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Well. If you're over nervous disposition I would like to relocate to the beautiful vicinity of Inverness. Hoping to interest you in 1941 either a bomb shelter which was updated in the eighty's. Nuclear biological or chemical attacks according to the official description of his bomb doors blast shield decontamination facilities 2 diesel generators and an air filtration system how on earth could anyone resist according to a recent piece in the sun even every one of the much smaller bunkers comes up for sale from the u.k. Warning a monitoring organization sells like hotcakes the deluxe Highland model has a car park. Well it's time to join Adam Russia for this week's game on and then just a few hours someone will have a new job as part of McLaren's racing team here's Adam I know this is game on and I'm Adam Ross of. The McLaren motor sport company's been in the vanguard of technological advances in motor racing for years their 1st all carbon fiber bodied Carvey m.p. For Smash one was well doubt on the 5th of March 981 McLaren stung to develop its simulated technology 20 years ago now the company has 3 custom rigs including one dedicated for use by its Formula One team and no one else Last Monday I was at the company's Norman Foster designed headquarters outside working think Bond villain style left and you won't be far wrong for the press play for their latest innovation the world's fastest growing a competition 12 gamers 6 chosen in open competition across a variety of platforms and 6 selected by panel were 7 board at the McLaren Technology Center for over a week of competition the complete this week with the announcement of who will be getting a spot at the company to drive the dedicated computer simulator and be part of McLaren racing thank Brown is the executive director of McLaren technology group and when we met last Monday I asked him why they decided to hold the world's fastest game a competition e-sports is critically important to the simulation in a form Formula One teams now so much of what we do is simulation and so and also sports is becoming the new grassroots of motor sport to be carting which is a very expensive venture and that it's also a younger more diverse audience around the globe so it's a combination of all those factors creating new McLaren fans ultimately the best simulator drivers will help contribute like all overdoes to the real racing in contributing to our race team create a bigger audience create a young. Her audience so it ticks lots of Oxus it seems to be a woman in northern european there is somebody from Mexico but it's a northern hemisphere at the moment does that trouble you well didn't trouble you you know you the we had lots of participants and ultimately the best ones are going to be you who make it to the final 12 we can't control age gender geography I think what we can do next time around is make sure that we get the word out about world's fastest game or to the most diverse broad geographic gender and then you know we're always going to be this is a competition so the best 12 are going to rise to the top no matter where they come from we can't manufacture that football soccer n.f.l. Cricket of all realize that the young so cohorts won't coming to go behind a Bible or if they were seen to be inaccessible you know we have lots of young consumers out there that eventually one of these days are gone to hopefully by a McLaren road car at the extreme so we've got a huge fan base we want to engage with that fan base and the sports is a fantastic way to really have someone I want to gauge meant between or racing team our brand in and the consumer with their steering wheel in there and what stops you from being gimmicky that the payouts real you know what we're going to expect the simulator driver to contribute to our Formula One team so you know sponsors maybe in the past have done an official pick remember in reality they're just gonna hang around or in the outfit but we don't want to touch in the car this is going to become a job for someone so I think there's a big difference between the 2 there is an event in London tonight the schools industry awards but there don't seem to be any driving gangs in that wants this time around do you think that's going to change I hope that will change I think that will change I think we're the 1st movers in the space is a Formula One team Formula One's now doing there e Sports I'm sure other teams will follow and then that awareness I'm sure things you know the industry will recognise its popularity and embrace it next year around for me to really tell something in. Trysting there's the boosts people get voted for on social media so that's a real world sport with those of an on line in Gauge mint this quantity makes you think anything like that's going to come to Formula One or they get to conservative . To conservatives the right right word but I think what formally does is excellent that manner I think we need to engage with our fan base how you do that there's many different ways whether it's the t.v. Shows or the rock stars who the fans are voting but I think e-sports a social and digital media are a great way to engage with the faith and it needs to be a 2 way conversation whether that manifests itself in do actually on track competition I think would be early to tell that Brown there someone with more than half an eye on the future and the Olivers that mentioned is someone we'll hear from later during Cox developed the world's fastest game a competition is a hidden gem of the sports you know there are millions and millions of people racing online right now whether that be on a mobile phone or whether that be on a you know 10000 pound. Rig in a time when motorsport audiences are getting older and getting smaller there is a ready made bunch of fans out there there are racing that have got an amazing amount the knowledge about our sport that the sport isn't engaging and it's just about now happening that everybody's doing that it's into the make their point if people aren't wanting to drive fast cars fast while my wanting to watch other people drive fast cars fast or while they convert into an audience for actual f one Well I think the new f one owners are making some strides towards that you know everyone's been very secretive up to this point and one of the things these guys want is information they want behind the scenes stories not just of the drivers but of the technology and of the data you know there was a time when Lewis published some of his data traces and everyone threw a fit about that and quite rightly but why not show that data why not show boy Lewis is quicker than Valtteri