Labor's calling for on the extraction of shale gas warning fracking will make it impossible for the Government to me its targets on climate change the government says natural gas has a role to play in reducing emissions and the industry could create jobs that is the 5 Live news no his shop number the sport is understood Gareth Bale is not in the right mental states play in Real Madrid's pre-season tournament to Munich he's pulled out of the trip after his proposed made to China fell through he would have faced his old club Tottenham on the top this comes a week after his Madrid balls to Nadine's it down said bells to punch out will be best for everyone Barry's opening match of the League One season against M.K. Dons on Saturday has been suspended but Bolton's away fixture at Wycombe Wanderers can go ahead both clubs have already been docked 12 points Barry failed to provide evidence of how they'll be funded moving forward see the E.F.L. And they'll be referred to an independent disciplinary panel Bournemouth assigned midfielder Phillip billing for 15000000 pounds on a 5 year deal from Championship side Huddersfield Town St Helens head coach Justin Holbrook is set to return to Australia's N.R.L. At the end of the Super League season he's taking over a Gold Coast time since after 2 years saints and wing a Jack I know is a Mike Lee to play in England's 1st Rugby World Cup will match against Wales next month as he continues to recover from an ankle injury this is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live on digital B.B.C. South small speaker. And the 5 live weather today a mixture of sunshine and heavy thundering showers will spread to most parts of the U.K. They have a shell's will be in northwest England the Midlands and Wales windy in the south with a chance of gales on the coast is in London today of 21 degrees like a school that's using lights which in some ways for example you find things force extra. This includes. The final grand slam of the. This is us that. Race for the Driver's Championship. Facts of. This. Kind of life for thanks. A lot of 5 on Dawson at a bar and coming up in this program in a memorable see will bring you the latest from California 24 hours on from the shooting story that we told you about last night as it was still an ongoing incident we'll have the latest from there is news of what exactly happened at the garlic festival in Gilroy California emerges also what's beyond the spike in the tiger population in India one of the conservation is done right there that is seen increasing numbers of his image and also the Tigers still an endangered species we'll hear about the video of an Indian family who checked into a hotel room and left with as much of the room as they could get their hands on and will bring you news of the option that is simply out of this world well yeah I think that's a way of putting it it's a metaphor you know what I mean just good story that. Says Richard now it's a story we 1st brought she an awful night last night 3 people have been killed one of them 6 year old boy and 15 others injured after a gunman attacks a food festival in California the gunman was shot dead by police shortly after he began firing over police are investigating reports that a 2nd suspect may still be a large the attack happened at the annual garlic festival in the small town of Gilroy which is about 80 miles south of San Francisco the annual event was taking place in a local park where according to the 1st. Whose website weapons of any kind banned the eyewitness told C.B.S. News what he saw. Right by. Birth right and then you. Have. That it is very private band and that is that for the next 50 yards from where we were police say offices were already on site and responded to the shooting in less than a minute as the Police Chief Scott Smith It appears as if though they had come into the festival via the creek which borders a parking area. And they use some sort of a tool to cut through the fence to be able to gain access through the security fence line. The governor of California is described as shooting is nothing short of her ific the U.S. President said he said about the incident people to be careful and safe Brianna sags is a reporter from Buzz Feed based in California he's been following events as well the reaction had been in the state it shows. Another go shooting at a California. So it's you know it's just one of those things that they've type of reaction from a community that how could this happen here garlic festival that's you know so family friendly and safe in our yard to stop similar type of shock and horror and frustration I bet in some of the people who were there and were close to what happened pretty much in shock what they've been saying though as to what they saw. Well I I thought Gilroy But you know it's a lot of people you know it's a huge festival that as I said very famous in the region and I had it was the last day of the festival was really just kind of. Closing down so people were just wandering around a chilling use a can then that you know it's been sounded like fireworks were going off and all decided people started running and. They you know people said that they they saw a gunman kind of dressed in camouflage shooting into a large crowd of people by the 2 clerics and the music stage so it was indiscriminate shooting. Yesterday randomly and to a straw and of people that you know I spoke to the thing that had just been playing their last encores following up that chant than their classic rock band from San Jose which is about 30 miles away and they were playing their last off and they said they heard the shooting and that I thought Mick was shooting it too you know few 100 people by the and the stage in front of that are that the stage they were on front of them and 3 people saw it as a result of the shooting 3 people did 2 children. Correct so 3 people the