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Casti Matthews from call more eventually found help for her and baby Connor 135 miles away I eventually was able to get that after 3 and a half weeks apart from myself that this wasn't the space on the generals like that or there was no chance of me getting better or getting over what was going on and soon as we were on the other baby you know we're back together we were able to develop up on that we were able to be together which really helped and it just England says it's creating 4 new units and spending an extra $365000000.00 pounds on services 125 co-op stores in the east of England are going to start selling food that's past its best before date the firm says the shops will trial selling dried food and tin products for 10 pens to try to cut waste. 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Next year as it opens in the central London office it will be the fence biggest engineering Herb outside the us let's head back to Adelaide now and get up to get an update on the cricket with Ali and England had a torrid 1st hour here at the beginning of day 3 they have already lost the wickets of James Vince caught behind of Hazelwood for 2 and then Joe Root the captain caught at 3rd slip by Cameron Bancroft attempting to drive Pat Cummins he was out for 9 that was 50 for 3 hours to cook and David Milan have survived thus far they although Milan was given out by dark but good news is that in that actually want to d.r.s. Review for a change when they look to get at it it was clear that the ball was going high so Milan has survived he's on 9 cookies 136-7443 England in reply to Australia's 448 declared and comedy continues on Test Match Special on 5 Live Sports Extra and Radio 4 longwave has got the rest of the day sports news with Shabnam you know still Pep Guardiola says he'd be happy to be crowned the new king of 30 time after Manchester City snatched another late when they came back from a goal down to beat West Ham to one an equal the Premier League record of 13 successive wins but one must defend the Adam Smith says the referee at their one all draw at Southampton has admitted he should have given them a penalty instead of booking him for diving Smith will miss the next game to John Moss showed him. 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Our plan to support our own 5 club fund Dawson at a buy a covered up in this of the programme does bricks it have a lot so on so for the lack of action on social mobility since Mrs May came to power also Mrs May is off to Brussels again but would she be able to get movement on the back seat stalemate this time around she's there Ok in there this morning we'll keep you updated with the ledges from the ashes in Adelaide and hear about how smug stops play in Delhi and never mind running the world what about running South America I'll be talking to one half of the British couple who did just that the hard way lengthways from south to north america finish the day well how long do you reckon that took and how painful. The government has defended its record on improving opportunities for the poorest in society after all 4 members of the social mobility commission resigned the Board Chairman Alan Milburn complained the focus on Briggs it meant a reason may had failed to translate her belief in social justice in some meaningful action Downing Street said the former Labor cabinet minister at the already been sold he'd be replaced Well I suppose at Qana Ryan who is the director of research at the sats and trust which would stream through social mobility through education and asked for his reaction to these resignations we felt that it's a sad indictment really of a state of politics and in this country that Alan Milburn not just colleagues felt that social mobility was no longer the proper priority that the prime minister had made what should matter for a statement in Downing Street we'd like to see social mobility very much Doc at the top of the political agenda and we think it's important that we don't lose sight of it just because the government is clearly so focused on Praxis is it breaks it it's in the way of social media mobility then it's not the prime minister's personal desire. Well the prime minister has made it clear that she sees social mobility as a priority the education secretary very much sees it as a priority and a date where expecting to see a social mobility plan from government over the next month or so so I think the issue there is that there is a lack of parliamentary time because of practices and there is a lock there for a focus on the issue we think that there is a lot to be done from the early years right through to universities and apprenticeships and we have got some very clear ideas of what the government should do if it's to talk of. The problem is the social mobility in the u.k. Has effectively stalled along with the United States where one of the worst countries in the developed world for for the chances of catching on for the chances of being able to do better than your parents have dom and we think that the those sort of opportunities need to be available to for young people and indeed you know one of the reasons why the Bracks at vote was as high as if walls and Alan Milburn is Commission showed us last week is that in many areas of the country people just felt they didn't have those opportunities so the lack of social mobility was an important reason behind up Rex It will kill incident just a moment I promise just in terms of the resignations Was it a mistake then Fran in Millburn to resign and point the finger adds Driesum a rubbed it brings it. Well I think that Milburn obviously feels frustrated by what he sees as a lack of progress in government and it's understandable. That there have also been suggestions that the post is being advertised that they're trying to get new blood in so you know that I don't know the ins and outs of what went on in the discussions that went on there but I think what Alan Milburn housed on the social bench he saw and a difficulty started as a search for Bessie's are actually with Gordon Brown he was a continue to through the Coalition I'm for and for the Conservative government what he has done over all those years is really to. Make Social mobility an important part of the government's agenda and I think his concern now is that it's going down the pecking order and not agenda by resigning today I think he's drawn attention to that on the hope we would have as the Dutch would then reignite the passion not the promise to shout when she gave the 1st speech in Downing Street and of course that