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The new song from the greatest showman it's been nominated for an Oscar gala sefl this is make it 7 minutes past 12 a number to call 030385555 you can text and you are already 81771 love for direction already today at b.b.c. Talkback we are in a remarkable situation here in terms of the 13 month long attempt to get some kind of deal at Stormont we have a disagreement between Shin Fein and the d u p at not that they couldn't agree a deal but whether there actually was a deal that could or would not be a grade it is an astonishing situation the tarnished or the Tasia are pretty clear in their minds that there was an accommodation Otherwise why would they bother travelling to Belfast a Monday haven't heard from the British government clearly on this senior journalists have been clear that they were being briefed by sources within the the u.p.a. That there was a deal on the table it was all moving forward and then we had the collapse this is the same president Mary and Mary Lou McDonald yesterday speaking to reporters when she gave details of what her party she maintains agreed with the d u p just days ago. We had a draft agreement by the end of last week at that time we advised the d.c.u. Leadership that the deal should be closed before those opposed to us could take everything thus we had achieved we made it clear that if there was a delay that there was every chance that the package was on Ravel and so it came to pass to do you pay fails to close the deal and then went on to collapse the talks process and also mistruths and in accuracies have been paddled about the contents of the draft agreement so for the record. The draft agreement included an Irish Language Act and oldsters Scott sacked and respecting language and diversity act the Irish Language Act includes a provision for the official recognition of Irish and the creation of an Irish language commissioner the repeal of the ban of Irish in the courts was also to be legislated for let me make it clear at no stage was in visaged to make Irish compulsory for anybody or to apply to the public services these were not considerations. So there you have it that's Mary Lou McDonald the shin fame president setting out some of the details of the deal she maintains they had in draft form agreed with the u.p.a. But the d.p. Leader alling Foster rejected that claim she says they never approved even a draft agreement I'm not giving up on this process I believe in Dave Aleutian I couldn't have told where we had got to this week because I'd made it clear they wanted freestanding Irish language act something like. If I was uncomfortable with it I certainly wasn't going to recommend it to the party or indeed the wider you know community so yes it's disappointing that we have. We should walk away should take some time to reflect. And come back at us again I didn't at any stage make a recommendation in relation to where we were because of course we never reached the end of the process and therefore I didn't have a recommendation to make Arlene Foster 030-308-0555 extension 5 do you have any doubt any doubt whatsoever in your mind that a deal in draft form and accommodation would whatever kind of language you want to use was done days ago and then the d.c.p. Pulled away from it any doubt about that whatsoever or are you with the do you beyond this there was no deal not even in draft form no accommodation and this is just propaganda that we're hearing that is the position today Jones of North Belfast John welcome How do you see it. But they wanted to act. In chance upon chance and. Their demands are too much and that's not what we're asking for and collapses. And. Why don't you believe fame when you've got the Irish government saying they understand there was an accommodation when you got people within journalism and depend a journalist saying they were talking to do you piece horses who were briefing them on the terms of the deal which sounds surprisingly like what Jim Fein is now saying . On the part of. Some kind of approach on a page on a piece of paper John. I'm not being paid to the point John thank you very much for the party John thank you very much Rob to North Belfast Iraq island in Grafton and where are you on that well there's absolutely no tight and mining that's our hot button an agreement struck compromise whatever you want to call it whatever common knowledge that you want to use. What I said so it's me as if you look at what wasn't there on. The plate and are going from sense and what wasn't there are certainly from my knowledge was seeing Shanthi and has like it. A right albeit I would support a position we've seen also and have a kid like effect that we seem to have to Wendell's and at the back we don't know well you know where we're all in a speculative pm Here Mary McDonald simply giving some details of the Irish language dimension to the case not appears to be the obstacle to further progress but you haven't commented on the l g b t question No she hasn't and I think that means read about what you want. But you know for sure for a party claims to cut themselves up and kind of as a protecting the rights of victims call it their legacy. And times of the l.c.p. To be in the end the rights for equal markets that seem to be in my opinion at the back burner and it's I think it speaks volumes. And their respect and equality agenda but you have no doubt in your mind there was a deal in the drafting absolutely no national There isn't even and then there was a lower. Case what is the do you feel to what I just did I believe and you know goes back to the point that the date for the control we should have been either ship one of the other 2 why are they denying there was even a deal on the table I don't believe that they could sell a lot to their supporters. And so I don't know why whether had really. And now with the state and I think that's why it's so important and we've heard people like colonies would come a time and time again calling for the publication of the negotiations and I think that that's clear that that needs to happen for there to be transpired say that the public can actually see what was discussed and then we can make our own minds up that whether that was appropriate