016 they chant to lock her up talking about Secretary Hillary Clinton and the crimes that she committed crimes that if I had committed I would be in jail but guess what Secretary Clinton is still living free and I think it anybody believes that any of the 4 members of the so-called squad are going to be somehow to report it it's not going to happen it's campaign rhetoric and it's not racist and the president isn't racist and I think anybody who uses this term sold so freely it cheapens the fact that there is real racism the real discrimination that's happening in this country and when they are accusing both Speaker Pelosi and the president of states being a race at the same time they have 0 credibility to talk about this issue Jamal what do you think about what we can do potentially going forward from there Steve this is the start of a particularly vicious presidential campaign. A radio commentator said earlier today that racism is so American that when you talk about racism people assume that you are attacking America James Baldwin said you can't fix it until you face it and so for those legislators to raise what are the issues and the problems that are in this country it doesn't make them anti-American it makes them pro-American that they see what is the possibility in the promise of this nation and want to see it rise up to that call in a real they are doing because of the lifting to make it happen and not stick their heads in the science I think that this is the defining moment especially yesterday for the vote to be taken and it came out that they agreed in Congress that President Trump streets were completely out of order and were divisive to the nation and needed to be objectionable and so I'm appreciative for the strides that we're making and I'm grateful if nothing else that finally were able to able to have an open and candid. Conversation about the man that I believe is going to follow this entire election cycle so you think with we can only essential wait and expect more of this kind of thing tomorrow oh no I think last night was a sneak preview of coming attractions that as we get further into the election cycle are you going to hear more of it from both sides where this from McConnell Palosi but both parties are going to have to have a defining moment to your other guest point on what is racism what does it look like and how do we deal with the issue Paris you think you've mentioned that this is just in your view President Trump rhetoric do you think he's essentially just appealing to his base so I think we need to be very the chants came from the audience and that was there at the rally but I do think campaigns are tough rhetoric happens all the time Senator Kemal Harris distinguished lady from the distinguished senator from California said in a comment said. To the media that President Trump should go back to where he came from so I think that if you're going to be outraged which I think a lot of us also. Apparently still let us not think that she said Yes I think you should be outraged at things that Senator Harris said when she said the president tropical back to where he came from I think what we happened in the campaign season that we're in is a lot of hypocrisy that you know Reverend Jamal Bryant who is the pastor of New Birth and who I greatly respect actually knows that in Florida more. Gillum lost the election because African-Americans turned out in favor of the status because of the issue of school or parental choice so so it is still so you have to look at the real realities is not about racism we use this time too much it's about the facts the realities of policy and policy is on the president's side this is an inclusive economy the things the president a criminal justice reform the things with a 1st step at the things that the president only supported H.B.C. Used no press Reverend Jamal Bryant support the things that he's doing when it comes to the reckless deregulation regulation and I think that he's doing to help small business owners in the fastest group of small business owners African-American women this is a president who has the heart of the people and is doing things that are actually benefiting Americans but specifically minorities in this country has to close McConnell And so this is a precursor to this what you saw last night is something that's going to transform this country because they thought he could do it in 2015 but yet over a 1000000 African-Americans voted for him I think it's going to happen again because they know that the president is actually doing things that are really impacting the community in a positive way looking ahead to the presidential campaign and this this rally was clearly a precursor to that do you think that when people eventually put their crosses in the books they'll deal go with the economy rather than thinking well I'm not too certain about to President Trump's attitudes towards African-Americans minorities Hispanics people out up I think that that number is going to have a precipitous fall in those that support him this time been did the last time I think that we're going to have to wait a minute for the oval cry. Outed field of the Democratic Party so as to get a realistic assessment as to which way that number a barometer is going to shift to but I think that the dynamics for the 2020 election are going to be are starkly different than what it is that we looked at in 2006 