victims were all young. One who was a 6 year old boy is. Was conceived in and that there are identified later on today and a 13 year old girl and her. Her name it was came out and then the colleges said that one of its graduates. Trevor he was also a victim and he was I think in his twenty's is what the police said earlier today what do we know about the shooter and the motive for this. We still don't know a motive you know we know that the shooter police said had been living in the vat of which. Recently and asked how he bought the weapon which is in a case doubt I take a very different styles. Of rifle and lot of details in the in the Vatican and I thought of it to California as the last game in the area and Jim did say after his well though as you know what the feds close that family has there there is there is one in the jail very accomplished athlete a boxer and they want to of like was a good student the father was also. A runner and that they're just you know as a solid family in the community and and killed right and the shooter was 19 years old. Correct yes he was 19 years old and the. Shooting happened very quickly you know it was the attack was kind of over maybe a minute or so. After it started the 3 please officers engage the suspect and. You know it's taken down all the other quickly so please credit ing that those officers responded with You know it could have been a lot lot worse within one minute the police on to see that had chilled him. Yeah they engage us like they had a T.N. Down and within a bit you know they will patrolling the festivals the suspect the student God made a go through a precarious is the back like using cutters to cut the fat so that's how they missed him you know because it is so exhausting through these areas do you know they think they were officers I had is that it wasn't like there was lax security or anything he stuck in and the authorities. Could. Love lives I can imagine that how many people were injured we say 3 people were killed coming through for injured gas about 15 others through were injured in a few been released today from hospital to area hospitals and their injuries injuries Perry range from fair to put a call. And the organizes of the citizen who everybody is it is a shark as I said the 1st of all it's like it's just a huge summer offended attracts you know hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people from all over in order California and so you know they're there in force all right in the chest and in that this family pops family focus. Like that as a thing you know people from all over it are tougher to try to do something like this but it's the save my job resiliency is that you know they won't let this this person really is your. Record So you're there if they're vowing you don't have it again next year and that you did not let this to be something that is are important here Brianna Sachs there reporting for Buzz Feed bracing kind of fornia some good news now out of India which is home to nearly 3000 tigers Well that still do tiny fraction of the number of tigers eroded across India in the last century it does represent a rapid growth in the target population over the last 5 years India's now has to make sure to be home to around 70 percent of the world's Tigers prime minister to render Modi be present in the findings on Monday said India is now one of the biggest and most secure habitats of the tiger Well let's cross live to Delhi in speed to Bill in the right she's the executive director of the Wildlife Protection Society of India Belinda this is really good news isn't it is it's amazing how they do and I'm staggered Well you know it's really it is sort of positive results that have come out of a conservation investment for over 45 years and I think I think the key to it is that we now have and this is I mean then the increase is quite recent We now have 50 Tiger reserves covering in covering an area of over 71000 square kilometers so what we've gotten is is sort of this these critical Taika habitats which is safe now for tigers so they're multiplying they're breeding they take is a. You know they're very resilient and so on but for the. Heating they need a bit of space and everything else right and I think that's what's happened and they're also spilling out of some of these areas so you know there are still problems that is still poaching but amazingly these wonderful animals. Are doing while now and that's wise we're with the count last half and in 2014 there were 2226 Tigers but the figure from 2018 show that there are now $2967.00 which is an increase of words about 30 percent increase $33.00. 0 level mathematics. I didn't use a calculator. I mean is it safe to say that the tiger is not an endangered species any movement Oh no I mean India has you know 70 percent of the world's tight and you don't want all your eggs in one basket. But. No And we have a problem still here we still lose about $100.00 tigers to coaching every year and you know despite what the honorable prime minister says. None of us are convinced that we have genuine genuine political will to secure a future for while tigers in India you know as our environmental laws are quietly being weakened and we have a lot of. What you call it lenient infrastructure intrusions So every time a dam is needed or a highway or a canal or it new railway track or worst of all power lines it's put through critical wildlife habitat. Indians physically there's people living in those areas close to the tiger habitat do they see tigers as an asset. Well some do where there's tourism then yes they see it as an asset and and remember people you know worship the tiger they've lived I mean the local people have lived close to wild tigers. You know since the beginning of time but things are changing India is changing so you know people have access to mobile phones to television and so on so they're