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Of picture painted of people being able to work through the wonder of computers almost anywhere they chose many of us. Tronic cautious while others have seen the downside of the separation from colleagues and the common purpose of a shared work place one aspect. Of people living in a father of a country having all the technological advantages of the big city the only problem being who pays for all that fiber the people of all. 300. For a price. Well we heard earlier from Adam Russia. Just before he went on to the sports award he had been playing with a robot and particular robot that wants to play with your children whatever next year's game on Hello this is game on and I'm Adam Ross and this week I'm going to introduce you to Cosmo it says on the Yankee website that's an k. I For those of you with a lexical mind Cosmo is a gifted little guy with a mind of his own he's a real life robot like you've only seen in movies with a one of a kind personality that evolves the more you hang out he'll not you to play and keep you constantly surprised Cosmo's your compass in a crazy amount of fun sounds lovely Doesn't it so after you've dropped $449.00 pounds on the x. Box one x. And $500.00 pounds on that 4 k. Reading t.v. You can then go ahead and spend 200 pounds on Cosmo. Andy Robinson runs the family game a t.v. Channel on You Tube Hello Andy hello hiding not too bad any at all and we 1st met Enki when they were producing overdrive didn't look forward to joy they just had I think you joy which is the 1st iteration of car racing I used to describe as going to tricks without the railings because the little cars follow the track and then in overdrive they can battle with each other in limited kind of why in you control for smartphones don't you yes it's quite clever because the smartphone is the 3rd law breaking which means the cars will know where they are and so you can do things like virtually to Open Line on the track or excel or way to do cornering and do stuff in the virtual world as well as in the real world you have that kind of battle and you also get the cars talking to you on the phone as well it's quite cute this is the thing I didn't get being a bit thick when I talked to Mark how to cheat who's one of the co-founders of the company and you will hear an interview with him in a couple of minutes I didn't. Understand that the device the robot lived on the phone I thought it lived in the cloud or it was in the device and I should have I should have twigged to the fact it was on the fine should not we see them working it talks know where the where the clever stuff going on in some ways it doesn't really matter I guess what's clever ways that they're using the power we've already got asked Martha to try the game and I guess it is a bit of a bus now because if you had all that tech in the car itself they go quite quick and they bashed into each other and all of the track and stuff so the cars need to be quite strong because that 2nd they're going to be vulnerable to braking it's a very good point if we're playing below with actual cause that's going to be a real problem for definite Marc is based in San Francisco with the rest of the team you've been there a couple of times we'll talk about that after we hear from Mr Palmer Tucci when we spoke I asked what the path was that took them from these little cars to a robot like cause my We're consumer about a company we've been really focused the last few years on taking you know a lot of the science of robotics and artificial intelligence and bringing them into consumer products in overdrive was our 1st product and you know our goal is is to continue to build and make smarter and smarter consumer products and the next step for us as is kosmos and Cosmo is it's a smart intelligent character and he comes to life he can play different games with you you can interact with him and we really designed it to be almost like a pet that anyone in the family whether a kid or if you're an adult can know I can really enjoy and get to know the way it's described in some of the promotional material I've seen is that it's talks about being a i Device how much it damages it using resources on the crowd to actually interact with people it doesn't use the cloud at all it's just the robot itself and the smart device the robot is not connected online and neither is device when you're when you're connected to the Robot your phone or your tablet is not connected to the Internet either so everything happens just between the robot itself and the phone so all of that intelligence we are allies through the app. You can download either I.O.'s or Android and that's what allows him to really have such incredible capability to what degree are you facilitated by the fact that since you've been working with overdrive which is a very small car unit and now you're scouting up to a much bigger device how much freedom is that allowed you to put more smallness if that's even a word into cause my I think the main thing is really utilizing the smart device that the user has whether it's a phone or whether it's a tablet those are pretty powerful devices they have you know typically a gigahertz chip and gigabyte of ram and we can put you know quite a lot of intelligence and in terms of recognizing objects recognizing faces or you know the environment and a lot of that happens you know in the background on the phone and the robot itself can you know perform and really come to life but you know it wouldn't be possible at this type of price point without really utilizing the app the smarts in the ways the small to in the funded but and it's mediated through the calls my letter I mean this type of technology you know a few years ago would have would really cost thousands