we see the social mobility plan which we understand that the government is working on of which the education secretary we hope will launch what she will definition of social mobility. Well social mobility is about being able to get all put it simply but to be able to do better than your parents so that you know you if you come from a disadvantaged background you're not stuck in that background and particularly if you're somebody who you know how's got ability has got potential that you're able to fulfill that potential and that maybe by going to be university it might be good to good universities if you know you're particularly able or maybe getting on to good apprenticeships and you know one of the things we found last week we did a report on this is that even in apprenticeships you're finding that disadvantaged young people are getting the less good apprenticeships of the better Apprenticeships are being taken by those who are middle class so it's about really having those opportunities that you're capable of of fulfilling. Which are quite often denied to you because of your background as you well know the government has defended his record on improving opportunities for the poorest in says he does it have a record to defend. Well the government has done some good things they introduction of the paper premium which is a dedicated fund for supporting disadvantaged young people in schools our sister charge of the education diamond foundation was given support by the government to provide evidence for fluff works and improving attainment for this it drops young people and the current secretary of state has been putting money into opportunity areas these are in parts of the country where there is no social mobility so the government is certainly doing some things but what we think we need to see now is we need to see something more systematic from from you know what happens in the early years for access to good schools programs for able youngsters in comprehensives improving access to universities and improving access to the best apprenticeships and all of those things together need to happen and I think what all of Melbourne is drawing attention to was that progress is not fast enough and we really need to have better progress there if we're going to avoid the social on the economic cost of course. If it wasn't for Braggs it did you think there would be more at Chinon says human ability would be being in a different place is a country in services as you move mobility. Well we would hope certainly that there would be room for more action I mean but one of they that the challenge as with with breakfast is that it has become inevitably all consuming because it is so complex so we would hope that there would be more action there and we're still hopeful doubt you know the government will come forward with a social mobility problem but of the things that we showed earlier this year from we had a conference around the whole social mobility issue was that if you would just to improve the level of social mobility in the u.k. To the average of Western Europe it would be the equivalent of an increase in g.d.p. Of around 2 percent so be about another $40000000000.00 in g.d.p. And as a time when we have got such economic concerns because social mobility makes economic sense as well as of course social sense of support for the individuals involved that you will accept the base it will be with us move for a generation the consequence is a premises that will be with us for some time we then exception conclude maybe that . Social mobility there will be no change there will be no upward movement in social mobility in this country for generational. Well we think there needs to pay Social better Breck such unity the vote from Bracks s. Was in many ways driven by a lack of opportunity and a lack of social mobility one of the things that I love Melbourne's Commission showed last week was thought many of the areas which had the lowest social mobility of the country were also those areas that had voted for Bracks it so I think one of the things the prime minister recognised in her early days at number 10 balls that this was an issue and that this was a driving force behind thought for which we've seen it as a driving force behind populist votes in the United States as well and I know obviously some of the support for Donald Trump there so it's important for our democracy that we get this right and actually if Britain is to make a success of the economy with Bracks s. It's going to be really important that we make the most of all of the tunnel to this country and that means that we can't afford to have poor social mobility would you like to see in the new. Well I think that's really a matter for a matter for now I get that or just one of those somebody that you would like to see not necessarily in the Alan Milburn role as these are but anybody on the inside see Lou who would make a difference. Well we think it's important that you bring people in who actually have some some experience some knowledge or 4 or 4 can help them on the ground I don't think we're going to get into names I think that's going to be a matter of history for the for the education secretary and a possibly the prime minister to the side but it's going to be really important to get people who you know are already in touch with what's happening on the ground and know what's going to make a practical difference because one of the one of the things I know I mean I've been a policymaker in government you know where you can make the most difference is if you're engaged with those who have to deliver the policy so having that element to it is going to be very important the Director of Research at the Sutton Trust as goback achieve the Adelaide Oval Oldroyd is not going very well for England is it and that might be an understatement Yeah well they had a terrible starts just in the last 2 wickets Sperry early on James Ince in the 2nd over of the day for chew and then Jo Reed Not long afterwards the 9 at court it's not of Pat Cummins that was 5053 they have recovered a little bit to 7653 and Alastair Cook and Devon Milan the man as in the middle at the moment in Clint World Cup when I went out watching along it is the kind of thing that we said in the south that they didn't way they need to score lots of runs stay there as long as possible not lose any wickets and then 2nd over the day there goes one and then there goes the captain Yeah and you know that the loss of Jamie is such a massive massive boost for Australia because these 2 girls can read how to bring a partnership in the day night test in Birmingham in the