thing but I think that you're going to see a greater momentum of those who are disengaged in the last election cycle are really putting their foot down saying I can't roll over and act as if this is not happening that there's too much on the plate and too much on the ballot for me to dismiss a suppose when you'll standing where I am in in the United Kingdom looking at America you know several 1000 miles away with we kind of we're not quite as involved in the U.S. Political scene as as you guys are but what I look at is I think to myself where all the Democrats went where the where the Democrats the Democrats you know great hope great figure that's going to come and potentially remove Donald Trump in in 2020 Jamal Jamal do you think they have a problem with that you think him they they they need that count too soon as they can as soon as they can the field busy is overwhelmingly too crowded at that point at this point it really gives the president who is obviously the incumbent the upper hand in a much larger war chest and as your other guests are would be able to have much more data than I have access to in this crowded field then Trump what really emerges and we're really going to have to spend the south where it is that we are and what is going to be very critical for the Democratic Party is that we're not just so heavily based on a personality but we're going to have to toughen and strengthen our platform and if that doesn't happen then not Donald Trump is just going to tap dance as way right back into the White House Paris us as confident as that. I look I'm sort of the opposite that President Trump is going to be reelected I think that you have the overwhelming too crowded field on the Democrat side but it's also overwhelmingly to extreme it's to socialist it's to outside of the mainstream of where I think most Americans are I think that you look at the enthusiasm advantage of the president and Republicans we happy to get the the financial cash on hand the donation the financial stability that we have with Republican Party and the leadership of chairwoman Arianna McDaniel I mean we are at an advantage and the policies the policies are working not just for domestic standpoint were for putting America 1st and the impact it's having on all all communities but also on an international front the president has a record of achievement and a record that he can run on and will run on and when you're front runner as Joe Biden and you have seen are Harris calling him a racist for his his comments about former senators and calling him a boy and not calling him boy and his stance on bussing and when you have some of things that he said about President Obama you know being clean and it would have meant nice dialect for a black person I mean these are the things that they have to deal with at the at for their party so right now as it stands President Trump is in good good shape to to become the president United States for a 2nd term because he has the policies the kick the the agenda but also the enthusiasm and the support to make it happen the Democrats are in a disarray it's a circus just taking a step back from from what you just said Paris it sounds Yeah it sounds as if what you've listed there however you put it just says to people that America still has a clear problem with racism he still has a clear problem with whites versus blacks with different races with minorities and it is and this perhaps this this chancing at the rally is just a sort of microcosm of that but essentially you still have a nation here that has real problems with race who do great the country. It's founded with the stain of slavery there's no question about that you can't get a wound that you can't fix it after slavery came Jim Crow so so so you can't you know reconstruction all these things that happened so that there there is history that the country as we can either look backward or we can look forward even when President Obama getting 8 years being reelected as the 1st you know African-American to be elected president and then reelected you know we can complain and say it's discounter is bad and black people are being suppressed when I see the the fact that Reverend Bryant church can raise you know $100000.00 to support H B C U's when I can see the fact that you have black black people doing such great things like Robert Smith giving millions to help students at Morehouse and if that is that we have a form on the entertainment industry athletics and from the things that we're doing as a community the lowest unemployment things are actually good and they're looking up in part because of the the policies that this president have supporting free enterprise supporting the 1st step back supporting things that are benefiting the black community so yes racism is real yes racism is alive yes we have problems but my God if you look back to where we are today juxtaposed to where we were back when Secretary Connally star Rice was growing up in Alabama and had her friend killed and the bombing in the church I think we are light years ahead and we can be proud of where we are but I also acknowledge that we have a lot. More to go and I am confident that we have a president who understands that respect. He can't to advance that he said What do you have to lose we have everything to gain and we put the agenda is showing that we are gaining as a nation so we have to hold these these dozen