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Departments The Scottish government is urging people not to go to hospital unless it's a real emergency homeless man who was hailed a hero in the aftermath of the Manchester Reno bombing has admitted stealing a parse more bile form from victims Chris Parker feel to turn up at court yesterday and was eventually found hiding in the loft of a house in Halifax that he Savage reports 33 year old Parker received huge praise after claiming to have helped comfort injured and dying victims moments after a suicide bomber detonated a homemade device but c.c.t.v. Footage told a different story it showed him wandering between people who were bleeding on the floor he repeatedly returns appalling Healy his granddaughter lay dying nearby before leaning over her body and taking her handbag within hours he was using her bank card at a local McDonald's Parker pleaded guilty at Manchester Crown Court to 2 counts of theft and one of fraud his barrister said Parker was sorry for his appalling behavior as security guards being hospitalized after he was attacked with a machete and robbed as he loaded a bank cash machine in Glasgow please see 2 men targeted the 6 year old man at the Santander Branch said the forward shopping center in east of the city last night $20000.00 pounds was stolen in the Read the detectives are describing the attack as violent and premeditated they had of Iran's Revolutionary Guard says the anti government's on rest of the past 6 days is now at an end that Alys have rocked many cities but Major General alledge of Fatty said many of those responsible have been arrested and would be dealt with severely at least 21 people have died in demonstrations since last Thursday. 6 people have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism offenses including membership of the band far right group National Action the 5 men and one woman were detained during raids in Cambridge Bambery over Hampton Stockport and Leicester this morning. And the mode of music consumed in Britain rules that is fastest rate for nearly 20 years and 2017 the figure is up by 9.5 percent according to the trade body to be. The next the Hagans once illegal Regent Street records we're not back to the heady heights of the eighty's and ninety's but we certainly are seeing a lot of improvement this is the fastest rate of growth it's millennium we have a thing growth rate this is $9098.00 so streaming really does seem to be helping us turn a corner but at the same time the physical market is still strong buying or sales are up 26 percent from last year that she latest news no the sport was John Barnes Rangers have completed the signing of the Queens Park Rangers midfielder Shaun Goss on loan into the end of the season the 22 year old German born player moved to creepy are from Manchester United are year ago but has made only 6 appearances for the Championship club the players' union in Scotland is calling for those responsible for throwing fake eyeballs onto the pitch during focus much with the family yesterday to be punished for Gov apologized to Dean shoes because of the action of the supporters Shushan and I removed in 2006 a new bird from Barcelona for flu reports Philip continue as imminent according to reports in Spain or Liverpool yet to receive a new offer for the midfielder rejected 3 approaches in a transfer request from Brazilian before the start of the season and the Scotland flanker John Hardie has returned to training and will be available for selection from the 19th of January following a suspension Harley was banned for 3 months by Scottish rugby for gross misconduct over alleged cocaine use was a sport now the latest trouble years for Victoria on foot and in Aberdeenshire a piece of get used to be 97 for Bankrate effector kiruv has been reopened didn't deal in traffic 78991 West markets gates at the Westport trying to buy in 5 to be 9 for 2 in upper Largo is closed because of flooding in Edinburgh traffic saloon the a $720.00 city bypass at the sheriff's whole range of 8 that's because of an earlier accident which. Has now been cleared and if you see the problems on the roads our numbers the weight size and 90 to 95 to 8 p.c. Radio Scotland travel. And turning to the weather shares will slowly fade many becoming dry tonight still mist and fog will develop along with a touch of frost as temperatures dipped to minus 2 or minus 3 and parts of the Highlands and land Aberdeenshire and pasture that's b.b.c. Radio Scotland news a once a seasonal flu it's right here on b.b.c. Radio Scotland. Billy was a free sort of you didn't want to be captured there was something about him when he was kind of almost left his own devices the most genuine and thing you could see had never been hard at a thing like the heart it will resist blown away by how unusual it was can you put it into any kind of music industry depends on what side of the bed ago I had so I might like going on Top Of The Pops one day and the next 2 weeks after the I'll probably be you know just being human and Morse. And Brian Palmer I welcome to the weird wonderful world of the associates featuring the unique partnership of Bellamy Kensi and Alan drunken we actually met in Andhra in 76 and we started writing almost immediately. On the I'll have a shower and then for my brother up like possibly the oddest one to top 10 chart at but then again the associates were no