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You of course is all one to me how do you know not just carry on film No no I don't know who you are Oval Office like area say about Carry On films tell you all the news here because that's the kind you know he can speak not for just a minute but for about 5 but I said to him deviation no repetition he can he's the Sri Lankan American Kenneth Williams I think I would agree with that yeah deviated was. One of. 3 friends and maybe you don't have a clue about the no I already thinking Han. Well as Tim said you're worth waiting for you take your time keep thinking will wait will we thinking hard about why you not here with us in the studio that's what we're thinking on about specially because I am counting on you and I mean mean a territory you are in mean a territory I want to buy you. But I'm. She's a push out of. This course he's wearing really nice see you would you give the thumbs up to the Prince of Wales check with a light blue check you know and do a light breeze blue stripe across a very nice looking very natty I must say but then and I'm a scone stain and I'm over because the wife she's doing a half marathon on Sunday in the main only hot in London parks that's enough I know is more than enough for me you get to the end of this you know it's like she's fit enough to do another one it's extraordinary brilliant and we're in a hotel on the High Street Kensington so I was wandering around so that I was going to die and I was wondering thinking I wonder if Maine is round here we're. You should have given me it was Ok Was it found ice but you know in the street you little bit. Just after a long. And I completely forgot to reply I just I had one of those we didn't do nothing when we made him you know any and then I would have made my own made sure I was there and now. It's definitely a little bit that you have been told so late what you would tell before me. And no way. You know where their priority lies anyway with regards to the World Football phone in which is the reason that we are all convening as always. The morning at this time lots of questions from both of you this one straight away from Tom in Thailand with the international weekend upon us and in a time when countries seem keener than ever to build walls and put up barriers who are the great his immigrants who have played in your region buy him a good I mean a player moving to and representing a new nation keep up the extra work Tim go to well I think that's that's much more one for 4 mania and then it is for me you and I our big immigration in South America came in the late 19th century in the early 20th century when on Italy pureeing in for me to the New York supporters are these and honestly they are speaking Spanish with Italian internation It's an Italian city some Paolo's a very very tiny city a reception is terrorism tonight is there is a Brazilian of Italian origin from from the city of San Paulo there hasn't been mass immigration since there was Portuguese immigration to Brazil. In the fifty's and sixty's and push was involved in those very bloody colonial wars and a lot of Portuguese they were running away from military service and ended up ended up in Brazil to do that they like it they say. Yeah yeah and one of those is I think the father is a car Zico he's And that's why he's eco because he's often and he might offer to. Little Arthur Laffer it would in normal Brazilian Portuguese be our toes emu But the Portuguese these are 2 Zico So that's why when I remember asking. This is more than 20 years ago now what's Brazil secret and he said you know today's It's immigration because look what we've got here we've got Africa we've got it Salie we've got that and we all put it together remark in a groovy 5 or no one else has ever give me that response because he's a son of an immigrant he sees that we're great clarity so being over here. Well there's so much to speak of I think that if you think of the 2 countries in Europe they're really benefited from and the creation and sort of the presence of foreign players you'd have to look at France and Germany and would Germany they have a lot of ties when it when it's come to Turkey as an example. They've suffered through that recently with them as it goes on and on the political level and that's been problematic recently but before that you know you have it had Polish players as well who are present in the German national team and. I think the the one that stands out to me is obviously France and there's obviously and it's their own creation from Africa one of them is the Algerian national team we were going through I I don't know if I'm observing about this before but if you look at it and the players that have come to represent Ron's from the likes of Senate and down. To obviously and. And more recently it's mother is Algerian as well and that's been a huge benefit to them I think it's obviously they're. Actions with. Algeria the country and. What's happened with them in North Africa has so many of their peers now who have moved to France and live there all their lives have come to represent the French national team that's a great documentary a show on Netflix with Karim Benzema who talks about the identity of all of that I think it's a wonderful watch and about you know like the areas that they grew up in and I spoke a lot about it as well when it came to how many tucks alleyways wondered why they they've come to church they came to choose for example the German national team and not to represent Turkey because unlike some of the countries that is quite a successful team and I have the successful league that is often watched by a lot of journalists I get coverage and it's not a forgotten country when it comes to football and a lot of them said you know they