squad accountable and say listen you can't just label everybody a racist because you don't like their policies remember they just label that's a Palosi a racist they just label Joe Biden a racist and they will just label anybody a racist because they don't agree with them and that's that danger that we're in it that it's a problem when if you are African-Americans and that the Republican I support the president you might be labeled and you might be targeted baby harassed and cast aside that's not what we are this is America we should support everybody's independent right that freedom of thought and freedom of expression and worked together and stead of being talking about these things that are that are so bad about this country work together let's pump together Congress than the squad work with President trying to bring down. Prescription drug prices were present trouble every structure worker present trouble doing something for the 1st step that part 2 let's do some good things for the country partisanship Jamal what do you think of the the state of the current state of American politics and that sort of the the theory that racism is still very much alive and well I think all of America both parties off it just aging on thin ice I think that you're seeing a lot of tension stress and anxiety on both sides and regrettably and embarrass some lady on a global stage it looks as if the president is fanning those flames the tweets that he did on the squad the other day were very reckless and irresponsible for our Head of the state and so it really pulls off the Band-Aid and makes us feel as if we are still in a place where the Statue of Liberty no longer has the bland soul but there's a wink that has taken place to your guests point yes trads being made by African-Americans but that's at the top feel at the lower bunker where it is that you're seeing is that the Republicans all platform is really about securing the wealthy the Democrats about the middle class but we have yet to hear a full agenda on how do we elevate those who are in poverty and I think that is what is going to make the real difference Gentlemen thank you very much indeed for speaking to us here on a pool night that was Paris down on who's on Trump's 2020 Advisory Board President Trump's advisory board and from Florida we have from Pastor and civil rights activist Bryant fascinating discussion thank you well all week we've been marking the 50th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing but we've also been looking at the future of the space program as well NASA started automates which is a program aiming to return astronauts to the in a surface by 2024 including the 1st woman and the next man but according to the Hugo Award winning author Mary Roman at coaled NASA needs to learn from its previous failures if it aims to send women to the moon and beyond She joins us now how the robin Mary hello how are you know very well thanks very well indeed now the Apollo program of course put a man on the Moon way back in 1969 there was no there were no Apollo women astronauts did you know why that was exactly. Yes President Eisenhower decided that it should be a military should staff it with military men so NASA. Technology and all of that was all geared around making sure that these military men were able to do their thing he wanted that because he thought that they would be better able to take orders because they would be used to a command structure but the scientists at NASA itself that was not one of the criteria that they were setting up when they were initially saying hey maybe we should sit send people into space so essentially it was a program by men for men correct those gender biases still exist today. I think that NASA is doing a lot of things to try to address those For instance Dr Elena was the head of Johnson Space Center until quite recently and she was very focused on diversity and when you look at the astronaut candidates who are coming in and you're heard ministration you see that they were doing a lot to have gender parity or something close to it in their selection process but they are building on this legacy that's left over from the Apollo era and there are a lot of choices that they made that mean the women who come into the program are dealing with things that are still built around men for example spacesuits I understand the very very much designed for men very much so so when they started doing the shuttle program what they had of originally done with Dr 7 was one of the early the 1st class of women astronauts she worked with the money designing an extra small space suit and they had a small medium large an extra large for budget reasons they cut the extra small but what was even built in they wound up cutting the small and the extra large but there were men who couldn't fit into the large and they complained about. So they brought the extra large back they never brought the small suit back which means that when women get into it they have to compensate Katie Coleman who was also a shuttle air astronaut talks about how when she was in the Neutral Buoyancy Lab which is the giant football sized American football sized swimming pool thank you for that yes it is a slight difference if. Phil it's big enough to hold a full sized mark up of the International Space Station so when she's in there practicing in a suit that is too large for her she has to put padding