Longer. Than anyone else this is. $3.00 and $4.00 come to b.b.c. News comes from Dominic Busby Alamo news on 5 Live a terror attack in New York kills 8 and seriously India's 11 men and in sport Manchester United are on the verge of the Champions League knock out stages but Chelsea slip up. This is b.b.c. 5 Live. 8 people are dead in what police are treating as a terrorist attack in New York 11 others were seriously hurt when a truck hit them on a cycle path in lower Manhattan a 29 year old man was shot and then arrested the suspect is reported to be an immigrant who came to the u.s. In 2010 and settled in Florida his Our North America editor John Sopel there are those in the White House who believe there is no such thing as a lone wolf attack or that the person must have been radicalized somewhere they'll be doing their utmost to trace any threads that could lead to other people who may be planning something similar 5 of those killed were from Argentina President Trump says he's asked officials to step up the vetting of people coming into the United States talk to Davida gotten Stein Ross is a counterterrorism expert often times terrorists like to talk if he wants people to know exactly what why he did it then we'll learn a lot of at least but also in the u.s. Official system people have the opportunity to exercise their right not to suffer criminal ate refuse talk about anything that surrounds the incident and or refuse to speak to saris without counsel. 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Run for observant Catholics it's a holy day of obligation means they ought to make an appearance at church and remember said some martyrs who give up their lives for Christianity as closely followed by All Souls Day which in many Latin American countries in particular is celebrated as the day of the dead but here we are today and it's 500 years since something did or perhaps did not. The man called Martin Luther who opposed many of the ways of the Roman Catholic Church close to 1005 these days on the church door. We're going to begin with an anniversary which we're all aware of and that has the anniversary of the death of $58.00 people in Las Vegas on the 1st of October. 58 were killed hundreds were injured after a gunman opened fire on a huge country music concert in Los Vegas one that was being attended by as many as 20000 people and as we mark the months since that attack going to try to find out what's changed what's happened in the American mindset and that we start from hearing by hearing from Logan and liberty who were at the concert that night on the bulb 3rd song. We use here like just noise it sounds like fireworks a couple random pops cooling off and everybody just kind of. Like looked around but they just thought it was fireworks and the performer kept going and then it went off again like 10 seconds later it went off and you see the performers just run off the stage the whole state schools. And. People are saying get down get down that's when we knew it was obviously the shooter and we're on the ground we can't see anything at start we just all we hear is gunshots going off and then keeps going and then a saucer man and somebody says he's reloading run and everybody just gets up and start running and you see people just getting trampled and those people like the ground I was looking on the ground people are bloody everywhere saw a girl her whole face was bloody her old house was bloody people pushing over there is really it's burning their hands on grills trying to get through because there's barbecues everywhere there's just nowhere as old really. It was crazy. Well 2 of the concert goers from that night well over the next 20 minutes or so will be thinking about it and on the day after President Trump called it an act of pure evil and he summoned the the White House staff to stand with him for a minute of respectful silence on the White House lawn in other remarks at least one Democratic senator invited the Congress to get off at sas and do something this was Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut Well question is what has Congress done and one of the proposals which is going the rounds and which made some progress is a bipartisan bill which would provide a framework to restrict and regulate bump stocks no the bump stop was used by the shooter in Las Vegas to turn his semiautomatic rifle into a fully automatic weapon firing up to 100 rounds a minute and so far no legislation has actually been passed on bump stocks Congresswoman Dina Titus represents the 1st district of Nevada including Was figures on her bill calls for a waiting period and a full investigation of anyone who wants to buy a bump so here she is explaining it to me a little bit earlier co-sponsor of a bill just to ban bombs dogs but in this climate with the Republicans in charge and that you know are a way to have a very unlikely that that will pass so I'm also co-sponsoring with another Democrat and 2 Republicans including this battery from Pennsylvania is a former f.b.i. Agent a meal to regulate. This would require you to do a macro. And you have to pay $200.00 to do this it would regulate the bunched up just like we regulate machine you know well no you exactly to the words out of my most because I was going to ask you why not buy stocks the world was enough talk about banning them in the days after the Los Vegas shootings Well that's right and that would be the only thing course some of the gun groups argue that regulating might be a better way to go because if you ban then you create a black market and you don't know who has these devices and it's not just bombs dots I want to point out it's other devices that work the same way there's such a thing as a shooting blur if you can put on your hand the trader's. Hundreds per minute to our thousands and