or it Rob thank you very much there were 30385555 the author and journalist Brian Finis with me you'd never seen from the i.r.s. News columnist with the i.r.s. Uses on the line and read jump a lot and the former leader of the old Dinas party chair a feel he is to a party now Good afternoon welcome to all of you read gently 1st of all any doubt in your mind there was a draft deal here well 1st of all I think I've been too up drover saying there and I think we need the publication of the documentation because you will have this argument going on forever she said she said nobody's going to a great night technically yes there wasn't a day to because a daily is only a date when it's signed so let's get the opt out of the way that wasn't a formal date but the fact of the matter is that over the previous 72 hours speculation was allowed to run and I have no doubt from our contacts with the British government they thought there was a day they Irish government obviously thought it was not just speculation read over the briefing Well it would appear to be a cut it would appear to find it on briefing and I'm only saying that we need to see the details of it because this argument nobody will well everybody will believe what they want to believe but the truth of the matter is I've never seen a situation where the priorities of politicians on the priorities of the general public have been so far apart when people are focused on health and the challenges that are facing their own education and here we're having an argument. Over things like culture and language alone they are important they're not life threatening and the politicians are way off the page of where the general public is so I think they should publish it if they if they so wish but I also believe that you could not have. A large dot. Speculation and hysteria almost in the media to develop it you could either party could have stopped it by the few phone calls and a few tweets but they didn't they let it come to new and encouraged that that the 2 prime ministers to show up so I think they maybe because they thought that a deal Well that's one possibility but we'll only know if we actually see the documentation but guess that's this is hairsplitting there may not have been a formal date and I accept that because a deal is only that they want us published but the question is To what degree is speculation justified why was it a lie to continue and not to question has been on Brian Feeney when we've got the Irish government saying pretty clearly they were surprised by the d u P's actions this week they were clearly expecting a deal and they believed there was the terms of an accommodation would you like to see the British government make any clue and equally clear statement about what they're on the stand he was well yes of course I mean the 2 governments really are on their best when they're on the same page when they're cool living in working together the center of trouble we have here is that the British government as we all know depends on 10 d p m P's not just for breakfast but for tiny little things that they have difficulty getting through the House of Commons so they're not going to do anything to discommode the d.e.p.t. And to be clear the British government is not contradicting the Irish government no they're just not commenting I mean we all know. I mean you read into that the British government actually believes it was a deal yes of course that's why trees are make him over. Does anybody judge there with Dale she's betting that the uterus is being attacked in British magazine New Statesman this morning says you know there she is 2nd time all dressed up and ready to go arrives on the d.p. Humiliated dressed up and nowhere to go here again yet again but I mean from the 5th of February go people were saying there's going to be a deal by the end of the week. That was all the rumors all the journalists are great I daily fee and would have liked the daily to take to the special our dish so that they would have something to say on the Saturday when Mary Lou McDonald was being annoying to as the new president but of course the d u p wouldn't agree to do that even if they had agreed to a date. 030305555 o'clock he called again in a 2nd Newton Emerson explained the situation for anyone who scratching their head right now why are we in a situation where it's not that we're talking about a deal we couldn't agree but we're actually is a bit more matter than that we can't even agree these 2 main parties and whether there was something they were disagreeing on well it's because such trust as there is between the 2 you pinch and Theon has been built up by a by confidence by confidentiality in their negotiations but by not publishing the details I think that's one of the reasons why the smaller parties have been messing around for months by trying to get the state feels right once the Tea Party's Brecht not secrecy we really are at the end of this stage of negotiations where at the moment I think we've only got a slight delay and I was very struck by marrying a McDonald's statement at the press conference yesterday did give details off the line of the draft a lot especially on an Irish Language Act They were only really the points arning Foster had given 2 days before to reassure unionist voters such as there would be no coercion no you know no compulsory signage signage and so on. So there are no sorry no quotas and the public sector. So they still haven't broken that confidence but it is it is interesting that Marilyn MacDonald. Got away with being so start of I think without without being very provocative. And detail I mean it's not a trick I think that Gerry Adams could have pulled off it's the 1st sign of her new leadership style she she was pretty you know pretty assertive there and making that statement but it hasn't brought things to an end it hasn't cost the kite the kind of the kind of problems I think that would or would have occurred of Gerry Adams had done that Sean's wondering here in Belfast cannot you put in a fried of affection quest to get a copy of the or the draft it would not be a lovely bride would have a lovely way to see that yes you wouldn't get it though. But it will do the interesting things Newton's talk about the