to keep from moving around in the suit this is something that they call a one G. Problem or an N B L ism which is a problem that you think on earth but you wouldn't actually face in space because she's still under the effect of gravity even if the suit is neutrally buoyant so like if they rotate upside down she'll drop in the suit as it has not so it's actually sort of taken a look at itself and said Yeah we did design all this for men and we should really do better yes they they've done a really comprehensive study of the spacesuits several years ago and started to work on attempting to make changes but they are constrained by but it suits are not surprisingly very expensive partly because the suits we're talking about the ones that go on the extravehicular walks the spacewalks that those are basically humans shaped spacecraft so they have to be completely self-contained and the ones that they're using right now are 40 years old they were designed to last for 15 years but they are still in use because of budget constraints. And what about other things is one of the must be all kinds of things that you have to use and work on in space if they all been designed for men and therefore women might find them a little more difficult to use sure one of the easiest examples is the pistol grip tool which is basically a cordless drill that was designed for the Apollo program it is still in use it's had some modifications but the the grip on it is built from man's hand. And this is something that you see not just in the space program but all over the place where you will have things that are optimized for a man and women can use them but they really are not built for a handsome was the distance ladder rungs is optimized for men and that's that's everywhere so when women go to use a ladder it is because we tend to be smaller the ladder rungs are often place just a little bit too far apart for us this is also governing then when they are putting in handgrips on the space station they're using the measurements for what is the ideal. Placement from ladders and ladders were designed with men in mind I see that given the budget constraints that you mentioned what's the likelihood of a kind of feel a much more female friendly space program. I would love to see that happening some of the things that are happening with some of the commercial programs are looking like they are attempting to rectify some of these mistakes. The the building program has a woman assigned as part of the crew so she's being involved in decisions about the space suits and the fit of the suits and about the equipment Space X. Has an all male crew they say. They say that they have women involved in the design process that they have about 20 people who are working with them to to make decisions but the crew the ones who are actually doing most of the bulk of the testing the ones who have suits fitted for them are all men and and this isn't a case of someone making a deliberate choice like you can see that they are actually trying to accommodate by making sure that there are women included in that design process. Because the the people who are kind of doing the final in stage test. The ones who are actually in the spacesuits are men there there's going to be an optimization around their comfort even on an unconscious level and this isn't this isn't an active bias but it's enough a side effect so essentially this is all about involving women to a much greater degree yes absolutely now as a for instance has never had a female director. And that's and so it's going to be can you see that happening anytime soon. Not with the current administration. That's fair enough I think we'll leave it there Mary Robin Koval thanks very much indeed Hugo Award winning author is talking about the potential for females on s'posed space programs it brings me to a quote and it is this earlier Alan Shepard was the 1st American man in space not sure if you knew that he got into space 1st time in 1961 here's a quote from him he said it's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract something in that with all those nuts and bolts You're listening to up all night here on 5 Live it's 132 on digital B.B.C. Sounds smart Spiegelman this is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live for kin and has the headlines 14 people have been hurt some seriously in a car crash in Stephen age emergency services were called after 2 cars collided on monks wood way at about quarter to 10 yesterday evening the B.B.C.'s learned a group of senior conservatives are looking at asking the Queen to help stop and no deal bricks at the M.P.'s believe if the new prime minister ignores parliament they could get the monarch to attend the next E.U. Summit and request another extension president trumps distancing himself from the center back chance directed at a Somali born congresswoman and one of his election rallies the taunts came days after the president tweeted that Omar and 3 other female Democratic members of Congress should go back to their countries and the E.U. 