and thousands of dollars and to put this type of sensing in you know this type of a I into a consumer product really we wouldn't be able to do it without without taking advantage of the smartphone in your eyes that is Cosmo kind of an evolution of the process that began with the overdrive cause Yes we call it the bottoms up approach to robotics but the idea is that the company is building a robotics platform that will allow us to build increasingly sophisticated you know applications of robots for consumers so with overdrive those are 1st product we've taken you know everything that we've learned and all of the technology that we've built we've a you know applied it to Cosmo which is something wildly different you know we added some pretty strong capabilities in computer vision the robot itself has a better understanding of its environment can you know dock with different objects it can you know play with cubes and really the biggest component. The personality we've hired an entire team of animators from you know feature film houses like Pixar and Dream Works And we've really worked hard to think about the character think about his needs his background his aspirations and really does a lot of work to bring that character to life I think that that's a an evolution for us I think in everything that we do going forward you know that character and bringing that out in all of our robots is going to be something that's incredibly important is that kind of narrative about what the device is who the device is somebody who's been missing from consumer robots to think I think it's just an evolution and I think we're you know very much in the early days of this industry building these types of smarts and these types of capabilities and the products and I think really adding those character elements things that make them you know more lifelike more human like in you know really more relatable creating that type of empathy that's something that we're starting to really scratch the surface on that and I think that that's really just the natural evolution of these types of devices it is amazing the number of things that a human will look at and say that thing has a face therefore that thing is in some ways it. Is now and it's amazing the amount of how quickly people invest the device with personality or animation team spent countless hours really just focusing on a lot of the subtle nuances like the eyes or you know some of the know the movements of the head things that you don't really realize you know how much depth it takes and you know something like how often he gazes at you you know the robot will you know see a player in the environment and will occasionally turn back and kind of move his head up and glance at you and just making eye contact more frequently and of having a you know a huge impact on the bond between what the player and you started now or you started the roads to revolt Connie Mellon back in 2005 and here you are talking to the b.b.c. About a robot that lives in people's home that is a very fast set of evolutions is that 6 years of a ph d. Does and doesn't feel fast sometimes you know we started the. Company a when we're finishing up our our graduate work in many cases actually ended up being a lot more fun to work on the company and you know our 1st product overdrive kind of finessing your thesis research as part of that ph d. That you were doing Carnegie Mellon you were working with Intel now is there a demand a pressure almost from the the chip makers for people to push the envelope of what can be done with their products is that part of the way that they look at what research is are actually doing if you look at a lot of hardware companies in Silicon Valley you know Intel is one certainly you know Nvidia you see a very big trend to actually try to you know take a lot of Ai and machine learning and actually miniaturize it and you know put it on chips and I think one of the things that you'll you'll see in the not too distant future is you know hardware devices like mobile phones having dedicated in special ship are specialized Ai chips that will allow them to do things that are in a much much more powerful than you know typical cell phones with kind of the generic processors they have today you mention Invidia there and they have a very interesting thing on their platform which is the photo taking parts of their software sets up the comes with all the new g. Force cards basically learns from pictures you give it so and it would then applies the art style it sees in a picture I used it would say use of his lead in this or that about cars I mean ising an algorithm kind of way and then applies it to an image that you've given so you can end up with which a 3 by y. Of turn that's the old confluence of an idea which is allowed for by the amount of headroom that there is on a processor is now at Archy you know we're always looking at you know the hardware landscape and you know when we think about our products we only really look roughly 3 years out it's very very hard to predict you know what's going to be available in hardware you know 5 years from now or 10 years from now I mean it's the landscape changes so so quickly so you know we're constantly trying to keep track tabs on you know new types of sensors new. Types of chips you know we look across all the all the big manufacturers and you know really when we think about our next generation products you know we look at really what's coming out today and within really the next 12 months what's the most aberrant response you've had from a Cosmo to a set of inputs for the when it's been being tested through as it has one have a really surprised you. Know it's never happened no. One for there is one thing that pops into mind we had a had a person one of our employees