It's 4 o'clock in the news comes from Charlotte the main news on 5 life plans for deposit return scheme on condom bottled drinks in England but in sports significant sanctions to come for Australia's ball tampering triac. Is B.B.C. . Plans are being announced for a deposit return scheme on drinks bottles and cans in England I mean shops would charge more and then pay back the extra costs and they contain is all returned the government hopes it will reduce waste and increase recycling has the environment secretary Michael Gove other countries have got it right and we can learn from them but there are particular circumstances in the U.K. The way in which local government for example currently recycles material the way in which all corner shops truck it was well we've got to make sure that this scheme works and that's what we want to consult with everyone affected in order to ensure that when we press the go button everything works effectively. The North Korean leader Kim Jong un has met the Chinese president Xi Jinping in Beijing it is his 1st foreign trip since he is seen power in 2011 Christopher Hill is a former chief negotiator if the US on North Korea's nuclear program yes but our country or the Chinese I think your baby very clear that they are not. Until he gets back to the position of being prepared to give up nuclear weapons Well clearly they are things are happening and the Chinese have hopes that it is actually going well you know there is a sham table when he makes the dark try Nato's expelling 7 Russian diplomats image spawns to the poisoning of the former Spice OK script and his daughter Yulia and so more than 2 dozen countries are now taking action so the nice believes they only have a slim chance of survival victorious crip Palace been speaking to the B.B.C. Ulip part of the prognosis really isn't good out of 99 percent I have maybe one percent of hope. Because they were given some kind of antidote whatever it was has given them a very small chance of survival but they're going to be invalids for the rest of their lives invited them. By court to rule later on a legal challenge to the parole board's decision to grant the release of the serial sex offender John Worboys He served 10 years been indeterminate prison sentence. 2 reason May says she will implement a long term funding plan for the N.H.S. In England the prime minister hasn't given further details of how much money will be available or where from his own political correspondent Chris Mason what the prime minister has said is that she wants the N.H.S. In England to have a multi-year funding settlement to get away from having annual top up so you get these moments where senior doctors and clinicians play for extra money in this crisis points she says we need a long term plan for the N.H.S. The French president a man well McKown will lead a national memorial service in honor of the police officer who died after swapping place of the hostage during an attack last week left and Colonel Annabel Tran was one of 4 people killed by a red one like teen. A survey suggests a 3rd of current is in Britain would never buy an electric vehicle the research was carried out by the socio workers in the motor industry. The government and to ban the sale of all when you diesel and petrol vehicles by 2040 that's the 5 Live news with the sport James Craig the C.E.O. Of Cricket Australia James Solon does confirm that Captain Steve Smith vice captain David Warner and batsman Cameron Bancroft have been sent home from the tour of South Africa after the controversy over ball tampering he said any punishment for the players would be significant that's expected to be announced in the next 24 hours he also confirmed Darren Lehmann would continue in his position as head coach as he had no knowledge of the plot to alter the ball away from the ball tampering scandal to Wembley Italy scored a light penalty awarded by V.A.R. As England drew their final warm up game before announcing their provisional will Cup squad Jamie was cancelled out by Lorenzo insignias late penalty Alex McLeish meanwhile has his 1st win in his 2nd spell as Scotland manager his side be hungry one nil in Budapest England Under 20 one's of me 5 points clear at the top of the euro 29 team qualifying group they beat Ukraine into the wall at Bramall Lane and Rafa Nadal could return from a hip injury next week after being named in Spain's Davis Cup squad he's not played competitively since pulling out of his Australian Open quarter final in January this is B.B.C. 5 Live on digital online the smartphone unsober that patchy rain continue cross Scotland of the next few persistent rain in southwest England and Wales later Chalis much of the U.K. Today a chance of Sunday into those snow showers is going to mountains and later in the day the modem may also reviewed some of this on the show this weekend we have Good morning on AM an F.M. Arrive in the U.K. On digital and online I'm God shocked and appalled that. It was a slow train to China speculation was rife that the stately $21.00 car green train with its black tie windows that arrived in Beijing on Monday want to scaring the leader of North Korea Kim Jong Il and taking him to a meeting with this country's most important of not only our lives and so it was the official picture released just a couple of hours ago depicts Mr Kim in front of a curtain of red flags shaking the hand of China's new president for life sheets and playing with a full report published by China's Shinhwa news agents say says Mr Kim is open to a summit meeting with leaders of the United States. While yesterday about this time we reported that Facebook is now the subject of an investigation by the Federal Trade Commission we may also have reported that the stock market continued to take value off Facebook shares to the chin of many billions of dollars and in among the small tsunami of lawsuits that landed on Facebook's doorstep yesterday as one from 3 users of the messenger they're claiming that their privacy has been violated by the software scraping the logs of their phone calls and text messages. Once again we're joined by Professor Goldman co-director of the high tech Law Institute at the Santa Clara University School of Law Hello Professor Goldman Hello well not to talk about messenger I suppose when we talk about scraping. That that requires a set amount of digital skill doesn't it get to go in behind the app and look at say the data that's kind of been passed back and forth what what is Facebook accused of doing and Facebook AT THE CUTEST of grabbing information off of user cell phone that can record contacts that they've had through the phone and through text messages and then appending