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For a chair and footage posted on social media shows a large group of spectators had gathered to watch cars drive past and as well of the vehicles pulls out of a side road it's hit by another car at speed sending it piling into a group of people now this crash happened about 945 last night as you said left 14 people injured we're told 12 of those have been taken to hospital police say some of those have serious injuries they'll be taken to 3 hospitals a list a hospital in Stephen idjit self the what for general and the Princess Alexandra Hospital in Harlow now witnesses on social media been describing the aftermath of the accident as horrendous footage that's been posted up shows a large group of people there a lot of people in the area at the time trying to deal with the people who are lying on the ground injured and the police say an investigation has been launched but they and the emergency services are expecting to be at the scene of this crash for quite some time does it look like the police knew that this was an actual organized car meet all was it just something that was arranged on the spur of the moment when I did ask the police Where's this known about did you know about this but they haven't so they're not going to provide any more details at the moment it appears this meat was certainly advertised on Facebook but the organizers were saying they didn't tolerate any sort of antisocial behavior they didn't tolerate people doing wheel is they wouldn't tolerate people racing it appears the aim of this was a static car meet where people could come with their. Cars and simply park our pump you would look at. Them but it certainly seems from the footage we've seen online or a number of people took to the roads in the spectators were watching these cars driving quite quickly around the road system sun a Judge thanks very much indeed a reporter there some adjourns with that latest on the crash in Steven age 14 people have been her will keep across that story throughout the program now M.P.'s are voted to back a bit that makes it more difficult for the next prime minister to try to force through. No deal brings it majority of 41 approved an amendment to stop a new prime minister suspending parliament in order to force through Britain's departure from the E.U. Without a deal earlier Britain's official public finance watchdog the O.B. Are warned that the government could be forced to borrow an extra $30000000000.00 pounds every year in the event of a new deal brings it that forecast has been dismissed as project fear by pro Briggs it politicians Well I've been speaking to Ned Simons who's the political news editor at The Huffington Post and also Mike Saunders chair of the Gloucestershire young conservatives who is a Boris Johnson supporter and I asked Ned to explain exactly what parliament has voted to do centrally what promise done is done its best to block Boris Johnson from forcing a no deal Praxair by suspending parliament. There's always going to happen I think . Parliament wasn't King idea that Boris Johnson could become prime minister and just say to our parliament your shot that that line of 31st Whatever happens we leave the without a deal and you can't stop me from doing it so they amended random law going to going 3 to stop them from doing it what was the government who positional this what we did which way were M.P.'s whipped so treason they whipped the Conservative party to vote against this change but unfortunately because essentially she's a lame duck and don't really care what she thinks in the party anymore you had a matter about. 6 cabinet ministers didn't vote the way she says that they should get 17 other Tory backbenchers who voted against her so. Ever she kind of thought she wanted to happen just didn't happen until like me at the political and Chancellor now only kind of staining so evil belt he stuck his head out of number 11 of his house to let everyone know that he was abstaining space being quite a dramatic day and certainly a muggle James resigned as well and she is the Minister for digital Yes I'm OK James voted in favor of the change which meant she had to resign but I think a lot of these Tory ministers and current ministers that to fight the whip know they're going to fight anyway so Philip Hammond the chancellor David cork justice secretary quite Clarke the business secretary really Stuart development secretary they all know that they're out the door the 2nd voice takes over say nothing to lose 3 Mike what do you think of all this is what would your reaction to today's developments. Well there's not really much that I can I can disagree with from what the gentleman just said. My my reaction is again I think it was always on the cards we know the nature of Parliament or the nature of. The M.P.'s were sitting in Parliament. You know I think it was a very natural kneejerk reaction that when it was 1st discussed I think was don't think Rob 1st discussed the possibility of the program a part of. It it just seems to be the very very natural kneejerk reaction to a friend pays that you don't want a brick set or they don't want to know deal Breck said that this would just be the natural route that they would take do you think this is essentially it's a case of whatever happens whoever it is whether it's Boris and he's looking like he will be Boris or Jeremy Hunt they're both going to face the same parliamentary with my take and they're both going to same face the same potential obstacles to reason may they are so I mean that would lead to my my natural conclusion from this would be that you know a general election would probably be a lot more probable now that we've know that we've had this vote so I think that's put it more