By triggering Article 50 last year means Britain will leave on the 29th of March but a group of Scottish politicians want to examine if it can be revoked now successfully guided another probe onto the surface of Mars the insight robot will some of the planet's deep interior making it the only planet other than Earth to be studied in that way Elizabeth Barrett is one of the project's engineers we start an initial assessment phase so the 1st thing we'll do is assess the health of our spacecraft and then the health of the instruments that went with us and then look at our landing site we've got the 1st picture down and now we want to look at it in more detail and understand where can we place the instruments on the surface to get the best science return a report claims that police officers are being left to pick up the pieces because of a crisis in mental health services Inspectorate of Constabulary claims forces in England and Wales are being called to thousands of incidents which should be dealt with by dedicated workers ministers say they're increasing mental health spending. The British man jailed for life in the United Arab Emirates is on his way home just hours after receiving a pardon the authorities in the U.A.E. Insist Matthew Hedges was working as a spy in a claim he confessed he denied that Dr Christian coats all Rickson is a Middle East expert from Washington arrested in Texas he knows Matthew and I think it's a step in the right direction. Recognition that this has gone too far and. Somebody had to backtrack at some point and recognize that there was probably a mistake Ukraine's parliament voted to impose martial law to parts of the country in response to Russia's capture of 3 of its vessels and 23 crew members if you applied to areas bordering Russia for 30 days James Sherk is from international affairs think tank Chatham House. there are determined to be very bloody minded and defense of their interests a spade defying them and they really don't care what we think about it but the bigger picture is really that there are a factors and play here all very serious a power from the fact that russia is de facto it war with ukraine it is wage an economic warfare and margaret thatcher's but included in a list of scientists nominated to feature on the new 50 pound night the former prime minister who was a chemist before turning to politics was one of more than 174000 suggestions are this include stephen hawking and patrick moore but he love a has the sport new caso beat burning 8 when the 3rd a game in a rider they now move up to 13th in the premier league after holding on to a nervy to warn victory at her mall ben maze scored an own goal in the 1st 4 minutes before care in clark a made it to nettle some vague state get bernie back in the game there are just before half time bought it wasn't enough the result leaves bony 17th than the table one point above the relegation zone meanwhile joe you say marine yet was confirmed victor lindelof is expected to be out for some time off to picking up what he described as a prop it injury at the weekend head of their champions league match against 2 young boys meanwhile been odd a silver on gabrial jays use haven't traveled with manchester city it's her liam elsewhere despite celebrating a fast ever 3 now test series win over srilanka indians had coach trevor bayliss says us still question marks either his size openness keaton jennings and will rebbe and schooled one sentry between them they list says they haven't some men said that positions that could yet take england forward 3 years and finally the 22 year old british born it's high drives or alexander old burned will rice for tory rosso you in formula one next season this space b.b.c. Radio 5 live phone digital b.b.c. Sounds smart streaker come up look at the weather overnight shall is will continue in the lease but it in become dry thought the west replace bells cheese steak ellie folk who left to leave a large she Joy a bright save of the evening will be a mixed picture across the U.K. But heavy showers likely in kinds of 9 degrees Celsius in London. Close thinking. Processes. To a story. From Britain ended up on a ranch in the Texas Texas. Very very early in the country precedented access to surface East trend for us. Right. Exclusive. On AM and F.M. In the U.K. On digital and online well. Donald Trump hasn't gotten involved in the breaks at the bit since July but on Monday afternoon a few words for reporters standing in the shade of a presidential helicopter sat by Judge that describing the agreement go shares at Brussels as a great deal for the E.U. President Trump declared that by his reading of it the U.K. May not be able to make its own trade deal with the United States and he added rather obviously that would be a very big negative for the Michael fabric one of the Conservative M.P.'s who have said they'll vote against the arrangement said Trump is spot on. And this was the moment that NASA has Mission Control land that their new robot has successfully landed on the surface of Mars Touchdown confirmed. That a loss of more than 6 months covered more than 300000000 miles and culminated in a nail biting the scent known by the team working on 6 and a half minutes of terror the insight probing to study the world's deep interior for 1st time and make Mars the only planet apart from mass that's been examined in this way confirmation of touchstone came through on Q 953 G.M.T. Less vaunted but traveling along with the Mars insight lander are 2 comparatively tiny spacecraft the 30 Pod probes called Cube Sats more intimately known to their friends as well E. And E. And their job was to get the message back to Earth from the insight Lander Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer and man has been managing one of these craft and joins us now and we're also joined by Ken Cramer from space up close Hello to you both and I know a lot of folks lovely to have you with us and congratulations straightaway must be overjoyed I am extremely excited to get think you. Well Will be back here in just a minute but I'm just going