Passé It's in as much as she she's called a Day I'm sorry to hear that what happened well I mean ironically I think I've managed to find a bigger commitment phobe that myself I guess the subtlety reality is I need to go back on the dating scene for the movie not look my age as a come on you you know your way around the stuff what's what's your old regime I think I'm fairly basic I put on a moisturizer with ASCAP in the morning and does an hour doesn't have to switch up all like the most shows on that you know what is a Swiss Apple versus a regular apple neutral. Maybe it's coated in stolen gold. And I feel you should talk to a dermatologist Yeah. I woulda thought hopes I'm going to. Want to know about a big giant when you know right now if you want to know about your face I talked it over. While I got a control is bleeding so are we down here where oh. Oh. From the b.b.c. This is all hail Cal I did some. Things well this. Weekend the us. Has the plan she delivers the baby and I'll cut through the marketing hype and crazy claims of the puti business definitively found out what we should all be slapping on all faces to stave off aging and maybe even roll back the clock What's a must it's a total waste of money or even harmful What's the foolproof way to age better than your friends won't seeing who 1st puts out the white boxes coat. Into a pseudoscience that's ballooned into a quartering $130000000000.00 business equivalent to the g.d.p. Of. Well this is the 5th richest country in Africa. We spending a fortune in the pipeline to hope that some of the stuff minds work and for some of us back on the markets again. Seeing hope is one luxury worth paying full. The focusing on high end dermatological consultation is a little cool one of the most and surely glamorous and wisest women I know joylessly Gibson a cool to finishing off a Ph d. For the Shakespeare Institute's joy in looking at the beauty industry of skin care what's what are your thoughts on that. Because that's especially unequivocal. Our problem. In a nutshell what is its total. Numbers uselessness total rubbish. Why don't. You know I mean the can do everything all you need to do is when you are going. Out to March. Because the tomatoes won't. Like the pre. Occasions run of the body. And this is being the regime which is made you so glamorous throughout your life to the point where which don't try to on with your. What you consider your very small and I think something. Is there for you. I don't think that said I got it all. The particulars how you do I mean I saw you quite recently and if I can reveal your age 90 won't. See them be civil I may say and I gather you still want to pop your secret lives of characters. Off the state editor for children are $6.00 which a pair. All right Isha settle. Down down to a bit of moisturizer and. Yet in 1000 the expat. A panel of dermatologists evaluating your aging skin concerns that's what you get with 7 Mary calling greedy and snakeskin feel from a 100 younger each day see the miracle for yourself think tomato really needs to up it's going with daily hydration in previous day parents of skin quality virtually undetectable pairs more even. Under a miracle promising poor by measuring by Raj us mere mortals. In need of our own dermatological panel. Ok so. I'm a consultant dermatologist I've been a consultant for 5 years I am on the executive committee of the British cosmetic damage Taji group and I'm also an author of a book called The Skin Care Bible so when we talk about aging we talk about extremes occasioning and intrinsic aging so the extremes of aging factors the things that you can control and about 80 percent of aging is thought to be due to extrinsic factors so you talk about ultraviolet radiation and lifestyle measures and then the other 20 percent is your genetics so if your mom your grandma used Well chances are you're going to as well as the time to go through the mother or father now the parents generally speaking generally parts if you parents of age well yeah good so 80 percent is in our control genetics was going to higher and basically in terms of the the things which affect us. Yeah diet that's right so the biggest thing really is ultraviolet radiation from the sun Uva and u.v.b. Are the biggest factors implicated in extrinsic aging so what we're talking about there is fine lines wrinkles pigmentation sag the skin then the other things make slightly less of a difference but they're equally as important so smoking alcohol intake sleep quality diet they all have a role to play and if you were to portion up 80 percent what percent would go to the The Sun stuff. The majority. Ok level skin care to delve a little deeper on the ethnic front apparently black skin affords natural sun protection of around s.p.f. 13 for white skin it's a meager s.p.f. Of between one and for the end of the spectrum in gender news men age better than women thanks to ficus skin shaving not having issues on drop off and in the burning question of isn't it good to let the place of sunshine laden with vitamin d. Your skin Yeah but it depends what type of skin and where you live if you are in the middle of summer a particular kind of some of that we've had this year and it's very hot and you're very fast skin and you're probably going to burn very very quickly and the long term risks of repeated sunburn 5 almost sunburns before the age of 18 can double your lifetime risk of melanoma and that can kill you so it