more more in the cause but I mean you know at the probing of Parliament isn't the only way the forest can deliver BRACKS It's not the only way this you know deal BRACKS It could could come about so you know I think while this might be seen by some as a bit of you know political grandstanding by some M.P.'s who don't want us to leave . Or you know don't want to leave for the to deal. You know that I didn't they it's a sign of what's to come but it's not the be all and end all of you know Bracks or no deal so you know I think there's a lot more events that will that will that will come so will we will have as an M.P. I think we'll have to watch as they unfold live to fight another day kind of thing and then would. We think of the likelihood now of a general election Well I think it's interesting what we just heard there is that I think this is a sign of what's to come I mean what happens i was important but it also shows you that Boris Johnson who I think we expect will win the leadership race this main goal is press aide really has promised that will leave him. With a deal without a deal and ahead of him even taking over he's lost his majority in parliament so before he's even Prime Minister what you should expect M.P.'s are trying to suck up to the incoming leader for jobs or for that to reasons or party reasons or past or reasons they've already said we don't agree with your main priority so it's interesting that Boris on that from the outset is kind of had a not back and it does increase the chance of general election the only way he then can do anything this is change the pollen Shalit measure arithmetic in the commons in any direction in terms of is a No 2 more likely I think it is still properly now the most likely outcome because his Remember even if pollen is not corrupt even if M.P.'s can try other things the eve has to agree to an extension of 58 the labor access we have to ask for one I don't think Boris will ask for one I think no deal still remains incredibly likely even if M.P.'s don't like and it's not as easy as saying we don't want it to stop there you're to change the law. And that's quelled. My Do you think this sort of gives light to the kind of theories we've heard maybe a few weeks ago that Boris Johnson had a unique talent to unite the conservative party doesn't look like he when it comes vote comes in like this does it well I mean how many how many M.P.'s Conservative M.P.'s voted for this member I think it was 17 so I mean let's let's not get too ahead of our health he did he did he did it with the support of I think just 16158 employees I think to send him through to be. You know fit for the leadership. Contest so. You know and we and we still have we still have the results of the leadership election this country coming in quite soon so I think I think that will be very interesting but like I say it's 717 M.P.'s and a lot of these M.P.'s have been very vocal before about their you know distaste for for breakfast or leaving without a deal so again it's not a surprise and this would have been all on bourses mind you know. Months ago years ago perhaps you know if it was thinking about something for a leader that yes there will be M.P.'s that just just disagree with with the direction that we went into with with and then the general election in 2017 Mike I think Mike as a Boris fan what do you think of the idea of probing Parliament when it looks like you're sort of turning in the greatest parliamentary democracy in the world into a dictatorship doesn't it. I mean so is it a ship I mean the problem is that you know which have a side you voted on which side you you know if you want to sell evil to remain the fact is also 57 triggered you know that's the only thing that Parliament has actually has actually voted to deliver is the triggering of Article 50 which is the eventuality that we will that we will live with that we will he. Say you know Three's a May for that night of 7 votes where you know we said right OK Pick an option and parliament said no to every single option so like I say Article 50 still going to trigger it so whether part of its progress or not I mean I mean one could even go as far as say probing is a is a red herring really I mean like like we've just heard I mean if the E.U. Still has to agree to an extension or you know and then again as as Boris could be or could be Jeremy as PM You know they also have their program Safe to decide if they want to extend or if they want to you know if they if they want to know Dale just stand by their own choices so like I say and that would just be filling the vote the parliament how to bring Article 50 into you know to true Article 50 So no I wouldn't say as a woman dictatorship because like I said the decision was made 2 years ago really now and we heard earlier in the way did we from the incoming. European Union president that she's perfectly happy she says to to extend the deal again can you really see that happening. I can see them I can see it happening Yeah but it is tricky because there's not much choice for anything I think to come back to a general election is that there's no majority for any agreement the same authority for No 2 parks this immaturity for treason may steal there's a majority for a referendum there's a majority for any other outcome in the Commons and the only. To get a majority is trying to arithmetic in Parliament which means you need a general