summer they scored over $200.00 together but I think it's the people's say that felt confident out there in the middle just in terms of the. Visibility of the border and so forth but I do think Australia both better they both have better areas that pitched up a bit more I think there is a stout The There is a high percentage of deliveries of people maybe even to me to follow. And they're hunting as a pack of stray he hopes they will be used all of the ball is a from New South Wales they know each other pretty well and any times that Smith gives the ball to someone he can feel confident they're going to be able to whether it's not a quick embed type Annette. What is promising them from England point of view Milan here sort of didn't play with too much of intent and positivity gets Nathan My husband has been looking to use to speak and what the angles Alastair Cook out there as well we know of his caliber of Test cricket he's got over 11000 runs while he's out in the middle England who feel slightly karma but it's about these 2 forming a big partnership in it and in their minds it's about putting long. Putting time batting along and then see where there are off to each hour of each session and that's all they can date out shots that Vince and root got out to how did you assess the quality of those shots Well I was in the I was in the commentary box full of all days and they were predicting James Beenz making $13.00 to the keeper the slip cordon because he does have a vulnerability outside the off stump but. His particular delivery was a rising delivery go into the back foot he was looking to punch it but just his technical ability to try and get on top of it was not there any part about. Both looking to play quite positive shots and play with intent I just. It was a good delivery to Bree and the fact that they drew him into the stroke in terms of the length of the boy it was just the extra pounds. Which led to his demise and coming straight through to. A catching field at but just just the timing of it all really I mean you just want them to bat for long periods of time and that's what was so good about a show Matias it in this was he put away some shots at different stages of play you know he looked to attack. Times as well when he felt a bit more confident and I just think it was a patient innings and I think that's what in with me today now just admit James Vince has lost 9 Tests Mishal dismissal somebody just tweeted this corset slipped behind causes that go to slip caught behind the cover run out a course and caught behind so he's really vulnerable to a nickel and I lost right here exposing that yeah absolutely I mean he's batting at number 3 he's been thrown into the mix for this particular tool it was always going to be a brave call and you know the fair play to him in the 1st Test he was able to step up and school the a.t.o. Didn't go into the 100 which would be frustrated with but Australia have had a chance of having a look at him now and they've completely worked him out so he's got to expect that that's going to be the plan to him throughout the course of the series now is how he adapts to that how he's able to get over it in the cold and that is the ashes where everything is magnified everyone's assessing your technique and picking it apart is exactly what happened to Tom Wesley has been has already been involved in being the team before this but it really is about being able to adapt quickly in a pressure situation and dive in Milan has has had a life he was given out l.b.w. On the field he would look at it shook his head and then put his finger up it and then they reviewed it and it was clearly going over you can almost see actually with the naked eye that it was it was very high but then I suppose you he's got. Take advantage of that and say Right Ok I've had one life I almost ran himself out as well a lot after that so he's out to lives so he's got to keep on the yeah I mean they will get good deliveries. England bowled good deliveries and meriting it's that sort of. Scenario in this test whereby you've got to pick ball it is doing a little bit of the same especially when it's new him even as well it's going to do a bit stark is looking to be aggressive now as most of your chatter about the land Yeah he's mixing it up of course that's the way he got out in the 1st innings looking to pull a ball. And just try to make him him play but the shot that was good he left it really well he watched it all the way and then just dip to shoulder at the last 2nd so really well played but this is going to be a counter-attack things and I have to face in each period is going to offer something different and that is Test cricket but yeah I mean you look at that delivery you shout not a lot of l.b.w. Use in this game because of the bounce of the pitch we saw yesterday a couple that gave in a lot of people felt that they were going on to the subs but actually when you look at the trajectory it does look like it's bouncing at the top so. It's just a case of trying to be positive as much as possible Isha thanks very much dating Len 79 for 3 Alastair Cook is still there going to say how England need him to keep on batting and batting and batting he is 36. And a half a man on. The other end and we have still got batting to come from an England point of view as. Jonny Bairstow as well but reliant on these 2 and I would cook 36 Milan 1479 for 3 England in reply to Australia's 448 clad in their 1st innings and you could listen to come over on Test Match Special 5 our sports extra and radio for a long way if I may just ask a quick question. You can answer as well which is that you know I don't know if you know the great godmother of Jamaican poetry. The late great Louise Bennett when she was frustrated with the English language as you said Look things get from good to bad but then you know what's worse than bad is worst and what's worse the worse she had to create her own the noun and it was what Sarah. And I we haven't we haven't quite gotten there just shared her. History my question. We're way off that we're away all right if you come in the next hour they lose another 3 weeks that we might invoke that was it was around here what is worse the world has less and less Yeah no no wait but we're trying to say positive as much as possible otherwise you're going to be a long tall man of the state the state. Itself I just feel I just. As soon as I was saying if these 2 stay together for Alastair Cook is out $84.00 he's out for $37.00 Nathan Lyon the spin is just come on and he just knew that it's rude to 1st slip Steve Smith he's taken it yeah he got a good talk about