To build and grow and develop and improve I mean I think 1st of all in terms of this is a Westminster election we need to stop the a stereotype we need to get the investment that we need we need to stop hard Bragg's so that we can save the jobs of the United States but also our relationship the Medicines Agency which is so important to individuals in terms of those medicines coming in you stop that even briefly you have the most devastating impact on individuals and we certainly talk about statistics and all the rest and that's important but sometimes we don't talk about human impact and if you're somebody who's sitting worried about you know if if if you rely on your own your medicine for whatever condition coming in and that's under threat we're putting stress on people which is totally unnecessary at the moment and that's something that's on us and that's something that needs to be stopped don't you Rover. Important Part of that question came at the beginning where you know you talked about success being measured on on money among growth rather than on health and health and wellbeing and that's something that's always troubled mean that we measure how successful a country is based on the growth but what impact does that have actually on our 5th and where it is health and wellbeing has a huge impact and when we see you know people in Scotland not being able to get a g.p. Appointment not even to be able to register a g.p. When they moved to a new area because of the less being still fill you know that that is terrible for people's health people's well being for families moving into new areas and we see that failure under the s.m.p. Here in Scotland we see across the u.k. Under the Conservatives Labor created the n.h.s. And we would invest in that we would invest in our staff of the n.h.s. We do a fantastic job and make sure that people communities families are supported for private companies in the n.h.s. For libor. I think that one of the huge failures of the n.h.s. Has been relying too heavily on private companies and I think when again you have something that is relying on on profit that is being done for profit it's not going to be a. Private search involvement and then just as there as right now there's your right and I think that you know we need to make sure that we're running the n.h.s. For people not for profit and that is what Labor Government will do there's a huge cost to that it was not bringing within the n.h.s. The government spend a lot of money on things that doesn't benefit people it's a boat time we spend that money on our people and. It's not going to the private sector to bring them back into the public so to be a huge cost will take time and you know there are parts that will not be able to do immediately but it's so important to do its well being it's one of the bedrocks of our country. Yes facts of our standard is there for all to see we have our borders General Hospital that's under special measures we have wards been closed all the time you have Scottish Borders Council cooking day services we have had the cuts to play parks 70 parks going to be removed when we can start investing in our local communities our local hospitals and our local government which will help so you know Boris Johnson has promised more money to the n.h.s. In England and Wales and I think that will have if the s.n.p. Government actually take that up and actually spend more money with on it consequential in Scotland then we will see an uplift in money but as long as they actually commit to do that I think you're absolutely right that you know we don't want to see daycare centers cut because we have an aging population and more money to go into that health and social care but that money has to be allocated from the sky. Government to the n.h. Boards I think the workforce planning issue is a really big issue picked up on the number of G.P.'s that have dropped now we are also seeing the treatment the 12 wait the 12 week treatment guarantee time not being met we've seen other. Goals not being met such as cancer patients waiting for 2 months for treatment and this is all about management and I think that also picking up on outsourcing to private companies as well this is what the n.h.s. Board of ended up having to be forced into doing because of course they need to outsource they need to outsource people to work and they need to outsource other services while it well it is happening right now but your other point that you made there was about play parts I don't want to see play parks cut and I think if the local authorities were were actually funded properly by the Scottish government we would see we wouldn't need to see those cuts being made Ok lady in the red in the rule yes there's I would just like to ask why. Medical Cannabis was passed last year. Legalized in the uki and I would just like to ask why doctors are not prescribing them for a tiny number they're not going to I was to point out number I mean this is the most you can come in for the time that I've been a member of parliament and I'll tell you why it was a constituent. Violence serious multiple sclerosis and she got relief from using cannabis made the key thing. And she described the pin that she felt to me as being like somebody pulling barbed wire during your spy you know I think you know with an ounce of humanity how many of the could you possibly criminalize that women are getting relief from that sort of piece in I don't nor why it's not getting through to think that is obviously some institutional bias within the any shows that's blocking and that's going to have to be taken up and sorted but actually you know not just medicinal use of cannabis are think one of the big strains that is on the n.h.s. At the moment does come from a drug misuse and one of the things we have to do I think is stop seeing drug misuse as our criminal justice system and to see it as our health just just but it's also about how do we in particular and protects the n.h.s. I think we have to pick a few priorities here to start with and for me and for my party the biggest priority would be addressing and improving mental health services because you see so many different ways in which the expanse of the different parts of the n.h.s. Because young people in particular are having to we saw a long because when it becomes a cute they are then having to become in peace and so far away from their own family b s That is something which they in house are not the only thing people are turning up and Accident and Emergency for mental