had a kind of a paisley paisley shirt and the robot took one look at it and kind of want to know a little bit of a tailspin and it turned out that he pays a kind overloaded one of these one of the algorithms that are those kind of processing some of the vision so we did that but you know I didn't it was. You know it is this person is that about the shirt kind of crashing the robot but you know I ask that because you are soft end of Ai and of robotic Ai and at the Holiday end of that there is a hoax that questions about autonomy in devices like drones and I think you probably have answered questions about this in these this period What's your feeling with regard to those kinds of questions and the price. Of something that happens of the softer less so belligerent and but there are going to be a lot of questions asked of the harder end about what we can do with Ai at the moment in the what we should be asking of Ai I mean we take a very optimistic view of it I mean if you look at the products that we're making and you know it's really about it's about fun it's about you know creating a relationship between you know a human and you know human player in this device you know we're very optimistic in how this type of technology can really you know change product categories and make them you know significantly better to then than what we've seen before do you think that that's something that is happening people are becoming more willing to accept these kinds of devices into their homes I do I mean if you look at voice recognition you know which for decades has been one of the most challenging problem . In you know artificial intelligence I mean the progress that the community has made in the last few years has been remarkable in you know I wouldn't say it's a solved problem per se but especially in you know embedded devices but it's made tremendous progress and I think you know if you look 5 years out from now there's no doubt that you know voice interfaces are going to be completely commonplace and you know all of our devices and I think that's a good example of something that you know originally people thought is like a really big hard Ai problem and I think will just be very natural and normal in a few years it was a big holiday I problem when I lived in big hard mainframes and one able to be exposed to a lot of people but now as you rightly pointed out I've got a small file in my hand they've got a desktop computer which could probably very easily be watched to actually listen to me rather than just taking input from a keyboard and then there's the Internet and the way that the data can be shared and harvested and algorithms can be manipulated on the fly you no longer have to have a software engineer comes Ivan changes something you can just the remotely This is a kind of a confluence moment isn't it where all of these things are operating on one another to allow new objects new procedures new approaches to appear I think what you're really talking about is the ability to deal with unstructured environments which has been you know an area of research you know within the robotics community for many years and I think you're starting to see the point where we can adapt I mean if you look at Cosmo he's you know the table on objects on the table you know he might plan a path that you know an hour later you know the next day is totally different and you know he's able to build a map of his world and and navigate around these different environment and I think that's something where you know when you compare it to industrial robotics where you know an industrial robot you know that's been in a factory you know typically has to repeat the same action hundreds of thousands of times incredibly precisely but you know it only works because it's a you know fully structured environment but I think the real advances recently over less. For years is dealing with you know the uncertainty of the real world and dealing with particularly in you know home robots or you know consumer robots you know that's a challenge that I think we're only really you know being able to deal with and you know that type of tech is really what we've been able to bring with Cosmo robots in your home robots on the roads robots all around us really on the. Yes and we hope for many more you know our goal is really a robot in every home that sounds rather marvelous and then as a reader of the 2000 id comic I was so far most of all thinking should I be slightly affright What do you think again I am very optimistic I think when you see how difficult it is to actually make a lot of the stuff work you realize that kind of the doomsday scenarios that some folks you know dream about are you know what's really not not possible. It's when you're in the weeds trying to actually you know get the robot to pick up a block or you know navigate environment you're still realize how far the field has to go in and also it's really you know all ai is just objectives and constraints it's still a human that has to program those objectives so you know the idea that the robot's going to just do something nefarious you know spontaneously You know that's that's something that's that's not feasible my British pessimism is not going to be able to turn up in your enthusiasm for these things and so I guess the little American Silicon Valley enthusiasm that's Mark promise from now Andy from its launch it says on the press releases and he's grown from 3 founders to over 160 employees and has received over 200000000 dollars in funding doesn't actually tell me how many I've sold or anything like that but some I'm assuming it must be it must be profitable the robot toy business is quite establish one is no although these toys are a lot smarter than most of the things that call themselves robots online