to get Kendrick to take to catch everybody up with with where we are with this. Can before we talk about the Cube Sats with with Iran just tell us about the big deal about insite I mean why should we be so excited about it. Well you 1st We're excited because it landed successfully and 2nd will be excited it's the A's time will be excited because it's doing something we've never done before on Mars we're going to be looking at the interior of Mars all the previous probes from NASA that were successful have all looked at the surface looking at water looking that are gathered molecules but this is the 1st time we'll be looking at at the interior and it's going to tell us about the origin and the evolution of not just Mars but also about for you know what was Earth like cause that's all been eroded away by by by tectonic forces and Roshan and weathering So that that's what this is all exciting about it's all new science going back to the origin of the of the solar system and the sense I actually have a draw on this is that what's going to get a diode into the into MAS is crossed it has 2 main sign in science instruments it does have a hammering drill that's from from Germany and I should mention there's a huge European participation in this from Germany and France and even England yet has a drill that's going to go about 16 feet 5 feet down and it's going to measure the heat flow come Mars and so that will tell us a lot about the surface composition So yes there is if it's a it's a hammering a mole is what it is not so much a drill as a hammering hole but we have what we would curiosity is a drill to sample that's the other NASA Mars rover there now and I'm just one more question for you for the time big from the landing site which is near the Martian equator that's where nearly all the Londres have gone isn't why is that the sort of sweet spot. Well it depends what they're looking for yeah most of them have gone near the equator However Phoenix which actually this is based on went to the north polar regions and that was a very exciting mission because it basically landed on top of water ice OK and drilled into that and and really discovered water there at the surface so so yeah most but not all have been at the equator and it just depends on the science that you want to do it for this mission for the science we want to be you know closer to the equator well. We saw so many pictures of people high 5 each other today were you and one of those pictures probably not in if there are pictures of Red Shirts I was not there the marketing was in a different room does adjacent to the inside crowd we were definitely cheering but I don't think we made any of the pictures. So. The the wonderful thing about well there's so many wonderful things about the cube one is though that really cheap Ron and and I know that's one of the reasons why sides are so so excited about it yes a keeps that's by design are typically thought there's they're much smaller than normal spacecraft so the mark the 2 Marco satellites were about the size of a briefcase or a carry on luggage and because it's small it's what we call single string so instead of having multiple redundant systems on board it's kind of there's only one of everything and it's all very tightly packed into this very specific volume and so because it's small it's got a focused mission for Marco we didn't even have a science instrument on it. It is much you can do it for a much lower cost him with a smaller team at a much faster time scale so it is a lower cost kind of mission. It reminds me of one of our satellite phone which were carried in hard brief cases you know the kind of sort of executive style briefcase and you don't mop and you done for the $910.00 a big square antenna it's not a 1000000 miles from a satellite phone is it by the sound of it you know it's actually I mean does unfold the mean antenna that we use to communicate to Earth from the Mars distance did unfold it is a 3 fold sighted antenna and it opened and when it did open Yeah you could kind of it did kind of look like an open briefcase. But instead yeah but like you said incident just talk on your phone we talked from Mars very well and what was the what was the actual sequence of events did you have to wait till the insight probe had landed before you deployed the cube sites. No so the Cube Sats launched on the same rocket is in sight but we were deployed after insite had deployed so we hitched a ride on the same rocket but the 2 Marco satellites had to fly their own way to Mars and that was a 1st for this kind of satellite so even before we got to Mars. Marco was a technology demonstration because this is the 1st time any of this technology this small in this package actually flown in deep space so just by getting to Mars Marco his demonstrated exactly that was our primary technology demonstration is getting to Mars it all and then supporting me in sight communications is kind of icing on the cake but they did that job extremely extremely well to have a voice that thanks to De Marco the 1st picture came by a picture of all the the specs of the art on the lens Yes. Yes the data that was relayed real time did come from Marco there was an orbiter called the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter that also collected the data but that because that orbiter went behind Mars as soon as it collected that data it didn't come down until a couple hours later. So instant communication from Mars thanks to thanks to little Wally and Eve and is it true that they propel themselves on a sense of the same stuff that you get in a fight extinguishers It is yeah it's a cold gas propulsion system so it's fluid inside is a fire extinguisher expire fire extinguisher fluid and when when we do a maneuver we heat up that liquid so it's exposed as a gas and it's essentially just very small puffs of this yeah this fire extinguisher gas at that point and it's a very small puff but the satellites are small enough that that's enough to adjust the trajectory and put both spacecraft exactly where they needed to be when they needed to be