ordinary Bob it was the coming together of 2 musical mof Rex coming up you hear tales of friendship and falling out success and failure excess and loss. For impact did he have on the Firstly he used a lot of musicians or local people it made people realise we are as good as a. No one else Galen to Sion music journalist and he promoted the city constantly I mean if you watch him on anything he talks about on the he was really the only one making music and coming back here people had made music before but they all go away dying to London and stay there but Billy didn't want to do that Billy always wanted to come home. I've always been fascinated about what happens when 2 people come together and decide they're going to form a band whether that's Morrissey and Marr or even more for a mole committal to to find out what happened and the associate's case my 1st stop was the West End of Glasgow to the musical workshop of finding a saucy Alan drunken Here's Alan talking about their early days in Edinburgh in the mid seventy's performing as the a sore back ones to pay the bills we had to play a cabaret set so we had a residence in a hotel so we were both steeped in all your books by her ex except her. And then we played my nose welfare club and we played pop stuff like it was a really good grounding cause we were learning like 10 you songs every week after food days and being and I never and Bill staying in the flat so I just said Fancy just sleeping on the blue a coach in me my girlfriend's flat he said. Yeah so we started racing right there and I'm. Happy July. Right you just start doing it because it's there he was very methodical you know a lot of people have this picture or an impression of bill was being scatty And yes he was sketchy but at the same time he had the steeliness at him and he would have food or some you know food of Luke's building play any instruments I set up a one string guitar for him so we could do a rhythmic thing and he could also pick up the old note here and there but mostly he just sang it and we would get into a groove and we would just feed off each other saying are we going the right direction here and I thought it went in the wrong direction it would kind of give me that. It was a lot of play acting actually. This is. From the west coast of Scotland Let's head to the east coast I meet one of the most influential believers and shakers from the Scottish independent music seek my name's Paul Hague I used to be a band called choice of k. I've been a solo artist for many many years and we're here in Edinburgh in a special café where I think j.k. Rowling used to write before she became a bit rich and I used to come here with Billie many many years ago we had a few sherries in this very establishment at the time we were just beginning a band in Edinburgh would have been round about 1079 Balcom lost the guitarist and just of k. Was at college and he met Alan Rankin there one day who said he had a band and they were playing an Edinburgh that night so we went along and saw this 06 for the 1st time you knew then straight away. It was something very significant the band and they were pretty special. Dissociates 1st single I know they should scout for these boys keep swinging it intrigued Allan Campbell a musical entrepreneur who spotted the raw talent and gave them a platform for the fresh show in 79 gigs a title place called the creator's club right next to us of all in Edinburgh and the associates who no one really knew would put out their own indie single a cheeky cover of boys keep swinging which boys publishers knew nothing about the songs with interesting I'll put them on maybe 50 people there I've never seen someone with an electric green suit he looked amazing for a 1st gig by about no one knows he looked like a star already as we know Bill and you know to dress as voice was incredible typical associates they went on far too early according to them they had to go and live in this lot because their drummer had to be back in the boys home. Well that too I know I don't know but as I would later learn that was very much to Billy and I when it could be a completely made up story and they did things the wrong way i.e. The right way for they just didn't do things the way every other bounded. Drunken reasons for recording. That was a we have trying to get noticed a we didn't ask permission but was a. When going to do no more for a start when Barry did when he recorded it he had everyone playing different instruments on it as well so we just mashed a bit further so some people saw what we needed it and we loved both but you know people were using it as ashtrays. From 1980 the title track of their debut album The affection a punch among the growing number of fans at that point was the former t.v. Presenter for the iconic music show the chub media agree it wasn't just the po-r. That could have bailed sing musical theatre could have resonance he had he had such new musicality to his voice to be freeze things some singers have just got that absolutely unique voice and his was one of those is lots of people on the x. Factor could probably sing the same way but not with the same elegance and that's what Mark tomorrow is really failed to also he would break all of in the middle of a song you know catching sight of a camera was doing was doing just good like cats and then he you know let us forget it was halfway through as quickly and then straight