press conference Well the interesting thing is that they had Mary Mary Lou said she they were going to give the government the papers you know the extraordinary thing is the d.p. And were left on their own for months. To try to cobble something together 2 groups that really don't like each other. And the 2 governments just let them get on with it and it was interesting that she said we're going to give this to the 2 governments and now of course once they do that then it will be like the other way that they want it you know and everybody blame anybody else but how it was rigid piece right I mean this is this is dancing on the head of a pin when do you people say there was no Daley Well they're right because they didn't agree with that they listen to Dale and. So but usually if you shake hands figurative speaking yeah on his raft and say Well Ok We're now at a stage where you can take that your people will take it to our people we think we have a basis here for moving on obviously you have to lock that end Reg You know this better than any of us you've got to lock it in with your people both sides but we but the question is did we get to that stage where they're saying I think the leaders are saying those are the terms of a deal we might be able to run with time to go and consult on it and we'll get to that stage for the 1st. That I can recall even a number of the ladies went in the picture I'm still aren't in the picture in other words the. Keeping their members on site has been a very successful process for the u.p.a. In the past but they've this particular process hasn't felt are dying as far down the rank and file as how did the past a lot of them are not clear what was actually on the table but look we can argue the toss Well you know over this from night a kingdom come the question is repeats the where the politicians are on where the people are house never being further apart the priorities the general public are not being reflected in at what's going on up a storm and I think have to think that they particularly London is going to have to start thinking outside the box we've been very critical of the whole process for the last period of time and we've got don't forget and this is something that's completely died to death. And said that they were leaving the executive because of the r.h.i. Heating scandal on the way that was going on the Darling wouldn't stand on its 1st minister to allow an investigation to take place and all of the press conferences that took place in the last few days r.h.i. Wasn't mentioned it's completely disappeared off the page and yet that was ostensibly the reason why they have collapsed last year so we go back to the calls Jim Carey Londonderry High Jim. Jim make some sense of this for us Jim we'll raise you see in the also what I thank you Brooke. No matter what you think whether there's a team signed whether it's word of mouth doesn't really matter what matters I was asked to do you he went too far and this is a warning to the roller he had to fire during the anguish Irish language line we will not who was he who said that to them maybe. Your image I am not as I do you people are I wold not do what some don't Irish language saying any kind of are as long as I attach to be fair for both sides when you go to the international and when your ain't got your area where you hang your religion is there any respect for the multi-column and Norm So it's about the military culture the job you want to only one thing that's a public health education rule cockles you name it that's about it Little learn any of that Jim until you get back in the government this is about getting into government. Reality reads the m.p. Says they're down some time and sure we are but this is a warning to repeat do not go in the years during which we will not go once you what I'd like to know from you Jim is if we have the line the skeleton of a deal here which has an Irish Language Act which incidentally does not have quotas in it or compulsory hours in schools or I was never a we have an Irish language and an office got sacked and a language and diversity act a full package of legislation of that kind why isn't that acceptable to use the d.p. Vote because we are not certain airing out of it you will not give me Ulster Scots line exactly and replaced and they resigned or was not I will not take up your you don't want anything rather than the way farther down the line or whatever but we will discuss what what is your fear about it or is language that tell me Jim will be manipulated by Shamsi and on to all sorts of things they're even talking of the commissioner Julian for shit. Well that's what you got in Scotland that's what you got Wales we're not having a few years. Now do you think there's a very. British citizen that minority rights should have less protection in this part of the United Kingdom than they do in Wales and Scotland. For 30 years going to Charles you know you're going to tell your employers I want Jim thank you very much gonna Murphy from Chin feigns on the line to how you don't want to get out and so what you want to see him fans negotiate is of course it seems like we're in a kind of bizarre scenario here Conor Normally we would be talking about the terms of the deal of the deal that wasn't done this is a kind of crazy situation politically speaking we're still talking about whether there actually was a proposal even. Well. That's probably because of the you hear into the whole letter was everybody else that was a party to the negotiations and anybody in the media that I've spoken to over the last hour days all know that there's a proposition on the table that there was a draft agreement that both parties have come to an accommodation on that and that the do you pee couldn't close out the date with their own party and that's simply what happened so you know it might help people who are you know it might be an interesting art of say one side says just one says the other but the reality is everyone with the exception of the e.p. Is saying one thing you're saying one was on the table here when the 6 explain it for us how this how this works practically obviously the different documents have been going to and fro over many months and you get to document what you believe