to relay the insight data. Sort of thing to think about isn't it once you've got away from the clutches of gravity all you need to get to Mars is a fire extinguisher. If your spacecraft is small enough yes. It's fantastic so did anything not work or is everything just just work more than you could have imagined Oh it I mean today during entry descent and landing the 2 spacecraft performed almost flawlessly getting to that point we kind of had hiccups along the way in the space and the team was learning how to fly the spacecraft there was a leak on one of the Marcos spacecraft but we learned how to deal with that and how to manage it so that both of them did perform exactly what we needed them to do when it mattered and that you need a LOT of course correction was something that you had to fly very carefully it was we had planned to do 5 trajectory correction maneuvers and both spacecraft only ended up needing 4 so it's weird when plans kind of correct as we went but we have an amazing navigation team here at J.P.L. And they kept us on as much they kept us very on track so I know you called it well the any because you know cute names and they're cute things And also we're really flew on puffs of air space or puffs of fluid anyway. Where do they go from here to that they just kind of cruise off into the great blue yonder a little bit so that they don't go into orbit around Mars this was just a fly by but both spacecraft will end up in an elliptical orbit around the sun so they'll they won't Yeah they'll still be in orbit around the sun but they're. They are beyond Mars now. Another going to send anything else back they're going to be. Interesting I think you'll get any other messages for the next few days we're going to keep getting data back from the spacecraft there's data that was stored onboard there we're going to send back so we know exactly what happened on the spacecraft itself and get more rich set of data from the Marcos satellites and figure out what their performance was during insight E.T.L. And kind of assess that entire event and really understand what the state of the spacecraft was we I mean both of them performed very well but we want to understand exactly what the environment was what the trajectory was what the power levels and all the kind of the environment onboard the spacecraft so we'll still be assessing that data and getting it down from the spacecraft over the next couple days and what's the future now that you've you've had this proof of concept what happens now that's a really good question said Marco it was designed to be a technology demonstration to show that we can fly this technology and that it's a viable kind of architecture to fly future missions so hopefully the future missions will build on the success of Marco and we can see similar missions like this in the future Well thank you so much and our congratulations again it's just it's just a great great day for you all thank you there's a plan that I think Ken says and from him to oh absolutely what a spectacular demonstration mark and we wouldn't have had those pictures without it or that or said you know about the success that quick. Is that I mean can't Isn't that something that may happen though on future shots that you know there may be a cube goes along with Landers wherever they're going to. Well that's yes that's exactly what what NASA is looking into we do know that on the S.L.'s there is a bunch of cubes that whenever that launches in a year or 2 will go to the moon so there are plans to send Cube Sats beyond beyond from plan to send Cube Sats beyond the Earth to the moon and NASA is going to look elsewhere so yeah there's obviously because they can be developed very quickly and at very low cost there's a lot of great science that they can do beyond the technology demonstration and they even did a little bit of science occupation with the atmosphere on this mission and hopefully they'll get that data back. Feels like a new chapter doesn't it in the way that. Explore space oh it really is it really is what we what we need the next mission so we don't have a next to prove Mars mission so that's the next step is to get a mission approved and then you know put some Cube Sats on it and I should also mention there's a lot of tubes that the launching to the International Space Station you know we just had a big missile launch and we've got a Space X. Dragon launch coming up in about an hour in about a week and a half so we're putting a lot of Cube Sats already in Earth orbit missiles a great demonstration of what they can do beyond or the now that you know the technology has been demonstrated they're going to go full bore and see what else these things can do carry out a real science and give me an example of a Cube Sats doing around the space station well they're taking pictures of the earth they're monitoring the atmosphere a lot of Mark technology demonstration experiments. There's one right now they just went up they want to see how long these things will actually last in the Earth's orbit is to see what the radiation in the environment does as they're orbiting the Earth until they until they actually in a reenter prove a force of gravity so. Yeah a lot of things going on can thanks very much indeed thank you Ken Cramer is from space up close and we heard from unmanned and from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena California as we've heard in the news the British academic who was jailed for life for spying in the United Arab Emirates is on his way back home after being pardoned Matthew had just left to his 31 years old denies spying for anybody he says he been researching his Ph D. His wife Daniela to harder who appealed for clemency and was crushed with the news been sent to prison for life was elated and she said she can't wait to have him back home the pardon was issued by the United Arab Emirates as part of a series of orders more than $700.00 people on the country's National Day However a spokesman said Mr Hedges was 100 percent a Secret Service operative makes life very difficult for academics Mark Owen