health problems so I would say look let's just take some of the political with us let's get you know that there is a consensus amongst all the political parties about the importance of tightening mental health but it's what a way of doing that and then you get yourself into a virtuous circle instead of the vicious circle that we seem to be. Pretty. Good to support the n.h.s. Best well I. Thing is fascinating listening to this debate and I think one of the ways in which we can protect the n.h.s. Is actually to help people to prevent people becoming ill in the 1st place and actually think about what do we invest actually in better health and preventing people becoming ill and it was interesting Stephen mentioned investing more in public health I spent almost 20 years of my working life and solved in public health protection in relation to food and I think perhaps there's sometimes all the focus is about protecting the n.h.s. Being there for when people need it when people are ill and is absolutely essential that the health service is there to protect us when we need to and when we are ill but I think we also need to be thinking more about what we invest in this country in preventing ill health whether that is mental health public health or any sort of their health but really how do we actually have a healthier population that needs less. Intervention from from the end it's. Clear that. I think it's very interesting that the panel most of the panel is chosen to look at health as being something that we need to revalue in society and I appreciate as an answer to the question What I don't appreciate is the idea that we just need to throw more money and it's very clear that the Tory government has thrown a lot of money to wards the n.h.s. Apparently it is not resolved anything it needs to be a value your doctor aren't you going for me I'm a doctor with a ph d. I'm not a medical doctor so let's not where I'm speaking from I'm speaking as an individual with a family with concerns about where health care is going and I want to be sure that the community can be taken care of right from the start when they're born right the way through to when they get gravely ill including mental health which is an important thing and access to doctors and all of I don't just want to hear that there. Are throwing more money at it because that is not a plan to me that is just putting a sticking plaster back over a huge gash Ok we. Thank you for being reborn a reminder the phone lines are open for debate extra on b.b.c. Radio Scotland the number to eat 59295 conversation continues after this sure to tune in to b.b.c. Radio Scotland and get involved and there's not a chance to watch to be repeated later tonight on b.b.c. One and if you want to have your breakfast with those as well we're going to get them on Thursday on the b.b.c. Parliament channel right our next question comes from Duncan Duncan for the folks giving the u.k. Government's been losing the war on drugs for about 50 years isn't it time to think about a different approach to this problem we've touched on this already but a big story this week with the Scotch affairs committee recommending the u.k. Government should decriminalize the possession of currently illegal drug ritual Hamilton the status quo isn't working is that change now I mean it's a terrible terrible thing because we are seeing such a huge number of drug deaths here in Scotland and you know the highest in Europe and 3 times higher than the rest of the u.k. And of course decriminalizing it is something that this question 1st committee have certainly looked at I will recommend here and I really want to see rehabilitation. As part of that mix and you know making sure that the alcohol and drug partnerships are supported because it's one way we talk about preventative agenda making sure that people are educated about the risks of drugs and I want to see is tackling it as a United Kingdom because coming up to Glasgow he's going to have the u.k. Wide drug summit I think it's really important that we look. It. As a whole rather than an item it isn't isn't decriminalizing the answer that's what we're seeing when I think as I've just said I think. It is going to be an opportunity to discuss that further because it so far is a recommendation from a committee Stephen givens you know I thought was a really powerful report and certainly committees across party committee report committee works when the good things I think works at Westminster instantly and I'm a 1st person to criticize that 1st person criticize Westminster but I think it works it was a powerful report I think looking at c. Firms like you've got in Canada and elsewhere and and again unsurprisingly you'll find I disagree with Rachel but why don't we try what works elsewhere you know clearly there's something wrong about I were tackling drugs why not tackle as a public health issue why not have those safe rooms like like the views in Canada and elsewhere and I'm sorry talk about you keep approach to this why not to force the powers see if it works and if it does what it is not where it's in the works that you. Know but these are changes that about see the public health approach why not give the Scottish Parliament the powers to do that and look if it doesn't work fine let's come back next year and see it doesn't it doesn't work we have to try new things we have to be different you can't simply sit there and go all it's terrible Let's keep on going the way we're going that is not the way you make progress in the Iraqi. Thank you. It's a libertarian could you give those perks to Scotland to do that so I really want to pick up on this because I was in the Scots Affairs Committee so I was part of creating this you're poor and it's one of the things that I'm most proud of that I've done in the past year we revisited Canada we visited Germany we visited Portugal to look at what is currently working and there's clear evidence that the public health the porch works there's clear evidence that to criminalize the nation of certain drugs. Gestating consumption aims and what's most important and I can't stress this enough is that the voices of people with left experience of drug use and their families have to be part of the conversation so when you've got ministers coming up from Westminster when you've got ministers in the Scottish Parliament having these discussions and having these focus groups unless they have those voices included it just simply will not work and so important is looking at a range of polls save that can