Before the Queen Elizabeth university hospital opened in 2015 it ranked infection control measures as high risk the mother of 10 year old patient Millie main claims her daughter who died in 2017 would still be alive had those water contamination concerns been addressed today the board's chief executive Jane get on to said she is truly sorry she claims as soon as the senior leadership team became aware of the technical reporters that immediate action was taken and no attempt was made to ignore them Ms Grant says significant efforts have been made to tackle the issues and she's convinced she has the right team in place the u.k. Government is reviewing the license conditions of every convicted terrorist who was freed from prison in England and Wales following Friday's attack at London Bridge 2 people were stabbed to death by a man who had been jailed in 2012 for his role in an al Qaeda inspired plot John McManus reports Usman com was released in December last year after serving half of his 16 year jail term for terrorism offenses the metropolitan police say they believe he did comply with an extensive list of conditions including wearing an electronic tag and had received permission to travel into London for Friday's conference the Ministry of Justice says the review of conditions for terrorists released a license began in the media's aftermath of the London Bridge attack he said the review would ensure that the conditions what is tough as they needed to be set up meetings between offenders and the supervisors would be stepped up Hollywood's Justice Committee is calling for spending on presents to be raised and more done to improve standards and combat overcrowding it's called for real terms increases to both the revenue and capital spending on the Scottish Prison Service to be included in next year's budgets the Scottish government is also being urged to do more to encourage that you dishy to consider alternatives to custody ministers say they have increased the funding to the s.p.s. And. To criminal justice social work Sampras's the Justice Committee. As convener as market Michel silver bullet to the solve this problem does. Find the solution to spark and make sure that these. In the pool and the rotation that is to just. Sits in practice in the booth traditionally the public confidence police in Hong Kong have fired tear gas to disperse antigovernment protesters thousands of demonstrators have again taken to the streets they have been marching to the American consulate to thank the u.s. For supporting the democratic democracy movement and in Malta the family of the moderate investigative journalist Daphne kind of want to go at Syria are calling for the prime minister Joss of Muscat to quit at once they are demanding an investigation into his alleged role in the 27000 assassination was the news no sport with have a just thank you Derek a couple of big games in the Scottish Premiership to look forward to later Celtic are away to Ross County hoping to extend their lead at the top of the table to county level on points with Rangers but ahead on goal difference Rangers meanwhile host hearts with the Hearts interim manager Alston McPhee admitting that a massive task lies ahead they want a result. Ranges of suffer just wonderfully to the league winning 11 of their 13 much as so far they sit top of the Europa League see the McPhee says odds were against the underside 2 years ago when they managed to cause an upset against another dominant Glasgow team and he has reminded his squad of every player in the changing room is playing a game that they were meant to when I spoke to them about the Celtic were 69 games unbeaten Jane probably for 3 days and we had laws and. Michael's muscles playing his 1st game at center court and was playing one of his 1st games as a 16 year old in the one for now and you need to be organized. Going into the game you know we we know that these things happen and sort of all and we need to make sure that we give ourselves the best chance on on Sunday of those who are going to tune into sports on for live cover. The program gets underway this morning at half past 11 in the big Glasgow Warriors remain 4th in pro foreseen conference this morning that's after their 2310 defeat by Landstar and to the u.k. Stake a championship in your lens on a McManus has defeated Barry Hawkins $64.00 the defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan increase 3 to the 3rd round with a 6 nil victory over China's Chan Peng faith without civil support now though it's back to direct for the weather thanks have a cold dry and sunny conditions to Smalling a few winter showers to come affecting mostly the far north white ones as well temperatures are in 3 to 7 Celsius elitist b.b.c. Radio Scotland use. Somebody morning with Kathy McDonald on b.b.c. Radio Scotland. Hello and welcome to some to morning with me Kathy McDonald coming up the healing power of letters a daughter's tribute to her mother almost 50 years after her death and to fresh look at dementia through the lens of a new television drama I know we all think it is. Ocean of just forgotten how for. More on that later in a few minutes I'll be speaking to writer and journalist. A member of Pakistan's famous political dynasty that's coming up right after a recent Franklin and Mockingbird. I am. My. The distinctive voice of Far East of Franklin and Mockingbird My guest has 1st hand experience of what political violence in a divided world can do to a family Fatima Bhutto is part of Pakistan's famous political dynasty She lost 4 family members to political violence including her father and her aunt Benazir Bhutto who was twice prime minister of Pakistan Fatima is an author and a journalist and uses writing to express her political views and activism Welcome to the program Fatima thank you so much and I will talk about your writing both fiction of course and on fiction a little later but I want to find out more about growing up with the Bhutto family name you were born in Kabul in Afghanistan and you grew up in Damascus because your father Murtaza Bhutto was in exile What do you remember of those days. Well ahead of her really beautiful childhood actually. In Damascus to grow up in you know the oldest continually inhabited city and on Earth really was a privilege to be surrounded by so