Jones is assistant professor of Middle East Studies Mohammed Bin Khalifa University and Doha I asked Professor Jones whether he thought the release of Matthew Hedges is the end of the the thing the end of the matter I don't think it is I think there's a number of repercussions that this event will have I mean let's not forget that Matthew has been solitary confinement for a large portion of the last few months and the rest in my the psychological trauma that's going to have I mean we really know that he suffers from depression and panic attacks in prison. So for MAP personally going to be personal repercussion that you know he could live with for many years perhaps the rest of his life. So that's on a personal level I think academically speaking it's usually problematic regardless of the solution or so you know this amicable solution as as it's called and obviously is a good outcome for Matt and his family I mean I think there's obviously going to be a chilling effect on academics who wish to study in the U.A.E. Now don't get me wrong I think most people who go to the way you know there's limitations to what can and cannot be said but I think up till now people doing academic research generally felt comfortable going that to conduct interviews and things like that the problem with Matthew's detention is that there's a certain arbitrary ness to it. Jeremy Hunt For example didn't see the evidence that doesn't seem to be any plausible case against Matthew that has any credibility so even people doing and Oculus research on topics removed from politics might be fearful that they will be repercussions of potential consequences if they ask questions that they do not know to be sensitive and I have several colleagues who are planning to do research in the U.A.E. Who have already expressed that they're fearful about going so I think there are very serious repercussions for the academic world and I think to U.K. So the relationship between the U.A.E. In the U.K. Is probably been put into some sort of jeopardy because again I think what the U.A.E. Have done has crossed a line in terms of how they've treated British citizens I know this is happened before in the U.A.E. With British citizens being arrested but for a young Ph D. Student coming academic research I think this is relatively I'm president. Do you and your colleagues know watch a car in Mass you actually tramped on do you know which button he pushed in a shack. It's I mean it's not not specifically it's hard to tell I think when you're researching security when you're asking questions about the military. When you're asking questions about a system of government that can include sensitive issues related to a tribal politics it's very easy to to potentially ask the wrong question he may have surprised someone with some knowledge they had and they may have been shocked at how he knew that or he may have asked the question but worried someone else having said that those those other the other explanations we know for example that you we use advance of a new technologies it's not clear if Matthew's devices were bugged Well if they were extracting information from his devices that remains unclear. Do you do you and your colleagues have an area of special fascination in the U.A.E. Minas are needy and that everybody is really intrigued by. I think I think what we've seen in the U.A.E. That is intriguing and it probably perhaps worsened since last year with the blockade is that tends to be this idea in academic circles that the U.A.E. Is becoming some on top of an open prison and Matthew is one example and he stand out in many ways because he's a British citizen and so the British press and the Western press that's been highlighting his case but we have to remember people like men and activists in the U.A.E. Who was detained and people didn't hear from him for months and this happened last year so there has been a crackdown on activists in the United Arab Emirates and the fact that it's a war provides another kind of novel fascination I suppose for academics simply because it's a gulf country at war with another country and how does this actually impact its policies on its perception of threat and security. And you know an invasion to the Arab uprisings that happened 2000 Lebanon a lot of change in the region that make it quite an interesting case study and there's also some sort of interest around been cited and be said who is believed by some to been one of the driving forces behind the blockade in closet and I don't know if that's true to be honest but certainly M.B. That is attracting a lot of attention for being a kind of a strong leader in the region. As opposed to M.B.'s just another N B Yes another one of the another and be back with or is that there are theories that somehow that he's pulling the strings of M.B.'s but I'm not sure if that credible to be honest although it is true that he's more experienced and and perhaps you know. Why the than M.B. I think I was a very young I mean older that most of them in the Saudi crown prince Anyway yes we all are. What what do you think about the way that this has been handled I know the family I know you know deeply grateful to the Foreign Office and the foreign secretary for making this an absolute priority but but an Early on they want that happy with the foreign office the foreign office or statements that seriously. No I mean I've definitely perceptions about how the foreign office has handled this. That are negative and I for one I'm very critical of the front offices handling of it but don't get me wrong I mean I understand perhaps what the Foreign Office is doing in the 1st place I think they understood that they had they might have had a better chance of getting at the hedges out of detention if they try they tried on the issue lightly they didn't want to embarrass the U.A.E. And if this could be dealt with back channels without the publicist the they could have perhaps released maps and there would have been no. Embarrassment and therefore no need to save face and the face saving came for example when they sentenced him and