help people are spoke to a drug user in Glasgow or he was telling me that yes safe consumption names absolutely that will help a public health approach will help but having free transport for example would help because he said when when you have to travel to the city center to go or you know a health appointment or to go into his method on he then can't afford to get back home so he sits and picks for money and he gets some money but then drug dealers target people who are on the street so then he gets approach then he's trying really really hard to stay in recovery and he gets approached and it's difficult and we need to tackle that So here recommended by one of the best things we could do to help people who are trying really hard at recovery is free public transport and that is something that labor or do just simply are a jerk because. You see consumption soon Scotland Yes we have to look at it has to be part of the answer absolutely but it's not a silver bill and it's part of what you dream of things that we must look. In the instruction Yes it concerns me when we're talking about this subject that nobody has thought to Luke upstream of why somebody makes the choice to become a drug user and possibly the solution lies in that area rather than once people are drug users. Hours to come I hope we can I touched on this I know you know you have interest in this as well legalisation see consumption Rune's is that way ahead yes I think it is I mean your question was Is it time it's long overdue you know anybody who goes into hospitals goes into the shed of course I can see that part that this is having in human terms and communities right across the whole of the country and you know I think it was Albert Einstein who said that the different mission of insanity was doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different outcome you see what the Dickies of proof that autos and you know you see know that it is time to do things radically different media in the in a straight shot the if you say the boat you know why is that young people in particular are attracted into taking drugs that's absolutely true so one of the things we've got to do is just stop thinking of drug use as a subject in its own understand that this is something that involves educators it involves doctors it involves of course says I'm not as I get to present the of God we're only going to have probably based that on what he says to the dogs and they have in the streets the way things are at the moment but you know to use courts as I guess we to people who have got our diction problems because. They get them then into the education services the health services that they actually need because you know it's not just the families of those who are involved in misuse of whose lives are touched with this is families really across our whole community whether it's the people who feel it's not safe to say that on front door that they because that are dealers in the street or whether it is the people who have the hoses brought it into for people who are having to fund their. But this touches us all and you've got to accept what we've tried this field and it's time to try something else but don't. Think you should stop insisting you see exactly what our streets talking about sure well I do think we should hold out our fishing communities any different from other communities I think we have to recognise that this is a problem that affects many communities across Scotland and I think. Bringing come about to the ladies point I think this is a public health approach to tackling these sorts of problems. Absolutely is the sort of direction we need to go in and I think there's a good parallel in relation to the way that. Knife crime was dealt with in Glasgow the traditional way of dealing with knife crime in Glasgow was not reducing knife crime so the authorities who were trying to address that problem said we have to do something differently took a different approach took a public health approach. By no means an expert on that particular area but my understanding is that that has been successful and it's been successful to the extent now that other countries are looking at what has been done on Glasgow in terms of taking a public health approach to knife crime because they've seen that it can be beneficial in that it can work so I think we have got models where those approaches have worked here and if we if that's something that we could apply to drug use then that's absolutely something that should be looked at me in the. Face Yes I'm really pleased in almost all the answers to my original question from the panel really disappointed with Mrs Hamilton who had made what I thought was a kind of a party political point and she's using the higher drug deaths in Scotland because it suits her party's agenda surely and of good news about the. Very high drug use you decriminalized and there you go very low drug would want to try that approach in Scotland if the genuinely curious about drug use in Scotland even give. You all the change what's happening at the moment to address Well I think taking a more public health approach to it is something that I don't think anybody has got all the answers and that's why the gentleman's point was so important that if you've not got all the answers if you've tried some areas you've identified this could possibly be a solution Daniel's right and the good work that the committee did with Peter shirt and others is right let's try that different solution this isn't working at the moment so let's try something new and if you want evolution to work then why not try it in Scotland a little bit like cotton on a for 20 treating knife crime as a public health of the. Well there and all of a sudden you've got the London mayor coming to see how things are done and Glasgow you know none of us none of us on this panel has a monopoly on wisdom none of us gets everything right and actually one of the great things about a boat by the e.u. But learning from each other across these islands as well is let's look at the things that are working and let's replicate them to our own needs and sometimes if you need more powers to do it please don't be dogmatic about these powers give them all for even for a limited amount of time just to see what works it isn't working at the moment let's try it but there's a minimum pricing for alcohol and I can remember a minimum pricing for alcohol all the nonsense that we're getting from the Conservative Party it's awful it won't work all the rest of it they're copying