Yeah I guess you can call anything a robot at least you know isn't necessarily true then in terms of the sales they don't publish figures but they've been sourcing the top of the Amazon Christmas toys. Leste in terms of how many they've sold the last couple of years and times they do sell out so it's definitely there's a big appetite for their product and I think that's because it kind of delivers on the promise of being kind of a bought a can futuristic in a way that some other products don't so they're sort of the level of technology they've got the lengths they go to to create the characterization and the kind of the game experience when you go to the offices you realize it's no accident that it's a good experience they really double down on it you actually can play a game with cars where you can do a thing where there's pattern matching because the other thing that comes in the set and this is beginning to sound a bit like an advert for the company but that's regrettably what how these things tend to go the thing is that you do you plan a matching game these 3 blocks makes of a sequence of noise like Simon says the old game and you have to follow them and so does he and then he fails and he gets annoyed and the price of the animation of the eyebrows changes and they're doing an incredible amount of work with a very small set of visual cues and Miami needs to shift backwards and forwards sometimes when frustrated lift is lifted up and down and then the eyes change but you invest it with an incredible amount of personality don't you it's very strange how quickly you do that the tension here is obviously what you said the cost and that's the risk I think frankly that because the some of the things that they were offering have been done before we've had robot toys we've had Simon says games for years and years and really a very basic level that's all that is where they're innovating is in that characterization and it's that ability to get the sense that Cosmo is a toy that she wants to know relate to you that I think is where they're succeeding there's a moment I always remember where cause one has a need to make eye contact with you and so there's a way to stay within the robot that he hasn't got our eye contact he looks around and looks for your face and recognises you will then be happy and go off and start doing something like stacking his blocks or playing a game but if he does that his connection register goes down and up at some point it goes solo he gets in a panic and has to check to see who's watching and it's very much like. A young child that they go off and they play they'll stop what they're doing check that moment out it's there and they are there and they carry on and it's that kind of almost human like sort of personality that I think makes Cosmo worth the price eventually really and that's what you're paying for there's also the code lab part of this which is where you can give him instructions in sequences and they've broken it down into blocks and we're seeing that approach to coding for younger people and that's happening quite a lot is now this sort of prefix systems that allow you to fit things together to make games because some of the games are sort of the back to young gamers awards were built on those kinds of systems this is quite a a well trodden road isn't it is it's a population get kids into programming and it feels like almost any toy needs to come with some sort of add on the lets you in on how they developed it I think it's interesting with Cosmo because you know only telling the robot to move forwards or backwards you actually x. Thing that personality so you can have a concept up Cosmo in your program to react in a certain way to people but then executes that through the movements in the personality in the expressions of course Mo So you kind of getting access to some quite in-depth robotics here it's not just about big track I remember when I was a kid forward 5 left 5 all that sort of stuff you're actually getting a robot that's going to be influenced by how it feels about something going back to that in the office is something I hadn't expected to find there were people working who had a background with Pixar with orchestral scores on sort of main console games and I think that when those elements come in as well you get a sense that it's almost like a film character they're seeing Cosmo as and that's the kind of the level of talent that they're hiring which is I think it gives that feel there's lots of things happening their sound coming from Cosmo himself but also their sound kind of flooding the area that comes from the phone much in the way that a video game soundtrack who respond to what's happening that sound that comes from your phone we aks to how cosmos feeling so it's like the more you look at it the more levels are going on but it's all stuff you don't notice you just react to him because. Good job they're doing what about the toys to Life market because is Cosmo going to crash into that to an extent you think I think it's more like a toy in its own right but I think it's quite clever that it does use video game stuff so the experience of playing Cosmo and in particular playing the overdrive games is very much like a video game you've got that progression you've got that soundtrack is a campaign mode you have characters that you are unlock and there's a whole story it draws on those things but it never because you only buy it once it doesn't have this kind of slightly commercial feel or this is a toy that's just a way a key to unlock stuff and I think that's where we've seen the waning of the sort of toys to Life market at the moment and I don't think it's dead by any means but I think we're taking aim breath while we work out how to do that in a bit more of a genuine