so it's broader than just bombs on it but why should any citizen urse possess a rational question but why should any citizen want a gun that shoots hundreds of rounds a minute I mean that's how military applications and well that's exactly right these are weapons in to use in war you don't need them for hunting you don't need them for recreation it's just an obsession some people have and this is a reasonable kind of gun safety measure it's not something that goes against the 2nd Amendment we're not trying to take away people's rifles who want to go out and shoot deer this is a kind of weapon that nobody needs for those kinds of activities in this climate though you've talked about the unwillingness of the Republicans in Congress to actually pass bills that restrict anything to do with a gun when it was a must that Congress did actually pass something that limited c o of a particular kind of gun for example or certainly him in there in my time in Congress it was the assault weapons. Earlier But you know since then you have had this and you hooked sooting with a little 1st grader it's you have the nightclub in Florida even at the movie theater and Colorado you've had the government office in San Francisco San Diego or Sacramento or somewhere in California and now this been 58 people killed in the worst in modern history so at don't know when it's going to get people to take action you know we always have a moment of silence on the floor of the house people you know in or jazz in the n.r.a. Just drags the Republicans while paying the bill for a vote they just way to am until the news cycle shifts the n.r.a. Being the Rifle Association. Who are still a very very powerful lobbying organization Talking of which isn't there a bill also in Congress at the moment that would permit the sale of silencers. If sense right and they are yours for the good of the 100 because of its ears being affected which is just ridiculous our law enforcement is opposed to that because one of the things about being able to hear the good side is to be able to detect where it's coming from and that can help to protect unions it Lab So this is a push in the other direction where we have to be on the defensive not on the opposite they were sensitive enough to at least pull that be all right in the wake of this you things in Las Vegas but that won't surprise me to say don't bring it back you know they don't want to do background checks as another beyond they want not want to do away with multi ammunition magazines. You know that is just like the absolute limit Newington you have these great big clips which are so on wieldy that you can you can barely call the things with a tremendous number of runs. I mean there is a report I think the early times that the. Silence or legislation is going to be offered again how do you read the the mood among the majority of your fellow members of Congress I mean is there any appetite to to actually take a legislative approach to well we we have this bill to allow. It to regulate month stops may get some support because originally that's what the n.r.a. Said originally that's what Speaker ransomware that was kind of the message coming out the White House so here's one other option give you one other chance that maybe do something but it's hard to gauge know they're so concerned about primaries from the raw 8 so Mom represents districts where people are just so attest in their guns that they think in the myths your is a an attack on the 2nd amendment they say one thing in the elevator and they do something else on the floor but remember there are 22000 people at that concert so that's a lot of people who are affected who would be abal even support of getting rid of upstart And also if you look at the public opinion polls the majority of people in this country take a nationwide support mag rancheros and supporting it really amongst us so hopefully we are reach a tipping point. Democratic Congresswoman Dina Titus from Nevada just to say she's cooperating on this bill with the Republican brand Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania were listening to all with us was Ed Myla Ed has a 23 year old daughter Jessica who was at the route $91.00 harvest music festival and unfortunately was one of those who was shot and she's currently recovering. And before we talk about Jessica I just wonder how you react to. Represent of Titus had to say there put Congress. Arm out well I'll tell you that's so funny such. A long debatable subject came in this country. You know listening to that I would say my reaction is you know she's so right. There are just certain weapons and there are certain weapon accessory is Stet you know I believe now orderly that the American public is just proven that you know we don't have. Enough responsibility to. I have the right to home. I'm a proponent of the 2nd Amendment I own a shotgun. I own a postal I support shoot a little bit. You know I'm not anti gun but I certainly am. You know anti bomb stuff can military grade weapons. For judge and munition clips we just I think we've proven here that we just don't need it don't need greater citizens to own that stuff. Well. How. About your daughter because she really was badly injured wasn't. How is he doing and what exactly were her in today's. She is doing much better now among plater she was shot in the stomach and the bullet. And here's another one on the discussion we were just talking about he was shooting from what I understand fragmenting bullet stuff designed to come apart and in the tissue. So she was shot as I understand it one time and parts of that bullet lacerated her liver and one of those fragments went through the wall of her right lung and came to rest on her long thank goodness and has had several operations. She did she had an initial operation and then