it because it works and you know what I'm glad they're copping out because if it works for England and it and it makes things better in England because we've done something well here than that's good and that's a benefit ritual for an award from. 1000 completely agree with everything the audience the panelist saying in terms of ensuring that we tackle drug misuse I mean it is just horrific for families and everybody and I have complete sympathy about this it's just that I think that. You know as Danielle said it's not some of the solutions are not the silver bullet and they need to be stick approach there needs to be as I said proper alcohol drug and partnership support there needs to be look at rehabilitation needs to get we need to get more people who are on drugs into treatment because currently that that isn't happening as well as it should be and we also need to look at this in a project houses and we also need to look at decriminalizing drugs you can share your views with. Evie c.d.n. To be part of the discussion so we've got time for one final question of which comes from Marshall. Works a boat. The opportunity of becoming a lot of time again with The Divine. Or it could potentially become a border tone again in the true sense of the world could revive the tones fortunes of what is it I walk along the High Street South I was surprised by how many shops and many boarded up shots there are in the tone so could a features a border tone or revive or export sions down your road and I think that investment in a tone centers is so important where I was born and have lived my whole life is a temple Dalkeith and we've seen a lot of shops closing there's a lot of shop fronts and you know investment in our 10 centers is so important and yeah I think good luck to hold on I hope that it is revived but you know I think that with a good investment and attention from the local government from the central government at Holyrood and then from Westminster you know how these are trying all they can but without that crucial investment in someone to believe in them if you retire to come I think. You know I don't know because I don't live in horn but I think one of the problems with politics that we have at the moment is that there are far too many could you politicians who made decisions and meet with that have a real and very direct effect on communities which they have absolutely no knowledge so you know thank you for whole to be of all the time then good on whole week be a bore doctor and the based on t.v. Is something that really ought to be controlled in whole it shouldn't be controlled in Westminster it shouldn't even be controlled in London on one of the things that you've noticed in the blast today kids in particular but this is a student. London is the constant process of control are we from communities. It's rewarding it produces partly results and it's got to choose even independence be good for you had to tell you why Westminster is so centralized the u.k. Is an incredibly centralized country if you look at Normally you member states of normal relationships with each other like between the Netherlands and Belgium and Denmark and Germany Puerto times arrive they thrive on Cormier so thrive on people passing by they thrive because we've been increasing commerce and you know one thing that was really interesting in the last independence referendum were the people in Northern England like M.P.'s from Liverpool and and people in Newcastle saying you know we could have lost this economic hub it works elsewhere in Europe there's no reason it can't work here you know independence in the e.u. Is normal brakes is not normal ritual and. It. Is already a border town but the reference that Mr Marshall is making is that if he's asking about a border a land border between the rest the u.k. And Scotland and so therefore in 2014 the people of the borders voted 67 percent to stay in as part of the 300 year old here you know as part of the United Kingdom because the majority of people in the Borders saw the benefits because there's loads of people here who work over the border they work down in Carlisle they work over in Barrick that cross border relationship is very very important we'd have issues with our currency we'd have issues with our pensions with our. Have an incredibly high deficit and I just think that we would then have to consider how we spend our public money and support of public services which is clearly very important in the n.h.s. . And schools to people in the borders because we're having new schools and we're also investing for example here on the high street regeneration and it's so important that you know the people at the borders voice is heard in terms of that I'm up and I want to get one's voice to them So Elspeth McGeorge just before we go to the audience what do you think Well as somebody who lives in Aberdeenshire I do feel particularly well qualified to comment on what might regenerate our borders tired however I can talk about what might benefit fishing communities not just in Aberdeenshire but in other parts of Scotland and if the u.k. Doesn't leave the e.u. And the is no longer constrained by the Common Fisheries policy if the e.u. Then there is certainly significant economic benefit that could be gained for fishing and coastal communities around Scotland and there is potentially as much as another half 1000000000 pounds worth of of economic benefit that could come to fishing communities as a consequence of no longer being governed by the government don't you. Think it would you would. Think that of all issues that have been discussed over the course of the day could they go to the highlights of the strangeness is it come with being in the union and the leadership we're doing these people do we. Do you think for example one of them mentioned the valving of the jobs laws and things like that but what. Point would be significantly more prominent on the map I believe it was on the board last Will we be all for it gentlemen of the end of the room here with the glasses Yes thank you you've talked of a change tonight Mr Geffen some particular. 