around in a certain corners he's braking better is there just the mid corner speeds better. You would engage the audience is a lot you know look at Premier League football the amount of movement has been taken in terms of data and on our know that someone run 10 kilometers and someone else is around 7 kilometers and why would I pick him rather than him because he's passed accuracy is 87 percent rather than 67 percent and that's been sucked up by the fans and that's not happened in motor racing where these guys know exactly why they're fast on the game because they understand that data they understand it better than anyone else so easy just about you know our sport motor racing engaging with the younger audience in the way they want to be engaged with and that doesn't necessarily mean with a big subscription to behind a paywall a company is about providing more and more content for free where they are either on You Tube or Twichell one of these platforms and they're engaged with the material and they're making a capital investment some of them in bits of kids who allow them to play the games Watty what my problems will be with my motor racing and computer games is I learnt to drive by driving not by driving a computer simulation I still don't get the feedbacks from the simulations that I get from the real world so when I try to drive fast cars on these things it was hardly wrong I can actually drive fast cars I can do it here now is that because my skill sets wrong or I'm not engaged with the material are I'm using the wrong technology to engage with the games I think guys of our generation of got to completely turn our heads back to front is a brilliant study from America which talks about why the m.l.s. The Major League Soccer has been such a success so fast and started to challenge some of the big sports over there and one of the main reasons is fee for the game the kids over there are finding out about football through a game and then at some point they will watch a game at some point they'll buy a jersey and at some point they might kick a football now for us it was the other way around we kicked a football 1st we did a study 2 years ago where 78 percent of gamers found motor racing through gaming not the other way around you and I would have drank the Brands Hatch or Alton pie. Or somewhere and watch the racing and got into it not got into it these guys don't get that the audience is even at club racing events are going down the way that we're finding our new fans has to be through these these platforms so yes you and I might not be very fast on a simulator but these kids are and in a way that's the way they're finding how to drive on the roads as well and there's some there's some road safety programs that are using simulation technology in the developing countries that the f.i.a. Are backing and they're helping reduce accident levels by people starting to drive on simulators Of course not as expensive for as complex as the ones we have here at the McLaren Technology Center but it's a way of teaching people how to drive without making having accidents so I think the answer to your question is it's a generational thing but if you try hard you know and you put yourself in the mindset of if I crash something's going to happen you will find yourself getting faster and better on the simulators the more conservative in koan is braking that slightly harder than I would actually to yes why does McLaren need another simulator driver and why from this community we've just heard all of it's saying he's done $400.00 days since he's been at McLaren in the simulator McLaren got 3 simulators we understand Red Bull got 3 simulators Force India of 2 simulators the amount of testing is being reduced in the real world and focus and effort and performance are being put on again in the virtual world who says that a failed if you like racing driver who gets to form a 3 or 4 minutes who will be the best simulates driver who knows because that might be someone who comes from the virtual world so McLaren are thinking ahead there are these millions of millions of gamers you know I remember saying Fernando long as anyone one of these championships and someone says I was about to be the best rice in drive in the world he said I'm not the best racing driver in the world there's a guy driving a bus in Mexico that is he just doesn't know it yet there are significantly more people racing online than there are racing in the real world so why is it that someone it's not backed by government with oil money or their dad with money that they've made or their dad's business associates that gets to form on because of money or doesn't get from one because of money and therefore can become a simulator driver. It's going to be any better they go and it's got no money that we find in the virtual world it's a brilliant engineer this fantastically intelligent and communicative lot of things you need for a simulator driver that works for the team that can improve the performance of McLaren going forward you understand the setup of the car is played with the engine settings itself in the simulators that's that dynamic relationship and the u.k. British games makers are very very central to that industry we have a number of studios here that lead the market so McLaren doing this in a place where we have market leaders making the simulators themselves that's right all levels in fact you know Codemasters is based in the Midlands they might be from long going all the way up to as you say my family one of the 1st Formula One teams do simulation the smaller businesses like base performance and next Formula One test drive a downturn a set that business that many many years ago so all levels are the big gaming with a b the high end McLaren all those sort of 3rd party suppliers they're all based in the u.k. To a certain extent So again it's one of those technology stories you know a subset of the motor sport community and industry around the most sport Valley that we lead in the u.k. You're working with McLaren unite member of McCarran they just employed someone who's going to be the head of a sports and divine encouraging Absolutely and they won't be the last McLaren a leading in this space we are asked all the time what McLaren up to the other team should be doing not just in phoning other sports and my family just taking the lead and they will reap benefits and as Brown who heads up this project for McLaren and the f one team said You know there are partners and sponsors are looking at this space that want to be involved and one of the reasons they want to be involved is because of the glamour of Formula One the fact that you're bringing a different audience