just felt indebted to the fact that they grew up in the German way and they've learnt how to play football and German schools so they would never really represent anyone even though all of them felt very Turkish at the time with Italy you I think of those I knew of a been any any an outsider as well not actually Italian one thing is it's weird necessarily been Argentina Mario come on uneasy is the most famous one he obviously lifted the World Cup with Italy in 2006 a great player. And otherwise I can't think of that when it comes to Spain or Portugal this resilience with Spike my mark or Senna was I mean there midfield when when I 1st started winning things. As well is Brazilian and of Portugal. So you you've had that with with but otherwise when it comes to the country and know. That thing of loyalty I think is interesting you talk about some of the the Germans of Turkish origin of the Belgians are of course right well yeah go on after a while feeling German I think it's a tribute to the European welfare states because. Perhaps it's a conception that this is a country that has invested in them in some way I think that's part of the rational as I should of of GIGO cost of the Brazilian who ended up turning out for spine at center forward he was called up for but I think there are 2 factors behind his decision to defect because he played for Brazil in friendlies. Only in friendlies means that you're still free to choose It's only when you play a competitive international that you've burned your bridges I think it would suit factors One was that Brazil caught him up when Scolari was a coach didn't give him a chance and dropped him so I think he felt put out by the coach but the other was well you know Brazil didn't really give me very much I've come to spine of my life in spine I think that that's part of it as well there's a there is it's a rationalization but there is a desire to give some kind of retribution so to a country that has given him opportunity it's interesting because I feel like there's a difference when you speak to those those who come to represent the German national team and the ones who have chosen to come in and represent the French national team I don't necessarily think while they're all very proud of their choice I feel like there isn't as much of. Even then I think they're more French as play is perhaps they're going up in France you know like say whatever it is but I don't necessarily know whether they feel so great volleyball they think it's the right choice in the same way as some of those have Germany at least from my it's on my is that because the German the Germans are prefer to preserve more of a welfare state than the French have. Yeah I wonder if that's what it is because I'm trying to think about it ways like with Belgium as well seem very quite you know so I wondered what it was so there is a difference as well when footballers see themselves as not being migrants or the children of Margaret's see themselves as being you know whenever I see and I know it's a buyers I can't shake off whenever I see. A black player playing for mixed heritage player playing for Germany you know I was a little bit taken aback at 1st and then of course you know Kevin Prince boating or whatever it is but he's German so why should he be favored Germany rather than he's the son of an immigrant from Germany part of it's parts of the new journey Ange is just exactly how do you feel about adopting the other way around so with your nephew who has declared that if everything goes right for him and is still punch a time frame of course there is if he would rather play for Nigeria than England I don't know he's ever been to Nigeria it's a romantic thing yet if you find that touching or you find it naive you know I'll tell you what a foreigner I think it's a testament to the way he's been brought up I think there's. There are kids who I know the wouldn't play for their. Historical heritage because. That parent from the Heritage wasn't around for the you know. My younger brothers for very very much although my younger brother his firm is actually British born here in England but nevertheless we were brought up with a bit more yeah Nigerian heritage I think all of that comes into lots of questions again 3 Let me read out some of the fan mail from men and he says. You are part of the furniture of the office you guys. Are good I think that's a compliment and. Can contain my excitement this is from hand and can contain my excitement to have the willful phone in live for the 1st time because the night shift is done me right they like to have you with us. To give us a call 108599693 I always forget to say if you do want to join in the world will find in the secure phone number and email to us up all night b.b.c. U.k. Will call you back as well Kevin sorry this is a this is one I was going to last I have to ask actually because our listener takes it back to last week this is all well he says. The belated belatedly listens last Friday's wealth will find you know the subject of players marketing themselves and I was surprised that Tim or anyone else didn't mention the player who swapped the Brazilian 3rd Division for the Welsh Premier League in the late nineties via the Internet. And I did the Brazilian 3rd Division or the Welsh Premier League at the top of my list of stories to be covered Jimmy I'm sorry a junior who became the 1st Brazilian but you probably say you know you got any easier now that he's the. Junior for. Presuming to play football or Wells Yeah he went on from Brazil and went off a huge feature on him in the past 2 weeks or so you may have noticed an increasing number of television shows and comprised of footage from previous World Cups as in that tradition I've dug into our cars for my World Cup special fittingly enough the story every principal ambitious Brazilian junior who left his home in San Paolo So it's time for a football future in Mid Wales was originally written as an end when so much the best mission of ambition was going to the Welsh Premier League Why not Joe with us in Cincinnati you know Joe how you get how are you guys very well fed you sound as if you'll stay closer to us the meeting or is yeah. Yeah. Yeah well that's it and that we have a good connection and technology you obviously not calling from Nigeria. 