not as tolerant as as certainly that I was as tolerant as they used to be and the other problem big problem which is I think you know conservationists conservations biggest challenge everywhere not just India is is human wildlife concert it's really it's getting to a tipping point in India where we've seen some gusty things happen in the last few weeks you know tigers being lynched you know beaten to death literally and that goes back to these linear inches and because every time you mess with the habitat and you destroy it in fragmented You know it it it it fuels. Conflict because the animals move away move out of the the protected areas. So if they're in the domain very said to be if they go beyond them in oh yeah I suppose humans have to present themselves as well we are still talking of course the dangers of the cause here but you know. Don't we shouldn't actually be talking about tigers The point is we need these forests you know we need them to mitigate climate change protect our sources of water give us rain and fresh air the Tigers are just the guardians of those forests and all the animals and plants that live in their domain and if we don't you know if they if the government doesn't do a strictly hands off. You know is no further the notifications only an infrastructure. You know we're in trouble India is a. Country of 1400000000 people and there's a tiny part of it which has this fabulous habitat and of course a fabulous animal but but we need those forests. We places to live as rugged gentlemen if the population is to be then would you do this something is not to give it some point and I snort this in India by the way yeah but it can't be that because otherwise it will die I mean it's I mean I'm living it unfortunately my my head offices here in Delhi and then many months if you have to where they couldn't of gas masks I mean the pollution is dreadful in the west this time I'm I mean heavenly places but not not here. Would you have certain sorts of cable in the woods or you know them will be because we're we varied of. You haven't ever see very far and it's a big it is a wider picture to these but what do you hope the future of China is in India will be well I hope that we'll be able to to offer a future generations the possibility to get to get to know to see these absolutely gorgeous go plucking creatures I mean I've spent over 45 years working with wild tigers and I still get tears in my eyes when I when I'm watching one and it would be just gosh if you could generations would never forgive us if if you and I and and and everybody let them slip through our fingers they just wouldn't I did burst into tears once when I read a poem on air about. Tigers disappearing from there yeah it is heartbreaking to full creatures beautiful. Joy you get from being so close well so one thing we should know about tigers bilin is one thing we should all know about tigers. Just that they're probably the most magnificent things on this planet because unlike other big cats like lions they don't going price this solitary except for when they're mating or bringing up the family. And so they hate this super being you know they have to be absolutely perfect and fit and everything because they this of divers and then they're. You know they they don't they can't rely on anybody else but themselves and I really find that also. When you just see one will kill anything it's just extraordinary that they're the most perfect I hate 6 a machines but living things and it is a remarkable that they've been able to count so many tigers I mean the 4th time this has happened but it's a it's a it's an incredible thing I mean it's they covered during this record it a tiger estimation not a census $100.00 for over $147000.00 square miles of tiger range and they surveyed it in detail incredible. I mean they're We're going to have to leave it there before thank you very much. Guys thank you cannot observe Belinda right there she's the executive director of the Wildlife Protection Society of India tended with us in called Considine to tell us a remarkable story the road has gone viral. And what appropriately got a month into from the Tollygunge Club which was once run by Belinda Wright. Father Bob Wright the many years and where she grew up and that this place I built the telly gunge club it was swamped that was marshland and Batley there was a few tigers that are roaming around here but the conversation this morning here is not about the tiger it's about this. Video of an Indian couple or an Indian family on holiday in Bali that has gone viral because the individual confronted as they had the thing by the hotel staff who then go to their luggage and I'm like maybe me I don't know about you Dalton who does pinch a few of those costs met takes this shampoo 6 after they've taken it a little bit they had the head dry as some of the plant Paltz hang is basically everything that they could find in that room let's hear a little bit from that video and I will say it slowly slowly a bit of a little bit of. Money you know you have a load of money I know you have a lot of money in Germany I mean face is the respect. Of the eighty's or even. You know that if you go to just a. Little bit late so food supply the Habs. It is and it's you know it started quite a debate here in India the person actually posted that video initially I called on the government to cancel they have passports for bringing the whole country into absolute disgrace but it's founded 2 different debates Firstly what is it acceptable to take from a hotel room doctor and I mean what why you are allowed to tell because you know you're paying to develop the cost medics you know except simple once you go past down and stop pinching the towels I mean it's your home full of little bottles like mine is from various hotels from across the well. Actually. Do you know that the cost matter. Who. Says you