now we have got people that watch the content and the films that we're making around this people are playing the games are all of the audience to isn't watching from the one today so partners and sponsors want to be part of this and therefore my. Aaron we're going to take advantage of that and we're going to resource themselves to do that how far of you think it is will find an f one driver on the course who actually came to it through games rather than coming to it through karting and Formula Ford and all those other different vectors we've already got one and I think the issue is the u.s.b. Either define where they came through gaming or through the real routes going forward Lando Norrish turns 18 Today's been announced in last couple of weeks as McLaren's reserve and test driver if you ask him if he's a gamer both you know the guy races on I race thing all the time he's in the simulator when he's not racing or gaming so the crossovers happened you know these guys are coming through even Max or snap and he doesn't like to admit it but I raced for a virtual racing called redline racing while he was also racing in the real world so the crossovers come it's happened we missed that we've got a game with it probably be the next world champion no emacs a stamp and we've got these young kids coming through at Lambeau Norris from McLaren There are both gamers and racing drivers so it's happened in the course of our previous project with g.t. Academy we showed that you know we had at 1.13 guys that were racing around the world that never raced a race car before they didn't at all competitions so it's already happened it's not up on everybody and this is now the future you won't be able to be a real driver if you haven't raced in the virtual world and done a huge amount of time in the simulator all of a turvy knows the simulator possibly better than anyone else he's the f one teams test driver and he came up the traditional route when the McLaren was but you can drive of the Year award at the end of 2006 and that that got me a prize test with McLaren in the form long car and I had my 1st film on test in 2009 as part of that prize and the team signed me as a official test driver and I've been part of team for 8 seasons and limited track test in say the majority my role is spent here in the work in in a simulator with the engineers and development of the car set up for each compre support in the race team on a race weekend you also work with the guys or. World's Fastest pool if you like a talent interest and see how they go through this process and I think you know McLaren of certainly come up with a fantastic process to test them in many different race and and also ultimately the final test will be in the simulator and you know to see how they can adapt to you know that environment of the ultimate really Formula One simulator is going to be really interested in you similarly to the car you simulate the tracks why don't you simulate the driver Well that's the hardest bit I think. Actually being out to simulate a human being and simulate how a driver reacts how a driver feels a car is very tricky and I think that's why having a simulator in a factory where they just put the driver in is is the best way of you know really get in you know the realistic feeling of the driver so I c. An't part in the whole thing isn't it the tracks like been racing on the Indy 500. In Brazil 24 out you've driven yourself Suzuka over those tracks which do you think is the most testing which is the most extreme I think they're all a challenge in tracks they all those a good selection of tracks for sure and you know I think I have a lot of experience of racing at Limone done it $33.00 times the 24 hours and finished on the podium twice you know I think the challenge of racing at them on the 24 hours is a real real challenge of you know racing through the night and I think that's that's going to be really interesting to see but I think of the circuits the most challenging ones probably Suzuka I've I raced out in Japan actually myself in g.t. For 2 seasons and raced at Suzuka it's one of the most energy sectors in the world so I think it's one of the fastest most flow in and of its goal of and to lay sions and and certainly one the many drivers things one of the most challenging so you know I think it's going to be probably the most challenging circuit to drive on the same but I guess racing is probably the kind of ultimate test of endurance That's cross from all of our. To motor sport through counting to one of the finalists Harrison Janks is from Lowestoft he's a known quantity on the sports scene Rob Let's get it out of the way you do not have a driving license you have a provisional driving license and you are worked with your test so how far off is the test is not too far so I've had lessons many years ago but for years all various different reasons it didn't quite work out of and mainly I say financially and it wasn't viable at the time now that's interesting because cost is a barrier to entry to motor sport as well as a barrier to entry to driving on the regular roads so if you weren't in a position to drive computers you wouldn't be here now would you there's no way into motorsport somebody you can't afford to be in motor sport history I say you need a platform to be able to demonstrate what you're able to do so likewise with being up to full of lessons in the real world in the virtual world you need to know a computer or know a console of some kind where you can get a game and show people what you have and what you're about when say is then a case of trying to get a steering wheel set up and pedals itself and a proper name monitor to make sure it's as good as possible and a place if you need to so there's very different levels of money involved but yet the 2 can be linked together certainly your system at home or you're running only for me and I'll be using an x. Box one console and a Mad Catz pro racing well and just a standard solve not desk chair as such but not a proper racer and that and nothing too fancy nothing like what we got here today does if you're very different racing with these kinds of high end setups even from what you're doing your home to where you are now I think the biggest thing that I'm finding not not difficult to adjust to be findings of the it's apparent. The quickest is the driving position. The wheel and pedals pedals mainly because there's different resistances between different that's a pedal sustain well and as long as the force feedback and things are set up relatively the same from whatever will use it you can get the same kind of fail but a c. . In terms of how outstretched your legs are how but your legs are