much history and. So much beautiful art and architecture as a child it it appeared to me to be my home even though we were in exile as you said and my father had to remind me all the time that I wasn't in fact Syrian and on the other hand it was even with the backdrop of exile and of displacement from our home it was a fun childhood because my father introduced me to the world with a lot of joy and he introduced me to books and to reading and really to the wonder of life and and so I can't say I have any regrets or any sadness about my childhood in that sense and he was bringing you up as a single parent yes so he was a single father which meant that he had to be my father and my mother my headdress or my babysitter and and he was incredible fun actually so he made it seem easy though I'm I'm sure of course it wasn't and it's really thanks to my father that I am the woman I am today because I was never ever told that I couldn't do something because I was a girl it was the opposite I was pushed to do as much as possible and he very much expanded and encouraged all my curiosity and. Rebelliousness even from an early age was that unusual at the time when I think it's unusual at any time I think I think it just from my experience of traveling around and having friends from everywhere I don't know many girls who had fathers who taught them to be rebels and who who discourage them from conforming and from. Being quiet so I mean at least among the people I know my father really was unusual in that sense you know he met and he fell in love with another exile a woman who was from Beirut how did this new love change your life or affect your life. Well it of course had a big effect on my life because it had just been my father and me and suddenly it was anymore my father in me but you know at the end of that I got a brother and I was very thrilled to have a brother and to have someone to share the curiosities of of life with and I think that's a wonderful thing about having a sibling so my brother really has the greatest inheritance of of that change and growing up and Damascus as the daughter of 2 exiled revolutionary So I think it's fair to say where you did you ever struggle with your sense of belonging knowing that this wasn't actually it was where you grew up but it wasn't where you were from did that moving around also leave you with that kind of identity struggle. Oh well my my beginnings were world of always being separated from from the idea of home and so home very early on became a mythical idea to me it had to be mythical because I thought Syria was my home but it wasn't and of course I eventually left that the only home I ever knew to go to the real home of the capital h. So I always find myself missing home or at least longing for for something that that should be home but maybe never quite is so I'm not sure my identity suffered in any sense because my father raised me to have a wide idea of what identity means that a fluid idea that you know you're allowed to absorb new ideas and also dispense with them if you if you felt like you had outgrown them but my sense of place yes that was always a bit of a confusing spot you know where where was I supposed to be rather than where did I belong I guess is a question that's followed me for a long time know your parents ended their exile and returned to. She wear your father contested the elections and 9093 he won the same parliamentary seat he'd held before what was that move like for you. It was actually it was his father seat that he won that contested and won and it was a very emotional move because my father was a very joyful person but but he really carried the tragedy of his exile with him always he he longed for home he longed for his country he dreamt of his country you know he lived in a way in his country even in those 16 years he ate the food he heard the music he spoke about it constantly and so it was very emotional for him to return and for me as his daughter too to see that was also emotional but for me as my own person it was difficult because I had to uproot the only life I ever knew and begin afresh and in Pakistan I wasn't anonymous as I had been in Syria and by his that everyone knew who I was and who my family was and they had opinions about my family and that was a very strange experience in the beginning you're listening to Sunday morning with me Kathy MacDonald on b.b.c. Radio Scotland my guest is writer and novelist Fatima Bhutto you talk about the change leaving Damascus and say moving to Khorat she asked a schoolgirl very very different circumstances people who knew you where obviously How were you aware of the significance of the family into which she were born while I knew that I knew that it was a family that had struggled and I knew that it was a family that had a lot of sorrow in its history because I was born in the shadow of that exile and that struggle and that sorrow I never knew my grandfather he was killed 3 years before I was born but but I was 3 years old when my. Uncle my father's younger brother was killed so I understood that there was a heaviness somewhere but I didn't see it in the same way everyone else did because of course these are people who I loved and people who I missed and who I relied on I didn't see them as public figures they were my figures and I was always worried for them I suppose that the only way in which I understood there was something about this family that was unusual it was that when one of them walked out the door you you always had to worry whether they would come back or not so much my sense of my family and other people's sense of that I don't think has ever really matched you know it was a great loss and a great degree of loss for someone so young your grandfather still think our Ali Bhutto former prime minister of course the founder of the People's Party your Uncle Shad now was Bhutto and of course your aunt than Cebu to your father and you had only 14 years of age when your father was killed it sounds like a strange question to ask but what he think that does to someone experiencing that kind of loss and almost getting closer all the time from your grandfather to you don't father. Well I always grew up with the fear that it would happen again and. That fear was always been there that fear was never lessened with any