know. Scratch your. Behind and I try to use well. You know noise from there for weeks and weeks and weeks rather used ones where they make money or me that make proper money or me. Well that's one debate they did people having at the moment the other one is the behavior of Indian tourist abroad I mean recently a hotel in Switzerland which had a lot of tourists coming through had 2 sets of rules one for tourists generally and another one they felt was needed for the Indian tourist because of their behavior in the past the Indian government has even considered setting up classes so that people understand some of the cultural norms that may be different in that part of the world that Indians now with a huge amount of cash that some of them have and now traveling to it's an issue that I've been speaking to with one of the Indians leading columnist. I don't know when Indians go abroad they think at all about how it reflects on their country. To get you the most bang for their buck you know you have to remember when Indians are travelling abroad especially in the West. Are converted from dollars or euros to rupees and so they really feel that they must make the most of whatever they can give even if it's all the free so little packets of sugar on display and I have to see as full disclosure you know I think my mother's cabinet is filled with soaps from Patel's from all over the world but that the soap is your right as is the little sashay of shampoo they have been stories of Indian stealing cutlery from hotels and all of that it does reflect badly on the country just on the people who have and. They basically issued a separate set of rules to them how to behave Yeah basically it's a case of separate and unequal where they singled out Indians for their bad behavior in terms of what they took at the buffet table basically they accused Indians of buying stuff from the table and taking it back with them to eat lunch as well as talking really loudly in the car doors but you know this is an issue even in India people do. Loudly all the time and so even in an Indian hotel in India there are lots of Indians annoyed that other Indians for talking loudly are having the children in the dining room and all of that I see years ago I think there was an idea of setting up training classes for Indian tourists when they went abroad is that a good idea I think that's a perfectly good idea as long as we have training classes for Western tourism to come to India and to get there. And over to. So there we go there are strong feelings on that in India you know about the way that people come to India and they behave but sadly at this particular point in time a lot of focus on Indian tourists and what they're pinching from adèle not the 1st time it has been in the news data may quickly a few years ago there was a man who used to check into hotels see the size of the T.V. By a suitcase pop them in there and check out. I know so when I heard the thing about the you know when you mention food about the boat for me to boldly go prints from our room from the buffet before and I still feel guilty about it. Thank you very much road sounded as good delayed says far by the headlines die as procurement home digital B.B.C. Sound. B.B.C. Radio 5 burst on summary farmers in the wilds of lights as he tries to reassure the mill throwing off the bricks that last week farmers unions warned of civil unrest in some rural areas if the U.K. Leaves the E.U. With ideal Washington plans to start withdrawing troops from Afghanistan according to the US secretary of state says it will begin before Dawn Treader runs for reelection next year the number of trees planted in the U.K. Needs to triple to help tackle climate change the Committee on Climate Change which advises the government says carbon reduction targets can only be met if $30000.00 hectares of woodland is planted every year and the country rap song Old Town Road by little knapsacks has broken the record for the longest time at the top of the US singles charts it has now topped the Billboard Hot 100 for 17 weeks that is the 5 Live news now his shop them the support for my Real Madrid and Wales manager John Toshack says he's sad and disappointed at Gareth Bale the current situation in Spain the Welsh forwards pulled out of Madrid strips Munich for a pre-season sort of months after the collapse of his proposed needs China and social access. He just needs to find a way out. The way that this has gone amiss in terms out from time a lesson only as Agent goodness knows so for all the football that I know. Sadness and sickens me to be honest it is Barry's opening match of the season against M.K. Dons will not go ahead on Sunset day because the club haven't provided enough evidence of how they'll be funded moving forwards the problem is the be referred to an independent disciplinary panel on the 2nd match of the season is also under threat Meanwhile Bolton's 1st game we can will go ahead but teams have already been deducted 12 points from the new league on Sable bone with a sign midfielder Phillip billing for 15000000 pounds he'll join on a 5 year deal from Championship side Huddersfield Town degrades and England Test vice camps in Ben Stokes says winning the Ashes in the same year is becoming world champions will be a once in a lifetime achievement the all rounder who is Player of the match in the World Cup Final says it would top off a dream summer we've gone 50 percent of what we wanted to achieve all in a World Cup and the next off is obviously down to the next 7 weeks so if I can go home and you know I want to welcome but I want to Nash's in the same summer I'm never going to be able to achieve that ever again obviously it's such a special so much for English cricket to be able to play and is amazing you know obviously we just really want to win those Ashes series he want to turn over the Aussies Well the 1st is has dolls on Thursday at the edge Boston and we'll have ball Bible T.M.'s commentary on 5 Live Sports thanks to and on line St Helens had code just in Holbrook is sent to return to Australia's N.R.L. To take over the Gold Coast Titans Holbrook has guided the league lead is their 1st Challenge Cup final in 11 years and will leave at the end of the season form a Saints player John will consent to professional to let this have any impact on the side while he's still in charge just in this approach is dropped for A and B. Tailed old. 