0 will Brazil by the way you know I think I think I'm pretty low frankly Brazil win of your dog choose All right you know yeah yeah were you thinking circumstances you're on a. Great show the rules will you. Call thanks life I've called him before a couple times and it's always great to be back on the show. Last time I called it a shout out to Mike but he only actually introduced me to the show so I wanted to do that again because he's getting married this month. I wanted to give him a special shout out and say congratulations cuz Unfortunately I'm not to be able to attend but somewhere in the race I'm fixing him a song for you. Oh I'm sure you would absolutely love that I'm not a guy we need home fans you should have been me. Posing in the ghost as well I was going to go with yellow man's version of I'm getting married in a monitoring but then I thought then I thought we should really go for the Big Book has wedding you know the big book his wedding. And that. One charm for you for you to moment. Is wedding. But your friend should listen to what every does but do remember the holy last August and give a shout out to him so well done you proper friend thank you thank you yes that the question I have actually involves my my master's dissertation so I'm in the process of putting that together and the topic that I decided to write it on was a promotion relegation in the us and instituting that here and so. The question I have for the panelists and forgive me if this is been discussed. It sounds like a great question a road word but I would like to know what the panelists think are the major benefits of promotion relegation in their regions so the basis of my my thesis is that I believe competition. Is excitement and interest improves the level of play and provides meaningful games but. I'm curious to hear what their take is on it. Yeah what is your argument on this the thing is and I was promoting your number one again saying yes you're trying to me yes so I'm arguing arguing for it that it should be implemented here. Ok and this conversation both of you be minded that this is for a decision so no freedom for those who. Say you never will vote and so please. I think you should go. First I must solve the question coming in as soon as judge decides you know tell us about the question I'm going to so I generally want to have the answer to this is well what do you mean. I can imagine of all the football inventions are new information. That is what we're arguing I feel like I'm missing something and it's right yeah yeah Ok yeah yeah. Yeah so it's obviously it's not instituted here in the in the u.s. Right so Major League Soccer there's no within the soccer structure in United States there is no promotion relegation However I personally believe that we we have the depth of infrastructure and even potential infrastructure to to implement it here and to have it be successful. Yes but you run in yeah but we run into a lot of. I guess blocks or however you want to phrase that because you know m.l.s. Is single and so therefore you have ownership groups they're invested heavily you know they have to pay expansion fees to get into the league and they don't want to lose their money it feels very money focused verses maybe sporting Ok Ok so that's kind of my argument the argument I'll say what I'm going to invite both of you mean and Tim to join in this conversation think of it as a thesis now and Viva vote and one of you got be the professor and the other one being the student but don't let the other just get away with Exactly it's a fascinating guy but we're all students of Mina although I'm going to have a go at her in this one 0 I agree with all of your points about competition meaningful games tension and I would throw in an extra one Joe which is opportunity you give through to through the through the mechanism of promotion you give the smaller the same the opportunity to grow and become a bigot saying you take that out of football and you lose something very very vital but I think here in your discussion in the United States we are exactly in the full line that professional football walks between being culture and being a business and one of the aspects of culture. The mean is capitalist mights high rate is uncertainty. And the possibility of losing in the possibility of losing status and losing revenue and it seems to me in the States I understand firstly that you don't have it as part of your sporting culture and secondly with those who were initially were putting their money in there was perhaps some need to safeguard their investment but surely this becomes a time when the the cons out why the pros when you are denying other teams smaller teams the opportunity to become bigger teams and when you are allowing mediocrity not to be punished if you let capitalists run a business they will just change that they will make everything a cartel and that seems to me what you have in the United States a cartel and I can't believe that that the preservation of no no promotion relegation is in the best interests of development of the sport. Always I mean I had a professor isn't between us and I think that's a great point of saying and I think there it's strange because I think the American sports are always the best government and you