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Forward slash debate night click on the link that says join the audience hopefully we'll see you then and when from all of us you know what tonight good night. Stephen thank you thank you to the panel thank you to the audience that was them no it's you. Hello good evening this is Calum and Donald with to be extra on b.b.c. Radio Scotland How are you this evening hope you are well and thank you so much for your company lovely to be with you so as you might know by now we're going to pick up on all the discussion you've just heard on debate night tonight and now you can have your say as well you can call right no 59295 double 0 or you can text a 2 to 95 save those numbers why don't you get if you don't ring now you can ring in a little while if you want to pick up the phone and disagree or agree with someone you've heard always always 9295 doubles the number couple big topics actually for us to get into this evening 1st of all is it time to decriminalize drug use in Scotland let me know what you think oh wait wait by 9295 double Rachael's from the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party isn't convinced I really want to see rehabilitation as part of that mix and you know making sure that the alcohol and drug partnerships are supported. From Scottish Labor what's more important. 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And I want to say hello to our friends who are with us on debate night extra The c evening who will be joining us and Co chipping in and taking your calls as well if you want to talk to them we've got 3 brilliant guests and even Marty a Labor councillor Hello Eva. Hi Oh it's our pleasure thanks for coming back it's always a good sign actually it's like getting a 2nd date although you're saying that it's like that and any other good Michael boys here as well the cheers of Scottish young Tories at University of Glasgow Hello Michael thanks for having me on the show on delighted to be here absolute pleasure will try to impress you on the 1st day thank you and you know you're welcome. If you have plenty snacks that's always a good place to start Oh yes of course got a cup of tea ready. All perfectly good settling in nicely with us as well. Councillor for Leith Walk Hello Susan good evening Callum. Hello Your I've had many many a good day only thwack actually loud. I don't quite know cannot speak to that you know neither do I I just want to see him catch you off guard it's nice charm to disarm that's my motto and it's worth saying that next week we'll be speaking to representatives of the s.n.p. The Lib Dems and brags that part of a government going to want to listen to soon. So yes will be speaking to representatives of the s.n.p. The Lib Dems and the brakes at party next week so let's bring in Phil some as well b.b.c. Scotland political reporter he's keeping us company right Phil. Oh yeah no sense and you know we got 3 brilliant gifts Oh yeah on film there. Are No you're not and I did thought is fire you know it's just that you know that they should go out and the like to be enough thought Ok. Oh gosh what's going on marketing adult that's why I know that it's fake good because I was worried about the prospects there as well anyway it's all fine we'll put the dating thing to bed now I think we need to wait $59295.00 w. You'd like to get involved in to be extra this evening or you can text 8 or to $95.00 And tonight a bit more of an adventure than we've had in the series so far of course because the general election campaign is well and truly under we saw that adds a nice dynamic to everything as well so don't feel me don't leave me feeling normal in here all right do get involved don't leave me feeling like I sat there was one of the world or something like that that would just be weird so all way to wait 59295 double or text 8 or 295 to get in touch be lawfully to hear from you this evening I speak to Alexander 1st in Peterhead Hello Alexander. Haig now hello write what you want to talk about what you want to say tonight when I'd like a little English. How much money has been standing on the harbor which is a lot of stories to. Go in now you know all those people will not walk alone. Which is really cool and it's been rebuilt by European money 3 quarters to say we're together number from well consider that I want to look after your stay out it really you know a local. Work for the locals give mendaciously age Ok And so what are you worried that brags it's going to have an impact on that yeah. Right Ok this is the Alexander thanks going into session industry. To be run by just a few people. Ok and that would affect that would affect you personally Alexander wouldn't. Understand that we're struggling a bit with Alexander thanks very much for calling Alexander calling from Peter had their talk about fishing in the impact of drags it sounds like is going to personal impact actually on I would say under there if you're feeling the brakes it's going to be impacting news well until you're actually specifically talking about the impact potential impact on the n.h.s. So if that's something you want to chip in on feel free drop me a text a tool to 95 or you can call wait 59295 double might speak to James next James Oh hello I want to say James. Is just quote the opinion that is Jewish when prominent liberal Democrats repeatedly to cleaning city repeat diddly cleaning the lip. The largest supporting party which is obviously a lie because it's actually be a piece. Right Ok well let's let's talk with Jules when someone came up quite a bit actually on debate night earlier on why does that bother you so much James that the Lib Dems are are seeing that they are the remain party to vote for this general election. It's not that clearly that there are 30 main part to vote for the money issue this was the only state of the claims of choice when you see. The actually admitted to skewed or in your key way television and they tell a lie but Philip they are a lot just really mean supporting party it's a lie and it's been repeatedly reported on the b.b.c. Coalition Ok well I want to bring in Phil some then actually b.b.c. Scotland political reporter Phil 1st of all we should address the claim then that the Lib Dems are the largest remain supporting party what can you break down for us on on where the parties stand Bragg's it Yeah well I guess this is this is the whole thing with the Lib Dems sort of campaign right need to make themselves like the party over I mean and I guess their argument is going to be that they're they're talking about the fact that they are standing count of these right across the entire u.k. As opposed to you know the s.n.p. Are always thought to come it's only obviously in Scotland where as you know in the previous parliament obviously the s.n.p. Had way more M.P.'s than the Lib Dems did but I guess none of them are really M.P.'s No because parlous been dissolved and then you get