that information into Facebook's overall database about users so it's getting more comprehensive look at who the users are talking to and maybe some additional insights about those relationships and I know we had a chest about the usability of Facebook's privacy settings and so on but I looked at the messenger settings here on on my phone and I can't see anything that says a Live Messenger to monitor my phone calls or a Live Messenger to monitor my text messages there's no on off switch for that Well Facebook has terminated that particular function so you wouldn't see it today and to be clear Facebook wasn't actually listening to the phone calls as well or wasn't reading the text messages they were just keeping logs of who was talking to whom and so that was an option that users had my stance that it ended in fall of last year so did Facebook suspect that this kind of action might have been coming. Buyer thinks that they terminated the feature because they started to get some unwanted attention but I would have to confirm that with Facebook. I mean the the general atmosphere on Facebook play talk sic isn't it I mean their reputations seem to be going to die would a bit of a a slice and I mean just it just a quick quote somebody you know from the intelligentsia I mean here's here's the novelist John Lanchester being quoted by David Remnick in The New Yorker as calling it the biggest surveillance based enterprise in the history of mankind says it's a bit like sharks a way no for criticism of Facebook isn't it well I appreciate learning others perspective I will say that I'm not sure that the U.S. Government still doesn't feel Facebook on surveillance. But but it's an excellent point Facebook is has built into its architecture that it wants to gather all the information kind of out of users and that constant gather number information sometimes put Facebook at odds with its users no longer set thinking about what's in the best interest of users it's taking what's in the best interest of Facebook so it's a combination of things for surveillance technology plus the fact that at some point they're no longer thinking about us as users to think about themselves well and indeed I mean the harshest critics of Facebook say it was never about the users they just say it was about data you know that that when you joined really you were the product. Yeah I don't think we like that expression but we can frame it differently we do get valuable services from Facebook there are times that Facebook makes my life better and I'm willing to exchange value to Facebook in order to get that call you from it but we have to always recognize that that value exchange is taking place that Facebook isn't just giving us the good stuff for free. So. Have we reached the kind of the legal conclusion of this show me without I don't know how many class action suits coming in a against Facebook because is Facebook just going to be I think you said to us yesterday that that Facebook would get through this is Facebook just readying the the army of lawyers to cope with the onslaught but certainly here in Silicon Valley we we benefit from all the money that Facebook spending on the lawyers pops up our economy but today 7 lawsuits were filed against Facebook just today and you know. There's no doubt that there's a lot of people who are looking for their piece of Facebook and that's just the private lawsuits of course there's the government investigations and there's the threats of Congressional regulation of Facebook as it has made its life very difficult but in the end it's about you and me and all of your listeners deciding it's Facebook still doing a good job for us and the answer is yes then I think Facebook could get through it but if our answer is changed and I think Facebook is in serious trouble. And do you think that someone like myself a bug can actually influence us I know he's he's declined to come and speak to a parliamentary committee goodness knows what we'll do with Congress but he is sending a high level Facebook executive to take his place can the I give the way out of this one with you know further prejudicing the situation against them when Facebook has a series of problems so they start with the Cambridge analytical problem and then on top of that there is layer this scraping of call logs it just. Compounds the problem each one becomes reinforcing of the overall message Facebook is invading our privacy so any one scandal is something that Facebook might be able to weather but the cumulative effect does put Facebook into a real difficult situation. I Goldman at Santa Clara University School of Law Thank you very much again of course our pleasure. Well in a scheme to recycle plastic bottles a spinning introduced in England to increase recycling rates reduce the amount of waste government says it will introduce a system of returning bottles in exchange for a deposit for single use drink containers that the deposit could be as much as $22.00 pence support similar schemes already operate in countries like Denmark Sweden and Norway but the plans in England are subject to a consultation later this year he had briefly as Environment Secretary Michael Gove but completely committed to taking action to deal with the tide of plastic that's in orations the only way in which we can deal with this effectively is by acting on a series of fronts and one critical part of that is having a deposit return scheme which make sure that bottles which contributes so much to marine litter and the rubbish in our countryside as well is affected the dealt with in a deposit return scheme is one way of doing that other countries have got it right and we can learn from them but there are particular circumstances in the U.K. The way in which local government for example currently recycles material the way in which a corner shops attracts them as well we've got to make sure that this scheme works and that's what we want to consult with everyone affected in order to ensure that when we press the go button everything works effectively. My whole goal of more expect to hear more about this in the day to come no the number of European countries no taking action to expel Russian diplomat stands at 15 However not every European country is done so exceptions include Greece and the Baltic countries which have a big neighborhood might be a little bit afraid of but why hasn't Portugal that's a question which I have been putting to our correspondent Alison Roberts Greece and Austria are among other E.U. Countries that have not expelled diplomats and they're getting a lot of the attention but Portugal doesn't seem to have been mentioned ironically really since it's actually