way perhaps because most beheaded this time and overdrive that that is the value there is ongoing and you don't have to keep making multiple purchases which is which is a big point you could say to yourself I'm going to buy the Lego dimension starter sets and then it's going to get the Lego dimensions year to starter or refresh set and then there's the kits to add on and you could be dropping quite a lot of money but unfortunately we now know that the road has run out for dimensions as that yes so I think dimensions is officially going to be no more all that is still exists and I think this is going to quite the opportunity to get really quite good deals pick it back Friday coming up on Lego and on that look at the mentions experience I still think that's a great way to play Lego game and Disney Infinity of c. Before that and we kind of waiting to see what skyline it is going to do obviously they've got a t.v. Show now and then it's by no means stopped but we're not having a new game this year and will be instant to see how it develops so here's a question though ingress I spoke to the guy who created ingress the I r game where you went around and you attacked and controlled siphons of energy in the world I asked them at the time of 9 tech I said Well where is the money coming in they're like We don't care about the money money's not important we're just making it go. It will be monetized a bit later on couple of years down the road lo and behold the money comes in when it becomes porcupine go to our farm myself looking at Cosmo and thinking Cosmo toys to life really powerful computers on finds the computers inside Consols are more powerful yet still I'm finding myself wondering is somebody one of the big games houses looking at Cosmo and saying to themselves how do I make that live inside a gate or talk to a gang of something Mother do you think that's happening do you think some some bright spark is having that thought I think the way that would go is is really seeing what Enki have done with Cosmo and with overdrive and then bringing a franchise into it because I think the level of expertise there unless they were looking to buy a you know and bring them in house or something like Microsoft or someone might do I think it would be too hard to replicate which is kind of why I think it's a business is quite robust and I think that's why they've seen such a good investment because what they're developing no one else is doing it this quality and that kind of gives them some protection against a copycat stuff because they're delivering a high level it's hard for anyone to compete with that and of course we're seeing with overdrive they pull in the Fast and Furious franchise this year so that's just coming out I think in the u.k. In time for Christmas and that brings in the film in those characters and cars to match in a way that's a 1st for Anky And I think we'll see more of that from them there's going to be that kind of synergy rather than sort of a takeover Orac co-option Yeah I think it's hard to get that back into video games once the kind of the cat's out the bag it's a physical toy then it's kind of a separate thing and I think what's more likely is and that's what you're seeing is that video game talent and creators are coming across into companies like Anky and actually bringing those those video gaming experiences but in a physical form of robots or cars and the for you does ank you feel like a company that's riding a friend or is making a mark and is here to stay is easy to sort of feel like it's a bit fatty but actually I think the. At the level of what they're doing that investment in characterization and this long term plan I feel like they've got a future where that future take some would be quite interesting there's lots of opportunities both in games and some of the robotics they're developing their interest from research universities and even even sort of medical medical uses of some of they were bought so it feels like it's hard to know where it's going to go but it's certainly not a fad it's not cheap at the moment but I think you get a lot of value from it so that's that's using my advice to parents make sure you get your children are going to play with this sort of thing and it fits but if it does fit and this is a good one to buy and don't be afraid it's just a small robot that likes to play with blocks and we thank you very much thank you. Incident you to Russia as well it's a process 3. Weeks anyone and this is b.b.c. 5 Live c.b.c. 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Has been reporting and in the news prime minister treason May has attacked Russia accusing Moscow of trying to undermine free societies by meddling in elections and carrying out cyber espionage speak at large mirrors banquet and London Mrs May said that Vladimir Putin's government wanted to sow discord in the West Fessor my corn field joins us now his political scientist at George Washington University Hello Vesa cornfield Hello do you ride well to speak with you and I speak with you to what we had was a was a fairly outspoken. Tories I'm a but it also sounds a bit like the newspapers doesn't it I mean nothing that she's been saying has not been reported is that about right. I think so she left out Catalonia to her list of countries where elections have been disrupted by the Russians I don't think what she said was especially controversial at least not from from my perspective. It's interesting you mention Catalonia and have you got evidence that they were in there too. I don't personally but I went to a seminar last week here at the George Washington University and someone made a very persuasive case through analysis of social media content and bots and tracing to sources that the Russians were there they aren't inventing