that Alice the cookie was I'm angling to. Stray into the hands of the Australian captain so huge Lee disappointing I'm not saying was so I just yet but England fall for 80 and Australia in the ascendancy that's a real blow for England Dawson 85 for me is coming and about now and well you know it's it's looking it's looking worrying it is looking worried it's not watering yet but it's looking worried I know but is it is that it that for England in this test the test that they were meant to do well and. It's well it's not over yet is why he has a series I mean it looks it doesn't look good with Australia 442 freight on the board and England 854. In that 1st innings I mean a straight it might get ahead of a big big least Yeah it's not over but at this stage now it's going to America having a win this in my opinion that again with Frank the miracle star said that's all we can say well thank you very much and thank you both of you thanks he said thanks also to Eddie Oldroyd will return with their legion the cause of the morning here on 5 Live as well and just one note on that was Right now I'm going to get in the neck from all of you for introducing a word into the language that should never have been there in the 1st place but I just suspect said the things we're getting from bad to worse and I just couldn't find the expression to say well they might even get worse the worse but thanks to Louise Bennett she created that word was Sarah and I looked it up it's a good old Jamaica word nowadays and so kin of cricket very different scene in Delhi trick as you know is known for its stoppages for rain or bad light but bad air is a new one and the 3rd Test between India and Sri Lanka taking place in Delhi has been disrupted by wait for it Smaug remember that our man in India is merely Krishnan. To talk us through this one really what exactly happened. What is one of the most bizarre Test matches in history which I've seen you know between being played out in India and Sri Lanka I was there at the video yesterday and never seen such a drama being played out you know the porcelain session yesterday 17 minutes so there was a stoppage time after post-launch when the visitors led by their skipper didn't want to leave the fields of play complaining of severe pollution all the Sri Lankan players to see very anti pollution marks during the porcelains session and which prompted the umpires and even the natural free David Boon to intervene and add that Sri Lankan said that he simply could not play a reason because of the aids and the pollution and many of them said they could not take the field almost everyone was wearing pollution months and that was where did I put he had was that was on the Supreme form of the Indian captain and in the midst of these chaos this 3 Duncan's realize that the good to govern other theatre because he was feeling very unwell and they were left only 10 metres available on the field as opposed to the more traditional mandated level so that was where it stood and we know that it is always been played by you know. Kind of weather at this particular point but never have you seen a situation where the umpires and the massive 3 could possibly intervene and stop late because of bad weather bad smallpox or pollution indeed and I want to see their loud play dishes and I'm not making light of the situation whatsoever because smoking can be deadly however was it really that bad from what you could tell. Well you say if there was according to the after after the match we found out that the air pollution levels of 15 times the World Health Organization limits and overstate confront the players but India. Indian border officials took the high ground saying blaming the silicon team for making such a big issue about it you know the acting president said if 20000 people were there at the stadium and the Indian captain but I could back to 2 days all along without remorse white what was the reason for the city that can still make a big shindig about this but that's not the point the point is you know that. It ought to start this should never have been said to the national like this you know apparently according to the at these 3 Duncan cork several of those who are going to players was the apparently want to be in the in the dressing room which obviously gave perceive this concern and that a doctor had to be called a 10 to their situation and but but the bizarre situation was obviously played out and find the black police that enough was enough and he decided to declare and made the Sri Lankans back so they have do have sort of face for the pollution but I think the truth of the telecare however is that web with both the silicon players in this country about Angela Matthews came out the back they were not seeing anything on their face and bitched which sort of caught was quite surprising because everyone was as if they were really complaining about the kind of pollution levels which Minogue that Dilys stuff is notorious for why they're not very much that's the bigger person or has a question that I can't answer but it's great having about this story Murli I'm very thankful for bringing it to us merely Krishna in their entirety where. Smaug stopped play in the 3rd Test between India and Sri Lanka Let's get the latest 5 Love headline says Liam Smedley. From the league football league anyone else this is b.b.c. 5 Live b.b.c. News understands Britain and the European Union are close to agreeing a deal that will clear the way for the next stage of breaks a negotiation trees maze visiting Brussels for lunch with the European Commission's president John called Young at the start an important week for the talks Democrats and Republicans have expressed concern about the latest series of tweets from President Trump he's criticized the f.b.i. Its former director and the investigation into rich interference in last year's election 125 co-op stores in the east of England are going to start selling food that's past its best before date the firm says the shops will trials selling dried foods and tin products to temp ends to try to cut waste. And these paper rounds and Saturday jobs are becoming a thing of the past for 13 to 16 year olds That's according to figures obtained by the b.b.c. The number of permits issued by councils to allow school children to work has fallen by more than a 5th of the last 5 years let's head back to Adelaide now and to l.a. For the play on the cricket. And it's looking pretty grim for England on this day they started it $29.00 for one that this afternoon and they have collapsed to $81.00 for 4 they've lost the wickets of James vents in the 2nd over of