always feel like everything is Will and genuine and perhaps sometimes when you what Europeans feel for you or you get angry at things and you're not sure what's going on and I also think that's competence and I think the beauty of relegation and of the shooting you see there's a lot more. I would say in one of the Premier League so much everyone follows the championship for the level of football they think it's a lot more exciting these days than the Premier League that's been dominated by munch this is you know before but what you get with promotion and relegation especially nowadays is these teams that you find are getting their times to prove themselves because they've got good coaching because they've got good management because they've managed to create stability and they may not have the biggest fans who have the group they may not come from the biggest city or turn on in the country but you'll see that innovation tactical innovation management innovation is what makes this live and they are the reason behind that I knew what always happens is that the top guys is a manager or is an owner who understands how to delegate when it comes to kind of business or people who treat football like it's a company this is been a huge topic of conversation recently and it's really because I don't know if you've heard about obviously mean I'm going to all of these problems because that they're being run by a vulture funds obviously and that and and there's just this talk of the fact that you know Edward would again comes from emanate he's a hero on a football on on a financial level he's a hero of many people I know who grew up in banking and who thinks he's a master at creating the best deals but it's one thing to have that ability to run a business and one thing to understand what football really is and what it requires in order to to succeed but and this is where you have to. Let Sometimes the small guys show you what they're very good at and they may not have the degrees will they mean or have the Harvard education or whatever it is that they know how to run a football club that they understand the emotions of a football club what is required and that is what creates innovation innovation then helps your national team I think on a national team level that is the most important thing when you leave it becomes one that is obsessed with Captain isn't the last thing that solves this for me is always the national team and that's when you start only buying play is when it starts becoming you know let's create money to do this and then you don't really going to lose touch with the grassroots and then you lose touch with his ability to innovate and evolve and that is what's important about keeping it sort of promotion relegation and hopefully not too obsessed with money. Can I add something that neither of these 2 undergraduate I would have I do I promise say yeah it's a sign for there is another element which is jeopardy jeopardy. You see for a football fan. The love of the game is about the highs in the lows and there's nothing sweeter obviously then succeeding then we winning. Than winning the league but sharing all year by arguably the sweetest thing of all is about being promoted particularly when your great his rivals are being demoted at. Now does that mean that when shown get relegated 2 consecutive seasons at Double Jeopardy yes. We did get relegated so you could say thank you for reminding us all of that he put it all on the spot Well no I haven't quite put the ball on this well I was going to reference a. Sunderland fan when Sunderland were in the Premier League Newcastle were in the Premier League this young boy who couldn't be more about 89 years old he said I don't care where Sunderland come in the league Reza long is Newcastle are below us yeah and they're in the bottom 3 and they get ready gates and that's one of the joys of being a football fan if you don't have that joy if you have that if you're deprived of that joy of the jeopardy and also. I don't know I think that way of. Not knowing is not something that he is not nice when I think I feel like it's only when you know it really mean that the probably the greatest games of football are the ones towards the end of the season when one of the teams has got to survive in that league I see them raise their levels beyond every single season we had commentators saying if they played like this from the beginning of the season they wouldn't be in the position they're in now to be relevant read again and yes it's a question that we want to ask you raise is the game to a level of you know is unimaginable and. You lose the quality of even for that small period towards the end of the season if there's no jeopardy of being relegated there's both sides of the coin being promoted honestly we got promoted this season and almost cried me a grown man I couldn't watch it on t.v. So I was lying in my bed listening to it and most of the covers over my head and I promise you. I almost cried when it happened I wanted to cry because that's what I've been through the whole season it's not the same thing if you take away the Grandmaster Flash and if you respond the fact. Which is that is like a jungle sometimes it is not going to like you from going to. The white light you come on if you can't go undone then the jungle ain't a sign very good point very good. You can see that car broken glass everywhere people being on the streets like they just carry I think that sums it up very well Joe would you reckon. Yeah absolutely amazing thank you thank you very much love the show so. Just one more thing just one more thing you know that this is well what will phone in we've begun so we may as well finish this is for your mate he's getting married Ok. The man keeps saying we'll take this woman to be