things so much as they're inflaming things the anger between the catalogue and Madrid goes back centuries but the Russians. Are there to sort of so chaos you know into which you close you can argue they did in the end the Us elections. Further deepening divisions that say a been growing between you know people the points of view. We're a very divided country right now we have some people who agree with the president and some people who agree partly with the president but disagree with him on other things those would be the rest of the Republicans and we have a lot of Democrats and some independents who frankly don't believe a word he says so when he was in China last week and said excuse me Vietnam and said that he believed everything that Vladimir Putin said to him about interference in our elections that was taken with a great deal of skepticism by a lot of people here when we talked earlier about this to David Sasnett who's an old Russia. Former Moscow bureau chief for one of our newspapers he said this is nothing new the Russians have been you know basically working on this doing this for some time is that your view I mean is there a is there a sort of a ramping up in Russian interference in other countries and failings. Well 1st let me preface it by saying Russia is not the only country that. Uses propaganda and psych psychological operations or psyops as it used to be called but the Russians have been extremely active of late and they're also been very innovative in using digital media and social media to as the channels for their their their descent from ation it's clear to me that that President Putin feels this is a successful and necessary strategy for his government to remain in power and of great relevance throughout the world. What about the general attitude I remember seeing an American reporter taking on Mr Putin when he was playing ice hockey and he had a spokesman with him and they were both both laughing off some of the allegations which she put to him of Russian meddling in the 2016 u.s. Presidential election but is. Are we. I mean that now the prime minister's doing it are we demonizing Russia is there or is there a difficulty here is that as a possible. Way and which the prime minister being too tough on them. Well 17 u.s. Intelligence agencies were unanimous in. Saying that they had documentary evidence of Russian interference in the u.s. Election that doesn't mean that the Russians swung the elections to trump away from Clinton I don't believe them I think most people don't believe that and it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone believes. What. Russia says or what what Trump calls fake news the impact is uncertainty that people now are very uncertain as to what they can rely on and who they can rely on to get the truth and that's the effect that I think he wants more than anything is is not allegiance to Russia per se but a feeling of who do I trust. And in a way it was easier before the spread of social media wasn't because you just lose to arguments on the other. Russian control for example our t.v. Was used to be known as as Russia today and of course before you could go back to old short wave days and and you knew what was propaganda the trouble now I was I suppose people have a difficult. Working out what's propaganda and what's know what's opinion and what's fact why I agree and remember we only had social media and social media through smartphones for 5 or 10 years so it takes time to get your bearings and the big change is that in the old days there were editors and they edited. Before publication today everything is published and then we have to wait afterward or teachers selves to wait afterward to get at it. Oriel judgment a chance to to weigh and then even now they're still going to be areas of dispute although that's that's not new but it is it is a it is a transformation in how we communicate and we're adjusting as best we can and would you expect that there would be any reaction from Moscow are really just ignore what the prime minister sought to say. That I could not tell you I don't know how high up in the. Couldn't horizon or in the in his his view of the world. U.k. And Prime Minister may are at the current moment but let me let me ask and then tell you that yeah well let me ask you something else I mean given. That we can 1st of all present try to defend 5 minute Putin's view of the charges of Russian electoral meddling and then he was you know people came down on them like a ton of bricks that would have been of more interest to the Kremlin wouldn't it. I think so I guess I think wherever the Kremlin can can so uncertainty and doubt as to what is true and who your real allies are that they feel that they are getting closer to their goals which are to reconstitute as much of the original territory of the Soviet Union as possible to to weaken sanctions to grow their economy and and to feed the self image of Russian greatness which is a primary driver as I understand. Of Putin's ambitions and again let me hasten to add that he and Russia are not the only countries in the world that see themselves as great historical figures and in human history so. But they do seem to be depending on a considerable degree on on this kind of. Propaganda and sowing of distrust and Mrs May's tough talk is mirrored in places like the Senate Intelligence Committee hearings and that's not restricted to Britain there are plenty of people in the us who are talking like. Oh absolutely you have it in the in the committees although the committees like most of Congress are have these divisions I spoke of both internal to the Republican Party which has the majority and between Republicans and Democrats but also the intelligence communities but you know they are the reputation of the