back into it again. There were a ship between Billy and Alan that was it incredibly. Inventive and creative when they had that initial spark it was quite incredible I think it's 2 separate talents like Alan very very good at the musicianship side of things and arrangements and Billy fantastically good melodies and crazy stuff so the 2 was a perfect match it just needed the 2 to spark with each other to to meet with the whole Paul hake find a member of Edinburgh Joseph Keith another of the city's cultural icons is Inspector Rebus So let's take a cab right across the city to meet creator Ian Rankin who in the late seventy's was a devotee of the associates in 79 I was distraught my 2nd year Edinburgh University but going back to card and then in 5 grew up quite a lot miners if not on strike there was going to you know mines were being shot here there and everywhere there was a lot of Kony unrest in the air and the music tended to reflect up punk was going by then and musicians were stretched themselves a wee bit into things like new wave and post-punk the Edinburgh scene was basically the scars and jewels of k. . Quite. Jangling Jag it sounds quite introspective and a lot can be very serious young people in long coats a stunning gigs watching the stuff and in the fall would come employment in the fall playing with Jools of cases support and it seemed like quite a bleak time even as a student on a fool grant which I was you know these were the glory days for students used to get paid to go to university. Joy Division I remember I was about to go on stage in my band to dance and pigs in code and be to do a gig and we had that had to commit suicide and it was a very bleak moment for all of us you know they become a big band or a big sound a big part of the tenor of the times the sense that everything was going to industrial Throbbing Gristle and it's real industrial sound what happened down in London as well that time very harsh very angular now the associates were different . It was Pope at the center you know Billy McKenzie We loved pope and he wanted to be popular although their music had those I knew were qualities to it you could sing along you could dance and when you saw him on Top Of The Pops you couldn't help but smile and specialist guy's voice lifted you up from Planet asked to somewhere else. From there must a piece solve the 1982 single law for. Some bands and some writing partnerships sometimes have been directed movie by producers crafting things sometimes a painting by numbers in order to be a little bit too much and i sed you in the 1st bash you leave this then you get the 2nd version of that and you get to the middle 8 you put that in and you're building it so we just all went hell for leather right from the start we had producers nightmare then yeah. So no one actually produced produced as we always co-produce you know publisher once called us multi-talented make a let me x. Be prolific writer actually but we just didn't want to let go we certainly weren't letting them do everything and we just sat back that just wasn't us. The associates didn't look like any of the bad that had come out of Scotland that dress sense and the visuals what daring as well barely an island one afraid to stand out from the crowd and add a splash of color to a black and white world there was a sense at that time that you know you had to wear a sort of Oxfam great coat you know some can a World War 2 leftovers that you bought from a shop and you had your black drainpipe jeans and often dying your hair black as well was going to charge it shop chic that was and but at the same time there was this move away from the can it Punk is Thetic towards something it was a bit more glam the pop charts start to get glamorous against and at the same time some of the bands were coming oh you know the Spandau Ballet type thing and you're and you're on tape saying that just post it punk but no more people will actually start to dress up in glamorous fashion and we are now I make up and we make up with an all want to look like Susie suit from Susan about and she's a lot of men will start to wear eyeliner again and taken a leaf from the fashion playbook as it was and not just looking like it should reject. This. It's easy to see and hear the influence of the associates on a new generation of bands like quite their points with fashion they would say let's wear this ridiculous I fit on top of the Pops or let's play the chocolate guitar I mean they just went there and they did it and I think that was a big influence on us as well is this this idea of just owning your sense of being the pop star you wanted to be like and you're just going to own and we decided that when we started we were like let's just wear. The sort of ridiculous clothes that we would wear if we were doing top of the park but let's wear them to the co-op you know and I think their sources for the inspiration for that because they just carry that with aplomb they're kind of otherworldly and like that it's not just flamboyance it's the sari alien flamboyance it's like just very strange band and it's not something that I've ever heard before from Scottish balances like when they do it they just do it they're not remotely embarrassed for a guy growing up in the ninety's that was like completely alien to me in Scottish music so I just completely got on board with Leo Conti from the band White having been writing songs