and your arms in terms of how far you have to put your arms out straight to connect to the wheel those are things that I think of making the base difference lap time wise and most of us have it certainly myself us of a challenge I'll call the moment one of the biggest physical challenges you're going to have is actually driving in the limo race for 24 hours or rather for parts over 24 hours as part of the Meant same so have you ever done anything of that kind of insurance racing before Luckily for me and as of last weekend I did take part in a $25.00 insurance sim race so that was my 1st experience of that kind of thing it was a challenge Normally I would do maybe a full race f one race and hour and a half 2 hours and have breaks in between and different stints and different people driving different times but you have to be alert even when you're not in the sea and not in driving the car itself you have to be awake and knowing what's going on most the time you can try and sneak in an hour or 2 here and there but it doesn't tend to do too much force of the relaxation side of it and see the mental side of it as well as a big aspect I'm looking forward to though I didn't join the 24 hour ice is a different kind of ice I'm used to say new but hopefully will get through to a station of admission and while on that side of things Harrison maybe a familiar face the some Henrik Drew not so much my name is Henry Drew I'm afraid 4 years old and I live in calling Denmark and I work as a doctor I play video games but that was back in the ninety's but then just school and medical school just caught my attention but then as the smartphones came and the tablets I downloaded some racing games and I've done that in my spare time and then when I saw your club the host of this I thought Ok I want to give this is shot you don't race for you don't race the I racing or in the of other big platforms you came at this through the cash list going there is how much of step change is it's come out of vans and be sitting here because we're looking we're in the theater on stage specialist racing chairs from spark specialist steering wheel setups completely different to what you were working with this is. Oceans apart from what you are doing this is a completely new game for me without doubt without doubt because as you say I have never played of those racing titles before I've just played on my tablet once in a while when I got the notice that I had qualified I try to practice but again spare time is very limited for me with the work and also my family I have 2 small children so really I'm being tested to my limits here but we had our 1st long race yesterday 71 laps and that was done and platform and I racing and I managed to finished the race in 5th positions I actually think that's quite a good achievement going on Safin from All right that's just remarkable do you think the fact that you've worked as a doctor the craft skill of hands on being a doctor is not just about books it's also about working with people and work with technology is also that the focus that you need if you've been working in surgical rotations which you've done as well so this focus this attention to detail as learning on the job all of those kinds of things there's a kind of flexibility that I can see crossing over from being a doctor to being a racing car driver bizarre as it might sound yeah you're right and I also think my academic background and the work that I have done and do they actually give me some some forces and some abilities that I can use not only here in these rounds here but also as a job as a simulator driver at McLaren without doubt one of the things that they're asking for from the winner is that that come in and it will be a go unfortunately there are no women in this competition yet that person is going to be feeding back to the team that they're going to be in a dialogue with the engineers about the car and about the simulation about the changes they've been made so you feel well placed if you got to the final if you became the winner you feel low price to be in that kind of relationship with a team of experts yes because also due to my field of work being at a hospital working as a doctor you're used to to working with many different people and being part of the bigger team. And also in the operating for years and where that we have been right sometimes we are used to communicate clearly to letting people know what we want and what we are doing so I certainly think that I can adapt and use those abilities of course I need to acquire new knowledge but I know these guys are the best skilled in the world so they will without doubt learn and learn me that and I know I am able to to adapt that knowledge but what Obamacare and looking for my color is the head of human performance of McLaren's applied technologies I put it to him that a racing car driver could no longer be a James Hunt style character prodigious the gifted but not confronted by the high tech realities of modern f one tons of change in motor sport some will say for the worse and others for the better I mean I think for me all we've done is we've we've transferred our knowledge base of what we're doing with the car in terms of instruments in terms of getting data from them and then trying to understand the cause and effect of of an engineering change and we've now are applying that the person that I see in the car so any next year 28 in the f.i.a. Mandating a biometric glove so they're going to start monitoring racing drivers looking oxen saturation and heart rate the main reason for that is actually from a health safety point of view so in the event of an x. And Hooty they go insane but actually in time I think you'll start using that data sets to enhance the performance of the individual so no different to what you did in the car but just for the human sport people are under scrutiny and why they weren't before now the amateurs that you've got up here I mean how do they compare in a sort of strict biometric sense are you encouraged by the by some of them was quite interesting is that we have some of our own racing drivers to this program so we have a pretty good baseline and we're still at the early stages of of assessing these guys so it's difficult to truly know moment time how they fare what they do have is that they do have a real crossover and some. Of skills and attributes so we're looking at a Cessna they're stimulus recognition so what cues are they picking up on and we're looking at their central nervous systems or how they processing that and then we're looking at the sort of actuations So the end products could be reaction or or fine motor control so there are similarities