the day caught behind of Hazelwood for 2 then Joe Root the captain course at slip of the bowling attack Cummins for 9 hours to cook a few minutes ago of the spinner Nathan Lyon caught at slip by at the captain Steve Smith for 37 and there was quite a decent amount of hope that recovered at that point with David Milan at the other end as well but Milan is on 15000000 Allie has just come out and they're looking dangerous the us is at the moment Stark is bowling well and they're very it with Nathan line at the other end as well so England have a mountain to climb Australia 448 declared in their 1st innings England $81.00 for 4 common chickadees on 5 Live Sports Extra Radio 4 longwave with Test Match Special as sports news now which I've not Manchester City are 8 points clear at the top of the Premier League after fighting for that see one win over West Ham city were one nil down at half time but manager Pep Guardiola says he never doubted his side since it was told us to go have after 34 minutes we're going to score more than we'll. 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And used to points you arms Tiger Woods is completed for competitive rounds of golf for the 1st time in a year after cutting a 4 in the past $68.00 at the World Challenge events in the Bahamas he finished in a tie for 9th 10 shots behind the win at Rickie Fowler Saracens lost a 5th successive matches they were beaten 2019 aholic wins the winning try came in the final minutes the John Kingston side it was a rollercoaster of a game and right till the end we didn't know we were going to do it but the belief was getting greater and greater as the game wore on and in the end we just about deserved to win it I think because we stuck at it we had opportunities they are opportunities we knew if we were playing well we could take it to the wire and that's exactly what happened and the Olympic champion Katie Archibald has won her 2nd gold medal of the track cycling World Cup in Canada as she teamed up with Elena Dickenson to win the women's Madison this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital online smartphone and stopped at the morning last Saturday's forecast in Scotland where they'll be a lot of cloud across the north of the mainland and through the northern are sol today and there'll be some persistent rain especially through Shetland elsewhere like touchy turning point so we don't know showery with time through the day on the mainland it will be the western side that sees the early showers and that's a risk I would have thought for some of these Western powers for good part of the day out east there will be some sunshine start off but I'm not promising that anybody keeps it for the whole of the day other south eastern borders could see more of the way of sunshine and less in the way of cloud temperatures here and arrange about 8 to 10 percent up to that for the time of year for Northern Ireland some sort of fairly a lot of dry weather run for the greater part of the day the sunshine coming and going and there's just a chance of a shower prince 1st thing across the northern shores again the tops here not bad at 8 or 9 degrees night in England and Wales all the concern 1st thing is that there could be some folk touches. Primarily across parts of East Anglia the southeast maybe central southern England elsewhere but it shouldn't hang around for too long I think it's that southeastern quarter that they have the greatest problem a lot of dry weather around from the word go there will be enough cloud in the West for there to be a shower or a passing bit or right not amounting to very much saw and some areas will stay dry right throughout the day of how to be quite a bit of dry weather and quite a bit of low cloud at times though as a front just drags itself from west to east slowly through the day so again areas here not keeping their sunshine right throughout the day. Around 7 to 11 and not too much in the way of breeze so if you get a bit of sunshine and temperatures around 10 or 11 it won't feel. The slightest. The greatest rivalry in sports are to defeat in the 1st Test he went to look at that and I like his voice on the far right you pulls out some of the also because I was. Sure he knows it I wouldn't need to know this is his job so I want the law it's always good to go as well I'd like to tell you. This. Is true this is. The 2nd test in my life from Adelaide right now by phone by by for Extra. 5 long leave East as you know if you say it's for college costs listen on digital radio as I do reading a book it's called Running South America even. To the running South America with my husband so Catherine Lowry Welcome to the program thank you very much for having me so where did this mad eventually begin it Sheffield University Yeah that's. David and I met one another and we decided to go for the funnily enough so we headed off down through the valleys and off to the Peak District and. And then we end on our separate ways and then we met up again bout 5 years later and carried on running those of the theme going and then on our wedding day we ran again from where we got married for about 5 miles we ran through bridleways and Nova fields and hills and got see where all our guests were waiting in a field yeah roaming clearly is in the blood. Relationship as well but to run the entire length of South America now there's so many extraordinary or even extra terrestrials. Something like that some people yeah I think that Stephanie all we go 1st Gump analogy. Just really already came earlier humanity but I think it was family probably hit the nail on the head when they said but not athletes and yeah we had no idea whether we're going to be able to run marathons day after day and we were quite frankly really terrified about the thought of it and you know we didn't know what of bodies would be yeah it was partly a test of human insurance you want to test yourselves to news Yeah exactly we want to see what our bodies could see where they were capable of doing and we started looking to better running we need nothing about it before before we began and then about 3 months we were planning the expedition for about 6 months and it's cages to sort out websites and social media getting those of trust involved and sponsorship and no money but yes we then we thought well I was going to work out how we're going to survive running so we started to. Do better running coaching and we were in year ago at that stage that we had Skype lessons from a barefoot running cage and we became addicted and thought this is this is going to work this is going to save our bodies and I think I think it