Britain's oldest ally or at least England's since the 14th century no less Now there could be several explanations for its doing no more than issuing what was pointed strongly worded statement last week for one thing as a small country Portugal does always try its best to get along with everyone that it can including the likes of China and Russia and it also says it thinks that it's best to take action within supranational bodies such as the European Union and it did support the European Council's decision a few days ago to recall the E.U. Ambassador to Russia for consultation but perhaps there was another factor and that was Russia's support back in 2016 for former Portuguese prime minister Antonio good terraces bid to become United Nations secretary general as it turned out that support was crucial and a vindication for Portuguese officials at least all of their diplomatic efforts so I think that is being seen here as possibly one of the reasons why they may not have taken that dramatic step of expelling diplomats. General acceptance then that's OK People though it feel unhappy that Portugal hasn't joined the score in the 3rd Wave Yeah it's not something that people are protesting about certainly not publicly I think initially when I think there were said to be a dozen or 14 E.U. Countries that were going to expel diplomats it wasn't really much noted it seems to be standing out a little more now because I think we're now up to something like 16 E.U. Countries and and of course a number of others outside of Europe so I think people are starting to sort of scratch their heads and say what's going on but the government has come out and made a statement it hasn't been silence it has as I said it did issue quite a strongly worded statement very quickly condemning what happened and condemning Russia's attitude in its response to to reason May's initial demands that it provide information so I think it's tried to show that it's very much on the side of the U.K. But as I say that specific action it hasn't taken and there are as there are in other countries there are certainly some. Political quarters shall we say the far left which actually is foremost part of the support base for the minority socialist government parties on the far left have been making the kind of comments that you've seen elsewhere in Europe and indeed in the U.K. People saying well we haven't seen enough evidence to start expelling diplomats we need to see more evidence so I think we're you're seeing a bit similar debate that's taking place in other countries with some political quarters saying no no no we're going too far we really should wait and see when we have more information. We're very broke away after all of politics the unions have been quite showing their muscles and Portugal why are they doing it well as we've discussed before in the past and as I mentioned there there is a minority socialist government in power and it's supported in parliament outside of government by the Communist Party in another far left party and unions trade unions in Portugal tend to be linked many of them to the Communist Party and we've seen in the last few days and particularly today a number of protests and strikes by different groups of unionized workers that really seem to suggest that these far left movements may be getting just a little bit restive now the government the socialist government may have declared fairly famously now that it's turned the page on all stereotyping that's to say restoring the pay of public sector workers that was cut under the Eurozone bailout that Portugal had from 2011 but actually it has been keeping quite a tight rein on public spending so much so that the deficit last year the public sector budget deficit narrowed to less than one percent of gross domestic product once one off items are stripped out and then the 1st couple of months of this year there was actually a budget surplus and it's done that by basically squeezing investment in particular public sector investment and also not giving into the demands of those groups of workers that want now a pay rise not just their pay restored where where it was cut in the last couple of years so and we're also seeing in the public sector in general but particularly in areas such as the National Health Service which is similar to the British Health Service in the way it's set up parts of it have been described by some doctors as a war zone in terms of any departments that's again not unlike the kind of phrases that we've heard in the U.K. And there is a bit of a growing feeling here that a major injection of money is needed Luckily for the socialist government. Receipt have been doing well thanks in part to a tourist and we have seen for example the take from corporate taxation almost doubling in the 1st 2 months of this year as compared with a year ago so perhaps may be able to loosen the purse strings a little bit fairly soon here reminds us doesn't it of course of austerity and hope or to go it's really done very well in keeping within the rules and getting back from the brink of of disaster in the Euro Zone is it time for the Portuguese government to start borrowing money if it needs to improve public services Well of course it's borrowing money on a very large scale constantly rolling over its debt it still has one of the highest levels of indebtedness overall in the E.U. As I say the deficit has come right down it was just this week that the official figure of one percent of G.D.P. For last year's deficit was published it's actually 3 percent because there was a capital injection a rescue of a state bank that was in some trouble but the Commission in Brussels seems to think that that's not such a big deal and in any case 3 percent is within the Euro Zone rules so certainly as you say Portugal's government can feel perhaps a little pleased with itself but certainly most economists would say that it's remains a small vulnerable economy very much affected by what goes on outside it you know if Spain has flu then Portugal catches a cold in the same is true of Germany for example which is another of its major markets so it does have to be quite careful but as I say there is a bit of the feeling that it may be able to start spending soon and certainly before the next general election in a couple of years. Well a strange story about a policeman and 3 people who were detained for some offense or some alleged offense What is different about the way that they were treated in the police station Yes this is a very bizarre story police in fact have been in the news because they're among the groups who are protesting about their pay and conditions but in this case it was a very off be very