your. Not innocent thing and no more we can't afford a little gallop. I know that I know the limits and they made me want to sit down and. Let the boys in letting my. Legs got along until things are as dumb I don't think this is a. Good. But all me oh me oh moment and this into the woods with a big buffer very carefully because you start thinking about noble running around with the girls and all of that yeah anyway no more police shooting in the room with the boys if I take you from abroad but those say that you are being sentenced to prison. Room. For a life. I'm sure Johnny Cash was singing about this in his fulsome prison blues gig anyway that's it Joe thank you very much rooted for a show that thinks we're all sentimental caught up any time in which she will make me do all the best Actually it is rational play that record is all full of me wasn't is terrible but great you're going to play another one which was alone if you want to be happy you found there has to be don't make a break too long and you know why I do not go and go carol singing. What about the rest of them frightened of you. And I'm not going to marry you when I'm you know there's a record by the console's from the I think it's nearly. You know the 1st I look at the purse one part of woman you know look at 1st I look at the. Following romantic sentiments it's great that we finally got meaning to do something great join the club mean that Ok more talk football talking about 200-808-5909 extension 63 is not to go about joining the late is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live news we've told mostly on digital b.b.c. Sound. Is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live police in Manchester say they're stepping up patrols in the city following yesterday's knife attack at the shopping center a 40 year old man arrested on suspicion of terror fences is now being held under the Mental Health Act. 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And on Sunday Scotland the considering legal action against world rugby over that under threat World Cup much with Japan they're waiting to find out if the crucial game can go ahead on Sunday Captain Greg Laidlaw says it's been a very strange situation to be and certainly different from you know to on all of the Lotus Marcion as Persian We can only control control the libertarian approach as well that well all things being well it will be for the child the wiser island need a bonus point win over some hour in the final pool much in the morning to guarantee a quarter final sponte can hear that game right here on 5 Live from 11 45 am in the premiership cup Bath came back from 24 nil down to be glanced at 2624 Len stor of one the 3rd pro 14 game on the spin after beating Adam breast 4014 it keeps them joint top of their conference with cheetahs who beat Munster at a red coats Richard Cockrell says they gave lands to too many chances although good saw it and they deserved to win and we weren't good enough tonight week we had our opportunities and probably more disappointed that we didn't school 44 Trust me we could have easily schooled 4 or 5 draws we created of which it is but you if you give them cheap field position let them into your Hof and we let them into up into a half too easily through an ill disciplined also win in the profile team for conduct of a dragon's Leeds Rhinos winning completed a Super League and Challenge Cup double after beating councils the Tigers 2012 in the grand final tonight on 5 live Sport from 6 will have commentary of St Helens versus sulphide in the men's Grand Final and the former world heavyweight champion Tyson Fieri will face Brawn Stroman at a w w event in Saudi Arabia on the 31st of October that's the latest from b.b.c. Sport I am the ocean was she was. Credible guys do you think pushing. For a break for 60. 5 life. Is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on the b.b.c. Sound. Which you can football in Europe and South America players from over there playing in alleys I can't believe that nobody has reference the headline of the morning in most newspapers using the same headline which is the reality check with regards to England's Euro qualify with the Czech Republic we lost 21 by the way for those of you who are England fans and I'm sure many could talk about that as well but 1st let's go to Russell in Enfield Hello Russell how you hello Hornet How you doing Tolson Very well thanks very much would a better atmosphere in your dolls that sounds Ok December really close to us which is fantastic I always finish new phone system or something I think that I. Can Stand away from the fine if it's easy I'm not going to. Tell you while you're talking Also I'll supply the crackle Sam Ok. I've gotten a little question a clue takes isn't it but come on just Austin 1st as a Spurs fan what his favorite song answers following story more than 3 steps ahead and 4 year old. Or 33 songs a lady. Well there are. Some how can you be upright I'm fine living in Enfield you well it's not you know. What I'm going up to quite a while now but I'm from that area remaining is a no tribalism she. Isn't that I do like to ignore the rules and I'm going Friday because I'm going for that. It's a cracking tune as Absolutely. Now that the question I have actually is for both mean aren't. Are No tins mentioned a couple times in the past about the late great Peter Jones commentator who on a massive fan of from the past in fact I used to as a kid have to go to bed early and when it comes to football needs to listen under the covers with their phones on and it was there was Mr Jones himself who is the main protagonist of telling us how the games were going and he used to say things like and the ball goes out onto the far side of the field it is picked up in space by Peter Beardsley. Some