had a 2nd operation to go after the fragment in the long. And in the course of some of that ended up suffering acute kidney failure and was put on dialysis which we've now thankfully taught our way through and there's no longer the case. That's that's great news so what prospects are there for her no I mean we're. On the road. Or we are close to getting out of here we she has a chest tube in that's been draining fluid off the long surgery site for well over 3 weeks now but it's it's slowing down to the point where I think they're going to pull that chance to go really soon. And that's kind of one of the last to that and a partially collapsed lung is one of those are pretty much the 2 things that are keeping us pal and hair loss pills to Los Vegas and then we should be able to transfer to a rehab hospital center some things up there and how I was tested because mood given what she's been through. You know given what she's been through it's amazing minutes great. You know now and normally. I wouldn't describe it that way. But on a scale for somebody that was shot with a high powered rifle from. The 32nd for. Hotel room trying to enjoy a concert I think her attitude is outstanding she was fairly quiet. About everything she has really opened up here in the last 234 days. So that's a good thing for us to see because a little bit worried about just kind of the mental aspect of this whole thing too. Well and I'm sure this this has been so rotten for you and so hard on you and don't know if you. Were she with friends I mean how did they get on the meaning. What happened after she was hurt. You know she traveled to Las Vegas with one friend from Southern California for the sole purpose of coming to this concert they attended all 3 days of the concert and when she was shot. Her friend. Destiny. Was absolutely and strong mental and getting her out of there and and really saving her life I mean she literally Jack dragged Jessica's body through those grounds and out those gates and Toshi got assistance from somebody else and they loaded Jessica in the back of a pickup and that's how Jessica ended up going to the hospital was in the back of a pickup. We've we've just you know we're so grateful to you for talking to us at this point. But you know here we are being hit before we we talk about the suffering of people caught up in these in these mass shooting incidents and I don't think any of us expect that it's going to be us. And you must you must have thought about this a lot really you know previously maybe you've heard people talking from the Newtown school shootings or something like that and here you are not talking to us like this. Can anything good come of stuff like this. You know that's that's a tough one I think the good thing that does come from it is seeing all of the you know great support and. The other side of our society that pours in was just the players and the support like sun. You know just just a love so I you know I guess there's that side of the coin and you know the other I don't know I don't know how many times we will repeat this. Before we get it right and if we can get it right. You know this when you have a. Free Society one obviously I would. I would want nothing more than the great free society that we have here a little so free. Yet I don't know I don't know how you stem the tide I don't know how you. Know you stop these things from happening in this country I really don't. Thank you very much and everybody's thoughts are with you and and with Jessica for a full recovery. And I greatly appreciated now we expect to make one then and we are really fanfold thankful as a family there's a lot of people. That aren't going to make a full recovery survives or changed and you know as we all know there's there is 58 that ended here and it says sag strangely extremely sad thing to be a part of thank you Ed Thank you well by 2 weeks after the Las Vegas shooting which let's not forget was statistically the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history coverage of had all but vanished from 6 major cable news networks according to an hour says by our next guest the trace looked at data collected by the television news archive here to explain a bit more about that now Daniel Nass from the trace Hello Daniel thanks for having me on well thank you so much on the day and the day after list because it was wall to wall on on the cable networks what happened after that. Yeah that's exactly right so my you know I was looking at coverage of the biggest shooting 6 of these now. Cable news networks using data that comes from a great resource called the t.v. News archive which is a huge searchable database of t.v. News clues captions and basically unless you see as a percentage. How popular or how frequently mentioned any given term is so you can see that on a day of the. Coverage of the last biggest shooting was at about 1.3 percent of all sentences spoken on 6 of these national t.v. News networks and just one day after that it had fallen by about a 3rd and by 2 weeks at it it was at practically 0 and has stayed there since that. Is this typical. The same pattern that you saw for the new turn schools who thinks for example yes so I compared the graphs of several mass shooting events and also a few other news events as a frame of reference and I saw what looks like a pretty distinct pattern in coverage there's of course there's some variation some things hit a higher peak than others some things have a slightly longer life but it looks like. Almost without variation in the events that I looked at with in 2 to 3 weeks. Coverage subsidence to almost nothing national t.v. News. It's. If you're a if you're in the news unfortunately this is not surprising. That you didn't look at the content I guess at the end of the news cycle did you I mean to do