into the whole Sorbonne favor who's got the bigger membership but yeah it comes down to it's almost like a sort of point of ideological purity in a way of who is going to be able to sell themselves as being the biggest remain part of the voters which is a big deal in Scotland of a city because you know 62 percent electorate in Scotland who would remain in the you ever end. What does that mean though in terms of how we think that might translate into the general election voting I suppose I saw an interesting question Peter Nicholas George in that she did kind of swerve as politicians would about whether if the s.n.p. Will actually lose seats to this general election what does that say on the Scottish people support for their position on any number of things including independents and including Bragg's as well. Yeah it's really difficult to quantify because that are so many different sort of factors going into this election because you can see is this election being a proxy referendum on break that is being a proxy referendum on independence. Like there is this big competition between the s.n.p. In the Olympic Games for those who remain are and scold I guess it may end up breaking down based on whether or not you are a yes remain or a new remain or if you see I mean if you're in favor of independence there are actually there's relatively few seats in Scotland which are actually a completely street fight between the Lib Dems the s. And p. I think like every talks at North East by being the contest which is the majority of to think Stephen Geffen's this m.p. Candidate was one of the people on the base there but there's actually there's not a huge number of other seats apart from the for the Lib Dems currently. Held previously in Scotland which are actually street fights between those 2 parties so it's very interesting breakdown for other parties in terms of like if the Lib Dems take votes off the s.n.p. In seats where they were previously ahead if the loser mean votes to them does that mean other parties can come to the middle and win so because there's such a big block of the electorate are these real mean voting or people who are minded to remain it does become a real thing for who can who can win those over to their site. Hello James what you make is that. The point. You're talking to most concerned the bit take on this we know you have a situation. I don't want to get legal problems but we have prominent. Prominent politicians. Appear to fly or in the economic with the truth or worse in fact I would suggest was no my point is that Joyce Winston and other prominent Liberal Democrats have been mean t.v. Broadcast b.b.c. Broadcast you keep seeing that the don't mean. Supporting Party No More spoke watching television will not have that perception that your previous. Was commenting on. Will interpret the of the biggest party in Westminster Yes Ok Thanks very much James thank you so much thanks for getting in touch with us and isn't being fought isn't about the kind of message and told of politicians in a general election campaign if you've any thoughts on that then drop me a text a tool to 95 on what you've been hearing so far from politicians as they try to win your vote so one thing that I wanted to talk about actually and just get into a little bit was the issue of drugs in Scotland and this is because Duncan Taylor was on to be earlier asking or stated given we've been losing the war on drugs for 50 years isn't it time to think about a different approach to this problem which is a really interesting conversation to have always is and it's one of those things that I suppose it's fair to see surely that it's one of those going to shameful aspects actually of modern life that Scotland's drug death problem is is the worst in well when you compared to many many Western and European countries so let's have a listen to what came up and to be No we did hear the Labor and Conservative views on dealing with the drug issue in Scotland earlier so let's drop in on Stephen Geffen's from the s.n.p. I think looking at safe rooms like you've got in Canada and elsewhere and and and again unsurprisingly you'll find that I disagree with Rachel but why don't we try what works elsewhere you know clearly there's something wrong about I were tackling drugs. Right and Alister Carmichael is from the Lib Dems it's long overdue you know anybody who goes into hospitals goes into the shit of courts faith can see the part that this is having in human terms and communities right across the whole of the country you see what the Dickies of production at autos and you know you see know that it is time to do things radically different. Radically different says I was to Carmichael give us a call or 59295 w. Or text 8 to 295 was speaking to our panel or for our friends in the studio to see what we think about this because it does keep cropping up actually as a conversation as an issue that needs addressed so let's start even with some real labor councilor and Eva this this is you does keep getting discussed and I don't know it doesn't feel like you much further forward actually on addressing the problem of drug deaths in Scotland Yeah I think you're completely right on that calum you know we're facing a public health emergency in my opinion and you know over a 1000 people die just the drugs and you know a crisis last year and Glasgow alone we saw 45 percent increase in and drug related this and you know on top of that in Glasgow we've got the epidemic of the spread of HIV Just last week Phil Collins it was to my colleagues Ken Seeley Mackenzie incomes are already in Barcoo the promotion and to the chamber drugs this and I'm quite quite proud that majority of currency is actually back that you know it's highlighting you know I think Rachel Hamilton made reference to alcohol and drugs partnerships being funded correctly 47000000 pounds and real terms cuts have been to alcohol and drugs partnership between 2040 and 201520021000 and I fundamentally believe that you know every drug death is preventable I mean much think of the box I think it's quite a fraction of the ideas that were said tonight because I think just know some parties and different levels of government are not working together and are just playing games and I think the evidence of that is when Glasgow City Council and majority again of cones was last year maybe come out to 2 years ago asked for support to the pilot a safer drug consumption to sell inner city but the tour do you keep government turned under diving or requests even after