reason I remember that line he just made it meant something as well as that was magic and he's leaving his coat comments I was Brian Butler It was brilliant as well as our community birds and his voice and I remember during the World Cup in Brazil me and me among bonded over that find sassy comments for you know Brian Butler does for the goal that mattered on a school against the 2nd goal not a 1st one and only little and really unlikely to leave you or any picks up a main Some with a you know a marathoner and that's why you got it on it is the greatest player in the world it is absolutely brilliant spellbinding I think mouth we have some good commentators now but I don't think we've got anybody quite at that alter Now class to take leave the radio so what my question to you guys was going to be who are the seminal commentators should we say of the past in your regions as far back as you can remember but also how is the culture changed particularly radio commentary is there a lot of difference in terms of the way it's changed because in England Aussie with the t.v. Jonathan Pearce was somebody who sort 'd of changed the fashion of commentary here and in radio terms it's kind of gone and then and with that but I wonder what it was like particularly in South America and Europe as a comparison. I'm going to just start by saying that this is a question and. One that I wouldn't be able to respond to because we're not like you guys Tim especially And there's several that I've spoken to from Mark Chapman who have voiced discuss these types of things and in my head and Mike I don't want to remember a commentator because I didn't grow up sort of to one particular voice or watched a team or have seen it because I you know if you're in England supporter need lived in England and listen to this commentary then you sort of come to grips with it but I've always been in my you know watching different channels or different teams across whatever it is we were showing the the game one of the team it is that I've never really had found and I didn't. Hear you saying we're going to basically crossties on a plane are. Getting old radios or never listen to a game says it's so nice I must be the only thing that you never know because with the didn't there's really no age difference but I haven't even listened to a game on radio I've always only ever watched it on t.v. And it will always be with somebody whose voice I most likely won't remember I can remember different moments but I think of them hilarious and watching football but I've never had that ability to be like oh he you know I mean I love that voice mindfully of something I never had and football. Currently read I wonder if there is any commentates is when he lines commentaries is. Stuck out for you I think the only one that I will always remember who is just and I think that is more of an emotional moment and it was as I pound of fat you know kind of arrow and it was the wild Cup 2006 and you just there was this Spanish commentator who I'm. I think it was punched commentator one. Can. Manage to hit the ball out twice and the 3rd time it's basically got it out cleared it entirely and it was just this magical moment of defense and you're like only is like Ok got a lot of going about it and then that moment will always stick with me because it was almost like the highlight the World Cup. Barring nonsense and obviously you know when you go when you listen to it and in commentators and I don't understand it I mean very well if it's just them going crazy and screening it's the same if you have to watch something on on be in it's in the number language and and you have no idea what's being said and so I've never really grown up to that one moment that I'm going to go I love it when they say that now when I watch for example that you're listening to Jerry Gray who I love listening to I think is a great you know he just is really calm and quiet and leaves and. I love to Robson because they feel like you know it can always tell his emotions when he's talking about a team I know which teams he likes and which teams he doesn't simply from listening for his comments but I don't otherwise have like. What Tim has when he discusses it all of that understanding of it that I I just don't. Let's bring the Christy in. In South America especially the tradition of radio is vitally important because it was radio that spread the game all over you now in our country the game was a national institution before radio and radio kind of piggybacked on the game but in South America right now did a lot some make the going to create a market for the game so the radio commentary on the radio style of commentary is very important I think including in the way that they they approach to t.v. One of things I've been doing a bit of commentary more color comes an actual commentary and one of the things I think is so hard is to speak as fast as the action is happening at vital moments which is why I think that Brian Butler think that while it's happening he is describing it and putting the emotion and getting the town ality his voice absolutely perfect in real time that's really really hard and a lot of that the South Americans are masters of the voice the brilliant with the voice I love there's a thing that they do where and and he picks out of all of it to find out the goalkeeper and puts the ball in the back and I love that change of voice for you know. About as doing it for a reason they're doing it for easy but it's a little bit of dancing it's brilliant but one thing that is very strong about this and again talking to my Brazilian colleagues who do this and Argentine colleagues who do this. In our culture there is I think an attempt maybe this is changing over recent years I don't know that there is an attempt to try