is a careful balance of recognizing how long can you spend before your skin is going red or burning why is evolution back at this up because you know we were designed as cave men and women to be outside most of the time you would have thought the body you know since we were all homo erectus 2000000 years ago would have found a way to deal with the sun was interesting actually because I mean if you look at rates of melanoma are all skin cancer you don't see much more than a moral skin cancer in Africa or certain Asian countries where the skin is darker versus people so I'm sure migration has a part to play in all of this as well given evolution's tardiness to deal with the cosmetic effects of migration it's to man made products we must turn to Mike's ounce that's 80 percent of aging that lives and our hands with underlings guidance of come armed with a side full of products cleansers moisturizers of their rooms acid sprouts annoyed . Peptides creams contenders all vying to make it into our what actually works regime. Kind of broadly though does products matter nice so a product is going to be made out of the 1st $3.00 to $5.00 chemical names that you see on the back of the product and often for cheap product and an expensive one the top $3.00 to $5.00 ingredients are going to be exactly the same same quality same strength yet same chemical compound when these companies might claims you know they've run tests and 70 percent of people notice a difference in it to logically test it doesn't really mean much no say Dems will be tested hypo allergenic natural organic they're all actually relatively marketing terms that I think very much science or legality behind what these terms actually mean so is that a kind of battle you can impress you into buying the products and century carry out the trials that they know are going to produce the results they want Well it's interesting because often the said trials involving a very small numbers of people so you know they're not going to be the Alladin are going to be a good randomized controlled trial that has got some decent scientific evidence behind it you also do need to be quite skeptical of any trial that is run by the company that is producing the product because that is what independent information that you're getting. It's almost as if anyone can carry out stuff own half baked cosmetics trial it's as if you can say it wouldn't be surprising to some beauty products on. Maybe a bunch of builders before you know it's the easy makes concrete yard in Croydon South London trying to get some of the guys to lose to rise in Virginia say only to then run insists he spends his days driving a 38 ton truck around building sites like pumps out ready mix concrete ask around basically what I. Done to science very. Different conquer it. Spend also happens to be the most beautified builder in Britain when you get up in the morning TAFE have a little shower gel in your hair spray so creamy skin head to toe appearance is the 1st thing you see in a person so I think it's important how you carry yourself when you look at least no I mean you do small point Frank runs off to sign home or thank you very much but what would you think he smiles off like they're going to get some of the government longer. Richmond doubles with a little of the natural stuff from their cocoa but I will go by their number for broccoli poster you know brusque are very hard so what do you cook robots are just make your hair very small farmers. Say what you like about breaks it but it's the Rumanian amongst them. Who refuses to see any silver and say it's a metrosexual Let's say I'm a normal guy you know. The beauty and she makes the big claims about looking younger about stopping the aging process and you know we thought you know maybe we could test some of this out with you guys yeah. Among them for that there is a live many products out there. Many I haven't tried I mean are there any you haven't tried that and I'm hoping if you show me some. Of it right from the year you happen to or wrote some beauty products for years and years if you kind of are allowed to be long gone by your 2 year old boy just want to people. Read through your own theory if you're good and I was trying to live on fresh Would you be Ok trying some stuff oh yeah I can try Ok the mile Well our are what we go who needs the unseen wrinkle firming radiance Oh so the range from 0 through through Ok Ok so there's. Not to. Complete beauty with a regenerative plan select strikes so which one of these do you want you've got the most expensive Well this is a close call because that's fantastic I'm right that's the only she slow way each which. Can you read the. Target in the developing signs of aging. And it's got a war that. Looks and we're extracts and. Oh yes moment tonight and then this is for you and this is the wrong. So you know you're losing your moisturizing virginity with some quite posh cloth. And you think least products what you think is anything to them often at work in my mind of the tells me it does. About war and it's been tested someone's. Got a job full time to test these things I must work. Check in with the guys for signs of life transforming piece of vacation in a scientifically valid period of time. Just before I leave them I mean speaking of builders you know your faces get exposure when you're in the caps as well the sunlight comes in but you know traditionally the I guess there's one bit of the Builder