experts called our case one of the most compelling in Europe is one way to address a crisis I understand yeah but you know but if you say they want you to bring it to bring Michael in actually just as chair of scotch and Tories because Michael this is this is constantly the. The message that is raised here that actually counselors are in support is always bring this up as well the idea of safe injection rooms and it's always always always the Conservative government that's blamed for blocking that progress or why does that keep happening I think that what we fundamentally have to be like is what Rachel made several good points and I would say brought up about the drug and alcohol partnerships the cuts need to pass from the s.n.p. a Debt also increased treatment access but in terms of the drug specifically. That is not concrete evidence are still reviews being conducted into the subjects and there's also going to be you key in reviewing glass with care but at the same time with what the drug firms these aren't necessarily a solution what is how you solve the drug faces as a create an opportunity and education to get people off of drugs to make them a way out that's actually solve the judge or the drug issue and how you do that by creating jobs between opportunity and by doing what indeed a strong economy and that's what we do in the Conservative Party but isn't it largely suggested the safe injection rooms and sort supervised injections are part of the solution and while they might all be the entire solution actually they need to go alongside other things surely if something is part of the solution it should be happening far quicker but I reject that premise I don't think as necessarily part of the solution is not that much there are some countries that do clean but whether or not it would walk in uki or the noise effect as an precisely clear which is why we need to wait for more evidence for more of you and then go from there. Ok let's bring in as well there were all sort of keep talking like this always away 59295 double I'm really keen to hear your thoughts Susan really adversity counselor for Leith Walk And Susan what do you make then of these sort of 2 sides on on this particular issue of safe drug injection rooms do you think that they are part or all of the solution to this problem I think the problem needs multiple solutions but I think having supervised drug use is not power if the solution is a very vacuous argument. We need to see for drug consumption. You can see that we need to get people of drugs yes we do need to get people off drugs but to say that lots of solution what do we do meanwhile while people are getting off drugs to be just let them die or do we find somewhere where they can be supervised to use drugs while we get programs and policed to help get them off drugs and prevent them from unnecessary death do it in the period of time it needs a lot more investment and I think it's been proved in other countries that it does want and you're from the Scottish Green Party Susans what was going Green's view on this what what is the solution as I see it I think the solution is a multi multifaceted approach I think it needs and obviously like everything in the n.h.s. It needs for that investment but also notice better and more enlightened approach to why people are using drugs and I think a lot of the reasons for that can be traced to is stated to. Yeah I'm going to bring it out in just a sec but my coach want to prove that the sort of the underlying message or point here to you that while you're waiting for more evidence all safe injection rooms people are dying a record number of people are dying actually And so why isn't action for quicker why isn't it faster the reason we actually think quicker because as I said we've seen we've seen cuts and drug and alcohol partnerships seen people not being able to access treatment under the s.n.p. And quite frankly although we've had to mention it was stated to be under the state like we have a promised record investment and the n.h.s. And the Scottish Government will be getting a little barnacle Barnet consequential as a result of the s.n.p. You need to put the money with the methods and use with money consequential to deal with this issue Ok let's bring in now and then most of the boarders hello and. Hello what do you make of what you're hearing then on this on this issue about the drug problem in Scotland and whether there's not a point to us and tears of the saving injection rooms and so on but I think that we're being a little bit short sighted to. The problem being getting people off drugs I think we need to lead upstream from that program and start thinking about it for the lead people especially young people to make the decision to take drugs in the 1st place and I think we need to look up for the reasons that age apply the to just make that decision Ok what do you think that looks like in reality then what were the reasons that you think need addressing. I think we. Lost a real sense of community that's a feeling I get and I. I think that there's that old saying you know it takes a village trees or tails and I think we've lost that real. Sense of responsibility to other people in the community and the respect that goes with that and with that people young people especially have lost and sensible for charity and I just think we need to really work on rebuilding a sense of community and I think that decade help Ok Well Williams got view on how to fix the problem William and started with him. Do you think. The listen here rate a bit like you would see a next police officer undercover and the drugs so Mark because I think that that's going to deal with a poll most leave a lot to the parliament Commons and I must suggest as the token danced of that an organized. Detained for 6 months I said the Colonel but it's only in the things only one percent of the dogs come and then to see if 'd. You call this the 90 percent of the dogs come in and not the problem we needed the Korean War to deal with the dogs gangsters that's the police know who they are. Yes right on. But. Or. Not only we. Welcome Ok Well we have what was people opinions than our our guests tonight even Marty 1st of all we became slogan is that part of the issue here you've actually law enforcement needs to step in and I think is I think is partially about how we have to view and heavy actually I mean there's a I mean I'm I'm personally pro the decriminalization I'm glad labor are looking into that sate of Israel but I think if we take the