how they compare at this moment are a bit too early to say but we've got good baseline to compare them against and so what we're looking at doing is obviously being able to assess over the process of of the next 5 days who is adapting their caucus to these challenges because it's that type of person that we want to be selecting to be us and drive. A completely new set of people to f one and it is interesting from the biomechanical point of view that you're not getting the same kinds of people you would have been getting in the past I think with the new ownership of the one with Liberty Media is actually a conference of theirs a few days ago and you know they see e-sports as being hugely important to their overall business because it's sort of horses for courses and I mean some people will really enjoy watching on t.v. Other people want to watch the highlights other people are not interested but want to play it through through gaming all of it is relevant and it may be the income for gamers to watches and watches to game is so I think that as a result of this growth of e Sports you are seeing a new demographic coming into into motor sport some of them may have no major interest in Formula One But I think that when you speak to our finalists most of them have some or a significant level of interest in Formula One and I think that that's just great for the sport might Collyer there the winner of the world's fastest game or is announced next week and I'll be reporting back combat in the next edition Thanks for listening to more my Premier League football then anyone else this is b.b.c. 5 live just up at half past 3 in time for the news now with Kevin McGrath I know the Merkel the German chancellor so she'd prefer a new. 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Tina Brown was already a hot editor at Tattler when she was recruited to New York to take charge of the real Vanity Fair in our 8 years as editor she added a 1000000 readers and kept an office diary Tina came to talk to Sarah Brightman a how. About the newly published Vanity Fair diaries $983.00 to 1902 on the dial Lemma of one's famous friends becoming news stories that was always a cunt difficult when you're an editor because you do make friends clearly when you're editing and you want to make sure that you're a lawyer friend in your in your private life in every way but you also have times when you've got to choose between the people that you've just met who seem perfectly charming in the stuff they're actually doing on the world stage that you have to cover I had many for instance an encounter with Donald Trump who's. I extracted the art of the deal which was his 1st book which of course trot him to fame really and you know at that time I took the extract I said I said I love the book actually and I did as I said it was authentic b.s. Which is what I thought it was actually I said it was like being nose to nose with a con man for 4 hours and and really finding that the American public I suspected would would like nothing better which is cannot be rather prescient but then later on we started to cover him really more intensely in the financial shenanigans and he's divorced. Ivana and then he didn't like it a tall and when I was a ballistic when one of our writers right wrote this piece saying how he had a copy of Hitler speeches on the desk huge when it made an absolute desert so angry that when he met her at a dinner party shortly afterwards he emptied wine down the back of her dress and then sped off the other side of the room without so much as a 2nd thought Wow Ok because I also of course you've met Ronald and Nancy many many times and then of course when something like the Iran Contra thing breaks and it's huge news. Then what you know what you just a situation then you have to be an editor and that's what I was was 1st and foremost and sometimes even you know with my more even much more personal friends and the Reagans could ever be counted out because they were acquaintances or I actually ended up having quite a difficult time when one of my good friends was Sally Quinn who is married to the great American energy Ben Bradley and he was had a fabulous Orcus party every year and just before that all was party and I think it was 86 or 7 we ran a piece review of Sally Quinn's book which was a big novel I assigned it to a radical Christopher Buckley who I thought would be a marvelous reviewer for it but he's a very funny social I He unfortunately called it Clifford chair which made her absolutely livid and she issued a telegram to me at the time I think it's again feels very quaint to get a telegram but she issued telegram disinviting me from has been Ben Bradlee's birthday party in the Hamptons so that was a kind of real moment of like you know how could you do this to me to which I could only say well what do you want me to do I mean I gave it to a writer thinking you'd like it and he didn't but that right is a very strong writer and a good one I'm not going to kill it because you're you're you know it happened to be about a friend so sometimes can get you into a lot of difficult situations but you've got to be an editor 1st if you're going to be any good was that before you and Harry got married to the house and that was after we got married in the House thank you very mining me. Where you say your lips to 1st and foremost but you're 1st love was writing and you know you from the. College in Oxford the student magazine to the New Statesman to punch the Sunday talk. Times where you met Harry and The Sunday Telegraph which you moved to because you realize that it be inappropriate to be working with him as he was still married and you were falling in love together and then in Vanity Fair piece that you wrote that absolutely shocked it's fair to say shocked the world really it was the 1st piece ever written about the tensions in Charles and Diana's marriage it was the wonderfully titled The Mouse That Roared Where did that come from and how did you feel about publishing it well. You know as I did have Tatler I had many contacts obviously in the kind of world of the society crowd so I decided I had to report this piece myself I went to London in 85 and was stunned by what I heard because it was meant to be a piece about the Charles and Di fairy story and instead of which it became the piece about how everything backstage was completely going pear shaped and these 2 were absolutely throws and it was a very. Amazing piece of information the that we did and put it on the cover and it went absolutely crazy I love just to read a piece about what happened yesterday from Monday to September 30th in the diary 985 and it starts like this how we can Gloria