which also gets a little exposure drawing on. Lower because Mubarak knows more about more of his role well I mean but you know they want to I want to go and see a mom goes no rhythm Obama this is not my 1st rounders or what do you do so long to dos one I mean it's more to put up on those occasions when you might flush the public a couple of inches of you'll pull Styria childer we want to look as smooth and as healthy as possible. Down go 3 pairs. Of trousers only go miracle firming masks and probiotic moisturizers and out comes a digital water oil monitor shaped like a perfectly pink dildo. Yeah. Ok it's come out right I'm afraid to say it's 16.4 percent more east and 24.6 percent oil and it's come up as red I'm afraid you have it you have a have a dry bum. Has put some cream on and him. On. Which you go. Let's leave that for a bit as luck would have it the bunch but. Amino peptides happen to need the time it takes to see how beauty went from a small town quite agree to bring the business the size of a central African nation think how much dirt saddle on your skin and make out brings tears again to any crime stories that's why you're basically that Barack trending each day and that try crimes in cash were made by an independent testing laboratory the same how you get 3rd was made radioactive enough to register on a Geiger counter in Kenya perhaps turning your cold cream radioactive to show traces of dirt it wasn't the greatest meeting of science and beauty nor the most pivotal that came towards the end of the 19th century people could hardly see themselves before the h.s. Like electricity right from much of the day people used Kangol slight was not very good mirrors were very very good by the late 1900 century you had a big change in glass technology so people can see themselves you know you have electricity spreading so people can see themselves at nice when they come back from work so whole bunch of things are working together I think to really time what had been like a handicraft. Into something you would recognize now is like a modern industry Professor Jeff Jones is the Isidore Straus professor of business history at the Harvard Business School it didn't take long for Tory is looking in the mirror saying oh my god actually looked like it would eons guessing in our brains whispering here's what could happen if you look like this. There was a copy writer for the ad agency j. Walter Thompson called Helen Lansdowne resort and she is amazingly influential So actually before World War One she's given the commission to boost the sales of a fake shore so would vary which was developed by a dermatologist it's all about planning a successor took such a what dish to $911.00 she launches a famous advertising slogan a skin you would love to touch and image is of a man and woman embracing and that was the 1st time in an advert that man woman had embraced and what she's done is turn us into a promise that you can have a wonderful love life if you use it and that is absolutely transformational peepers Woodbury God lotion The more you that the thought the get heated would agree to that gear wheel type only I never get it where. They are. You're. Writing me another. Won't want to is extraordinary interesting any kind of a turning point when Britain enters won't want to the government trying to shut down cosmetics production and I wanted to concentrate on all goods but Smith away through the war the Government gave up funding beauty production seeing lipsticks and the like as an essential morale boost of. War 2 when access to cosmetic. Becomes a democratic right amidst all the hardship people dying things I think it was a recognition that providing a letter to be cheap product to people may come feel much better sometimes by the end of the war the cool immutable ingredients were in place that he thought your life can be transformed by a product the right to feel better and the faith and pseudo science. Related when Helena Rubinstein with no medical training a Whites lab coat I think you know Rubenstein has a famous quote There are no ugly women only lazy ones. Out to. The minute yet empathetic Ok so I just. Let's wait to show up. Well. You know this old soul younger than me how much younger I think 2 thirds if I can give you a fraction Ok it's younger than me but I do notice and there's a couple things. One does drinking water really not fact. Your aging. And cheerful people are pretty obsessed with water drinking it doesn't do a whole lot of sides and you have to pee. I mean if you're thirsty drink water but otherwise you kind of are those good for wrinkles All right. A rest annoyed seem like a big deal but should we really be rough with them swap faces each night you know seems quite chemical why you want to go online this talk about making the skin thinner do we actually have any idea what the long term impacts of of using these Russian OJT saw. I mean I'm familiar with I mean that there I think they're a derivative of vitamin a and I heard of that being used so specifically for people who have acne it can be useful it's usually topical It seems a little but it's also in the news if you're not dealing with acne. Just like why also as an o.b. G.y.n. I should let you know that vitamin a to have. Problems in pregnancy so people who are trying to get or are pregnant or should not be using right now in Ok Now it's interesting because ever goes crazy for these restaurants well even when they don't have