different story a video has emerged that was originally posted on social media but has somehow been got hold of by newspaper based in Porto in the northern city of a port-O. And the video that shows an officer who said to be in the city of a Port au giving a biblical sermon to 3 detainees in a police station in the video the officer asks the 2 men and one woman detained in the police station whether they have faith and then asked them to confess their sins in order to attain salvation at one point in the video which lasts for some 4 minutes he asks them to join hands and form a human chain of life. Oh yeah. Now local police commanders are said to be examining the video to see whether disciplinary proceedings are in order but it certainly attracted quite a lot of attention as you can imagine. You're not supposed to do this kind of thing and police stations are you well Portugal like France and a number of other continental countries has a very strict constitutional separation between religion and the state it's an officially secular state and public officials officials are certainly not supposed to go around preaching as part of their jobs and certainly not to people who are detained and unable to get away from the sermon so I think commanders will be looking at this and certainly will think that this office and may need a talking to what they will actually do in terms of disciplinary action is really uncertain I don't think we've ever had a case quite like this before and I don't remember hearing of one in any other country either under this have any impact on the earthly fate of the prisoners. Well that's what we don't know yet I mean you know the people who have published the video have been careful not to identify the prisoners involved the detainees involved certainly in the way that the the office that was speaking he seemed to think that this was going to help them out he as I say he asked them to confess their sins and to join hands and together to to follow him into the loiters he put it so he certainly hope that they would benefit from it. In Robert's Englishman. Chance the Rapper has led a Twitter backlash against the Heineken Light Beer what she described as terribly racist shows a bartender sliding a beer plus Past 3 people of color before it stops near the hand of a lighter skinned woman the tag line is sometimes lighter is better the film has pulled the ad or the film has pulled the ad as had a missed the mark but chance suggests that some companies are putting out noticeably racist ads on purpose to get more views I asked Rania Robinson C.E.O. Of the creative agency quiet storm if that was her reading we've seen a few examples of this recently with the recent campaign and also. I think the does the Dove campaign as the woman who's washing ourself and their skin is lighter I guess yeah I mean that's also the that was Lee and I that was clearly a difference can type and what I had was the transition from a black woman to a I think it might have been a sort of light skinned Asian woman and but so it was I mean you can totally see what they were trying to do with that it was just demonstrates and it was for all skin types but it was just very very close to historical tossing in the past that was true at the time completely inappropriate and I'm going back to all that stuff about marketing here straighteners for for you know African American women or you know yeah but there's a lot of it was yeah and I think even I mean even. In the day when they had. You know black people being kind of washed whites basically which is what I think that what they would look through sensitive he was with the campaign was because it was reminiscent of those types of ads but I mean it was clearly a mistake it was. Unintentional it was just almost $600.00 just demonstrate the fact that the product was aimed. Women with lots of different skin types I think the problem is there's a lack of diversity in the teams which means that those sensitivities that might be picked up by somebody who has a kind of understanding of those historical sensitivities would be kind of more aware of how that might come across. And groups of people on it and yeah I think what's happening is things are being turned around to change quickly without the benefit of teams that have that natural kind of understanding because of the diversity within within those businesses and I think that seems to be happening across the board at the moment well this is our proprietor men any creative industry isn't that you're previously a creative endeavor took a lot of people and the reason to go out people was to make sure that you don't hit all the i's and cross the Ts knowing in any business or others journalism or advertising very many fewer people are actually involved in the final product yet and there's no time things are being turned around so quickly now that you diligent that interrogation that used to happen just the just the time frame is not there because all of that the issues are within social we do you know in every case but I'm on the Heineken but that wasn't the case it was it looked to me to be like a brand campaign so actually those those companies did go through more recently in a funny sort of more time but whatever it is we can communication point you no one has the time that they used to have but again I think that can give what if you've got people within your group within the business that can pick up on these things you should say Well it's also this that this ad was was marketed it was used in 3 countries in the United States New Zealand Australia Yeah so you're users people have to get in on those 2 don't they I mean the Heineken people themselves would have had to have seen the ad and approved it yeah absolutely I mean not one for me was a real shocker to Bill because you can see it was I don't believe for me it was a. Tensional is a complete side but again it's me it goes back to the people there are making these decisions the people there are a pretty thing these are clearly not coming from backgrounds or a kind of. Collective where where somebody would have picked up on it instinctively and that's a problem that's where it's falling down I think because this people just can't relate to how that might come across to so let me just go back to the nature of the ad for for a minute because Can can you just explain the thought process say you're a young 20 something and you're the only agency and you want to make something edgy and when you're feeling very poor smart or not maybe you think well everybody's accepted that you know we're. We're we're except people with every every skin color and they're going to make jokes we could make