election whether that means that Boris Johnson wins a big majority or bigger majority for he wants to do or he loses and Jeremy Coleman Labor windfall what they want to do something has to change in the Commons because there is absolute deadlock and nothing can when everyone agrees that they don't agree. So to also an extension we have to ask for and there's a majority to ask for and that's the main problem and also come back to whether it's right to probe on all I do find it kind of ironic I was about taking back control to produce parliament but typically from quite a lot of kind of grand the Tories with ideas apologies sovereignty like Jason. Who want to take back control and the thing that now want to happen is they want to Spain parliament to push through what they want now what do you think is right or wrong I think it's strange that people don't agree Polman is sovereign it's odd that suddenly the debate has got so polarized now it's on which when whether you should suspend PALMER No it is quite bizarre it shows how far we've come in the last 2 years and debate why do you still believe in parliamentary sovereignty. Yeah of course of the. Story sort of is that I mean parliament they voted Stricker off school 5th and then Parliament hasn't agreed on anything else since really so what is it what is one to do you know what is what is once a day I suppose it's have an election isn't it no would you fear that at the moment from a conservative party perspective. No I don't think I would favor and I think elections one option. You know we never really have it will cause we're going to play I mean it could always come down to a 2nd referendum again I wouldn't fear that it's either so you know I've voted leaf I think again. The only cover got to a referendum I would say is that the ME it would make sense to follow on from the 1st referendum we had so the question. Should be following on from the 1st referendum should it be the deal the trees a mayor or any amendments the next province to get some or no teetotaller not to meet just seems like the logical way to get past this impasse and you know M.P.'s that consecrate on anything in parliament had to get past that impasse because all of M.P.'s are saying that they're worried about things happening in their own constituency so much sort of how that how they're conveying that well you know a confirmatory referendum might be you know something that we can do as long as it follows on naturally from the 1st then again a general election we have one I have a general election so we'll go from there I really want to talk to you both as well about the predictions from the Office for Budget Responsibility saying that we need to be a 30000000000 pound more 30000000000 pounds more borrowing in the event of a no deal Bragg's it Duncan Smith gave those projection short shrift Mike 1st of all do you agree with I.D.S. . which possible well the whole thing did you think the do you need a in duncan smith his right to to give the o.b. All predictions short shrift well i mean not was so that was that was water but was warm prediction that was made i hurt i heard for the power mins take called on the off as well and i that he was he was definitely you know even even disagreeing with the figures that represents it's me free and i can spare i just think of this now we we know to do we to know where we are we know where we are it at the poll leg we look at the m.e.p. An action if we know where people on all on the on them ship of the e.u. With ice clearly the we do you have to lee's so i mean some might say that it's just a rerunning of projects fair you know i others might say well You know we did we did have this during the referendum. People made their choice so it's a question of are we are we Democrats yea or nay Now what do you think of the predictions Well I think actually what might make this very interesting because I think the number of warnings about what happens economically it's a country doesn't really matter now I think we should take. Action seriously we said the Treasury's question seriously and actually some of the other petitions about the economic impact until much more harsh than what they are said today in the Treasury's suggestion was a bit more 90000000000 pound in the economy but this is now about politics and culture and society and in a debate it doesn't really matter what the warnings are because people just don't believe them whether that whether they're right to wrong today does that kind of the cultural political dynamic is is almost We don't believe the numbers and you know the numbers are right we don't care because we want to quote take back control or on the remain a side the celebrations about. The media comic shop shop what happened the 2nd the vote happened didn't pan out so in a bizarre sense all the predictions are made about what's going to happen no one believes them or they don't care so in a weird way they don't really matter in til the impact is felt and if it is by. I think that's going to be quite a problem for Boris Johnson and the conservatives because they will get blamed because Boris Johnson is the person who campaign trip back said it was his plan it was his campaign and he has to be the one that owns it now it becomes prime minister there's nowhere to hide. Well I think I think we'll just have to see how it pans out I mean we never have a general election and. Delivering