then they pardoned him so it looked like it was above board according to you a legal 6 system however there was people like myself who from an early stage thought that the only way that this would actually be results would be to draw media attention to it and and you know the foreign office although they were not keen to do that I know the family were not keen to do that and I think initially the Foreign Office is kind of you know they gave a junior officer to assist Matthys wife Daniella in the case which again suggests that they weren't that serious and I think one or 2 of the comments from the Foreign Office along the lines of you know how did you how did you you know why did you think Matt should have gone done this research you know it was very risky suggested to Daniela. The Foreign Office was not just not taking it seriously but after beating some so sort of blame to Matthew and then the Ella in the case so I think it was sort of both. Danielle and Sally we felt it was wasn't being taken seriously but also that the foreign office were not that sympathetic to the case. In the outcome will the best way for future academics to study the U.A.E. Actually be from a neighboring country yes unfortunately I think I think that's probably the case I think academics doing certain research in particular especially if it's about security or politics it is perhaps best that they were mostly That's not to say I want to discourage academics from going them and doing research but I cannot wish upon anyone else a similar experience that Matthew went through and there's just no way of knowing without seeing any any credible evidence without having confirmation that there's credible credible evidence for example the British government that you know we can confirm that going that would be safe move for someone who could potentially ask an innocuous question and then be arrested so I think there was it would be safe to do research in the way for elsewhere but obviously you wouldn't get the same level of access the you know you would lose the ability to conduct face to face interviews with key players so the research probably would suffer. Professor Mark Owen Jones from Mohamed Bin Khalifa University and it's half past 1. On digital B.B.C. So it's not speaking this is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live with B.B.C. News here than Iran must present trance willing to resume Breck's agreement may make it harder for Britain to tried with the US The Prime Minister's already been heavily criticised today in the Commons as she tried to persuade M.P.'s to back her deal NASA successfully landed another a bottle on Mars which is at mission control in California as the probe insight reached its destination after traveling through space for about 6 months the British academic he was jailed by the U.A.E. For spying is on his way back to the U.K. Officials in U.A.E. Insist that Matthew Hedges was working for M I 6 he's denied the charges and the Bank of England's released a list of more than $800.00 scientists who've been nominated to feature on the new 50 pound KNIGHT They include Stephen Hawking and Alan chairing but 11 has the sport Good morning Newcastle have recorded a 3rd successive win in the Premier League after they held their nerve against Burnley to secure a nervy 21 victory at the mall they now move up to 13th in the Premier League and it's a victory that boss Rafa Benitez says is crucial it's massive because they give you more confidence and you can see the table and separate we are in a better position it's still a long running race so we have to carry on but we are doing well and hopefully we can continue in this month Bernese Ben Mays Goldeneye goal in the 1st 4 minutes before they conceded another shortly after but despite a poor start to the game Shaun Dykes has taken some positives from his side's performance certainly deserve a goal in the 1st half and got back in it and 2nd after after a slow start we actually provided enough to go get a clause Ruffo just plays in that respect because you know you've got to create chances and we did but it's how we can then take them challenges and obviously look good on the back side so are better soil. 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They could start a politician was born Jean Barker irascible Chicago paint manufacturer and in her early years she was worked she was one of the Bletchley Park code breakers she spoke to Evan Davis last year before she retired from the House of Lords hear her thoughts on the me to campaign and what women should do with men who try to own I think you test them. And make it quite possible the flat faced and if you can possibly get away. With men every lead that. Really with me used to be terrified of May have passed now they don't give a damn. If the man does that it deserves to be a public class made of in or she decided to retire at age of $95.00 here are her feelings on leaving the Lords actually miss it did. I will have permission to sit on the steps of the. And I will be there to eat meals. But I went been a member and I won't be able to speak I will be allowed as the ha ha ha then that is. Finally over and I asked whether or not she meant to give the B. Side to Lord King after he made a joke about her age now in some stories you would really be making a V. Sign that on other accounts you will you have knew very well what you were doing I did that I thought it was insufferable. Well Soviet monikers interviewed strong victim last year for tackler. When I spoke to Sofia Earlier I asked her she came across a bit of a battle axe I think she was what one would classically call a battleaxe but in a kind of wonderful way she had such a sense of humor. She wasn't you know she only I think she did come in it is at one point in the N.T. It was like well some sort of stupid question you know I mean it wasn't only was I gather once was pretty. But once she sort of got off got going and. You realized you know she liked you and she realized you had a sense of humor too it was great and she was a wonderful storyteller and I had to have