before what's happening in the side can you just talk us through it and he said where does the offense actually come I'm not sure or actually it was intentionally upon around lighter skin I actually don't think that was a case of talk I think what it was was people thinking we want to so. We want to show people you know from different ethnic groups and different backgrounds and they just haven't thought through the ordering of the film I think that I think is the simplest and I don't think it was an intentional. Or an intentional play on words or anything like that I don't actually think people realize what they did I think they just thought let's put people in and just the option of same thing with the dolls are that if they started with the white woman and then ended on a woman of color there wouldn't have been the uproar it was because of the order in which they did it I think that it looked negatively I don't think for me it was just the way the ad was constructed I don't think it was an intentional play on lighter fare Riskin it's just it's just terrible kind of coincidence really. As Ronnie Robinson who is C.E.O. Of The Creative Age Sequoia storm and it's half past 4. Digits a lot more on smartphones and tablets this is B.B.C. 5 Live The news comes from Charlotte. The government is planning to bring in a deposit scheme on drinks bottles and cans in England it's intended to cut waste and boost recycling find she's apologized for their response to the suicide bombing at the monster Arena last year an independent report found 55 his were kept away from the scene for 2 I was because of poor communication between the emergency services. 7 mission diplomats are being expelled from NATO is up to 26 countries and boys back to Moscow following the son's brain invasion to tank and it's claimed millions of British children are being put at risk because they're not being safely secured in a car by law they should be in a constant to let 12 the charity break once ministers to do more to make parents the one that's the 5 Live nice James Grant has the support the chief executive of Cricket Australia James Sutherland has confirmed Captain Steve Smith vice captain David Warner and Cameron Bancroft it's all fake significant sanctions following that part of the ball tampering scandal all 3 will leave the tour of South Africa today with sanctions announced within the next $24.00 I was civil and also insisted to the gathered media in Johannesburg that was the only after mention trio that a prior knowledge of events and that coach Darren Lehmann was not aware of the plans A.B.C. And Test Match Special compensates JIM MAXWELL thinks that the things don't look too good for the vice captain especially Warne is the one that really should wear most of these and they'll be very surprised that this is a bad one and there that he plays for Australia again because he's clearly ostracize been ostracized by the rest of the players you could even see that in the body language on the plane before they go on and so I think he's pretty close to persona non-grata from here on Tim Payne is being appointed Test captain while Matt Renshaw Glen Maxwell and Joe Burns of all being called up as a replacement so the one set at the end of his press conference that it is not a good day for Australian cricket away from that ball tampering scandal to Wembley where England were denied a 2nd successive friendly victory by a light its early penalty the B.B.C. Football correspondent John Murray was watching at Wembley England were provided with more of a test by Italy than they were by the Netherlands on Friday yet it seemed they were going to record another one nil victory courtesy of a rifling goal by Jamie 40 in the 1st half following a quickly taken free kick up till then it's only had been the better team but the goal settled England my. All positives followed with Raheem Sterling to the fore until the late intervention of a are dead beaten James talk was penalized by video for stepping on key in the box and Lorenzo in Sinjar swept away the penalty which denied England the win Meanwhile in Budapest this evening Matt Phillips scored his 1st international goal as Scotland earned their 1st win of Alex McLeish his 2nd spell in charge against Hungary the one victory followed Friday's lackluster home defeat by Costa Rica Hamdam park elsewhere Germany lost for the 1st time in 23 matches as Manchester City forward scored the only goal to give Brazil the win in Berlin this was the 1st full meeting between the 2 nations since Germany humiliated Brazil 7 warm in the 2014 World Cup semifinal in Belo Horizonte and city Joshua is refusing to look beyond his world heavyweight title unification fight with Joseph Parker on Saturday 3 belts are on the line in Cardiff and there's already been talk of a future unification fight with a certain undefeated American don't say what doesn't dictate my career Rob does he's got me in this position from when I joined the Olympic team so I just expect big news every time we fight so I just don't let anyone dictate why should be doing what we've been known as been working on and you have to trust in our process and Rafa Nadal could return from a hip injury next week after being named in Spain's Davis Cup squad he's not played competitively since pulling out a real strain Open quarter final in January this is B.B.C. 5 Live on digital online the smartphone and tablet Good morning colder feel to the weather in the head compared with what we had yesterday temperatures topped out at 16 London colder for all but 4 noticeably where you had temperatures that high a low pressure dominant for in a little while so we are going to see some outbreaks of rain particularly South Wales across southern England from the more patchy and cherry from North Wales the Midlands into East Anglia but cold enough to see a bit of sleet and snow especially through the hills and out of this but most places will get rain as we go on through the day things will gradually improve. From the West to start see some sunshine replacing the cloudy and wet weather across northern England the east Michelle's Round Table be some sunny spells to particularly in northwest England this afternoon shock will be wintry especially on the hills of Northern Ireland across the western side of Scotland through northern Scotland to some sunny spells still be a scattering of showers around wintry favorites of some of these particularly on higher ground for the Northern also to be rather cloudy with outbreaks of rain throughout the day for eastern Scotland for the driest of the weather here yes there may be the odd show around but bearable cloud sunny spells and many places will be dry for