in draft has the skeleton of an agreement from the Shin Fein side is talking to who from the d.p. Side signing off saying take that to your people as eating in agreement on that well I mean when I get into. The menu detail of all of this the way any negotiation works is that your negotiation team can enter and bear in mind we've been at this 13 months it's probably the longest negotiation I've ever been involved in and I've been involved in quite a few We were not just 13 months and they all of the issues were very well rehearsed they do you pay brought issues to the table that they wanted us to accede to and we had a issues that we wanted addressed as. Normally go see action bring us back to terms of Good Friday Agreement so teams of negotiators get in the room that involves a variety of formats. People who are the negotiators from each party if we get to sticking points then it's usually the party leadership that Sainz often those they conclude those issues that they negotiators and sales can hammer out and that's the way it's done and you eventually come because it was quite a broad range of issues you come to a document which summarizes all that we have agreed over the course and that's an agreed document as well or is it a do you wish. Prepared a version in terms of the narrative and agreement tends to be a negotiation as well because people will want to present what is agreed in their own terms and obviously at some at some point of that do you kind of allow space for people because you know this is a selling exercise on both sides to allow some space and some liberty to be able to describe things the way I people who are very contradicting entirely goes in a very mean when did you get to the point where you're in a room with the d.p. Negotiators you're looking at one or 2 documents and saying we have the bases that to go forward Absolutely and the other negotiators were in the room with you every lesson the way you know that's the way it works we don't think sakti will happen in this case where we don't quite and say we have a dale and the other party are not aware of course you have to bring it or what it is they say to you Conor Well I don't want to go into that menu shelling the game's up now you might as well tell us Well the reality is that everybody knew on Friday even a day was on the table we went off to do our Edition Saturday we actually warned in the u.k. Before we left that if it isn't always on the day that people would get out and they would start to lose it was hard to unravel. And everybody expected on Monday that a day was to be done and then it as I said began to unravel and then do you call the very abrupt end to the protests on Wednesday with no warning to anyone and so we're left with the mess that we're left with but the reality is for the record and also the there is no way that attempts to say that this wasn't the case are in fact on the integrity of our negotiating team and our party leadership and we won't put up with that because that is the situation is as we described it and everyone in the process and prudent the media or watch that know that to be the case so you're in a room with the d.m.p. Negotiation team and you're there karmas that you're in that room yes and one or 2 documents are on the table with the outline of this draft deal and it was communicated across the table both ways there we are we can go we believe we can go forward with that we're at that stage Nah let's go sell it to one community as a probably was some tweaking in terms. Presentation to do to it's a there might have been one or 2 issues that you know in terms of presentation that weren't completely signed off on but not never as this stage any showstoppers there were other elements to this including we were talking to the British Government in relation to the legacy matters there were other elements and terms of a financial ask a full development subsidiaries language act as of the agreement between ourselves and the day you pay was on the table and it was a matter of agreeing a phonology of the presentation of that and once a kind of a positive atmosphere in that room at that point yes there was because I think after a very long period and quite often difficult because we're doing a very difficult issues we're dealing with we're dealing with a party there's a very diametrically opposed view of the world and we have in terms of our history in terms of culture Yes I was their idea their attitude towards rights so it was a very difficult negotiation at times and stages very fraught negotiation where we had got to a point where when you're home of these things out and people can see that there is the shipping of a day that can people can go and bring to their respective parties and for their support this is then of course the atmosphere then becomes more improved and we were in that position and I think both governments and you would know how to take shelter on a prime minister here in London both governments were in the view that this was available to be done and it on rather than on I think it was generally purely down to the handling of it by the do you pay internally and hard became unstuck within the d.v. I don't know because I'm not privy to that discussion right now on their well they also say it may have been the handling of the audition Saturday that didn't help that's absolutely not language you chuck your line up the rebels and all that kind of stuff that they heard broadcast from the audience do you think that was helpful that's rubbish because we engage with them on Monday and Tuesday and that wasn't an issue the issue was their own handling of what they had agreed with us you know and I mean I have heard and it's a bit on edifying various t.v. Spokespeople in the last couple days scrambling around to try and find that we did we won't say in Northern Ireland and we don't respect Britishness when there was a but it's cultural respect actors. Part of this was an ulcer Scots acts part is the word issues as we wanted to bring Austin terms of sustainability of institutions which were part of all of this and people have been scrambling around as I said on edifying way of the last number of days to try and come up with different reasons all of the time and relations