you interested in what they were actually covering before they dropped the story altogether. I didn't look into that in too much detail I think in the case of the biggest shooting there were a few very small step I was able to map onto specific events that are on Day 9 the police revised the timeline of the shooting which may have prompted a few networks to revisit the events and then. 25 there was that there is news that a neuroscientist was going to be examining the government for abnormalities but other than that. There were no not really any. Events that could have happened to restore interest in it that did for example there were no major revelations about the gunman Stephen attic and legislation that was proposed in the Senate that would have banned stocks the device that he used to accelerate the rate of fire and again. That legislation stalled out so. It. Depends which of the biggest shooting compared to the other events over to. Head the shortest shelf life of all really the shortest shelf life so so suggesting that the public are no then you are just to the horror of this after the initial shock. Yes that's a possible interpretation There's also the fact that you know I think to many people it feels like that the news cycle has been particularly it's still really did recently. Maybe that networks had even more on their plate and usual and that's what led to this coverage you wasted quickly. Well if it if it looked like we were all going to get nuked that was possibly quite commanding news story to the time anyway Daniel were very pleased that you could talk to us thank you so much thanks so much for having me on. Buzz let's go back to this legislative impasse which congress woman Titus was talking to us about just a few minutes ago Igor bore because politics supported the Huffington Post and has been looking at why there is such a legislative stalemate over an issue that provoked such a for sure for us response months ago Well Igor what's the answer why why isn't there more happening although admittedly we don't have this new bump storks bill from from Congresswoman Titus and our colleague. Yeah I mean in a sense and thanks for having me I think in a sense it's really that the problem is that. Republicans in Congress. Are. Sort of beholden to certain interests such as the not for National Rifle Association the powerful gun lobby. In the United States and on. Wary about their influence in in the next election so I did a National Rifle Association initially bless the idea that you could get rid of bump stops you know they they wouldn't oppose that they did it that's right and but you know gun control advocates and the Democrats say that's the big momentum for initial momentum for legislation and then a legislative fix which would be more permanent was was effectively kneecapped deliberately kneecaps by the National Rifle Association which really just opposes. Regulations because they say does not prevent criminals or solve any crimes really if they say that criminals would still get hold of them on the black market and there is a there is a phenomenon isn't there that immediately after this sales of bump stocks or if nobody had heard of went through the roof. That's right and then there are still and on some websites sold out and for that matter are other kinds of devices that perform the same function as bomb stocks bomb stocks have gotten the majority of the coverage because that's what the shooter in Las Vegas used on 12 weapons but there are similar types of devices that are also on the market that people can still purchase and is there any say argument farther I mean no they are they used in gun clubs for some kind of competition I mean can anybody for the amount of ammunition that these things actually use while the original argument for them was that they were they were constructed to 8 people with disabilities to be able to fire weapons. Now well you've got some Republican lawmakers who have never even heard of these weapons and who have said that you know we should really take a look at them an end they should not be able to simulate automatic fire on semiotic with automatic weapon what has happened is that because the National Rifle Association has come out and said that you know there that we should do this regulatory or you know regulatory sense not what the law the whole thing is stalled . The agency that's supposed to regulate these things does not know whether they have the authority on here under existing laws to regulate these things so we're kind of in a log jam so to speak. And can you just remind us just just to show us how things have changed a semiautomatic weapons you know military grade repeating rifles which were actually banned for sale in the United States for a number of years. There were and I believe was in the ninety's or Oh dear early 2000 and actually the the band legislative ban on that expired because of opposition again led by the n.r.a. In Congress and this is a this is a recurring issue here in United States after every every should mass shooting Democrats. Launch a new push for gun control and the n.r.a. And they are allies know that if they sort of you know hand out kind of scraps like knowledge in that there's got to be some kind of law in due time when the controversy subsides they've really got time on their side it go back from the Huffington Post thank you very much she go thank you. It's just after 3. 