hits the press had been full of the warnings and we had our beach house buttoned down we holed up in the city where the office was closed for the day it was cosy going to bed and hearing the wind howling and rattling against the windows of the apartment block I was woken up at 6 am by the phone ringing Hello is that hurry can Tina so the voice Who is this I yawned it's road from the Daily Mail You obviously haven't seen the papers today turns out my just out Princess Di peace has exploded all over the tabloids in London the Daily Mail front page read astonishing attack from American magazine on the royal marriage and then in true Daily Mail style went on to plunder my piece for every news angle and recast it as a cause for Middle England outrage the next day the male went on to do a double page spread about my own marriage in the same terms casting Harry as henpecked and childlike child with me as the Joan Crawford of publishing like die. It was pretty clever actually made me nostalgic for God for a British subeditors who expend so much talent on worthless ends the paper also quoted the palace with a fierce rebuttal and as the hurrican raged around Manhattan I spent Friday morning doing phone interviews and issuing statements the royal couple are going on b.b.c. T.v. To rebut it which is a 1st and proves beyond a doubt we got it right. Of the incredible thing they to be a part of and you followed her Princess Diana for years after that indeed wrote a book about her the Dylan I did and I love Diana actually I mean I you know when I had lunch with her about 6 weeks before she died in New York when she was a very different very self-confident like a diva or in her emerald green Chanel suit striding into the restaurant but one of the 1st thing she said to me was you know you got it right you know about a marriage and because they'd actually of course issued all these denies and she said I I'm sorry and she said of giggle and she said you know we had tonight and of course but you were right and I said well I know I know and I said because you know I wrote the book with Morton's of course I know we were right but she at that time was very very touching and very poignant I found even you know even then because she talked that day at lunch was all about luminous she talked about how much she dreaded the summer Orcus because she said her boys would be at Balmoral and she said people didn't want her to stay because she brought too much President she said you know I'm very lonely and I don't know what I'm going to do for the summer and of course when I heard about the car crash 6 weeks later I remembered her words and thought how very sad it was that the irony was that she'd really been seeking safety and privacy on that on that fated holiday which ended in disaster did she have a seek counsel from you. Well did you ever feel as though that she was using you to get her messages out when I think you know Diana always had a double agenda and I'm sure she was seeking lunch with me in order to kind of give that doubled and gender out because she also talked a great deal about her humanitarian work at that lunch and how much it meant to her but you know the thing about her was that she always did have a really genuine sensitivity chip to the misfortunes of others and she was never a phony about that when she talked about how humanitarian work at the times it was her landmines campaign you could see actually spoke about the victims and as she spoke about her recent trips there and so on she she really was a person who was dreamin industry moved by the suffering of others and had subrogated so much of our own pain into those acts What did you think of the newspapers the journalists the people who did just swarm around her not allow her a moment's peace I thought it was horrible Actually I felt that it in the last years of Diana's life she was treated as prey you know she was genuinely preyed upon and although she certainly had something some a little to blame for that in the sense that she also used the press Nonetheless the savagery of the paper at sea at that time was quite scary I mean I. Knew many people who felt that having lunch with her was was a fearful of event because you would come out and there would be this massive hole and it was so physically aggressive that it was very frightening and I think without doubt the the sort of hounds of fury that pursued her that night in Paris without question have some culpability in her death. Take you back to the very beginning and the house that you grew up in and your father who is a film producer and him coming back to the house with a treatments and working through these treatments to make films for with script writers you were always in the presence really of editing and of writing I was very much I definitely think that producing and editing has a lot of similarities and actually today I spend I have a company that produces. Amounts live events summits of women in the world women in the world and I find that as a producer the skill set is very very similar in fact putting on a show is very much the same for me as putting out a magazine so I think with my father you know he was very good at I understood what it was about it was about the story sense it was about seeing everything that you do as material it was about the wrangle you know because a lot of editing is also about the wrangle you've got to persuade the star to sit for this interview you've got to get the writer to agree to do it you've got to improve the piece when it comes in sometimes and against the the disagreement some people in the office and so on so there's a great deal that was very much like what my father was doing all the time when he was putting on his movies and even though you got expelled from rather good schools I think 3 times that fact that is correct 3 boarding school injected me your father was wonderfully supportive and one of my favorite quotes in the book is when he and your mother went to meet the headmaster or had mistress of one of the schools he had all nobles and. Yeah it was the description and he said How very sad it must be for you to have failed with this unusual girl you see this is by the way is my quote of the book I love it do and then he and then my mother would say Come along Christina as I was called and she said you know get your bags and we will go and then we would we would nose is held high we would stalk from the room with me was trailing behind it my father looking proud and determined Well you know I love that I was called unequivocal I'm conditional love from one's parents and it could have made of vile little. Brought Perhaps I was but at the same time those boarding