is the reality is everybody knows what happened here and that's as I say it and you know it's a matter of deep regret for us because we had a negotiating team there including our party national leadership there for many many days and in the last number of weeks but over the last 13 months we have invested a huge amount of time in this so it is a matter of deep regret as a d.p. World able to deliver but nonetheless we have a responsibility to try to pick up the pieces and go forward a positive way where you just final question Conor there's going to be in this you in your mind if there are restored talks if there is another phase of the language we use about whether you go into the wondering even if you get to the draft agreement the next time can you trust the other side to say you did get to the point. Well that is an issue and I have to say there is obvious has crept into this process over the last couple days and the way it closed. That's something that we will have to deal with when after I don't always if ever to get into another process but there is a bigger question but can you trust these the u.p.a. Negotiators going into it's not so it's not a matter of trusting people it's a matter of trusting the process of even stablished between us and there is a bigger question there are not is you know I have no doubts that the people that we were dealing with wanted to reach an agreement I have no doubt in my mind that they want to see the institutions restored obviously on terms of their find acceptable to themselves. But in any negotiation you come to an accommodation International that but I think the bigger question for us is are the people that we're negotiating with able to deliver if we come to an agreement with them whether we trust them or don't trust them is not material and all this is going to deliver because you can only negotiate with people that can actually deliver something on the other side of Qana thank you very much Donna Murphy from Fane and in the past few minutes the 2nd Tuesday car Bradley has been on a bit of a walkabout in the center of Belfast Victoria Square She's been speaking about the latest political fallout he was just 50 seconds or so what she's been saying this is been a difficult way come not going to make any pretense of that we were extraordinary hard to to do our very best to enable an executive to behold I still believe that that be done with the will of the politicians to deliver on what the people of Northern Ireland want and need which is their elected politicians doing the right thing and they're bring devolved governments for the people of Northern Ireland and the message across from the retailers in the shop as I've met them if that's what they want to they want to exploit the opportunities that would come from stable government being able to deliver the reforms and the transformation that this country made so I owed it to develop them to deliver that I will do all I can to try to get people back into stores. Because I genuinely believe. The people of Northern Ireland where that was helpful was not the secular State Karen Bradley saying something she could have said at any point in the past 30 months in this process a kind of holding statement from the Northern Ireland Office depending on which Texas States in that job Patricia McBride The former victims commissioner is on the line Hi Patricia. And I see you've been commenting on Foster's leadership in all of this and her potential future what are your thoughts. On the thing 1st of all I'm surprised you're not broadcasting from Scarborough today this is possibly the biggest challenge we've seen in the north the many years. That there was an accommodation or an agreement or framework had been the great it's the d.p. Versus shinty and the Irish government and every one of. The difficulty that the spaces are in foster and is that if we return to position of direct route then she places her state of anomaly. She therefore is no longer eligible to be later of the Democratic Unionist Party. Because their constitution requires that their leader is either an m.p. An m.l.a. Or an army to take. So you're trying to put of 11th Henschel countesses there there can m.p. There are many pay later we're looking at a leadership contest within the pay or alternatively they go in and have a special party conference to change their constitution. Made it difficult to create the party of course but there's no heir apparent and there's no sign that any of their Westminster M.P.'s with want to take will not rule when we asked that the u.p.a. They sit on in force is absolutely solid and safe there's no suggestion that she's weekend in this process or that she's facing any kind of leadership challenge and of course now you've got many of the only leadership challenge many of the commentators whether she's saying or not we're not likely to have full full of full blown direct rule we're probably likely to have some compromise version of it well that remains to be saying because. Last week I said that I didn't believe the Theresa May would come to Belfast because of the way that. The d.p. Had reacted and scuppered her lunch with younger and December and regards to the stands one day on Wrexham association it turns out that she has a secretary and then I gave her credit for in fairness she did come to the fast but she came to bounce us for exactly the same thing that the d.p. Did and to stand or to happen again there was the bones of an agreement on the d.p. Buckled they check and died at the last moment I'm something is happening with them not party that they need to address if you look at the comments from Ayman Mali and other respected journalists they're very much saying that the day you pm and was all there is in the negotiating team didn't know what the family arc of the agreement was again he has made no attempt to consult with their grassroots and with their supporters and activists. They appear to have reacted in fear under pressure from unknown person and have walked away from a negotiation where the Irish government aggressors government on the other political party early we were barely getting there we were almost to the actually of the bank one of the petition actually running the party Patricia thank