acne you know there are tons and tons of products where you know you brought them in each night and once you get used to the burning sensation you you and your family look just just a little based on fire I mean we're. Going to I think that's I think a good luck. Source. Friend of mine she's. Breaking news from the building basically it was your mirror for the most. Trouble Likewise for Richmond Oh that's nice very nice flow has only seen a modest uptick his is the only way. To not merit a smiley green face. Or not you. Know if you. 2 also 3 builders say that post areas fell. Isn't that much worse than what's Bundy's around by cosmetic companies we don't think that people should take claims at face value. We. Are merely just creams in the u.s. Claims aren't regulated so companies to basically put. A product. Knows her ingredients plain cozening gradients are products to the details of products as a scientist at the w.g. The Environmental Working Group a research and advocacy nonprofit based in Washington d.c. When it comes to cosmetics their mission is to tell us what's safe to use the coldness of what companies claim or governments do stipulates because it's one thing if your point is Lee overpriced moisturiser doesn't live up to its claim of diminishing fine wrinkles but quite another that could actually be bad for your health. Before products hits the shelves does a least have to prove that it's safe no not in the us that's a certain and has proved nothing the f.d.a. Has banned abode it does in the greedy and personal care products the European Union on the other hand has more than a. Huh. Can. But with all this indulgence of superficial beauty puppets to a business that preys off our insecurities let's close with something a little less skin deep. Close your eyes from your sacred and melts into the words of James Blunt and the voice of Richmond's the built up. Model often broomed model Opus Peele. I saw him as a role. Of Doc I'm sure your smock knew longer some poor she was with another man but all those Snoop Dogg. I'll call upon. You you are beautiful you are beautiful you are beautiful. Destroyer. If for some reason you won't say build a loss James. He's all over peeps he sounds without Richmond. Thanks to Michael Howard I haven't felt like this for a long time concretes on the quiet. Winter Roundtree from the juice listening to the carnie and Gloria all hell Kyle is made by Tomic productions for the b.b.c. For me to. 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George the public is here spoken word artist award winning podcast creator of have you heard George's podcast 2nd series out now on b.b.c. Sounds good t.v. Ads and everything George how are you how you know he's good to see great really good very good group Oh come on do you ever take me to him make me blush. Are remember coming to a room at the Albert Hall. To come and see a young man everyone was going mad about come onto a stage it's a special place it's a special night what do you remember of that night. I remember I have an opportunity to express myself in a way that I hadn't done before prior to that many existed in visual form on You Tube or occasionally on t.v. If I had my own show to kind of present as much of myself as possible is great and it was a busy audience I mean there were some faces in it and I was looking around and I kind of felt like the hype was justified but did the hype worry you because there was so much excitement and still is you know b.b.c. Doing t.v. Ads for a podcast with you at the center of it does that worry you know when you were 1st coming through actually not when you 1st coming through because when you 1st going through like you said it was new to you but at that point were in the Royal Albert Hall in one of those is a beautiful room there. So for me I guess I'd meant I'd meditated on this for many years before I arrived in this position and I kind of calculated the best contribution I can made to British society would be to be a public figure that had an artistic career that would be able to generate conversation so if you commit yourself to that kind of path when it comes you embrace it and embrace it you have thankfully thankfully all of us. Also though meditating on that but if you also meditated on being let through being let through the gate. And being used as someone. To put forward to say look this is a meritocracy is it people of color or people from housing estates they can get through yeah and that in itself can be perpetuating a myth because I've discussed this before so yeah America and I've been on a journey and that conversation at times of almost sleep walked into that thinking back when I came from my estate and go into Cambridge I was so sick of the streets and the self destructive elements of the streets and coupled with that was a lack of information about why we ended up where we were as a community economically and politically so with my personal frustrations from the hood and the lack of information about our history I. Held a lot of people around me personally responsible for some of the outcomes that were perpetuating negative cycles and word documented in our rap music but fortunately going to university having some distance from the community for the 1st time in my life and also studying social a g i gave me the opportunity to look on a broader level at the structural. Incentives that create the behavior that you see on the street level in schools