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If you check the current. Yes Telsey going behind to Roma after just 39 seconds and it didn't get any better from there as they were beaten 3 nil away to missed the chance to bequests the knockout stages of the Champions League Romanelli group c. By a point but it's a win against Karabakh in 3 weeks' time we'll see Chelsea go through no such problems for Manchester United there were 2 no victory at home to Benfica leaves them on the verge of reaching the last 16 this one was watched by a senior football reporter in Dallas Manchester United were far from fluent at times when. Fortunate Masiello how to 14th minute penalty save by spill off while the hair shortly afterwards pulled off a flying safe to keep out on solve as on the stroke of half time a low budget shot hit the post but rebounded end of the luckless goalkeeper to hair again kept out on Silva as well as sloppy by a mistake letting him an f. 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Sam and I was held in the German town a veteran Berg on Tuesday to mark something which may not have happened when the 500 years ago or so Martin Luther marched up to the door of the castle church and they held up his $95.00 theses the ceremony of course was much more than just one thing it was about the life and times of Martin Luther whose criticism of the Roman Catholic Church led to the split with the church and the birth of Protestantism he said that Christians couldn't buy their way into heaven but only got there through the grace of God Well Dr Mona Briggs is a like Sure early modern history of Manchester I asked Arthur Briggs if and her opinion Martin Luther really did nail the 95 theses to the church door historians are still divided as to whether he did although the marshal work diversity has made a very good case in fact he didn't do it that there are any references to the. From about 15 for his own words where he's supposed to know that on the 31st of October 15th 17. There's a sense that it's part of the mythology of Luther and that the middle aged grew up because pinning your ideas to this cathedral door was in the past a very normal form of disputation So it was a way of creation debate for those there's no record for many listeners works that he actually does this so it seems unlikely Oh dear well there's a balloon punctured but like $95.00 points that he would see with which he disagreed with the Roman Catholic Church he did I lot of people think that it's purely about indulgences which were. Basically a chicken and money and get time off in purgatory but the $95.00 species weren't just about indulgences they were there were other criticisms against the church essentially a lot of things that Luther disagreed with and wanted to see reform and so there were issues that he thought the church should address to make the church a better institution Well let's start with the in dogs just because of course we are told that Luther objected to the church's corruption and that there was a kind of super salesman of indulgences going around about this tie you know who who was selling indulgences to build I don't know if it was sent Peters or certainly it was it was to to fund some very large church building project so again I mean there's some truth in that as. Well there is so so at the time that Luther was circulating these ideas it was actually done at a very provocative time because. That's the was in the air it was in the Church selling this is very powerful indulgence that was going towards building in St Peter's So he did it at a time to capture the public imagination because it was it was very timely when we think about him I suppose we we do think though about his it's huge differences theologically about you know how you whether you and salvation or whether salvation was a gift of God That's that's a big deal isn't it. Yes So. It was believed by the Catholic Church that essentially the Christ opened the door to salvation through dying on the cross but that individuals had to do for the things to achieve it so they could call the 7 sacraments so baptism marriage confessed and. They could do good works as well so they could pray they could Fost the very wealthy could buy could buy rich things for the church so great older pieces or relic ways or great silks and things like that to decorate the church and in doing that they would gain more grace for salvation but Luther had a lot of ideas about this but his 2 prominent ideas were so they feed a so faith alone and Sola Scriptura So word alone so he believed that individuals were justified by faith alone so the only need to. Believe in Christ and this would be part of their salvation and also from scripture that they should rely on the Bible and of the Bible had taught them and through this to be able to gain salvation and from sola scriptura script euro was a looser who was that the driving force behind getting the Bible into the vernacular you know being Jerram on our English our our French the language of the people well so were the driving force in a sense and trying to get the language we're trying to get the Bible into German but he wasn't the 1st reformer or Philo did he want to teach Bible in the vernacular So we have John Wycliffe circulating his own translation of the Bible in English in the 14th century for instance. But Luther is obviously instrumental in. Translating the Bible for wider circulation in German. And it's also often said of Luther that his ideas wouldn't have gained wider currency had it not been for the spread of the printing press is that still I think that is true it wasn't just to the printing press that he was communicating his ideas who very strongly favored preaching he also communicated his ideas through music through song and through him that he himself had written but the printing press was was a great instrument in terms of being able to produce. Accessible ways to communicate ideas and for these ideas to spread very quickly and out of the world and it was exceptionally skillful at using the printing press because he was able to communicate very complex ideas that were then printed and read by intellectuals from far and wide he was also able to