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Good morning and see what we turn our attention towards the southwest of the U.K. Were in Sicily the low pressure system of the time it will spin up and move across the country over the next few days and will indeed be the focus of our weather for much of this week strong winds at the time of being scattered heavy 3 downpours may cause some disruption in places to flooding possible the chance some wind damage particularly trees so today's expects not windy plenty of heavy showers and thunder down poles across southwestern Wales on the South West Midlands elsewhere the not about starts with some sunshine around a bit of cloud to now through the day the heavy showers and thunderstorms cross the southwest will become more widespread across Wales into central southern England a baby crazy. The prime minister will be Wales laces Today ways expected to tell farmers will be better off if the Brits had because the U.K. Can sign new trade deals Bird Johnson has promised to go the extra mile to secure the brig's deal he was speaking on a visit Senator Breaux where he held talks of the leader of the Scottish conservatives Ruth Davidson and the 1st minister Nicholas sturgeon well raised Davidson has made it clear that she would support the U.K. Leaving the European Union without a do she describe the trolls is incredibly constructive saying she received the assurances from Mr Johnson that she was looking for I said I wanted to see the same level of energy and vigor that's going into no deal planning going into trying to get a deal I wanted to see the sorts of shuttle diplomacy that's going to be required if you're going to see changes that can be brought back to the House of Commons and I received assurances that I was looking for Nick the. Message. Anderson of trying to bring about what she calls a dangerous no deal Briggs's this by the Prime Minister's assurance that there was a good chance he would get an agreement before the end of October misjudging said she believed the government was actually pursuing a no deal Briggs's strategy I think that is extremely dangerous for Scotland indeed for the whole of the U.K. We know from the work we've done the impact that would have on jobs on the economy on our universities on almost every aspect of society in Scotland and I think it's incumbent on all of us who think that that is the wrong no come to do everything we possibly can to block it to Gallagher of the I News wave would show me how they're covering the story this morning because face by against Johnson is the simple splash headline in the F.B.I. Today he's been in Glasgow and this is a real divide emerging between Scotland and England especially among conservatives over direction of U.K. Policy when it comes to their opinion of course him at the 1st minister 1st Nicholas sturgeon sees promise to step up Scotland's planning for a no deal Bracks it after becoming convinced that Boris Johnson secretly wants to leave the E.U. Without an agreement and speaking after a lengthy meeting with the PM She claimed the U.K. Government was hiding its true intentions from the public not mincing no words our 1st minister also told Mr Johnson she would soon formally request the power to hold a 2nd referendum on scholarship dependent so voters could choose a way out of a brick sit now their discussions were described as lively and about the future of the Union during this 50 minute meeting at her official residence a few towns in Edinburgh but as he pulled up in his official car Ascot on that it's a Crist Green was on the hands of film the reaction of around $200.00 protesters gathered outside and it's fair to say they weren't cheering Burris Johnson's arrival all aren't doing and the hurling insults now the talk some so. The concerned Mr Dinh said she had concluded from his comments during the meeting that he was not serious about seeking a fresh deal with the E.U. And was now actively to Syrian no deal strategy and she also revealed the German a very robust in her words debate on on Scottish independence see a challenge to the prime minister to live televised debates on the issue his officials actually intervene during the meeting to to shut that down so no meeting of minds between the 1st Minister and the prime minister yesterday I'm sure the irony was a loss on your newspaper that of course because Johnson went north of the border to reassert our ancient ties between our countries and his seems you know unlike those couples ago and renew their marriage vows it seems like he actually the opposite was the conclusion there yes he's obviously this is just 24 hours after announcing this 300000000 pound package for strength in the union of course Boris Johnson and self-appointed MINISTER FOR THE UNION that he's another title is a bit since entering Number 10 but of course not just clashing with the S.N.P. Later but of course having clashed over the last 24 hours with his colleague the Conservative leader Scottish Conservative leadership so Ruth Davidson Now they also had a meeting and while Mr Johnson heaped praise on her described as a fantastic politician who resigned of the party's fortunes in Scotland suggesting he would ultimately overrule her on the whole issue of support for a no deal of course Ruth Davidson publicly saying that she could never support that and she