and other areas of our life of public life so that that invited me to rethink my position and realize that obviously an anomaly and there are reasons that. The journey that I've been fortunate to have is not commonplace. What is your pushback to the people who have choices people make choices people blame structures when actually they had a personal decision they could have made. To do a good thing or to do a bad thing or choice is not an exact science none of us fully understand choice and agency and why 2 kids in the same family with the same parentage and arguably the same opportunities or have different outcomes yet we all recognise that people are different everyone's individual we understand that what tends to happen is when conversations around. On inequality reach the public space people like to project their own feelings onto conversations that really need to be handled with research respect. Almost a scientific different distance you need to you need to really take the challenge seriously if you want to understand it but I think I don't think that that that understanding is taken for granted across a society I think people feel like the fact that they have had a life and that life is experience that they have been able to explain to themselves in a particular way people for that qualifies them to speak about life in general yes yes well that comes across quite clearly when you meet someone who has achieved against the odds and then tells everybody else that they should do the same thing you know why aren't they doing the same thing. You know that I've been conscious of that from my career because I was so angry as a young man my. My sentiment was more towards who I saw as the perpetuators of violence and crime in my area and rappers in general and I was very much like. You guys know we're all from the same place you know that when we were kids we needed odors who were doing things differently from how you're doing then you're just replicating the behaviors of the same or the guys that created a lot of destruction in our community so if you know and I know why are we not taken the future of our young people and of our society into our own hands and while we so quick to talk about the institutional forces against us but over time you know I see my friends going for the criminal justice system for a victim to drug addiction and all of these different. Pitfalls and you just realize like this is this is bigger than individual choice man. Is Big Yeah no doubt I mean no time no doubt and backed up by data I mean that's that's the thing these aren't just opinions than this is so so deep now I've found a source of frustration for up my life is that even though the data speaks to these challenges and you can see it in. The Blue story that got that we were just discuss in all of the the dismal outcomes that are suffered by my community across various aspects of British life whether the Us mental illness. Susceptibilities or mental illness complications of childbirth among black women there's more outcomes in the criminal justice system the fact that employment is double for black people but is for all white counterparts you can see all of these statistics but there is no institutional. Cross institutional cross sectional commitment to. Really get into the bottom of this and trying to pull together all one coherent narrative about what is going on with this group of people is tacitly taken for granted that these are the outcomes that people can expect because we must be uniquely and irrevocably irrevocably problematic. Do you feel that anger is a useful energy to have or do you think it is a destructive thing to have. It can be applied usefully and if you learn to master it can improve your character in a lot of ways but buyout. Just restraint strength resilience. Respect If you have to wake up with a burning anger every single day of your life and you're in an emotionally be abusive dynamic with the state in which your play isn't recognised and which the historical factors leading to your situation have not been acknowledged or apologized for. If you have to deliver that every single day. What is required of you is a higher level of dignity you have to conduct yourself with a level of patience and. Optimism and hope that is necessary to stop you again having these mental illness outcomes or ending up in jail because. Your. Your emotional process has spilled out into as clashed with the status quo in a way that again the state the country the public conversation maybe refuses to recognize or is unable to recognize Do you think that if you hadn't been to Cambridge you'd be where you are now do you think you could have got to this place you're at now without having been part of that most institution have academic institutions that it's hard to say but. I guess it's a roundabout way saying what doors that open. Let me cut to the heart of that question by saying I love the fact that I went to Cambridge before I went to Cambridge I went to a grammar school all of this is discussed on my part cos it is. I went I benefited from a great relationship with the English language for all my life from the age of 3 years old I remember been commended for my ability to read and articulate myself and I just love this country I love the institutions and the secure is created I love the rule of law from the majority of us I love. I love the the liberties and rights that we enjoy and I also recognise that it