intelligence communities in the United States is is is. Not not pure and it's not unanimous people are very aware that CIA and n.s.c. Have been. Caught meddling in the affairs of other countries that they may have invaded the privacy of. Kins we have weaker legal protections than the e.u. And u.k. Do and so again it's a question of you can't be sure who will believe anybody these days. I can feel the junction with the b.b.c. World thank you for saying that. Professor by corn field Thanks very much Judy. Well in the in the papers this morning the selection of leads the telegraph for example talking about the fact that M.P.'s could be given a final vote on the West drawl bill the Bracks that was drawn Bill take it or leave a vote on the brakes a deal is the headline in The Telegraph and ditto as well here in the Financial Times but The Guardian says the Tory rebels are unconvinced by this the other lead is the position of the the poor. Iranian British woman who finds herself in an Iranian jail and the Daily Mirror declares you're a mess you fix it Boris whereas the I and the mail going on the trees amazed tough speech to the Lord Mayor's Banquet last night were good look though at the Financial Times in the company of their analysis editor Fred student. The lead is now is about breaks it has. No surprises there and it's basically the decision by the prime minister fired David Davis that backs Grant. Grandpa lament full vote on the final divorce deal with you. And that's really been seen quite a concession. On its latest sign of how political turmoil within government is actually taking a toll on the prime minister's plans now that has been sort of a mixed reaction to this some M.P.'s take the on the labor benches say it's actually a bit of a gesture it's worthless because what the government is saying is you can have the vote just on the stock or change Bracks and actually by the way if you were to vote it down then we'll just tumble you know this proverbial. Just tumble over into a sort of no deal scenario but if that may be the case but what it is being seen as is also just the indication that the government is starting to move having to move on things because when our getting into this around a critical period on on many fronts we've got. The whole debate about the withdrawal bill that's going to probably take us into mid December I mean I'm all on you know we entering into quite a critical phase of negotiations with the e.u. 27 on the other side in Brussels and as you know a lot of things are being I mean moving that well over money moving a toll is a sense of sort of deadlock. So this sort of quiet that atmosphere around all of this expectations that some things are going to have to give. Well Mrs Mays had a few things to say about Russia doesn't she interesting she's given a new key no foreign policy speech and tough talk on on Russia basically. Accusing it of sort of meddling in electoral affairs of other countries and seeking to weaponize information. And online and doing that through using state media to spread fake news also so quite literally no nonsense. Language ready she said you know I have a simple message for Russia. We know what you're doing and you will not succeed and I quote I mean quite stride and that sort of core code a lot of I raise a lot of eyebrows that she should do this is also a contrast some ought with the language and and style of Donald Trump u.s. Present one possibly said he believed President Vladimir Putin's sure and that Russia knocks him to sit in the u.s. Presidential election most of the clear differences between London and Washington are. Generally going to Ash who doesn't have a lot of sympathy for brakes appears to be said has a few more things to say about them today yeah I mean it's quite beautiful elegantly executed but quite. A hard hitting article that has to be said opinion piece in which he's basically saying that the BRICs of course you know is being now on the mind quite seriously by just poor if not pitiful leadership and he says you know they won a referendum fair and square in any other circumstances they could have and should have probably led to the government after that given given that outcome. They didn't and they see just sort of looks at the gallery of top bricks of who you know those within the cabinet it's fine for more wanting for the basic that part of the you know the course with you believe it or not is being let down by just poor leadership. General Electric which is still a huge manufacturing concern and I just a big restructuring and that's interesting isn't it from all points of view chip share in the u.s. Well this is one of the sort of when I hesitate to say industrial am awesome it's it really is you said the word blue chip it's one of the regional jet. It's coming it's a dividend for the 2nd time anything 19 see 8 it says it's going to shed 2 of its longest held divisions including symbolically very poignantly the remains of the lighting business that was created by Thomas Edison which was one of the coal bits of the whole business back in the day. It's all part of a. Move now by a new chief executive has just come in a guy called John Flannery who took over an August and basically has sounded the alarm all the time on what he says it's sort of basically a sort of bad trend in terms of earnings and. Cash generation which he wants to turn around. Because as you know we need you to show some grit. I think it's also telling I mean you you for the record know it's it there's a familiarity here often the if you're going to make changes do them early on on your watch when you've still got a lot of capital in the bank not just literal capital and of the money but you know when you move into a job and I think he's gone for that you know a lot of mistakes have