was rather it isn't about commenting on their discussions after their meeting in in Glasgow yesterday were Nicholas Sturgeon was quick to comment on the nature frank nature of their talks with DE was and did. And didn't comment too much after the meeting a tall fact mentioning no making no mention of her opposition to the Nobel outcome but instead said they were going to focus their efforts on renegotiate and the withdrawal agreement with the other $27.00 E.U. Countries now of course accidental Boris Johnson's view as well and he said that during that meeting a 40 minute meeting 10 minutes shorter than he held a Nicholas sturgeon at the to Tory leader said they were united in wanting to reach an agreement with Brussels of course the big divided line there is that while he is prepared to go down the no deal route if necessary receivers and there said she could never countenance that and never support it why do you think he went north of the border was he think the Brits Jones went to school just days well within a week of his zooming the Premiership given that given that it was always going to be for him a bearded. Genuinely worried about the future of the United Kingdom Of course the leader in the of the S.N.P. In the commons in Blackwood stood up and said that he it was his view on the 1st struggles 1st appearance in the Commons that there was Ian Black for fear that he was going to be the last prime minister of the United Kingdom there is a genuine concern that if as he's prepared to do to take the U.K. Out of the E.U. Without a deal and that is of course Scotland voted 62 percent in favor of their mayor that could allow or surge of support for independents in Scotland and the surge in support for a full remain after a while is already well supported remember the surge in support of a 2nd referendum on independence so it genuinely concerned about the future of the Union I think and that is a that was a key statement of intent to go there so early on in his premiership and to try and . Support the strengthen any kind of ties between across the across the United Kingdom because there are those genuine concerns there that of the effects of a no deal Bret's it and the potential breakup of the United Kingdom something that . Boris Johnson certainly would not want to be part of his legacy is he treating Briggs who is something of a gay move chicken with the European Union in your article wheezes that he is begs them to blink 1st Very much so it's it's descended into this game as to who can blink 1st and he's confident he can make the E.U. Do that in striking the new Grex it deal with just date just days before the deadline of 31st of October he's engaging in the standoff with Brussels by refusing to hold face to face talks with E.U. Leaders until they drop their refusal to reopen the withdrawal agreement making of course a no deal got sick more likely now in this trip to Scotland yesterday used apparently contradictory language during that visit when he struck an upbeat tone on his chances of securing a new deal and said his government would go the extra 1000 miles to achieve it despite sticking to his refusal to engage in sit down talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the French president Emmanuel macron and he's taking a much firmer line with the E.U. Than his predecessor trees amazed that advisedly robins were seen by Brock's it is been too conciliatory towards Brussels now Mr Robins is replacement David trust he wrote an e-mail to his E.U. Counterparts last week warning them not to underestimate Mr Johnson in that e-mail which emerged yesterday he wrote you should be in no doubt about this government's commitment to the study 1st of October date I would also add that many people are inclined to underestimate Boris Johnson and I urge you not to do so but I said many a time on this program dotted the whole sticking point for Boris Johnson and Lady Brooks it is this Irish backstop and they want to see that taken out of the withdrawal agreement that would mean the whole of the rest of the E.U. Effectively so an island on the bus and nobody nobody can see that happening so it is a bit of a game now between who's going to blink 1st and I don't think it. Guns beat the pool got to get the I newspaper there now with interest in the Apollo 11 main mission riding high there's been a renewed focus in recent weeks on Neil Armstrong the mission commander and of course the 1st man on the lunar surface arms from died after heart surgery in 20020 after the death of his 1st wife Janet a number of items of Armstrong's memorabilia have gone under the hammer and of net it is believed almost $17000000.00 for these sons from the 1st marriage market in regards wrong Rob A postman is the editor of collect SPACE dot com which is a Web site devoted to space memorabilia he's been telling me what sorts of items Rouge of the Armstrong family collection has included items that flew on his missions like United States flags and flags of other organizations. Special items like pieces of the night you know 3 Wright Flyer the 1st powered aircraft Neil Armstrong famously took some of that to the moon donated some back to museums and then kept the rest rooms also some of those pieces came up for auction there are also every day items from is just normal life like magazines that he subscribed to or vinyl records that he listened to it was really a cross-section of both personal and. Space flight are effects people were prepared to pay top dollar for some of these are times. They did and and it's sort of a combination of the value of the item itself anything that flies to the moon as you might end might guess carries quite a price tag to it not many items are available but from you know Armstrong specifically he never sold anything during his lifetime and so this was the 1st opportunity for people to get something associated with the 1st