took hundreds of years of fighting the people versus the powers that be that is the only thing that enabled a parliament in which we can hold to an extent we can hold our leaders to account and we can vote them out if they're not doing a good job that fundamental privilege is a beautiful thing that I've been able to witness up close as a result of living in this country and I wish that for people around the world. However those advantages have been won in many cases and maintained and propelled on the back of the exploitation and the extraction and the destruction of other societies and all quickly problematically for me my parish happened to come from one of those societies show me yeah of course from Uganda Yeah so let's tell you about the leaf to watch and how important that is especially in your formative years let's talk about. Your favorite subject . As it should be as it should be How important was her belief in. My mom's belief in me both of my parents my dad was there the whole time he was amazing he was a rock I don't want to know him is just an apology yes I heard her voice exactly as the thing yeah is just a few Yes and I quote my mom a lot because she was the one with the work. But their belief in me. Just grounded my ability to make decisions independently or as independently as possible she made me. Made me. Be able to rest on the knowledge that my reasoning capabilities are sufficient to to guide me for life had a very Christian upbringing and although my spiritual journey has a vote in different directions. Constantly speak talk to me down and talk me through my different aspects of my character from a spiritual person perspective reinforce in all the magic that she saw in my eyes for like helping me of my school work and training me when she fell out of school wasn't doing a great job. Yeah that's just it's been everything it's been absolutely everything to me I love my mom and my dad beyond words so what was your dad's contribution if he was a man of few words president's presence is just can't express how calming it is to this day is like my favorite thing to be told I look like my dad you know to be aware of who he is and to have that connection and his energy and his perspective as well he's a man of few words but when he does speak he means it he gave me a book a couple of years ago. For Christmas called Why Nations Fail and it's like that book has articulated things I have into it it for years and that it would have been impossible for me to explain for myself just things about the condition of our people of Africa of poor countries of rich countries and the nature of the world and that that book has been so integral to my personal development that it just speaks a lot to my dad's understanding of His Son that's fascinating was it a he is there it up but just growing up in the generation I grew up in a lot of my friends they didn't have that's around so when you say his presence alone. Do you mean it in many ways but do you also I mean in looking around at some of your friends and there just weren't dads there unfortunately I didn't mean it that way but that was one of I try and count every hour trying count how many does there were on our estate which houses about 4000 people in my social group of course I could count. I think the highest I've ever reached is 9 in my social group 99 of your friends had access to a present father on earth they had access but I mean a dad that I knew of later on in life on a lot among them had fathers in neighboring estates but again as you hear my podcast they are in a life that became very problematic because of territorial conflict can even go visit a family in some cases So not only was he present your father and he intuitively he got you yammer on just handing that book to you he knew what a gift he was giving you in that book it's so funny because when I go and spend time in Uganda chill with his friends a lot that is cool I just love his love his circle and they always joke about me being a poet full of words the complete opposite of mother. Reza own poetry you know even himself but definitely that him just giving me that book said a lot about the things that go on inside his mind and how he processes my journey people who are of little word specially of our parents' generation of my parents are older than yours little words mean that that space is filled up with actions and they believe more in actions than words different love languages Yes Yes yours is words and actions presumably the words have to lead to actions because otherwise they are just words and people of your parents or your father's ilk. They don't trust people with too many words around. Me growing up in the community that I did with the frustrations of rap music man the bittersweet double edged sword of rap music in which our situation is articulated However sometimes I could articulate it in a way that is circular in a way that is self destructive in a way that revels in the damage and in a way that lines people's pockets gets people paid but doesn't lead to an economic transformation on the scale that I think is necessary to reverse some of our most devastating outcomes having grown up under that I'm not with words for word sic be you know any words to facilitate action Chuck d. Once said you sing as a spineless as you sing your senseless songs to the mindless your general subject love is minimal is sex for profit. Chuck the use I said to me once when I