but barely since 976 I wondered what was Alan Rankin's fresh taste of real success in 1981 we come off fiction records got over a contract with them so we done the affectionate Punj you know critical acclaim we got ourselves ensconced in a flat and said John's Wood got the publishing company fiction songs to pay for the rent for 6 months so we were Ok with no food or anything but we were Ok And so we used to go in every Sunday evening into a studio that we got for a 100 pounds and we do dead today 9 o'clock at night 9 o'clock on Monday morning that's how we got the singles and Tommy says on Friday and 2 quarters. And kitchen person bought one of these lights in one night we damaged party fuse 2 in club country the same night into the morning that are a few minutes over to get to the publisher who happen to have an office in the same building studio and we played it to and you could just see best face this is it it was very very rough not polished and chart Well the but everything else was exactly the same when that was played to Warner Brothers Beggars Banquet having Saints parents things door swings dollar signs so we sang with beggars blankets Warner Brothers and they just left us I want to take you back to that night and this is arguably the most productive evening in oh yeah the history of Scottish pop club country in part if you wish to record my same night talk us through that night what happened and it was just really easy it was all worked out the Motif the. Doodoo I mean that was written we back in 78 again that was on the piano in my parents so someone with go with each other you know so this could. We can't do this is 1988 we'll have to sit on it and then Bill wrestled with illiterates until he got what he wanted and then with club country again it's quite a strange vests full to his 2nd final folds and you very very strange but when you get to the course that's probably one of Bill's most straight ahead lyrics you know every breath you breathe belongs to someone there. It's not going to get any better than this right now. So it was in the back your mind that other people might not agree but this is just an you've. Average White Band in the mid seventy's. I was keen to fight know what a success meant to for conduct deep and what the city made to have. If. It's a beautiful cold autumn day and I'm on the train to done and I just been thinking about what by the McKenzie with a failed West Point you know after the modernise of the music business every time he went home to don the city that he called home and the family that a loft. Basically there be some kind of. Trick on car I that's me arrived and done today and I'm just about to meet John Lewis Gil on the show I. Am The Only One nice to meet during this fusion but that. She would go for a longer. Silky a winner with. The Unicorn the ship and then the where Billie famously back in 1984 recorded piece for the tube with Leslie Ash One of my favorite things to watch and he sings love bow on it I think it's him he's twinkly as best Billy loved the die. This is one of his favorite places so I thought it was pretty apt and it was a freezing cold date like today. But my favorite bet on the whole thing is rainy he said you know why I signed for Warner Brothers and she said no and he said because I love Bugs Bunny so it was my very favorite what the Done mean to him I think done the men everything believe really he felt safe here I think he felt love that he was ill of that because it surrounded by the country site and Billy loved the countryside so to get away in the city law hills or to come to the docks it was all very easy for him so he loved that sense of nature and the scape but he loved the people I think he loved the friendliness and openness of done and he loved it sensibilities the community have done the I remember coming home with him we'd been down at Newcastle and we came the train station were about to hail a cab and he just stood looking over the table and said Look at that look at that we're back in God's country and you could see him relax and the tension go belly always put on a variety of different acts but he are I think he could be more him self. The iconic Sanger Scott Walker was a huge influence on Butler McKenzie and then these music scene Ricky Ross might of wanted to be Bruce Springsteen Michael Madra Randy Newman but Bentley had Scott Walker running through his veins moving. To Cuba. Were swallowed in the stomach. I'm Brian. On it and you're listening to something about belly the story of the associates on b.b.c. Radio Scotland Stella in the city Our next stop was one of Belize favorite haunts and here scale Anderson to tell us where we are we are en back start park and on the which is in the stops Well area he was king of Stubbs Well really I mean yeah everyone here and he loved to come in the park near the center of tying beautiful green space built by the old monsters of Dun d. And he'd come here and he'd walk his with it see it all and just walk all around the park he just loved it you'd see him here on a regular basis. Rude. An incredible vocal performance from belly Mackenzie on break fast from the associates star of the album perhaps it was the fresh record without Alan drunken But let's go back to Allan and go right back to the start of the story in the fresh soul that the 2 of them worked on together it was called the twins of Jenna we wrote that we back in 1987 