communicate with the the lower classes and with the illiterate he would have images printed that were very simple and very satirical that even those who couldn't read would be able to understand that he was mocking For instance the papacy or Catholic priests so he was able to not only use the speed of the printing press but also to use both cheap print and expensive print to communicate his ideas across social classes and last like we use this idea or this town or reformation to talk about what Luther and successors that people like John Calvin but did Luther use it themselves not to my knowledge he didn't so who started the whole idea that this was a reformation as far as I'm aware is coming from historians essentially who are looking at the great changes in the prostin church or the development and changes and process in church and also the way in which the Catholic Church. Reinvigorates itself some of argued in response to the process reformation but perhaps just in parallel to it so there are these great changes that are happening where these new ideas are coming in and they're shifting focus and there is a kind of sense of bettering. Decision so the Reformation is used after the period in which the Reformation is seen to occur is actually occurring yet and what happens Luther himself Well if it dies very quiet just in his own bed in 1546 surrounded by many of his followers so it was very quiet and for looser compared to the very exciting life that he had led but also compared to the very bloody end of a lot of people who inherited his ideas well quite Yes. I wonder I wonder what he would have made of the developments in in church organize a sion to the vast numbers an hour from churches compared to the way it was when when he said I wonder if he ever thought that there would be so many splinters if you like in the holes in the whole movement Well there are lots of splinters in his own lifetime notably the pen more of $1525.00 and there are a number reformers that really came to the fore when he was in for a causal. In 15 twenty's so he was aware of lots of different groups that were emerging he was aware that in reading his own new ideas that this sort of opened the door for a lot of other new ideas that would create conflicting face and he didn't look very favorably on face beyond Lutheranism. So I think you would have been quite surprised and probably quite happy with whatever I do you have faced. Are part of the sort of post umbrella today Dr Linda Briggs lecturer in early modern history at the University of Manchester Well our correspondent in the Balkans Nick Sarpi is reporting tonight on a new controversy involving Catalan and the pen that it appears to affect hung Gideon's particularly deeply as we'll hear. Well it's an interesting effect really because you know while all of Europe perhaps the owns attention is on this sort of drama going on in Barcelona and in Catalonia. The hunger Ians of Eastern Europe in particular but I think minorities across Eastern Europe but the Hungary and in particular been very active in claiming autonomy for themselves in Rumania in Slovakia in Serbia and in Ukraine to understand that I should mention that 100 years ago or so at the Treaty of preeminence So off to the 1st World War a lot of hung their aims were basically Hungary lost 2 thirds of its territory large numbers of its people so there are sort of islands of on Gary and living in those neighboring countries and since the fall of communism they will be very active in because the current They live in pretty much concentrations in the mountains for example and remain near and so on they've been claiming all told me an example they always gave until now was Catalan autonomy within Spain as a sort of working model and they do is try and reassure the majority population Rumanians for example. That autonomy doesn't lead to independence but it's Ok that all they want is cultural autonomy their own schools their own citizens in the laws and so on and then there'll be good Rumanian citizens as well as hanging on to their cultural and Marion identity and of course now with what Spain happening in Catalonia that's throwing the calf among the pigeons as it were another remains and all the other people are turning around and say look we told you so and so it's pretty much told you go to the hopes of the hung Marion's probably of other minorities through the region and beyond of ever getting autonomy because everyone will now look to what happened in Catalonia. Why the hunger in this in particular is it just because the hunger games are so widely distributed. Well there are people who often speak of there being 15000000 Hungary and the world 10000000 or just under 10000000 in the motherland in Hungary exile in Russia Hungary as it was called after the 1st World War and then the others especially many new $900.00 States Australia and so on but especially in in sort of strips of land close to the hung there in border most of them but just outside the motherland So you know there are fiercely let's say let's use a positive or neutral word Patry Oxic people at the best of times when the European Union expanded Interestingly some of the politicians and we the past were saying well look we've managed to reunify the hunger eons without finding another rule in other words they'd be able to you know to infer easily over the hung marrying Rumanian Hungary in Slovak border with no more border controls and so on and on the connections to the motherland were closer at the end of the Hunger Games or actually given in the question of cost laws giving them the right to vote even in the Hungarian elections which sometimes doesn't go down so well with opposition parties and angry so. I think they're just very active very patchy Arctic some would say very nationalistic in defending