actual criminal Sado of it then you know it's been proven to work in other countries if we take that actually criminal element if it can actually you know reduce and actually people can actually get help but I also I want to say on set as well that community I think it harks back to war and Daniel really was saying about getting people end up with live the experience and actually having those voices I mean I was against a to go back to feel kind soul again we cared very very you know emotional stories from cancer across the chamber about how do they have you know experience there and their families or friends or everyone who had experience and and drugs their drugs crisis and I think it's very important to have those those voices prominent in this debate I think just know they are very much lacking Ok Michael chair of Scott Young Tories is law enforcement something that would be more quickly implementable do you think to try and address the drug problem I mean I think alone poor and unfortunate as important to some degree but as a See we're talking about the views in terms of decriminalization where obviously are waiting for the result to see how effective that would being and then we'll make a policy position based on not and I think all options should be looked up and just go from the. Ok interesting 1000000 thoughts welcome. 9295 double or you can text 82 to 95 if you've got thoughts on that one last more stalker on to be extra between now and half past 12 right now though it's 1155 the condition of my ball or my hearing might be carrying a huge impact on your life working of deference does make the family Laura Bell the specialist is funded by children in need without her I think would have been completely lost the heads of children in need today Michelle McManus is hearing from young people and projects that are benefiting from your fundraising tales about the caffeine in her jacket and all the caffeine change young people with additional support needs. Of them for their word and what I just left it for shot remake church and for our lives Monday from 130 on b.b.c. Radio Scotland. So we're talking about Scotland's drug problem at the moment on debate no extras you can get in touch with your stories or your lived experience has been referred to already on the program if you've got experience and wisdom to share with us a tool to 95 to text in or wait 51295 w. If you'd like to call on that one and a little bit later on we'll chat a little bit about the n.h.s. That came up on debate no earlier as well and really what his future looks like with brags on the not too distant horizon at the end of January will come to that little bit later so if you've got thoughts on what needs to happen to the n.h.s. To improve it to save it in some people's opinions to change it to reform it whatever if you've got experience or if you've got thoughts on that give us a call to wait 59295 double 0 or text 8 or 295 plus the general election is kind of looming over all of this as well so I'm sure we'll touch on that a little bit later on on debate night extra Remember you can be part of the audience for debate night by visiting b.b.c. Dog called or you can slash the beat night click on the link that says join the audience details of all the locations for the program can be find on the Web site or by searching for the b.b.c. Debate night on social media. Right let's go to our reporter on the issue of drugs in Scotland on the issue of drug deaths in Scotland particularly fellow be making any progress on this issue of government level is seems like a hot potato it keeps cropping up and nobody's quite sure where we're getting to and what progress is being made here actually. Yeah I mean it's one of these things where there's always a lot talk where there's a lot of like task forces get up and there's a lot of discussion but we are in this position of this sort of political deadlock about who will actually have the powers to deal with this sorcery up it's one of these areas where there are sort of bits of this are potentially devolved to Holyrood and bits of it are reserved to Westminster so it's quite difficult. It's. A holistic picture of it so the main thing is the main sort of drug a lot of the Misuse of Drugs is reserved to Westminster So if you want to talk about big things like decriminalizing drug use is like totally you know in whole or it's purview right now and there is this thing about safe consumption of facilities that would need to back in the home office to do that then there are certain things that the Scottish government can do even with the sort of current level payers that because when we talk about to go into areas of like policing public health and then all these likes are social impacts community work and drugs partnerships like you know looking in most of human terms then within the justice system is old more within whole his purview and I think we've actually spoken before in this program but the drugs death cost force that they set up in response to the sort of record number of the best and the they're still working to look at what can be done both within the current players and with powers that you would potentially get from Westminster if they were devolved but it is still very much in the realm of what kind of work it what counts be done at this point. Yeah Ok well maybe the general election has got something to maybe that would result from that I mean that will change the kind of fair the discussion a little bit on this and if you've got any thoughts that you'd like to share with us all wait wait 59295 double or to give us a ring or you can text 8 or to 9 far if you're on Twitter tonight or Instagram for that matter is at b.b.c. Radio Scott and use the hash tag b.b.c. D. And of course for debate night I'm sure you know that again touch on Twitter if you're saying scrolling and thank you for calling William thank you for calling as well if you've not rung and yet where are you I would love to speak to you this evening on b.b.c. Radio Scotland so do get involved we're here till half past 12 happily taking your calls and anything you heard discussed on debate night at that you'd like to get involved in as well on debate night extra 080859295 double 0 or you can text 802952 join the conversation. On digital radio f.m. 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I don't want to but I'm sure How can I have. Let's talk about the n.h.s. Which came up on the t.v. Program tonight here are some of the panel's thoughts when we say you know people in Scotland.