did and I think we both still run around barefoot and seems to have done the job but the jurors was only parts of the reason why you decided to run through South America you want to run with the law in the environment was it yeah exactly. So we're both mad about wildlife we love it and we want to give a voice for wildlife and wilderness and just say you know they're just the most amazing places and Phil said. God all those worries and stresses melt away when they're in green and of the places say we want to inspire environmental action I guess and proof that with small steps we can tackle seemingly insurmountable challenges there's not too late to save the world's remaining wildernesses but time is running out so that was our kind of mission say we talk to schools along the way we talk to the communities about running wildlife and about you know our passion and and write lots of articles and yeah and just tell the stories of the people and the wildlife we're meeting along the way it seems like you want to do the hard work because there's even less difficult way of running South America you decided to start from the south for practical reasons are destroyed with to do with your boat you started the hard part 1st the new. Everybody says Well what we already uphill the entire way. And this is it and. It's funny because yeah we were it we were going to run from the north from the Caribbean we had dreams of you know starting with them subpoena the larders in the womb of the Varians you know that kind of thing and then there was elections going on with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela was looking really dodgy and we were scared and we thought you know if we've just got all our sponsor kissed and we tanned up on the starting line and we look like really you know a wet behind the ears and we've just been easy target say so last minute we decided to head down to the south but the only problem was it was the Austria winter and it was raising So just in a blizzard and yeah that was that was quite hard and we had to cross 3 freezing where there's just to begin still there was a running expedition we found ourselves stripping naked. In the freezing cold and forging these rivers to begin with this is why I said we running with the environment of our be exactly this point the environment moves revue doesn't am I Got It did yeah it's crazy things are that in that river I thought I was going to be a goner quite frankly and yeah and just you know Dave it was so cold at times when we were pitching our tent by the side of the raid you know days fingers stuck to the tent pegs and we were just had so many layers on and we were quite a sight to behold i think but only on the plus side something that we had never thought about because our bodies were sore at the start you know just getting East all these matters of miles and turned out running in a freezing made sense because it's like having an all around ice pack so yes I think it kind of cheesed the injuries that we or you know the muscles it would use the problems that we might have had if we were in a warmer climate at this point you already 3 years in your journey aren't you yeah we did a bit of a we well we decided said Mildmay names land but Dave North that fact and he's going to say you know the fact that I'm definitely terrestrial in every way a sense of them and he's come from a bit of a sailing family and they've always sailed everywhere so he thought he came up with a hare brained idea to sail out South America say yes so we had already sailed out and we've done some ecology work so we done some wildlife surveying and rate a book about some sea beds in the Caribbean and then we got our bait to hear a guy around with every 2nd I was 2nd navigate to South America left a bait and here a guy and then started hitching some less well can we take buses down to the very steep very tip of South America and that's when we started running and that's when the pain in the book begins by the way if you start feeling for you or any sawing did you think that this might not work. Little bit of a mad idea that you should just knock on the hood yell must methink every day we were every day we're thinking What the hell are we doing this is just so so we were necking ibuprofen at the beginning and we were getting on very well I can tell you at the start it was really tough even just silly things like we only had one bowl between us because we were being really careful for weight saving purposes and yeah it was becoming We were becoming predatory over who had the biggest sausage or the most lump of Grewal whatever we could. Come by today and say Yeah we bought another bowl and that helped say at the beginning it was hard trying to adjust and we found out the way we basically started setting up routines he put up the tent him packed the trailer you know we kind of had rolls and things started to get easier and we started and after a couple of weeks we start to get on and it wasn't too bad. Other Prasar you're seeing a part of the world that many people even many South Americans many Argentinians have ever seen Yeah and I totally don't think it was incredible down there and because it was wintertime there was nobody there was just you know folks is amazing foxes and. Because of their co-pay of foxes and. And and in candles and just this incredible wildlife because I think there were so few people they were quite tame and it was winter and so that we got to we got to get be very close to these incredible species and when we talk to people and say had he said Have you seen his Patagonian armadillos and some of the things he was seeing and they hadn't and I think because we were out there all the time we just got to see so much and that was really special to get your dog in a rickshaw beyond use Rowley's one of us' in any given time yeah totally So we wanted we had that it was important for us to do the expedition unsupported we did come up with the idea of perhaps asking my mom to drive a milk float with some solar panels on top and she wasn't so unfair. So you know we did we did it. With all our kit and as a law food and just so much we had so much at the beginning we had a Spanish book a bird book a wildlife but we had food we had water we had a projector solar panels even there was the wind Oh you name it we had it in the back. Did break a few times but the great thing was we spent ages trying to work out how we would carry a large kit so whether to push it in a kind of in like a toddler's stroller or whether to pull it and in the end we chose pulling and they've made it because we couldn't find any running trailers