now thought about the colder feel to the weather in the day had a single figure temperatures now across the U.K. Around $5.00 to $8.00 Celsius the west northwesterly winds but. That is going to feel very different compared with what we had on Tuesday where you saw temperatures a size 16 degrees and on the clearing skies as we go into tonight Wednesday night we could see widespread frost it will be a chilly start to Thursday morning and then on Thursday we have another area of low pressure coming in from the southwest that's gradually going to prosper push some heavy showers into parts of England Wales and Northern Ireland a Chance in northern Scotland on Thursday seeing some rain sleet and snow 5 weather . Is only. Person leaves the European Union and we are travelling across the U.K. To find out if Britain is ready for brakes it what happens globally affects is locally we just pull up the drawbridge breaks it means phrases so I just wanted to meet you with special reports from Liverpool Swanzy Edinburgh and Belfast will be discussing how different industries are preparing and asking people from around the country how does seem like with just one year to go absolutely you can leave sees the facts about braces we don't know what difference will make we don't measure the facts on the bricks it's one year to go so say on B.B.C. 5 life size leave East Asia if you search for flight Flight click. Listen on digital radio. Well a big drama of the last few hours is that China has confirmed what many suspected from Monday that North Korea's leader Kim Jong Hoon did make a visit to Beijing and did meet President Xi Jinping it's Mr Kim's 1st foreign trip abroad 1st foreign trip anyway Steve McCraw is in Hong Kong Hello Steve how are you going. So tell us about the excitement among the detective community and how they worked out that this could indeed be Mr Kim visiting Beijing the Fortune one actually said it was you know it's been a very bizarre couple of days in terms of reporting on China it actually all started to unfold when would you believe it Chinese trainspotters noticed up in the north east of the country. That various services would been delayed to make way for this special train that this train did look like the train which had brought former North Korean leaders to into the country to come down to Beijing to visit and so the speculation of course was could this be Kim Jong un. The North Korean leader who's never left his country since coming to power. And this was even further fueled by the sight of a mysterious. Like we heard Steve there minutes ago it sounds as if we've lost lost the line to Steve my pal. I'm so sorry I beg your pardon and Stephen such a lovely storyteller too anyway telling us about this lovely long green train which was spotted and which indeed gave rise to all of the speculation but I doubt we've lost him so we'll we'll continue if we do get him back you'll be the 1st to know let's pray that way. The musician Prince had what is described as an exceedingly high amount of fence no in his system at the time of his death no almost 2 years ago that was the finding of a toxicology report published by The Associated Press on Monday according to the medical examiner 57 year old prince died of an accidental overdose and fence know when it's used in medicine as a thin Thetic opioid used to help patients manage severe pain it's 50 times more powerful than heroin Dr Louis Nelson is chair of a messy medicine at Rutgers medical school in New Jersey Dr Nelson for us thoughts there are 2 findings that I think a fairly interesting the blood toxicology results for the sentinel level is showed that he had very high levels really incompatible with therapeutic use you know most people who used Fenton ill in the cash form which is the typical way that people use it as an outpatient have blood levels in the 45 range at the high end sometimes I go up a little bit higher for people on high doses for long periods of time you might see levels of 7 or 8 in folks who overdose and die often you'll see levels in the twenty's or thirty's his blood level was $67.00 which is clearly much higher than he to expect with therapeutic use in anybody him even somebody with severe longstanding chronic pain who was on sentinel patch and I don't think we had any reason to believe he was on sentinel patches and I obviously don't have any personal knowledge of him or the case I've just now gotten that information to the literature you know the media and then and the reports I've seen but the level was really incompatible with simple therapeutic use the other finding that was very interesting was his yes trick content Sentinel concentrations although we don't. I don't really know how to interpret those specific Lee the levels were clearly very high I mean is 14000 is a level consistent with congestion not a width secretion from circulating sentiment in the blood into the sonic So it really is consistent primarily ingesting the 2nd which is I think what we believed to be the story associated with his fate Tallaght Well let's break that a little bit so he got 10 times as much fans know and his body as somebody who would have a a pot song for pay and it was often said of Prince you know that he had pain from his hips and you know all of the things that he did on stage for so many years but this doesn't really give him that comfort does it I mean people who would like to imagine that he somehow just overdosed on on a painkiller just taking it for the pain and this is a wash well he has he might have I mean I don't think we are able to say is it he didn't take the Sentinel therapeutically you know you could pieces together in several different ways and I would be secular leading I don't think he had fentanyl patches on his body so he took Sentinel therapeutically it's really at least in the U.S. And presumably in much of the world it's available either transdermal Ian patch for or to develop on a spray form then you can you know spray in your mouth under your tongue but we don't think he had that I mean that to my to my understanding he wasn't on any therapeutic don't offend you know now what I do understand he was using was oral pills right oral opioid pills which could be hydrocodone oxycodone those are the ones we typically use in United States we have a lot of counterfeit versions of those pills and because Sentinel is so abundant and inexpensive many of those counterfeit pills are laced or they collude Sentinel . And them and it's done in a way that you would not know that you were taking sentinel you think you were taking a standard opioid tilt in you know any chain might use coding in this situation but if you do magic buying