a couple of hours sitting with her and I remember reading back into the there's a lot about food should love to food to accompany referencing food and talk about this dinner party all that party all the impasse in dancing dancing on tables with her party trick back in the day or maybe not until Monday so she was a battle axe but so much fun at the same time there's a lovely picture in your article about with her at the store club in New York and I can tell you exactly read us smoke. Yeah she loved it she was she went out to New York when she was young and you had a bull but I think she carried on doing that you know she didn't she didn't really have a slow down and when I interviewed her she'd only just retired for the last 2 weeks before but she had by all accounts one hell of a party to go out with and she was already already quite sort of wistful I'm missing it she didn't really want to retire she wanted to carry on but I think she felt she sort of should. Is it true that must be true because you said so the spectator meter cigar smoker of the year yes I actually went to that. Party it was a boy styles in Canary Wharf one year and it was yeah it was almost was not Barney's Trumpington and what he called Frazier Kelsey Grammer it was those 3 the triumvirate sitting on a table together I mean a more unlikely 3 A you'd be helpless to find but the notion of that kind of thing was well up for a party that's been tough for her to give up but talk to me but about her memories are blissfully part that she that enjoy our time as a codebreaker or least as an associate of the codebreakers I mean I think from what I gathered I think from what she wrote in a book she was very very boring she said but she also used to jump on trying to come to London she had some I think lifelong friends that she made. And so they sort of made their own fun I would say at the same time she said it was a bit monotonous and was also not a tool suited. Boastful to about her so what she'd done. She. Got on with it did the job but then came out from under them and passing in clubs when she could and I would sneak back in the morning but but Terrific of all the people she could stand up for Alan Turing many years later and yet his name cleared Yes exactly I mean she again she really fought and did stand out you know this was a battleaxe thing comes back and it's not necessarily a negative thing she because she believed that she did stand up and fight for them and exactly that that's a pretty and pointing case. So so there she is she's she's married to Alan who takes her to Cambridge did she talk much about Kweisi went into politics. I'm trying to I'm announcing No Well I think she I think she was a social thing was it just meeting more people maybe. I think she wanted something to do and so she decided to become a councillor and then found she was really rather good at it because again she wasn't afraid to speak up and speak our mind and she wasn't a retiring wall flower in any sense so once she got involved I think woman she was doing it until very very recently she just found something that she loved and that she was good at and she wanted to sort of carry on doing as she did really for the rest of her life. And she's good friends with Mrs Thatcher did she talk about Mrs Thatcher Yes I think they thought quite similar characters in a way in a time when it was much harder probably for women to to pieces to stand up and be counted and I think yeah I think. I think I did come up against one another every now and then but I think probably respected. The other as well for getting as far as they had done as women. In that age it's really isn't it because in the you know you don't have that many Barbara Castle and you had better Broderick and the you have to start thinking about it really don't exactly yeah totally I mean the really one weren't very many of them which is again maybe why she did have a reputation for being quite outspoken because she that was how she had come up she had to be more so perhaps than I mean it's not. Quite on an equal footing yet but but I think back then you had to be even more outspoken to really make yourself heard as a woman in politics. And the story about David Lloyd George to owning the farm where she became I want to go well yes I mean she again played down in 28 change that story obviously has a sort of slightly different resonance. They will sort of measure her up she can play that down so I think she called him an old goat and she she didn't she wasn't she didn't sort of hadn't seem to scar or. Harm her in any way at all she was she was made of tough stuff for a day so the most at the honest if I was loyal which I think. Was if you were there for you know hours and hours and she's she's dropping all these names were other names she dropped even you thought Good grief she didn't know her or she didn't know her. I suppose if you've lived as long as you have you know for most of the 20th century and work in the line of work that she did You are going to come across a good number of incredible people said no I wasn't ready because the other thing that she did she never did it in a sort of boastful way she did it in a very jolly entertaining way it's a bit like you know everyone sort of falling in love with Harry Redknapp and I'm a celebrity and I mean he's talking about this and so and so that as I think you know fed he's not doing it in a sort of place or way his stories just amazing it was kind of the same with fairness Trumpington she wasn't showing off she was literally just regurgitating these incredible stories from her career it really wasn't name dropping in a sort of irritating way that I think about yes airing dropping in a suit and making up for me in Paris I love that Sofia monikers who wrote a lovely piece about Baroness Trumpington which appeared in the January issue of the 29th of January issue of Tatler Well Ukraine. Raising it again as a as an international issue of concern some might say should always have been the national issue of concern but it's now got an evil dimension to it after the parliament in