on the Internet surprise surprise they've ended up making a concoction out of bamboo and with Chiefs of. Bikes and with bungee cord so with those or and so strap the Bambi together made this lovely support which we could put all our bags on t. And then we could run hands free was the amazing thing and so we wanted it totally equitably so we would swap the trailer every 5 miles and that meant that with one of the one of the part there you know one of us would get to run without the trade which was really nice just have a bit of a break as well. When you do bump into the odd person with them or you could have a. Running with a room with a ritual beyond the air is funny and we got some. Yes some quite odd responses say in Bolivia people really love that trailer I think they were eyeing it up actually and you know we started thinking more on process should start you know selling these beauties because they're useful I mean we could carry so much so much with us and people thought we were selling you know selling stuff we were actually selling commodities they'd come and ask us what they could buy I think we just it was funny sometimes people were thought we were cycling because they saw the wheels on the trailer and they couldn't quite kind of put it together that our feet were you know running along so it was an odd vision but it did mean that sometimes when we were hundreds of miles away from the next settlement people would recognise us when we roped into town and come and find. Because we stood out with this bright orange trailer so yeah it was it became a bit of an emblem for us for our expedition and because it was made out to recycle materials and it was you know we could fix it anywhere as it was kind of low tech and it was yeah it was it was an important part and children would want to pull it and all kinds of things that was fun to have as well as being a life support system you do have to cycle a little over the did you when you had an injury project that no we didn't actually know we kind of dreamt of cycling and we got that that might have to be what we would have you know we might have to cycle but in the end our bodies Yeah we so I had a bit of an injury at the beginning early on in the run so I had a really sore ankle and we were trying to work out you know how we could carry on doing it the run human powered but we had read about this technique that the American military uses called rice and that's basically ibuprofen rest. Cold compresses and elevation and so we did that I did that for about 34 hours just stopped put my feet up we're in a freezer anyway so we didn't need any ice packs. And then it was amazing so I could keep running so yeah and then we ran the entire 6504 miles through again so it's wrist rest I've approach then and then cold compress that's the c. And then the elevation and Dave did that as well when he had I think it was a sore knee at one stage further up in northern Argentina and we just stopped and did that and it really worked it's amazing so you do have some other version with you yeah we had we had we had a massive your 1st aid kit was our chest in the back of the trailer just you know and in stages and sometimes and in Bolivia they was ill and I was ill so we ended up in a self medicating with a concoction of and. And antibiotics so it was useful having a special where in the middle of nowhere the wild life that you. Macross is amazing and you've done some of the Charles Darwin illustrations of the wildlife and I don't know it's great actually because it brings a book to life you know it relieves us of the the you know the empathy with your pay as you run for another 5000 miles away. And they take the yes tell you what we thought was going to be $5000.00 say we had this massive yet the map in front of us South America and we tried to work out what it would be but we did it based on a chart so sailing chart and every every degree is is 60 miles but in fact and the problem was when you look at when you compare miles north to statute miles north of 15 percent shorter than the statute miles so this was a big problem so we base it on not a couple miles looking at the sailing charts and so we totally underestimated it and we hope we do 5000 miles in a year but after 5000 miles and under a year we've done that but we're still in the Amazon Basin and we can't even process how much. So yeah we said we ended up running another $1504.00 and those 4 miles were important it was amazing every every mile was guarded Yeah they were all really important and they're not all land is public land there's a huge traverse private land was it was yeah totally yeah the beginning was just seeing all these private signs everywhere with again like you know what we do. Because we could never find people to ask them where the very rarely could we asked them whether we could stay on their land so we were just tide would jump over the fence and they were just lucky and then hide and made the time we got away with it sometimes we didn't say that was a bit dodgy when that happened. Because obviously you're following a map that we want to Century you're following a map and sometimes that map doesn't illustrate where you can take your trip crafting the route for the 1st time or thought. Now exactly and yeah a lot of the way it was we couldn't use Google Maps for a large section of the reach because some of the race just don't exist some of the settlements were there when we arrive say yeah in some of those areas in remote Amazon and remote areas of South America there is just that you just can't get enough information and when we asked people they often you know they couldn't tell us and it would depend on rains and all kinds of things you know rains washed away some of the tracks that we were looking at and so it was much more difficult there was the air there was no Tom Tom for a lot of the way you know we just couldn't work or find enough information to say what the route would be so ahead what did you get out of it. So much it was as a nice amazing time just simple you know just just those wonderful times when you can see the stars all around the the wildlife incredible you just making your food every night putting one foot in front of the other in front of that in the day our job was running it was just it was a simple existence you know will get so stressed in real life there's so many things going on I mean all these all these pressures and strains and all the you know we were worried at stages were scared about the human threat specially in the north of the continent and you know there was a worry that we were going to do it at beginning