person to walk on the moon I didn't even realize who know how to tell you so many. Personal mementos move them to the moon does NASA know this and they accumulated all these masses of trinkets. Indeed they do they had something called the Personal preference kit it was a small pouch they carried several of them on board some state aboard the command module the orbit some landed on the moon on the lunar module and they could pack them with items that they wanted to take for themselves or their family or friends then there were other items that were they brought back from the moon that were part of the spacecraft and in 2012 the U.S. Congress and president signed into law affirming that the astronauts could hold title and therefore sell or or donate or keep those mementos that they brought back from the moon you mentioned in his lifetime No Armstrong so very little if anything and am didn't commercialise as he could have done from his frame. While he was alive he chose not to take part in memorabilia sales he did a couple of of. Signings signing his autograph or to support organizations that he supported but that was very early on he signed autographs freely for close to 30 years and then after he found that people were taking advantage of that basically asking for his autograph and then rushing out on to e-bay for sell he stopped signing in the in the mid 1990 S. . He knows he didn't realize that people commercializing on his own. He knew that there were some people selling his autograph but he didn't realize that the people would be asking him for his autograph and then rushing to sign to sell it it's different than having an autograph in your collection for 20 years and then the site sell it versus meeting the guy in 10 minutes later was doing it on for sale it also made it impossible for him to determine if the for example small child asking for his autograph was someone who genuinely wanted his autograph or was someone who was being pushed forward by their parents so they could get something they could sell on e Bay Why was he has to commercializing his experiences the 1st man to work. It's difficult to say from what he said about it it just wasn't part of his personality he he didn't go to the moon to become famous he came back from the moon seeking to return to his normal life as an engineer. He went back actually after he left NASA he became a professor at the University of Cincinnati and taught engineering for a number of years. So he didn't seek the spotlight and so he didn't see he didn't see his items or his memorabilia or his personality being something worth marketing. He also didn't put a lot of important story said he didn't put a lot of importance on on memorabilia and so it wasn't something that he concerned I'm selfless and I read that exempted that he was only the front man for he was Asian people who put a lot behind game to the men it was his position that his his carriage see on that shared by the other astronauts who went up with him Buzz Aldrin 1st of all and also Michael Collins who calls was the pilot of the space module. Yes all 3 of them and pretty much all the astronauts I wouldn't say there's not an exception to them all were 1st who all would firstly recognize the 400000 or so people that made their mission possible they were the tip of the spear. The astronauts and received all the glory but they wouldn't be able to go and do what they did if it wasn't for those hundreds of thousands of people who made every piece of the rocket every piece of the spacecraft and not just made it but made it so that it works so they came home safely so they all helped at that position they've all spoken about it. But that but they've expressed their own. Their own personalities in their post astronaut lives as you would expect anyone else to do Have any of them shouldn't there memorabilia. They have both of or all 3 of Neil's crewmates they've got on Gemini 8. And Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins on Apollo 11 have sold memorabilia they are all still living and so many of the other astronauts since the early 1990 S. When the memorabilia market started the astronaut started to get approached by auction houses and by dealers to ask about do you have items that your children no longer want or you. And that we can sell and so it began and so we had with it with a couple of exceptions most of the astronauts list items for sale from their personal collections there's still a few astronauts who haven't and have surf all the role that that Neil did but given that given that it's not unusual for as you know to some memorabilia why why these oceans of you know Armstrong's possessions why or why they so controversial I don't know if I would use the word controversial but they do stand out because. Because Neil Armstrong as a singular figure in history is probably the only astronaut who really gained. A long standing name recognizability. The other astronauts are known and if you're a space enthusiasts you know all of them but in terms of who will be remembered in fact some people have said a 1000 years from now the only person of the 20th century that will be remembered is no Armstrong because he was the 1st to set foot on another on another celestial body that no one else. From that century will will stand the test of time and so given that position given that responsibility anything associated with him has always held a higher desire a higher demand then the other astronauts or other people around him when he would enter a room or people would seek out his autograph or or want to have their photo taken with him they would. The books that were written about him were read by more people than some of the other astronauts books. There was always a. Higher interest in him as the 1st person to set foot on the moon than just about anyone else you say you wouldn't describe it as. Untraditional Robert