and preserve neutrality or some kind of neutrality My favorite example of this is it's all in Australia when it's the last place for the $998.00 World Cup It's a playoff between Iran and Australia Australia coach by Terry Venables and Australia there is signed sealed and delivered but right at the last gasp Iranian score and you're struggling common sight it's just like that's our city. Oh no not now not it was easy. And then you can kind of hear the professionalism to know this this may have been a good moment for Iran so he's trying to dig himself out of it how to put himself in. With. The South Americans there is no desire to be neutral at all and this one in Argentina is really famous and what Argentina were really struggling for to get to the last World Cup and some of his comments recently is Daniel model I think is I mean somebody done some as countries which is legendary only there was one game they would they were struggling to be Venezuela or home and the last 20 minutes you just didn't bother coming citing you just like the team or for 20 minutes you know as a you know you go you know look at the you know we used to have passed the red planet sense right look at the share of rubbish you do out of this and. You know Argentine with tax and he would say are going to be bothered to watch this nonsense you just get it off his chest get out of his system I don't think we I think perhaps British commentary is becoming more parties I mean but we're going to get where they are you know locally it is definitely on say b.b.c. Sussex or listen to the wrong games or say it was very biased they want to allow. Local radio where local radio can just about get away with it by the way I will recommend one or 2 countries of commentary in Africa because Nigerian commentators it's quite funny because they they they have a way of doing it they think they should do it which is based upon old English ways of commentaries a few think about commentary in Britain from the 1970 s. That is what the Nigerian that's the default position of a Nigel I call them all this because your you know but you know they're very and he's passed the ball on and it with a Nigerian accent and and oh you know. Got the ball now and he's pushed it up for head but when it does come to the build up to a goal or the goal itself that's when they allow themselves to not necessarily be parties and but so be exuberance about it and they're reflecting really what's going on with the public is that a great illustration of the. Kind of colonialist heart aside I was told in our society 100 percent brilliant 100 percent Oh no if you read a lot of the literature that come out you know most of it not the stuff that gets published but most of the people writing in the style of Enid Blyton right whatever it might be from their own upbringing is changing that has changed talking old school what I was going to say very quickly if you will permit me just very quickly one point was when you were saying about the speed of the commentary it's the same when your presenting something that you have to read a few lines a head I read off the scripts a lot of the time so I always be reading maybe 3 or 4 words ahead of high speed people have no idea how difficult presenting is well that's just part of the natural Yeah but it's the same with commentating because they're not reading off a script they're looking at the action will 3 steps ahead of the actual point and it is a hard one but actually if you break it down just like trying to say theory 9 in a program you break it down and suddenly see how they do it I think one of the really impressive things about comments icing generally is they have to be able to do this but also they've got to have that year old child in him as well because if you haven't got that going up the game go love the game because of the game and you can sell the I can't think of any other commentator that doesn't love the game only sometimes it gets a little bit hysterical It's a one like a like a culture thing when I remember just like you know. Or here no one ever wanted to say with which team they supported and they didn't understand that because I. Wasn't like never thought anything of it and that's kind of the way it is you know you know exactly on. Time who supports Roma who supports me now but it doesn't happen in the here and I feel like a lot more of it is very reserved and it's kind of you know we have to be Bond is an uncommon whereas I've always gone back quite puzzling because over there it's like I'm now doing how do I hate this game I'm going to be so proud of that team but it doesn't mean I'm any less critical I can't do my job it's just about the way that I see things and I voice found it strange that or actually have all the impression that you don't have that and in the end I think that I think it's probably something to be applauded on what I've seen him you know Jim's own culture where there is this partisan thing of the clubs and I think it's a real it's a d. Bytes in culture which I fear is in decline because. If you rank you know keep ranking up that partisanship you just end up in endless idiotic discussions about refereeing decisions you know that see if it gets to that because then you're just weird you know you're going on and on but. There's never a right things but sometimes I wonder if there is there is a right answer if you believe that the whole world is a giant conspiracy against your club head like him but then there's some people who are not football I think I don't know I feel like I'm the harshest critic of my team but it's my team Russell you at least to know that we've had some commentary. From listeners thanks to you thanks to you as you can imagine Sorry mean to you but I interrupted you made earlier in an hour and interesting