their identity against the people. Parallel to the people of the peoples of Eastern and Central Europe. Well I mean the Ukrainian parliament passed interesting law didn't they one of these language laws this relates to this story but this is sort of parallel to that story. In Ukraine. A lot of people speak Russian when I've been there covering different stories for the b.b.c. Over the years I was surprised you know I imagine this present bill that this conflict in eastern Ukraine it's been going on for so long with so much loss of life were somehow between Ukrainian and Russian speakers in fact when I was there I discovered that a lot of the people fighting against the pro Russians the separatists in eastern Ukraine are actually Russian speakers them so they're actually trying to defend Ukrainian territory even though they feel quite Russian but the that's a sideline really to the story I wanted to mention here which is. Because so many people speak Russian in Ukraine because Ukraine is now trying to define itself as it were against Russia because of the conflict in Crimea because of the conflict in the east they're really pushing for more people in Ukraine more students pupils in Ukrainian schools and universities to speak Ukrainian rather than Russian So they've just passed or the Ukrainian parliament passed a somewhat draconian language your saying that from now on secondary school level you can everything has to be taught all subjects in Ukrainian this is actually a little effectively aimed at the Russians and against the Russians or Russian speakers from within Ukraine the Hunger Games who live again in this group villages and small towns in the very west of the country close to the Hungary and border the most coterminous Qalqilya didn't crane they feel they're up in arms about this because even though the law was affecting the guns Russians it's hitting them very hard they say that their only chance of surviving as a separate cultural linguistic group was only about 150000 of them left in the very western tip of Ukraine their only challenge was to really push their own language and they're happy to teach Ukrainian as a foreign language but of course but that is down very badly in Kiev where the politicians have cost push through the snow to call them Terry and he's saying wait a minute we don't want Ukrainian taught as a foreign language in Ukraine that's ridiculous and so. It's you know everyone sort of understands the other point of view but there's too much history in this too. For it to be result too easily. And this time of year in some places men and women like to go out into the hills with guns what are they looking for and. Your part of the world in Romania for example well those without guns are probably looking for mushrooms with guns for the Brown Bess remain near its home especially in the high top Ivy and mountains which form a sort of horseshoe shaped mountain range through many or especially but Ukraine and so that here in that part of Poland as well the hunt is now looking for ground . Remaining has between $6.80 brown beds It's the single biggest ground population in Europe and at this time of year normally as you say the hunters are allowed a sort of bounty are allowed to kill between $4.50 a year last year the remaining government finally accepted the argument a clean environment clear so the conservationists saying basically too many bears were being shot but this is a treasure the remaining should be preserving were all other than allowing this quite large color to understand each year so they introduced a moratorium last year what happened this year the quanta few. Attacks no one's actually been killed but quite a few people have been injured quite early Bible says because the bears are coming down to the fringes of the villages even towns going through the rubbish bins for example rather like I don't know foxes in Britain for example and when they come into contact with people specially the people don't react in the right way or react in a sort of panicked way or certain ways of dealing calmly with the carnage but people helping getting injured and so the government's now gone back on into its work from last year it's issued licenses now for I think shooting a 150 beds but again this argument is sort of going to and fro between the conservationists and people who see bad as well as many people see while. Animals in any country as a past that should be eradicated or at least kept down. And these these bears who's unfortunately whose number is up have they done anything to to warrant less punishment I mean it's not like when you take a heard of deer and you and you call the oldest and the weakest and that kind of thing you know it I think it's some I mean one should also understand that the a lot of. Sheep herd sample there are a lot of sheep wandering free with this record the mountains through the foothills of the mountains and in Transylvania where there's not fields enclosures high G.'s as you would have been in British fields for example so she could roaming with one shepherd and a couple of dogs and quite often it seems all along the edges of those flocks bears are picking off the sheep and therefore I mean this is always happened through throughout history and it was used to be seen as you know part of the danger really rather is I suppose in farms you know people would expect some of their hands to be taken by foxes and shepherds would be if not armed then they would have some pretty ferocious talks to try and change the balance all but I think in this case the bears aren't being blamed and many people who felt that the moratorium was a disaster they feel that their argument has now been proven that they should get back to the your colors who have brown skin with. Necks are on the ground there is a break in mind.