but then that started you know we start to get more confident and we were stone feel so much better so those kind of pressures went away and it was just it was a lovely existence I think both of us felt we would have carried out actually is there was a lovely time wasn't a human throat. We were really scared about Brazil and Venezuela everybody you know all the Brazilians we spoke to said you're mad you just can't run 3 Brazilians themselves and you can run through this country going to be a target and we were running we had to run through some quite big cities which are notorious for crime for all kinds of crime and then Venezuela particularly we were really petrified about because you just said there was so when we got into the country there was we had a couple of my own about 100. Did 200 miles which was fairly safe but then there was this $150.00 s. Section which is maffia ran the roads are closed at night time and people said you just can't run it because buses are being attacked at gunpoint and you know 2 people as fundable as he just running running on the road with no kind of you know with a just with their trailer are going to be attacked say we was really really scared at that point but we just felt that we had done we'd run so far and that we were quite savvy it was really good that we did end up changing its position around because by that stage by then it's failure we knew what we knew so much more what to do so we need to have said we would acknowledge in the rain for us would hide we need to run and really early in the morning when you know the criminals probably you know if passed out in the morning and we just had tactics like stopping of the cars a couple of cars stopped so we stopped straight to attend to tire she laces and luckily they moved on so we just had all these different ways of trying to keep safe and the funny thing was you know we went through lots of checkpoints with guys with shotguns and well with you know machine guns and actually they just looked at us and just thought what are those thing one other. Vagal. Krug anything off their. Little do they know that we had hundreds of dollars stashed in the vitrine the tires on the inner tubes and. So yeah it's all kind of how we looked terrible by the end of it as well say something that all added up to you know entente our side for getting 3 Yeah look it's an amazing journey I wish I could have got on the journey not the running part not the running because sure you can enjoy some of that without the in durance And you know good on you for doing the insurance but for you ultimately was it a running. Race or does not raise you do a marathon success in America or was it a a run or was it something much more than. Runner. If you like was it an adventure on the run or not it's a good point I think kind of felt like a lifestyle was everything because we were living it breathing eating it and yeah just because the people we met every day an incredible people giving us food and drinks and opening the houses and guns to us it was yeah I guess it was an adventure the run was everything as well but yeah just being there in South America and being so role because running allows you to see so much and feel so much say yeah I was an incredible experience a all of it all mixed in together how long did the judge took 15 months say yeah that was the run took 15 months the whole journey was Farview Oh God yeah the whole journey says sort of sailing out there for 67 years. We had a child and yes a various things I have to write about in another there's a lot of these more near death so we get it there yeah I'm sure there's plenty of books that it. Brought you very close together as well you know you call get closer to. That exactly God We survived running a company I used to think we lived on this boat a 50 foot boat to get a lift and wets on and I thought God that was placed I must mean the whole of South America itself at the beginning wasn't big enough for each other but you know we got really I mean it's amazing when together we laugh we go through everything we've got those memories forever which of course have you to have those memories yes you I mean it's always a way when you live overseas as I've done for example you come back and you try and so people about sort of veges you had but nobody quite gets it because they were there they don't understand the culture and you know the moment that they were there for that moment you it's somewhat of a lonely sort of memory in existence I have that regard you have somebody to share with it's really me but the problem is at the end of the day you've done the adventure now can you beat it can you top it. Well we're going to. I think it's going to be tough but we've got lots of ideas the feature we once you've got I think it's like people you know when you travel you have when you travel when you go out and eventually just one stream or we're doing some talks recently the road Geographic Society in and the Somali guides things and talks and my god that just setting a cat's amongst the pigeons it's time to head off again say yeah so I did so we just need to start doing it where you find anywhere as in a way as. Protected the southern parts of South America were for you to lose anyway like I was thinking Africa's a codes and it may be comparative in length but you know it is either ravaged or not quite what it was or the wildlife has been destroyed or whatever it might be I'm not sure whether you replicate that anywhere else in the world and that's how I think South America is an incredible continent it's just got so much wildlife same you know there's no Miss Amazon rainforest there's nothing like in the wild say it was an incredible continent perhaps we'll just have to do it the other way around next time Jimmy come from the north and east can also. Be. Replaced you can go east west of course because there's a lot of Asia. They just amazing Well there's just so much out that's what I like to have no putting ideas into your ankle no you. See the end of the journey all go to the Orient Express. You know it's a fascinating read and are generally as you went through all that pain I was with you I was thanking and I say Glad you enjoyed it you can even get a hold of that by the way on my website 5000 mile project or if you want a signed and dedicate copy any of your listeners on yeah absolutely the black school running South America with my husband and other animals. You might remember that from is it Gerald Durrell is it my family you know the right it was or whatever it was it was a great song or it's by Katherine Lowry who's been my guest. Areas .