schools were pretty ridiculous and I think he absolutely had it right. How did you end up being so brilliant playing the political game and having people powerful people really trusting in you when clearly your formative years shows that you have both already issues that you don't get expelled but getting expelled from one boarding school is one thing but why the time you get to the 3rd Seder Yeah definitely definitely have an issue with or thought yes I would say yes well I guess you would in comes to getting people to talk I am a genuinely curious person and one of the things I think makes people talk to you or want to talk to you is that you're actually listening you know I I whenever I go out I find myself even if I don't or you know I've got to go to this thing that I have to go to tonight I'm always in the end completely and thrilled by Will whoever sitting next to me because I like to go dig down and I start to beat here about their childhoods and their strange escapades at work or their parents who are so bizarre whatever and I get you know down go down the rabbit hole so I think I think being a good editor actually means you've got to be curious you've got to be really interested in the story. I love the the story of. Of trying to get a cover right I mean there's so many stories around that but Debra Winger was still . There just trying to get it right and also your instincts tend to be right most of the time well you'll read is what I usually new look at always knew when I had a cover that wasn't going to work and one of the things that happens when you're putting out a magazine is that everybody drinks the kool aid you know you take it in the waste is so much time getting this down celebrities sit there that even if they had in the case of Deborah when she was sitting there looking extremely kind of rather noisy in a terry cloth bathrobe and it was the most you could not find that cover that was more uninteresting and they were always going oh you know it's just they're not troll you know she looks so like off camera she looks at this and I know she doesn't she looks absolutely boring you know and and you know then in the end you go against your instincts put it on the car. And in fact then the circulation difference as well as covered in work you know you feel just so great a brave bombed every month is no I mean it's the same as being kind of in a band you're only as good as your last album so you try every single month you have to deliver it's funny I was found with covers to that unless you got it right right away that just never work if you have to if you keep redoing you know redoing it and trying to put type on it and doing it in red order doesn't make any difference you've either got it or you haven't and you know and he had his absolute sort of she had such a hit hit record it was incredible as did Helmut Newton they were they were really good and they they had came out with wonderful stuff I mean Annie's cover of Demi Moore of course was the big the big firecracker that turned take took our circulation from 700-0021 point 2000000 because this pregnant naked Demi Moore really became a sort of iconic. Sort of image in the culture and since she took it many a star has copied it absolutely even Serena Williams just quite recently did her Demi Moore pregnant cover. Your instincts are great but when you look back at leaving one of the best jobs in journalism to stall to a new magazine venture with Harvey Weinstein do you think that your instincts were off that day well that was definitely not my best judgment let's put it that way I went from Vanity Fair of course the New Yorker which was a most amazing 7 years and then I got restive as I tend to get because I really wanted to do a magazine that was more than a magazine I wanted to do a magazine that was also a book company a radio show a t.v. Show frankly was pretty prescient because that's what everybody's trying to do now but this was 1908 and nobody kind of agreed or sort in condé Nast the company that was publishing us so the wind Harvey Weinstein of Merrimac films who was then at his absolute peak having just done Shakespeare in Love and The English Patient in my left foot normally is great films which I adored came to me and said look I want to do a magazine that's more than a magazine the one that's also produces films that does but while he was speaking of course the language of my dream. So I thought yes I'm going to do it even though Harvey was of course a big rough diamond of a guy who seemed like a sort of mobile of the old school but you know obviously I didn't know that he was this kind of rampant insanity figure that I later discovered that he was I never knew about the sex stuff because that wasn't really where you know I didn't have any Maybe I was just because I didn't have long enough legs or something but that was not what he was interested in with regard to me thank God But I did see the side of him that was an immensely bullying and was immensely difficult and certainly not a happy experience what was it like working with him what was he what was he liked Did he just trying to control everything that he had to control everything and he kept you know he was always having a volcanic shouting fits at me on the speaker phone you know he would constantly want things in the magazine that I didn't want he wanted to be able to assign stories which never happened to me I'm the one who assigns the stories and I'm the one who decides if they go in and I won't have somebody else doing that otherwise I just can't function and he would often be off around town assigning stories which then came in and I had to deal with and didn't publish and didn't want to and when I didn't want to he went absolutely volcanic me and it was one of those sagas it was just it was really not a good idea but I didn't you know at the time you know you don't know these things until you is maybe much more wary of course now about who I who I work with because people can be very persuasive in one setting but you've got to check them out where you left journalism briefly didn't you and I do like I did I at the end of it frankly I was so battered by the experience at the end of it I just thought you know I want to just go back to my writing roots I want to be responsible to nobody I don't want to be a manager I don't want to be managed and I went off and wrote my book on Princess Diana and it was such a repairing thing to do in a wonderful thing to do I love doing it. A number of people have suggested well how did you not know How did not you personally but how did they not know did nobody warn you about him know at the time you know he was thought to be a rough tough