interviewed him if you keep talking about the darkness the darkness won't go away right and this is the other thing a lot of the articulation of our situation I love things that rhyme. A love that has been done to an expert level by a generation before us Chuck these and the nurses of the world and the 2 parts of the world did a great job in establishing an ideological foundation or let's say a new academic tradition for us to conceptualize what we now know as the hood so if they did such a good job why would I just repeat or rehash the ground that they've already covered they did that so that I'd be able to take that intellectual basis and build Samani something in the way of solution so talking of solutions when you go and speak to school kids from similar environments to that which you grew up in how do you get the balance right of saying you can be me while also explaining to them the barriers that will stop people becoming you without putting them off from becoming you now I just do it with the pod cast right to the podcast after the show you how it feels to face these obstacles but to address yourself to the future that's what I really want the generation after me to expect of themselves I don't want them to expect that the best they can do is talk about the situation and try make some money from talking about the situation and then when they make their own money just secure the immediate future of themselves and their families I want them to know that they can think on a broad level on the widest scale possible about what we are going for and how they are uniquely positioned unique clear advantage to uniquely equipped to find some solutions at what point did you begin to understand your worth in. Passing the entrance exam to the grammar school getting into Cambridge These are great questions when I became a rapper because I became a rapper at the time I was doing much easier Cs and 100 was the Alpha I became a bit because I was a serious g.c.s.e. Candida and vice versa and you understood that link Yeah I'll think you could come in and around but studying is taking away from so that his interest in story I go internally suspended which meant that I had to stay in the head's office. Sometime in the a 10 for just as I'm silly and again it went back the reason I did what I did went back to my emotional process at the time and my inability to articulate it and what I felt like was a suffocation of like a cultural suffocation. In where I was at as a 15 year old young man that's when I really felt that's when I was at the height of feeling like society was looking at me funny and they were as when I started getting harassed by the police. My friends started dying and. So on and drugs So anyway I got myself in a situation that got me internally suspended and I was just bored out of my mind set and in the office but at the same time I had all of this work school coursework to catch up on. So being in the office I caught up on the work but then being bored I started writing more raps and the work started spinning into my rap I remember I had a lyric Wes's on about whatever day I like about it I think up a new flow in the time a sprinter burns a calorie is not like my boss can sum a salary I've got tricks up my sleeve is worse than Halloween the person I started rhyming very intricately and those it was a novel that like I said my 1st 2 bars will set the scene so vividly for the next 14 to bless the beat so look so lyrically than from a 16 so Liqui I was just this was all English literature read and I was doing the use of simile and metaphor instill in the Queen so I loved being able to cross pollinate the stuff I when I went out when I went out into the streets and started rapping these raps I was I was received all celebrated everyone loved it street guys that would a really and they would deny the relationship of education that I did but they vicariously experienced it for me he knows what it's you know the mission you know and ever since I came to as a poet I kept getting this question of did your you know journey in education a time in Cambridge alienate you from your community did they not it's just such a misconception of what we actually want as would everyone would be in Cambridge if they thought it was this but they are books for some people that only ever felt like they have a space in that area through me over the likes of me and they just if they could they would have. You know again those benefits and their lives bought for structural reasons which again are not kept on the forefront of the public discourse. Just wasn't possible for them to exist and it's been such a pleasure to catch up with you it doesn't happen often enough for the pleasure been mine thank you so much that was being rude me know how now it's always good to speak to George. Other than that way can people find out more about the gigs that you're doing live performances except for George you know you can follow me on everything I do as the poet will support. Them and I'm here you hear a lot of good speech you judge take care of a friend thanks for listening and if you enjoyed that remember to subscribe so you never miss an episode that for some reason you have to listen to my b.b.c. Radio 5 Live show I'm not judging you you can do is to name 1 pm Monday to Thursday or catch from b.b.c. Sounds just search for a new hall off Annika. Yes well that you find it. 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