you very much Patricia McBride you'll remember if you thought last night the v. The d.p. M.p. Gregory Campbell was asked about these as he's to do with Arlene Foster's position as leader of the party he gave her his full backing and the nonsense that people are peddling that this calls into question Arlene Foster's leadership I mean you really need to get a grip you know unionism give their answer to Sion fiends demand that we accept their wish list we never were going to and we didn't they may have wanted to give a farewell present to Gerry Adams and of course Greg Campbell's another in battling form on these issues for quite some time the past few days we did get in touch with a d p we did ask them to be on the program today they haven't been able to get any one for us yet but course that's why we're using clips Brian Feeney is offering Foster's position in any way adult now no I don't think so. I agree we need never sit on this road of peace and Thursday saying that it's simply degrees of hard line in the day you pick you do forget. You know Arlene resigned from the u.p. Because she didn't agree was David Trimble compromising to sign the Good Friday agreement you know early in Foster's not exactly a shrinking violet or the I mean her career pretension is not one of being a moderate so it's you know I don't I don't think she went along and said I recommend as she actually said she didn't make any recommendation but she did go into a party meeting and find her proposals rejected. She just decided she couldn't sell it and she said on Team times she couldn't sell it so the only the only danger that she faces is that this is rather peculiar because she demands direct route but if there is complete direct rule as Patricia big bright said Arlene is out of a job then then her leadership comes under question because the Constitution of the party but not because the against or you never say let's consider the scenario and trying to make sense of where we are let's assume and it's a big assumption it's disputed by the do you people less assume this that the negotiators got to that point describe for us by Connor Murphy looking across the table at each other they now have a draft document they have the bones the skeleton on agreement for example on the Irish Language Act They're there they're relieved they've got to that point after all these months and now they've got to go and sell it to their base as it were shin feigns then able to do that they are dashing beyond and the d.p. Is on able to do that because of this backlash that they began to see on Sunday and on Monday where does that put the do you Pete they can do one of 2 things they can say well we did agree to the draft outline of a deal but we weren't able to sell it and which case people say well you're weak you don't understand your base or you misunderstood your base and that's a sign of weakness in your leadership or they might be able to say well no deal was put to us. Well know they're just going to have to bite the bullet and get on with it and if you look carefully at their language they do realize that no doors have been permanently closed I mean you know one foster pulled right off the talks on Wednesday she said that that they'd be looking at a time of one or 2 months to to reach a final agreement they know they have nowhere else to go they mean that they neuer appear to be less inclined to go to storm but remember this is after 13 months of being far more desperate than the end to get back to Storm and they they really do want to do evolution Bacque they're just not used as a party to having to take a hit they you know they've had a run of constant victories for the past 2030 years to the point where they find it difficult even to to sell an overall package but still better for them if it includes 11 defeat you know when you look at the rest of what appears to have been a grade the d.p. Has got a very good deal on most of the issues that were on the agenda but it's going to take a big loss on the Irish language act as one of your other earlier callers said there's no unionist a pail and not every industrialized Ulster Scots is nonsense it's not a lot of balancing consolation so they're just going to have it just as you said. The d.p. Is just going to have to accept that it's going to have to take a loss on this one part of the package to get the better package overall they're going to have to take the punishment of selling up they're going to have to stand up to their friends voters and members they don't have a choice in the matter on the I think that we're going to say that the true battle of Foster's leadership tested and she comes to terms with one of those talk about and a Military Covenant as though that if that had been part of a I want to want to you might have got your him across the line one of your callers brought up but I mean we don't know we don't know what you know what was in the detail. But when we do know for example that legacy has been discussed and then to agree to a great depth and that it appears that that's going to be dumped on to consultation which is something that shouldn't be in or certainly Republican victims' groups didn't want because we. I'm kind of 911 years of consultation one victim's issues that all keeps coming up with the c m a c m M's broadly Starr reports they also talked about a committee to look at a bill of rights again we had a decade long committee that sat on not and produced proposals that were completely unworkable and got that so it looks like Sinfield has bought a pile of mud that bangs on not again in fact issue by issue as you look at this the day you pay has one on every point except the arse language but by focusing in on not trying to balance that as a discrete little package on its own with us all Scots nonsense they've lost everything they're just going to have to to go back to this repackage it for sale again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory urine analysis that's going to Terry in Bangor Hi Terry. I am a former executive member of the day you pay I say it day you pay has betrayed the Union it's people that talk about it they are raised and I'm rich active my daughter want a job and the civil service she would have to speak Irish Ok has no