been made in recent years has been somebody structuring by his predecessor didn't post for quite a long time but evidently hasn't done enough to sort of. Address the whole a whole series of issues around profitability he's going to set. For edge to them and the Financial Times. Julia Carlisle is the star of dance troupe Mary girls and scores a huge star in this year's Britain's Got Talent after revealing she may never dance again because of her back condition scoliosis after seeing her brilliant performance Simon Cowell stepped in and offered to pay 170000 pounds for special treatment in the United States Julia underwent life changing surgery to help cure her condition and is now back in the u.k. Recovering sure but hearts again soon forward she and her mom Kate spoke to Tony Lipsey since Simon offered to help me I've flown Eva to America and I've had to said Yes' and and a base and maybe Wow So I'm covering now and I'm pretty much fully recovered to start to do dance and again and we've just been say busy with magazine we've got there just of coming up so the surgery itself Julie How's it affected you how much of an improvement is that Bane what it what are the results and well like half the size of my calves which is so amazing like my they pump has gone down Same much as well so I'm so happy about that really I'm so I mean can you is there anything you can do now that you couldn't do or can you just do everything a little bit better and well I can bend to my sides a little bit more now as well so it's really good you know what do you say to Simon when he offered to pay I was not well I was actually with the other gals from as he was in that plane and we just lost stage and when he told us you so happy we were all crying and hugging him and thanking him he just kept saying he was like Don't thank me it's fine Ok How did you react to that moment. I wasn't there when he told and when you found them but when I found out I cried. Because Judy I had found this said 3 years ago and I just thought we'd never be able to afford it and then. I think it was available on the n.h.s. For a bit and then they took. Funding away and I just told it to put out mind and you know you're not going to get that so it was a bit like actually winning. Yeah exactly I mean 170000 pounds that's an enormous amount that you would presumably if you don't want to do time to try and raise Well yeah I know a lot of families do fundraise and I don't know if that was the amount because we didn't really have anything to do with I would tell you right yeah that's the vast I thought it was 175 so we say 5000 pounds and they're not really know how much it will cost I mean I know it's not cheap and I know a lot of families do all sorts and they remove the houses and they form Mays and it's you know they will do anything some of them to get their children they said to me yeah and I mean I guess some people might be Semisonic hours mentor he can afford to have but he said huge gestures I just I like you can't write that because that's just like saying just because someone has money they should pay for something for someone else and doesn't let like that is hugely generous There's no 2 ways of Oh so now Jude is out to the other side of the operation everything's going well you can talk about perhaps how you felt as it approached me with that what what were the risks you know and you feel about it all so I was quite calm go to sleep because when I researched it the risks were well it spinal surgery said this risks with any spinal surgery but they were actually lower than with the fusion that she would have had in the u.k. And so there's generally less blood loss and live coverage times quicker so I was quite calm and she was in good hands we'd met the said they really experienced just lovely so nervous but alright yeah I'm very conscious we're talking about here and she's still here. Yeah so book a just before being Julia back and what for now we were I'm a mention the words life changing presumably now you can look forward to a really bright future what what what what do you hope is in store for Julia now after as a result of this operation. Well for me I just wanted to be able to live all I had dream of a Korea and this certainly helps to do that because it keeps have civil and you know what does he just want the kids to be happy to you know and this made a happy and so they've all this is no no no who had good enough to think Simon Cowell used to I did did you get a chance to thank him Davi obviously have yes and he said not to thank him he didn't feel like he could have not helped us so I mean he's just so humble about the whole thing he's absolutely lovely and he taking interest in June in the sense of her recovery yeah it's check how she's doing and he keeps up with the progress and he knows that she's starting to dance again and yeah he's he's very interested and really just lovely Well Junior that So what's next for the measure goals are you all still piles him for. You know as the guy that now I just saw the baseballs I broke up all going over music or your all still day you're also getting all yeah I did think that can spell science and I think it's a good show what you got lined up and now and well we've got like just announce a new show that's coming up and it's in February and I would just add that has us all and it's the b g t big separation show and it's like a one off show with loads of people from Britain's Got Talent in the past it's been exciting and yes so you're going to perform with all the previous winners I think I've read that yeah we are as it says Who else is on the bill and this season Boyle Paul Potts Ashley and Sally there's like say many people this is him and he company name in you know that's good and so you come for Jude I mean.