and I remember. Bill started singing I knew where he was I could hear where he was going and I could picture the chords and melody in my head and I knew where my hands were going to be on the guitar Strangely we never even damaged it we never even put on our rough tape recorder you know Street intercut set and we never recorded it. So I only recorded it maybe 6 years ago and I got Stephen Lindsay to do the vocals and I've been writing a few songs with him so what I did was just from memory played it Steve said this is how Bill intonated and enunciated it and Stephen de Bruijn children you know I can play the piano I can play a guitar but you know I don't have enough jazz in me to play the piano a way that so we could create a strong to. Move . Out of. Giving us a taste of the 1st Alan Ranken and belly McKenzie come possession twins of Gemini from Private archive featuring Steven Lindsay on full course Edlin the program we heard from associate Supraphon in Dr Ken let's hear how a different associate song influenced one of his bestselling books. So. And. I got the idea for a rebus novel unlike anything that got me was that often human beings treat their offspring almost worse than the animal world does we push them away with Mal treat them in a way that often you wouldn't find in the world of why would animals and then I was listening to the associates even dogs in a while when I went home going to Minot What's this one of a look to know the quite opaque I mean there is that sense that the somebody the child has been maltreated in some way or the something being going on and even dogs in the wild would be different from the week after the young bear and you saw this is perfect this is a theme in my book right here and I saw no way as with a Tie it was in my books The title is something from a song that reflects the theme of the book and I've used different musicians and different are as done the years but just even dogs in the wild it's a great title and a book called pened with 2 can hit men in the late seventy's early eighty's drivin a victim of to bother them to get rid of them and they're playing the associates in the car one of them doesn't like it so you jacks a tape and chucks it and a guy goes out with the associates near the guy goes well we can go to source it somewhere else since I got the song and got the idea the associates also got the organ of the book clicked off in a place. In the. Dissociates music might have been on the playlist of the coolest clubs but it was Top Of The Pops that took them into the nation's living rooms all the appearances were quite unique whether it's the 1st or the 2nd one for a party for years to. Going on with a fencing suit playing a banjo and then having your hair done like a Samurai or a sumo wrestler Sonny and tell me about the chocolate guitarist Well this was for eating carrot love affair and I said what about this I don't know whether this is possible but can we get a chocolate guitar it's like bordering on too sugary for the associates so let's just like take it to the max where the fans eat the guitar 2 days later it was done and how did to me that cost $210.00 pounds each and we had 2 of them kiss one melted under the Super Troopers. You know because there's like 10000 watts of stuff coming out a guitar that's expensive. I love the fact that 400 quid swath of chocolate guitar in the dressing room how much money do you think when 3 people always think we went through loads of money we did do some crazy things but they really weren't that crazy it was easy for you make in those 2 heads singles so why didn't you just plump for the easy life and thinking we could knock off another 6 or 7 of these. Is a bit of a last you effect once that's so there you've got to think Ok we need to move on but again the job being a musician part of you is saying we're going to have to play these I could see when Bill was rare saying he just wasn't enjoying it he just thought he was treading water he wasn't being creative he was just having to repeat himself so his mind had already moved on I was probably prosaic enough to see we have to do this we ought to ourselves and we ought to fans people want to see this they want to hear it there was he was already thinking ahead. This is the wig goals. The associates then a lot of the energetic 1st few years Alan Rankin remained in the Bond film i.t.t. Suit and what barely recorded 2 classic albums the affection a punch unsolved as well as a collection of rare material for drop belly continue to record as the associates and also collaborated with eyes like yellow but never enjoyed the commercial success of the ranking years. On the 22nd of January 1997 there was a chapter in the associate story but shocked the world I was devastated to not salute it is stated as fact didn't really believe it to begin with the on again pre internet days somebody picks up a fool entails you I mean it's ridiculous he died so young you really feel you could have been helped. We still have a. War. In the garden shed of his father's house Bella Mackenzie took his own life he was 39 years old I think it shocked everybody there was just this real sense of loss and real sadness real frustration that such a talent had gone the same certain way I felt about Amy Winehouse that kind of such potential such star qualities and not just because of his singing and I actually because of him as a pair soon that kind