intention of speaking but that's not true what he told the only theory that's not true that's a myth it's not a man it's a myth only people could get your moment if this was to be brought in would be Roman Catholic Terry it's not true you're just saying something is not true because the majority of the speakers are Roman Catholic Terry it's not you making stuff up it's not true you know what I'm not making it up with Ask the Irish language we've asked the Irish language people with Fein with us all those involved no one is proposing that Terry but yes because they're not coming here but that's not realistic all right if you want York and Northern Ireland I. And the Northern Ireland civil service. But this. Is not Irish you would have to be able to speak our Except that's not true Terry you are only a Protestant Terry did you hear Mary did you hear Mary Lemaitre dong are you going to miss them all right curly right. I'm having some manners but we have to have a debate as well and know you're trying to talk me down on not that me make my point I'm letting you make your point Terry but part of my job that we don't allow the proliferation of mythology an untruth it's not all untrue that's the way it would be if there was an Irish language if there was an Irish language act you would have to to get a job in a civil service you would have to be able to speak Irish and the vast majority of Protestants do not speak Irish people that speak Irish are mostly Roman Catholics and I don't former executive member of the day you pay and I'll tell you 9 the vast majority of you know I think you know people have been betrayed there is a leader running around in storm and handing out process every Tom Dick and Ira and they and a government to get into a storm and that's just all right Terry thank you very much and you will have heard Mary Lou told earlier saying the quote proposal was never on the cards it was never a requirement in the deal that she believes that she negotiated that there would be compulsory required of anybody to join the civil service for example you wouldn't have to have that and we've had that point made repeatedly by Conan a gala go public and other people in the Irish language community saying that was never on the table there was never the suggestion that was never the proposal have to keep saying that because we have been doing a bit of myth busting on this ourselves this week on the program and he's Ok for us to debate the terms of a deal but let's be clear what's not in the terms of a deal as well Brian and hi Brian. Hi William. Your whole post today is on who to believe is the sense in I as a parent and no one on a feller's who's telling the truth what I care about is the health of my parents and the health of my well being of my children we are being held to ransom by not point not 2 percent need to be heard in our us to go to court children or these families M.P.'s aware that children have the ability to deliver just hitting illnesses like school uses once are diagnosed with 3 years night to see a console because the National Health is coming before our eyes children who need can manage winter supposed to be seen every 6 months don't get sing for 15 months at the earliest all because no point not 2 percent won't speak in the courts and want the Commission to complain to the Irish language is already adequately hindered for they can open schools with no quotas they get 3 to 4 times more per child in that school than state schools get they can speak and Irish and ask for a translator and any government department albeit they can't do it in the courts so we're all been held around some because no point not 2 percent of the population want to speak Irish if they're brought before the court brought on they won't speak the commissioner Brian give you last time that thank you very much that's Brian's take on it from the bag final call in this George in Hollywood Hi George there are struggling with how do you get your good on who you believe in today. I suspect to run through this we've covered quite a lot of points since I was reading we have the rest of our. Site. I suspect Nigel village once director Roman is making a play to the haters yet but anyway you can lose a point on treason a liver and getting a raise here but I believe in it's a resentment we know we had it the week and they need a reason the telltale and other. Presume he has the water with their own brain and that article was published we know we can jam knowledge during any Gratian that I'll run anyway then there's a satellite and so on and so forth and I think that's what's booked. The do you party blog or do you do you think was ready to do the deal but then they got spooked by a tide of phenomena of outrage from unionism Yes I think they were testing the water by the lake. And then when they were getting paid back that they got back and not that it was a compromise or rather of a sale like I didn't really spoken with George isn't it the reality of our politics that unless you can bring that community with your base you don't have a deal really well of course no what is the reality of here but within that that actually runs the heart of the problem here we do not have honest conversations here not really we don't we skirt around a nation is really scaring our dogs or organise a glimpse of us to news today relate to the majority Irish Nationalist community London Irish language Jack because it's more but it's a tannic a shoot and it's symbolism and not what we want British immunise to accept that identity of Ari should dentity the language and culture. And if they don't enter the is here rather than just the languages you know I've got to work with but we had a point made many times George thank you very much thank you very much George and really would marry here it says on text someone needs to tell the d.p. The war is over when feign explanation signs credible and reasonable and authentic There is no explanation for the sort of last ditch politics it is self-defeating irrational there must be some kind of paranoia says Mary within the day you people that's it from us. Around the corner many times on this he said on this is you and I'm sure we will do again Brian Feeney numbers and thanks to both you. Call us on 030. 