entrepreneur rough tough business interrupt tough business I mean nobody said Harvey Weinstein was you know a man of elegance and charm but they did think I think everybody thought he was a brilliant rough tough entrepreneur who did amazing work which he did I mean the films were really the absolute top class and part of the bullying and the and the aggression that he had was about bullying and aggressing people to to to do his films and get them Donnan and put them out as as they were so you know people would say Oh he's a monster but he's my monster you know he gets my stuff done so my right when all of us knew about the sexual stuff I mean that is really as we as we've seen recently there was a reason he spent a great deal of time and money repressing and suppressing anyone who ever spoke about it so it was a very well kept. Paranoid sort of protection racket that he ran in and we didn't know. Nothing I'm interested in is how you get the balance right between reverence and respect for these stars. Even though you may secretly think of them as being utterly ridiculous in fact you say more lies about Molly Ringwald stars are so damn ridiculous. Well all of them are but you know interestingly some of them are really interesting too because some of them you know one of the things that that I think Dennis Hopper must understand is hope was great and smarter than you'd imagine and many of them one of the things I think people underestimate is that to be any kind of a star who maintains a career that's more than a flash in the pan you have to be pretty strategic and careful and smart you know a man like Tom Hanks has been so strategic and smart about everything that he's ever done Tom Cruise and Tom Cruise and one of the people who really surprised me when I met him actually was Michael Jackson because at that time obviously Michael Jackson was seen as a kind of a freak as he as he was always as bizarre our you know crazed person with these one love and crazy plastic surgery and all the rest of it but when I met him he was quite different from our Actually he was both otherworldly and very worldly you know he had this kind of phase for a quiet sort of little boy voice and yet he was so I was very shrewd about talking business and clearly had around him very very very good business advisors like Michael Ovitz the great agent and David Geffen the great you know music mogul he knew who to talk to about his business he said he wasn't otherworldly when it came to his business and what really surprised him and I said to him you know what do you do when you go back to your home or your hotel after doing these incredible high wire concerts that just so high energy he and he told me that he read the short stories of Franco Harra New York a short story writer Ok what if you said to me that Michael Jackson read The New Yorker short stories when he went to bed I truly would have thought you're out of your mind but he did say that to me and I believed him it's who he was and you never heard it you would also say your time at Vanity Fair was also apart from the incredible time that it was in the eighty's in the boom in the Reagan era and all the rest of it was a really busy time for you. Personal life as well because you had George your 1st child right in the in the middle Yes of all of this and then my daughter is in 1000 I have my 2 kids on the job as it were and there's a very poignant moment where your great friend and colleague the political call to Mr net passes away and you're suddenly struck by. By the age gap between you and your husband Harry Yes what happened well yes I was and I kind of muse about I just hope that Georgie gets to see his dad in a way that you know Paul Mark who I loved and you know used to children by Anna Ford were now deprived of their father and this then away the the sort of trying to reconcile one's love of family with love of the job is one of the themes in the book because although everything was very exciting and shiny and. Celebrity ish on the surface of what was happening in Vanity Fair backstage both at the office and at home it was all kind of struggle in a sense you know the office struggle to get it all right and to try to deal with power for the 1st time as a young working woman and as him and as a mother trying to reconcile my love of Georgie who also was born 2 months early and had Asperger's and about time you know I didn't know nobody really knew what Asperger's was what I knew that there was some difficulties with him that he just didn't seem to be as other children were and that was a very big agony and a seam that kind of runs through which is my desire to be the mother that he needs I'm happy to say he turned out wonderfully and now lives downtown and has his own job and he's you know he's actually prospered but it was a very difficult and challenging childhood that he had the women in the World Summit you want to make this into what is an incredible idea and I'm struggling to understand exactly what it is so tell me tell you want to do it yes when I started women in the world as live events and what I would love to do now is to sort of develop it as a sort of news wire Actually I think that the woman I have are so extraordinary is voices I would like to see them become the voices that you hear on international affairs and in political stories and indeed even in big cultural stories like was ing on sexual harassment I think we need to develop ourselves much more digitally now in between the summits which we've been doing somewhat with our website but I think there's now a time to ramp it up and to make the news voices of women in the world much more amplified and I'm working on how to do that at the moment. Just laws are going to go about a minute left but but. Do you think about the future for long form journalism whenever I meet friends of mine who write these you know these big pieces 3000 word pieces there's a sense that it's a dying art form that the people out there don't want to read these pieces and. Well it's a very challenge moment for journalism there's no doubt about it the digital disruption has very much hurt. Print journalism as we know I think that narrative is just going to find a way to survive though because people want these stories they want it all put together so that they really understand it and you know frankly a magazine piece can still move the needle it was it was it was the Ronan Farrow piece in The New Yorker and Harvey Weinstein that moved that needle and got everybody completely exercise and you know having your sorry print behind you is an extraordinarily important thing so I think magazines.

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