of you're not going to encounter too many people like that in your life you just couldn't believe you wouldn't see him again and I still feel that you could bump into Billy he was so much larger than life that he still feels here in so many ways and you wonder was Empat fame Haasan on for could maybe are troubled in some way or another and I guess that frustration thing can shoot our fragile pop stars be better looked after Yeah I do think there's a sense of that to be honest he never really got over his mother's death not even a year before his or I don't think I wouldn't really helped him cope with it it was just carry on get the music done and I think all just became too much for him and I do think that we need to treat our pop people were a bit of care and not treat them like they're just it's just the industry journalist on the 2nd no let's hear from you agree this is self destructive ness sometimes over real great artists is whale kroner cold believes a real example of when you're that age not talented It seems I suppose like fun but it all what a waste and I'm not saying you should have played the game or bought it. I just meant he didn't. Deserve to hear him and I think if he has continued hard to know whether Billy and Alan are to be able to do that required outside forces to push them musically toward something that says to them Neither of them are ever going to play that game then also be left it was quite self destructive which is tragic. The queued up with a song that Robert Smyth brought to his friend but Mackenzie Let's hear from another Dundonian that the Acclaimed Music John molest Mackenzie biographer Tom Doyle there was a massive rivalry between robot and belly but obviously the tragedy somebody is pos and just makes you realize well that's the go on you know a lot of people want to play x. To buy I think a lot people are jealous of them right because obviously on this and credible voice you know I mean Bono in the introduction to my book said you know what a great group we rep them off he said Billy was a great singer I tried to rip off you know he couldn't so I mean I think he had a great reputation amongst these peers but I think the envied his freedom his talents. And also I mean he brought some people up with the wrong way along the way and I because you know it was a game play I mean and he would do things just purely for amusement and stuff what do you think he would be doing Had he left absolutely what can as a cottage industry because that is the thing that he really wanted to be was autonomous and know the age of enter net Well he would have been on this for years by now because he picked up on this pretty quickly that if you can have a one to one relationship with your funds you can create music cheaply build a database and sell it to them directly and also that there's no record company in between you and them saying should do this we should do it up way obviously it was massive or he wanted it to be he was kind of like Prince in that sense of lore boredom threshold must have you know which isn't reflected a lot of time in his records because that a company student away so I think he would have been doing that I think he would approach oblivion Levon in a lot of house where a 1000000 weapon it's making music and sale and it's through the Internet maybe he would have had time to live performance but it was never his favorite saying I think really the music that he would have been making by now would have been more or more extreme. And I think you can hear touches of the associates and a lot of stuff that came after them and bits of Radiohead I can hear in bits of talk talk I can hear him bands are trying to stretch themselves and trying to stretch what can be done in a recording studio what can be done with a human voice the territory that the associates were moving into which was. Even had instrumental tracks so it wasn't just about Billy's voice almost like a soundtrack to a film that was playing in their heads and a lot of bands that came after them and whether it was. Really noisy apocalyptic music such as Morgan wise or Jesus and Mary Chain or whether it was something altogether more the feel and pop a fish like you get from something like balance a bastion of this Tracey's there's d.n.a. In all of those that you can take back to the associates and of course from the sources you keep going back. To. When you were with ballet you know I guess by then Scottish men didn't talk about depression or their mental health yet were you aware that something wasn't right for them as you know Bill and I got back together for a brief period in early 93 and then I went up to dun Di and we were 11 songs on the 1st weekend tonight after days constant It was like when I saw a young seaman for someone for a few weeks or something. And he just kind of slide back into again. But all the way through from 1980 or more it's a pretty good idea about the pain that he was going through and that was having to manage I could see through to psyche that he wasn't having a really good time of it. When the it when he took his own life surprised by. It was fragile in that sense he didn't like people being in the least bit to faced famous way write the history of his whippets because they just wear what they wear . Just the way he was you know I think you had a real hard time sometimes. Difficult times trying to cope with the music best stuff but