5555 Tweet be nice to talk back text into 1771 or e-mail the program talk talk back to b.b.c. Dot com dot you can. Well thankfully a bit of change a change of pace at the very least from all the politics now and my goodness could we use it to remarkable artists are performing on tour in various venues this weekend and I think you're going to enjoy them here too they've performed all round the world from the b.b.c. Proms in London to working with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and probably just about everywhere as I can see from the website everywhere in between they are percussionists Gunnell Gunnell Gunnell Gunnell thank you one and all of our cocks and together they make up oh do you see what you did the old euro Welcome to both. And you guys have been you've been together as percussionist and a duo for quite some time think what 18 years is it now yeah yeah as long as not short on time especially for percussion Yeah. We study the whole College of Music in the late ninety's very posh Yeah I mean as you can hear as well we're very cautious. Yeah in the late ninety's we met there and to do a sort of all casual question degree and we got together and I just thought that maybe this is something we could do and then one thing led to another we did a couple of things we did the Edinburgh Fringe. We started off doing background music history museum in London that was kind of our 1st ever things and then. We did 3 years in a row and that kind of a car teeth there and and from there just yeah it's kind of the Regulus really that we still do. Still demand I've been watching some of your videos it's amazing because don't get the impression that these guys will be standing behind or something you just leave they are all over it's acrobatic practically they're dancing all over the place and they're capturing some amazing signs Let's hear a little bit from this is I think of the Presto how listener this visualize. Of course is from the latest cd which is called Searching just just released and they're on tour they've already been to the ferry tonight buying good Castle tomorrow night port security love port security and the floor field Arts Center on Sunday and gives a sense of the variety of percussion instruments that make you so yeah well I mean as you mentioned we have the marimba So that's kind of the biggest member of the chain massive Yes huge I mean a good 8 feet long and the right notes or a so that I didn't ask the big daddy and then you know we have a variety of other chain percussion instruments kind of getting smaller and smaller by. Feel difference between a democracy and I well if you come to the concert. So basically the marimba. Should know this are the basically. Feel metal and hopefully some. Conductors are listening because quite often they don't know the difference and if you stand behind the xylophone of the 2nd we have more in the glockenspiel and your look around so still in the box. So you and then we have loads of drums Yeah yeah. Yeah bases as much as you can fit into a medium wheelbase fan you must have a big family you're travelling Yes quite big which often is quite funny because the last thing people expect when they see a transit van away is to classical musicians whenever you get a ferry especially with a white yeah argument used to be silver but it live when it was dirty when we used to get the ferry we was used to make sure that when pulled up at customs we learned quick this is terrible it's like if we put on some classical music and say we're doing concerts they never bothered looking back don't take that if anybody but. Yeah you know it's the last thing you expect when you see us turning I did you know you got a Russian for bringing kids into this particular with classical music Yeah well I mean I think the thing is you know. I mean a it's just fantastic getting kids involved and they were involved but as he said this in the Latin is just so excessive I'm you know you know we really lucky in that we can let kids loose on our instruments you know as long as they got the right mallet It's not that much damage they can do as you can really do that with a string quartet they can hand their violins I think so yes so you know we have on our side and we I mean we heard I mean I had enough growing up you know when you started playing and so on and would be a musician and I had plenty of time for you know some people are cut that we started that no charts you know that you know we had to play the problems and things like that no chance but you know we both were state schools we weren't specialist music schools so I thought we were kind of the idea that anyone could do it if you know if you practice hard enough it's not for the elite not for the elite class. Can we get a bit of the drumming I think we got one call the signal from space signals from space what are you playing here well a lot of stuff here there's a lot of stuff I mean in the whole percussion sections and yeah I mean in this particular. We're going to hear it's mainly drums and chain is a huge big bass drum this. Some kind of thing and we've got a bucket with. A. Suspension spring so. It's a whole kind of demonstration of the random. Colors and it. Signals from space but I'm told not only do you use the full percussion section or anything that you can turn into percussion you could probably turn this table obviously into percussion but you don't need anything you do you can do with your hands yeah I mean one of the very well known piece written by one of the most Bona living composers. And it's called Clapping Music and he wrote that because he was fed up of touring the world with his group he was because. He was fed up of touring and the insurance been substandard. And then also them getting lost I mean we've got this a few times are not turning up in places so you have to improvise Yeah. This is I think 50 seconds can you give us some last. 30 seconds on it would stop. Every day. So that is. You can stop now. I'm telling you earlier way early in the way all around the world even with a no have a percussionist in front of they can do it all in go all over Cox they are you can see them as part of their tour in Puerto ferry tonight at the portico Bangor Castle tomorrow night.