illicit coding tablets you don't really know what's in them you're assuming they are created in a pharmaceutical house but they've ever well could be created by somebody somewhere else and masquerade as coding or any other opioid and I think that's probably what was going on because nobody really uses Sentinel as an oral there are a few occasions anywhere in the world so that really leaves the door wide open for accidental overdose and in other words as you say taking a contaminated opioid correct I mean more than likely that story obviously again I'm not a medical examiner I know I don't know all the circumstantial details but it's a very consistent knowing what we know about adulterated pills on the street and knowing again from what I have read that he wasn't taking Sentinel therapeutically the finding of a large amount of sense of the stomach in a very high level of sentinel of his blood is consistent with buying or we're getting and adulterated regular opioid tablet that you take there punitively not know anything taint Sentinel and then of course taking the drugs so potent and overdosing this goes then in a very different direction from the deaths of heroin addicts who take a heroin that has been laced with Fenton a lot again they've they've bought it from their connections without necessarily knowing that this very dangerous drug was was intermixed with the heroin and then Jack to that but this is the very different signing situation well no I don't think so I think the difference is he bought this drug thinking it was and you know I you should understand I don't. There but my assumption is he bought his drugs thinking it was a pain medicine and it was adulterated with Sentinel people who buy heroin on the street think they're buying heroin in many cases and is still treated with fentanyl or some denial analog that people can go from street to by Sentinel but the majority of the cases that we've seen in our little micro epidemics across the country in the United States have been due to adulterated heroin taking people people think they're buying heroin but they're buying a product that may contain It also contains Fenton of all one of its derivatives so it's some level they're very similar the difference be one is an intent to treat pain the other is an intent to abuse as such or any way of testing for the presence of fence No I think if you buy a drug and you know you buy something that may be counterfeit to May not be the the real thing. In a practical way currently not really there are of course tests for every chemical and if you have the analytic capability you can find Sentinel very easily in a product but you know the way that drugs are used on the street of course or even a home like in his case doesn't really leave the door open to doing an analysis before you use the drug there are these experimental test strips that are being looked at as a harm reduction mechanism for opioid users to test a drug before they use it we've seen this ad clubs with people testing their amphetamines before they go into a club make sure they're using M.D.M.A. For example ecstasy and they're not getting a different amphetamine The problem with all of these sort of bedside tests are these street tests is that there are not highly accurate and the results may not reflect what you think that you're seeing So for example if this was contaminated or an adulterated pill and he tested it and it showed that it contained no fentanyl in my still not of contained oxy kowtowing or hydrocodone or a coating and it might have contained a fentanyl analogue that doesn't cross react with this test strip or the testing mechanism because these tests are specific for the drugs you're looking for in general they might cross react with drugs that are similar but not exact not identical to the drug you're looking for there's a lot of questions here about this method of harm reduction it's good for finding specifically what you're looking for but it might not find things that a similar but not identical to what you're looking for. Reportedly the day before he died some of his friends had called a California doctor who specializes in opiate addiction and they said they were dealing with a grave medical emergency is it likely that you could take this pill and then become ill over a period in other words that it's not instant that. That would be probably unlikely in the mechanism that you're suggesting So now there is if I take a pill now I get sick 6 hours from now or I slowly get sick over the next 12 hours that's not the way this drug would work not at least when it's taken orally in the formulation that it appears that he probably would have taken what does happen and something to be cognizant of that out is that there's a lot of variability in the pills and these are not made by pharmaceutical houses these are made by people in their basement so one pill might have X. Amount of Sentinel and the next pill might have 10 X. Amount of sentinel. So without really knowing what you're taking it's very possible that you take a pill makes you a little bit sick but it doesn't kill you the next tell you take has 10 times the amount and does kill you but it's very unlikely that you would sort of saliva into death more than likely you'd she did pretty quickly quickly in this case probably means 30 to 60 Minutes it's not instantly as if it were given I.V. Right given intravenously Cental will kill you within moments meaning minutes given orally the numbers probably more prolonged in the 3 minute range because you have to absorb it as opposed to being is given I.V. It's instantaneously absorbed. Doubtless Nelson chair of America medicine at Rutgers medical school with some chilling thoughts about to the final hours of PRINCE Well 3 of the SHOW US greatest cricketers are heading home after being told that they face significant sanctions for ball tampering they don't know what those significant sanctions are get the now former captain Steve Smith former Vice Captain David Warner and Farmer opening batsman Cameron backdraft are expected to hear their fates in full by the end of Whedon's state but cricket a serious chief executive James Sutherland says that the head coach Darren Lehmann wasn't involved and will remain in this post on the half and create a strike that I want to apologize to all the Streisand's particularly to all the kids who love cricket and on laws the flyers I want to also apologize to the Cricket South Africa and South African fans but this is. What other was should have been a wonderful series The key finding is that prior knowledge of the ball tampering incident was limited to 3 plants Captain Steve Smith boss Captain David Warner and