how did you leave it was meant to be a split but for some reason I didn't see any point in saying well you can't use the associates' name because it just seemed pity I didn't think about what the record company was feeling that's the brand. I just didn't think that far ahead so of course they did that for an album maybe to recommend. Until Bill Ritter to Billy Mackenzie So in that sense I don't really felt that I left you know we just parted company I don't want to belittle what Warner Brothers had or Beggars Banquet because my guy had Gary Numan but they only had them with the backing up and the muscle of one of brothers and the cash I want to brothers we fell into the at so they gave us everything we wanted and we said to them we don't want to sign for America what about the deal he said Now take a 3rd off your advance and everything so suits us so we did until we had 3 hit singles and a hit album and then Seymour Steyn flew in dinner at Langan's Brasserie in being wondered you know he loved us and he was going to give us millions and Bill said. That anyone a dear. And you know Seymour talked on as queer as a you could make it up. The session had a huge impact on you and you future but what was your reaction then when he said. I was dumbfounded this is I can't take any mood because we've never had a cross word ever Up until then so it was a hard pill to swallow. Up a. Medial great relationship between Allen and belly Well clearly musically or gaps that brilliantly and if you think of that time say there are quite a few sort of Jewel male musical jewels figure and you would choose for fears the Pet Shop Boys So just to have a musical jewel that wasn't that unusual but it was Alan Rankin is gorgeous piano playing as well so suited Samy classical and the bilious think lent towards and the things he was singing really could have been a of the forty's song the really beautiful biology being narrative to them and they said strange surreal lyrics let's return to Alan Council the producer music journalist and musical entrepreneur. There who was there at the start of the associates life career and also at the end on what was going to be the last shows by the original associates with Alan it was 3 sell out shows the main ballroom at the Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh in right in the middle of the festival right to the point of which salt just been released I went up to the George to tell whether all staying in luxury the night before the 1st gig just as I went into the for you Billy was coming out he came steaming out of the Georgia tail are trying to keep up he's a big thick belt on a white shirt and I could tug boat captains cap on and say we're not doing it in the gigs and this was the night before 3 Sello gigs didn't matter that the whole band was sitting back at the tail it was the 1st day of the whole 2. Everything counted and you just walked away and didn't do it I was sued for 3 sell out gigs and I just opened a letter stepped on my door but they paid all the bills I don't know what they did but they did the right thing that's a treasure trove of associates adventures to be told but almost everyone I talked to for this program has one favorite story it's got the belly and the cab home when Warner Brothers or w. Decided to the time would come and spend a fortune and 1000000000 almost nothing has in our man a man called Maxwell We got him into the office and said the times come believe it's over no we've got to part ways and believe in you know k. I understand Mike's understand is already for get a taxi home Knox is fine it's the least we could do Billy took a taxi home from London to don the very Billy. Some for him deeply strange others thought they were utterly brilliant but in Scottish pop history there wasn't anyone else like the associates when I asked Allan Rankin by is Fred is the chief man it was party fierce too. I want to listen to I can't help but wonder what the 2 of them could have created had they got back together again but of course what a sad day by the Mackenzie will now from no. I think he just be doing much the same and I think he pickin chooses gages I think he'd be doing some amazing stuff with some amazing acts the only ones he wanted to I'm shooting but still ton done some of the biggest that some people sick. If you count your crazy when you turn in that time I just don't feel it I just I feel it you know annoying I think he probably by now you recognize more as such a major talent I think his voice would be recognized I think he would have written some amazing songs by night was. You know really heritage thing like part of your soup What is it we can you put in to any kind of needy shit what did I just listen to it's not really man Rhapsody thing which doesn't really belong anywhere neither did party for years to use it people were just blown away by how unusual it was there wasn't anything quite like them a definite mix of the 2 I think me the magic I think it really. Was It Good good. On Digital Media 1995 f.m. Each one will be dealing with b.b.c. Video stop. Good evening it's 5 o'clock am this is news Dr with the very Stuart tonight accident and emergency departments in Scotland missed their latest target waiting times doctors ask patients to think twice before attending. Before you do that I want to contact you through some form or you just want. 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