me no you didn't ever follow commentary now you. See one of our listeners says this is I enjoy this when England play Denmark in the 1970 s. Or eighty's away me things in English radio commentator remarks of an England players kick that was an inch. Pause today in particular. Daniel in fact she says I took my wife to her 1st life football match about a month ago a league match between Oxford United the team I support and go to now be my wife turned to me halfway through the 1st half and said Where's the Coventry I thought they compensated on the game but they do in t.v. I couldn't stop laughing now you could because you saw it when they ask you know was the action replay or they did you get it nowadays in football grounds you do get a bit of the action replay was a part of time you did. It a pleasure always a pleasure thank you very much thank you by the way we didn't go to school together too because when school with Russell. You know I'm not sure I'm going to sing. And this Russell you to remember because your surname would be Bullock and you can imagine we could now is true but unfortunately one wrestler Look no I'm not looking taking the mickey out of day but you can imagine what it was like a boys' school with a name and you have a brother. Is there a pair of I'm. Sorry. Russell he came a yellow card for how I for a. Yellow card for. A home based Anyway I kind of swing by and yeah yeah whatever Thanks for a really pretty straight no problem and you know where to turn out I mean to take Laurie's know what spirit is a lot of 3 steps to have and just listening and you will plainly see. Shows follows steps $12.00 and $3.00 we step one. I'm sorry if you find a good. Step. A Congress that she falls in love with you in 23 years I can't remember steps 16 step 33 she nags you today there's not a one as to one yeah. Yeah it's 170. 590 so I did that and. I said 2 or 3 words they had Yeah you go look you know later today you don't remember which station you're on not that. Busy man you're everywhere 5906 Not 3 if you get me with I always got one in the back pocket there were about oh let's stop talking amongst ourselves while even mean around his gums I should say yeah if you get a shattered Yeah I can't change anything I can use Yeah did you fancy doing that mean it doesn't take 3 minutes to get that yeah just about. Fundaments I did Dawson who said there's no loft or for the wicked and Jesus I didn't either of you now think that let me. I mean well make. Jones says presumably you G.'s the need blights install of commentating as well if the guy was a famous 5 aside who very good that's not bad for this time of the morning. Yeah oh what would you say about the England match versus Czech Republic may not turn out much of that you saw wedding to go wrong. I think it was the same they started off with. Your words don't want to that but what I watched was that they played with force are you talking players. And then you had Jordan Henderson. And I think it was rice alongside him and I just felt like they had too much ground to cover I don't know if anyone remembers what I remember this was when the need has been in charge of Madrid and he played the classic And I'm going to get paid it with force in field of the next Kelly Quinn's and look among all this face to it's going having And well they didn't really have the control and I didn't think that they had the balance right they got a little bit better but there was a lot of space has been created because naturally when you look at the more forward thinking than it is one that helps and she was done is there was a nucleus is do. You think it's a great thing I know I was really upset about it but I think you can learn so much from a defeat and it helps you correct the mistakes much about Atlanta now because it means always have these beautiful qualifying campaigns and then you know when the big stage happens and they are the tournament it all starts to crack but now the more losses you get in the way you learn from them I think it's actually for the benefit of the team obviously. Questioning you before you before the news do you think this is a question or statement that maybe England have almost an embarrassment of riches up front and the opposite of the back and with so many good talking point is there is a temptation to overload the front therefore exposing the back. Well yeah I guess that's what it is and I think that's why a lot of why I think that's why Southgate tries to not play the likes of Jay and James Madison before he's been reluctant to necessarily strong reason down from the front straight away in a match because I think there is that how many of you are going to give me something off the ball which he's trying to do now which is working hard with his with him. I think the team but most teams now in general if you look at Belgium the top heavy I find like most of the now a very top heavy except that it's the which is have a. Look at and it's that kind of temptation to keep going forward as long as you can manage the transitions when well which is why people often talk about you know coaches being good on on that's one thing that John did really well or you know he manage the transitions reading well and it's quite hard to do that how the positioning is that if you do his possession you can still regain ground and do something special but yeah there was obviously a lack of weight to fund but I think that's most teams right now. And that's the major. Yarmulkes of chain for the headline The papers are running out running with this morning which is. Like a ranch run check on reality check reality check marks out of 10 May know that really no it's not in reality all I mean but then we got to thank you Eric I want to see c.h. 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