Ukraine voted to impose martial law after the naval confrontation over the weekend in the current Strait linking the sea of us off to the Black Sea Russia cedes 3 Ukrainian vessels $23.00 crew and today U.S. Secretary of State might come pill called Moscow's actions a dangerous escalation and violation of international law marching across a senior fellow with the Atlantic Council's Eurasia center he joins us now hello Mark. Thank you for having me thank you for go to talk to us can we sort of start with a geography lesson because look at the mob this is I mean Ukraine would be encircled wouldn't it if every managed to cut off its access can you explain why. You know the as O.C. Which is an internal sea access to which is managed by agreement between Russia and Ukraine is a sea that has several significant Ukrainian cities and the access of those cities and the ports of those cities all flow through a very narrow isthmus that runs between the Russian occupied Ukrainian territory of Crimea and the Russian land mass and recently Russia completed a $4000000000.00 bridge that crossed between Crimea and that Russian landmass So in many ways Russia always in a way controlled the straits between Russia and Crimea but now there's a bridge sitting between there and as a result in recent months Russia with after the completion of that bridge has put more pressure on Ukrainian shipping and millet both military and commercial in crossing that very narrow strait which is called The Courage Strait and this incident which occurred over the weekend saw 3 Ukrainian deciles 2 artillery barrage barges and one tugboat that were transiting from the Black Sea port of ADESA and were trying to transit through the courage Strait and under the bridge and up to Ukrainian city in the as all sea and Ukrainian side claims that they informed the Russia which by agreement they are supposed to do and the Russian side claimed that they had not received any of that information and as a result they rammed and fired upon those 3 vessels causing this escalation and this crisis so it would be that easy to blockade Ukraine see access. Absolutely both because of the geography as well as the military superiority that Russian holds in the Black Sea And as all of see. By intent Russia could easily strangle shipping and also if Davis effectively been able to do some of these. Seizures and as well as some of the boarding that they've done of Ukrainian shipping they've defacto already created a type of and Bargo on some of that shipping because many insured shippers have found it difficult to go to the AS A C. Because of those restrictions so part of this is all a component of Russia's creeping annexation of Crimea as well as its attempt to undermine the rest of Ukraine economically ahead of elections next year in Ukraine which sought to showcase the current Ukrainian president's weakness and inability to confront deal with the Russian occupation so in many ways Russia's previewing the election campaign next year by seeking to undermine the current president and make little if I may for the Glee speaking is this Russia pulling the strings tight and trying at all or is it Ukraine testing to see what would happen. I think it's a bit of both I think 1st off Russia is responsible for this action they chose to intervene and aggressively confront these Ukrainian ships which have a right to transit through the current Strait and onto Ukrainian ports obviously Russia is testing the Western response to see what kind of statements and actions we'll see from NATO the E.U. The United States and finally of course the Ukrainians also have a role to play they chose to move the ships through at a time when they likely understood there was a chance of them being interdicted and as many claim who are opposed to the authorities in Kiev the key is using this. Movement of ships to both test the West response and to elicit a crisis that actually could create a domestic political benefit to President Bush and Co He's been trying to find a reason potentially to impose martial law and because of the elections in Iran the flag effect there's a chance that he could actually bolster his flagging domestic political support ahead of presidential elections because of this crisis so the Ukrainians are definitely going to use this for their own interests and many say that they could have actually undergone this potentially test run of boats through the courts straight to try to elicit some sort of response. It has a bit of a problem to NATO though doesn't it. Is it possible to see what the NATO response might be you know NATO of course Ukraine is not a treaty ally it's a partner so technically any attack on Ukraine is not an attack on the alliance but of course you know NATO is credibility is at stake because of its deep involvement in supporting an independent Ukraine. General secretary general Stoltenberg of NATO came out with a strong statement supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty in the past NATO ships have often flowed through the boss 1st into the Black Sea both in terms of their need to showcase assistance and support to a literal states some of which are NATO allies like Romania and Bulgaria some of which are like Ukraine and Georgia I assume those ships will continue to pass to the Black Sea despite Russian objections but yes of course in many ways how the NATO and the West responds will showcase to Russia whether or not they do have the support of the Western alliance as there is an escalation between Russia and Ukraine and many had hoped of of a stronger U.S. Statement Secretary Pompei 0 today came out I think was generally a strong statement condemning the Russian attack but this is obviously going to be a part of the discussion in Argentina between Presidents Putin President Trump because they meet this weekend on the margins of the G. 20 correct. Is that part of the reason for the timing that. You know I think that part tension is part of the time and from the Russian side there was an interest in seeing what the response would be and also was interested potentially