but absolutely so so so again will have to see how it was I mean we all remember what happened in the last 2 years we saw it you know it was predicted to be doom and gloom of what's happened you know record numbers the economy is in great shape you know the deficit is coming down so you know like I say we're right in the middle of this so like I say events are going to unfold. You know it's just going to be very interesting for us I'm on the side to help conversations we're having this evening just crystal ball time for you both now gents just just to wrap up now I'll start with you 1st what do you think is going to happen let's say before the end of the year in terms of politics and brags. Well it's always hard and there are you would be I think the transfer general election relative it's now quite high I would say the most likely outcome is a no do a proxy then the October and then a general election in the summer of 2020 where Boris can say I did have a proxy I'm trying to see if the backs of party and in the hope that Labor is imploding still as it still is my what do you think. Well I thought 3 as it may still going to be our problem is this stuff yes I think predictions are going to be very good but. What I would say is I do think I think frankly I think I don't I don't count chickens for a fact but I think when we went to be our new prime minister and there's a question of what he does from that. Will he will he pass an amended or ready you know the current version of trees a maze deal because we've heard. Quite a few M.P. Now saying that even though they voted. So many times you know to reject reason May's deal they in their opinion they thought it was just run standing for members and things like this I think now they actually genuinely realized the notary's I was actually serious you know it is that this is the deal so whether Boris wants to give it another go or not. That's down to him I think it might be likely that we do see a trees may steel or slightly amended version of trees a maze deal going through Parliament quite. Now and Simon's political news editor at The Huffington Post and Mike Saunders speaking to me a little earlier he's the chair of the last year young conservatives also and he's a Boris Johnson fan as well talking about the latest on breaks it and the vote to back a bid making it more difficult for the next prime minister to try to force through a no deal a rain. Went well out from the U.K. To the U.S. Let's take a look at the stories making the Washington Post to me in a poor room is whether the desk. Problems in Iran they grow further the tensions in the Strait of Hormuz what's going on yeah the latest I mean we heard we've been hearing about various confrontations in the Strait of Hormuz especially in the Persian Gulf Oh the SO days including. Involving the various tankers and stuff but today we just 1st thing in the morning we heard from there in years that they actually have. Seized tank which we believe to be blunt today not Arab merits and this had to go to the smuggling our oil from Iran and later if we heard from the president President of Trump here that tell us as downed Iranian drawn that through very close to a U.S. Washer I mean this leg I remember last month. American drone was shot down by Iran and a dispute about where it was but it wasn't Iranian territory or international waters or whatever but it cost but millions of more than more than 120000000 dollars And so it was something huge and. Then that saying this is we don't know what kind of drone it was maybe. Just a surveillance don't but it shows that every day something some kind of interaction negative interactions happening between the Western countries and Iran and it's not . Looking very good for what kind of negotiations that Trump wants to have come through and later in foreign minister was in New York today for some meetings at the United Nations he said we are we're going to. Make some changes if you remove all the sanctions. But I don't think Americans are going to do anything like that it's again a stalemate and don't trump as well he's now distancing himself from the U.S. Send her back to chant at the rally in North Carolina what his latest position yes he here actually looks like a lot of people objected yesterday at the rally and not Carolina he started talking about singled out one member of Congress. Instead of the 4 women of color he just picked up one whose came as a refugee from Somalia and represent your mark and he said she's Tamarack and his critics criticizing American values and America leaders and he's rarely and all kinds of things and the Qataris shouting stand up back and he actually stood and listened to it for a while before continuing speech but today he actually said I don't like it tied in appreciate it and I want to end it quickly that's why quickly resumed speaking and we found out it was out at least 13 seconds he actually paused so. He is trying to play both sides because he needs to tell the base that he's not backing out of the symptom. Of the Republican establishment that he is kind of rhetoric in some way. Because some people came back and like Metron in the Republican Senate actually settle and I'm glad. You didn't support it or maybe it wasn't really like that but. On it goes thanks very much indeed. For new bands too long still it's. This is C.B.C. 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