Cameron Bancroft no other pliers or support staff had prior knowledge and this includes Derren Lehmann who despite you know accurate media reports has not resigned from his position he will continue to cage the astroid in mainstream under his current contract the players involved will leave South Africa tomorrow and I want to stress that we are contemplating significant sanctions in each case once the investigation has concluded in the next 24 hours sanctions will be announced and will go through the Create a strike a code of conduct process the sanctions will reflect the gravity with which we view what has occurred and the damage it is done to the standing of a struggling cricket. I fully understand the appetite for urgency from one to tell However the agency must be balanced with the process given the serious implications for all involved and that was James Sutherland of cricket a search area but you'll notice he stopped short of using the words employed by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull disgraceful cheating as the prime minister called it but you never heard that from a some of them than maybe there's a question about why not let's join professor and director of sports law Melbourne Law School Jack Anderson who is also a member of the Court of Arbitration for Sport Hello Professor Anderson hello. Very good well let's get let's get to that question is would he be accused of prejudging the situation had he used the word cheating. Yeah I mean personally I think what happened and I think humor swayed a stranger in public opinion thinks what happened was cheating but we're not the chief executive of Cricket Australia and essentially he is the Ultimate line manager for these players they are centrally contracted to Cricket Australia so he has a separate disciplinary process owner that is a plenary process they will be cherished with bringing the sport into disrepute an example of which is cheating by way of manipulating the ball so you know in a roundabout way he could have said all of that well I've just said but he can a theater director because he may be accused of prejudice just saying the disciplinary process and also the lengthy sanctions that are likely to follow so he's been cautious on that it could be a year if you like a quick headline point to say that cheating at occurred but he doesn't want to protest the long term consequences for the players. Terms of. Africa. They didn't come by and have to wait for some kind of board to be called to be for them to be brought before Cricket Australia or for the disciplinary process to get there yet they have a process so the critter straight is sent over their integrity officer to conduct the investigation he has will make recommendations based on their code of conduct and then they have a separate disciplinary process which involves a in the band at them commissioner I suppose the 1st thing to say though is the initial reaction astray is that there's only 3 flares involved and not a coach for example so you know there's a little bit of suspicion generally in Australia about this but we have to take that as face value the interesting question will be though what are the length of sanctions that these players will face because the International Cricket Council banned Steve Smith the captain for one match only and Bancroft who was the other key player involved got the American points he didn't even get a match ban So how in a proportionate sense will Cricket Australia deal with this if they think it's bringing the sport into disrepute so they think they're going to be the interesting questions in terms of actions and presumably all the players will have the right to representation of the have lawyers. Saluki I mean what what is also going on here is remember with the players this is you know reputational financial and commercial concerns for them already we have heard that sponsors are moving away from these individual players I mean and these sponsorships are worth millions of dollars for these players also these players contracts are up for renewal in the middle of this year so they're very career is on the line here so yes that is exactly why a team sell and was cautious earlier in mentioned due process and increasingly now you will see this and understandably so get morally listing. Can it go wider than this if I mean if Cricket Australia is deemed by the International Cricket Council more done and not going to be taken any further. No I mean if. The actual I nearly turned that around in the sense that the International Cricket Council its measures were not that punitive I mean Steve Smith only got a one match ban So in other hands it's something for the International Cricket Council to think of really and I think they've admitted that themselves but from an Australian point of view it's interesting that they sent out to investigate voter integrity officer and their high performance manager in other words they want to investigate the culture and ethos of the team this when it all costs mentality why is it when the pressure came on and this Test series that those players in question felt that the only way out of this was to cheat that doesn't reflect well on the senior men's team and Cricket Australia. Well but does that really does that come under the rubric of this particular inquiry couldn't a lawyer seek to limit it and make it much more specific. Although it will be very specific for the actual 3 players in question it will be illegal istic sense very very specific but I think in a wider sense for Australian Cricket Australia score more generally that is the big issue the ethos of the team at all costs mentality and almost a kind of them why is it that the 2 senior players the senior and the captain and the vice captain seem to get involved in this you know kind of almost conspiracy to cheat you know what one is ethos going on there so that that that would be a wider issue but yes very definitely on the specific charges this is going to be very specific and Eric is under the Code of Conduct and can the coach avoid being brought into this. And whether conducted the investigation now and they have said very clearly that he had no knowledge I suppose implicit in that and this is the court of public opinion if you like well why didn't he know what was going on with his team either he was he was a ignorant or be incompetent you know that's what that's the talk in Australia so it doesn't really reflect very well on him but in the strict terms of the cheating allegations Cricket Australia has made it very clear that he had no prior knowledge so Jacka him anything in the sun rises hair and on this morning of this trail you're at 5 minutes to 7.