Byrd. Neil Armstrong's sons the 2 sons who have essentially motivated these sales who were behind the mark and Rick and had to come out and defend their decisions to so their father's possessions we've had other people come out and say well you know in his life he was totally against this is somewhat unseemly not least. His biographer. You might know James R. And since coming he never did any of that and he's lived time has come out and said and of Kools knew Armstrong from those you know had 2 families away because his 1st wife divorced him about 19 in their 3990 S. New marriage Carol. The 2nd wife 9094 and have family have stood aloof of any of these cells and in that context it's no this is no these cells haven't been seen as acceptable by everybody. I think it's understandable I think there is. I think that happens with a lot of families that it's sort of amplified here because of the same that you know Armstrong ad but. There were certainly certainly because Neil Armstrong did not sell anything during his lifetime the perception is that he did not want that he did not want to be involved whether he would be in support of his sons doing that. You know I can't speak to that but. But I think that he he put more people at less importance on the memorabilia and what happened to it than he did on what happened to his family so if there's some way else this family I think. He'd be in he would at least not object to it but I can't put words in his mouth but I do what I. I can say is some of the objections have been that all these items should have went to an archive or to museum the National Space Museum the Smithsonian had the ability to go through the entire collection and identify pieces that they wanted before the auctions were even a saying there were other donations made to other museums around the country and world. The the truth of the matter is that not everything is appropriate for a museum you know the you could say that a flag flown to the moon yes that but that a museum might want to display that in a magazine that he subscribed to that happened to arrive at his house and then he happened to hold on to us for I want to look at that always favored from when he was a kid you know a number and a museum or you know well someone might you know plan might put up a teddy bear if it's like there is an Armstrong and Space Museum that he actually donated items to in his lifetime but just every day items. You know his his membership card to a certain organization these are not pieces that are going to end up on display they'll end up in the archives and in fact museums often sell items in their collection to fund displays and artifacts that they want to display so in this way the artifact of these pieces these nuts and bolts and less so of his of his life and their collections where hopefully the enthusiastic as it is someone who appreciates the history maybe it ends up going into into a classroom with the owner's child as a show and tell I don't and so a new class gets to see it or maybe it gets displayed on a website for the collection or loan to a local library so in a way they do you know enter communities and get to get to be seen by more than just the owner but it's not the type of items that would museum what would naturally see. Yeah these were always going to be this was going to be a $1000000.00 SEO and perhaps exceeded expectations 16 point something $1000000.00 so far of the 4 oceans have been there's another 1 July from this year's So we're not done with that figure will definitely go up what's been the most expensive item. I believe the sold the most is a gold medallion it was one of 3 gold medallions that was aboard Apollo 11 it's called the robins medallion after the company that minted it the robins medallions themselves hold a special place in. Space memorabilia and that they flew on every mission from a pulse 7 day each each one. Representing the mission that they flew on the gold ones were particularly special because they were only available to the astronauts who were flying on the mission. So Neal's sold for just over $2000000.20 tonnes this room died in her medallion so and we don't know who bought it we don't know if he was a coin collector or if he was a space collector or history collector. But it certainly did appeal and it must appeal to more than one because the bidding pushed it up to so that amount as you can imagine I'm not in that league of bit is one card Well said she is going to see the end of this go ahead and one of those business cards for a club the standard one Samaj that go over several $100.00 cheapest items were into the hundreds in the 1st cell the very 1st one last November nothing sold for less than a $1000.00 and there was a little bit of auction fever there I think those people. Felt that you know this might be their only opportunity to get something and so they did as the auctions went on and its shows that this question had a. Lot of items on. For. Me getting sort of settled down a little bit not so much that anything could be called an expensive but you could pick up something for a few $100.00 and we'll have to see what happens in the next auction in November they're all using I did serve collect spice don't call my website devoted to sprays memorabilia that's about it for months thanks for listening thanks. And yes you guess this is Rising these. A the same time it's 5 o'clock on Tuesday the 30th of July this is morning reports on 5 Live I'm Paul cannon our top story this morning Boris Johnson is continuing his tour of the U.K. Making his 1st visit to a while since becoming prime minister Leiter He's due to meet with farmers and try to reassure them they will thrive in a post breaks it Britain but Farmers Union in the farmers unions in Wiles' are warning of civil unrest in some rural areas if the U.K. Leaves the E.U. 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