in provoking Ukraine into firing back which the Koreans did not do I think the Ukrainian sailors had significant restraint they could have really done something that could have resulted in their sinking and the Russians were testing the Ukrainian response but also of course Ukraine is interested in elevating the issue of resolving the conflict in Ukraine on the international profile there has not been much success in mediating through the Normandy format and through U.S. Direct diplomatic efforts with Russia in this ministration under a basket or Volcker and minister sort of calls in Russia to find a solution so in a way and some may assume that escalating the crisis could actually increase the chance for its resolution but it's a very dangerous game to play particularly with Russia being so able and willing and interested and escalating and putting pressure on Ukraine are some across the line to console Eurasia Center thank you very much Mark thanks for time or let's join Carol and sob in the USA Today Hello Carol on Iran how are you. Have a long and weary and weekend for America shoppers we can get back to work right oh that's right and I mean I was delighted to get back to work today. Or in Europe . But I'm well funnily enough the 1st story you asked USA Today is actually the make up you know some people are going to be getting for Christmas I suppose. No higher and I think I'm coming down now on the side of I'm glad I don't use very much make. Because this is a story that looks at all the chemicals that are in. And whether or not those are dangerous and you know what we really know if. This is really right well you could always just think about the ladies of my Antunes court who put lead on their faces white LED because they thought it was attractive. And it probably was for a couple years and then it wasn't so attractive after that really died and do you know what's causing this latest burst of concern. Well there is this one of Paltrow has her. Her company called coop and that's one of the you know people who are talking about natural busy ingredients and not using manmade chemicals in the other and that sort of industry has became duty movement has has driven a 27 per cent increase in skin care just this year starting its big big money and. People are starting to look at OK Jacqui why am I putting on my on my skin or my hip putting on my nails nail polish is mentioned several times in the story and I'm kind of thinking well that's really interesting and then you know what are we putting in our hair and it's looking at you know these are these natural companies really is there something to be said for what they're doing or or are we just making kind of a mountain out of a molehill with these you know the ingredients they're just there's not that much in you know like there's not that much. Formaldehyde causing chemical that is really going to have an effect on your understanding your hair so. It's pretty interesting reading I would I would encourage women to. Do a lot with their hair makeup take a look at those one. And men who use a lot of hairspray Which brings us to our next story about President Trump and his plan to. Fossil fuels very nice segue. Yeah the. Democrats now I have taken back the House and the new Congress will start up and handing Mary and it looks to looks like the new Congress is going to be looking at ways to to sort of put forth this environmental agenda again even though back when the Democrats lost the House they lost basically one of the things that that turned voters off with how how much they try to push. You know cap and trade policy busy and try to you know try to go across the environment also gender but now after 2 years of trump people are saying maybe we better pay attention to the environment a little bit more and the Democrats are going to be trying to insert different measures into legislation that will go through over the next couple of years and really sad story about the number of women who face the violence and where they're most at risk you know this was really shocking to me there are a 137 women who are killed every day and that mostly by a number of their own family and it's just a really shocking statistic I mean talk about 6 women being killed every hour by people they know that's really really a shocking statistic says. The 9 Nations Office of Drugs and Crime has released a new study and they are going to try to you know circus on efforts to to reduce the. Number of women killed by intimate partners. Going forward. How do they do that is the question right and and so far as efforts have not been successful the numbers have been pretty stable over the last decade and and so they're looking for you know and new ways to maybe he's moving to movement in time that maybe that's going to allow there to be more focus and more attention paid to the problem let's hope Allan thanks very much you have tied. Thank. You. For anyone else. I. Tried to B.B.C. News release from across the top story this. With criticism of treason. And in Spital new call so hold on for now the rain against. This is B.B.C. My President Trump is out of his criticism to raise my eyes bright sit beside me thinks it could make it more difficult for the U.S. To trade with the U.K. He said the agreements as a great day for the E.U. If you look at the deal they may not be able to trade with us and that would be a good thing I don't think that I don't think that the prime minister about that and hopefully he'll be able to do something about that but right now as the deal stands they may not be able to trade with the US I don't think they want better at all that would be a very big negative for the NASA successfully landed another robotic Pro Bowl Maus in sight spent 6 months travelling through space to reach its destination it's going to be looking at how the red planet was formed Professor John Bridges is part of the Mars Curiosity team that's another rover that's already there it's really a very different mission than a compliment you know the land is very well so exciting and of course continue funding saw.