time but to lose my father for me at any age but especially at such a young age. Really devastated me the only reason I survived it is because the lessons that my father had imparted to me up until that point were that life was beautiful and that life was to be lived in in the fullest sense and one had to be courageous about life because of the promise of it was. Difficult to as well as beautiful I think that's the only reason I made it through any of that is that I fundamentally believe the world to be a good place and life to be worth living but. But it was very difficult of course to go through something like that and I think the healing process from that kind of pain is an overnight it takes decades and it really does take a kind of magical thinking one has to really be open to all the strange possibilities of the world in order to keep going otherwise it's it's too sad really do you think the process of writing helps you through something like that because he wanted to detail when you wrote your family memoir Songs of Blood and Sword. Writing for me has always been a way of trying to understand what's happening around me it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm cured in any way by it or that I'm sue the necessarily but it's a space where I can really process what I'm feeling and what I'm thinking and what I'm anxious about on the other hand really I think the thing that really helps us is to know that more fear is natural I mean I don't I don't really believe in the idea fearlessness euro. Afraid But but the lesson of life for me at least has been to keep going especially when you're afraid religion s. S. Powerful or forces politics and Pakistan how much did it featuring it or not bringing in Indeed in your life know well my family was always quite secular and at the same time as as that was true we were taught as children my brother and I about religion not just about Islam but about many other religions and it was always the . Well the culture of Islam that really was was so close you know in Islam is a religion primarily concerned with the idea of justice the idea of justice may so central to the religion and the stories from the Koran or stories from the the Prophet's life always at least growing up were told in that light at the same time by his that is such a syncretic place as Syria and so we grew up with stories of sick ism of Hinduism of Christianity of Buddhism and and the sense that we were allowed to be a part of everything to respect everything to listen to everything and to hold on to everything insofar as it spoke to us but I wouldn't say that I am a religious person no I mean trysted in the culture of religion and I'm interested in the compassion that seems to be present in all religions but I don't practice any now what about politics or is it something you considered possibly after you ran to Benazir Bhutto was assassinated when many people wondered if you would indeed enter political life actually I did always consider it it was it was something I was always fascinated by and something I always wondered about being more involved in but actually the opposite is true it was after my aunt's death that definitively decided I didn't want to be a part of it. Rather than the opposite of course that's when the pressure really increased that was probably the the point when people's curiosity turned into something more serious but I do consider what I do political in the sense that my writing is very much engaged in the politics around where I am whether that's Pakistan or the world at large and I think it's a political act to speak to accord and to witness but for now no. No I I don't really see myself as playing any larger role than that you've said there were 2 Venice years do you remember the woman in exile who you remember as a child and the woman who came to power and that she was less recognizable to you. Yes I think power power is such a corrosive force that it's very difficult to go into its embrace and and remain unchanged to remain as principled as one might have been before and I don't think that's just true of my aunt I think. I think anyone anyone it touches even the suggestion of power even the proximity of power as is so. I can think of is so damaging that it's hard to imagine anyone can come through it . But you know. I had a very difficult life and I'm sure that that had its effects as well you're listening to some to morning with me Catherine. Author and activist We'll talk more to. Your 1st choices. On the dock with the baby why did you choose this one well that was one of my father's favorite songs and I think it's it's really the song of exile and we used to listen to it in Damascus in the car was always somewhere nearby in the car in the house so whenever I hear that song I think strangely. A the choice of my guest today. Now you've published your 1st book to stay here after your father died it was a collection of poems called Whispers of the desert many were written before his assassination and the filled with seams of loneliness and separation how much to. Help you cope with the world you find yourself in at that time it really did help but I started writing poetry for a school project I was very young of course at the time that I was writing poetry but I was also in a new place my father's life had changed dramatically he was no longer. My father he now belong to this enormous system that seemed to overwhelm all of us and to separate us from him and also Pakistan at the time was an incredible. Dangerous place it was a very violent time for karate especially there was a lot of extrajudicial killings in that period of the early ninety's the police killed over 3000 people in the city of Karachi alone over 23 years and so there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of turbulence and writing really was it was a way of recording that turbulence for me is that final and something you remember even from your school days. From my days in Karachi Yes I mean we would be in school going to class I remember distinctly going to French class one day and our school was shot at I don't even remember who was shooting at it but people came and shot at the school and we we had to hit the floor and those are the kind of drills we had you know we had earthquake drills at school but we also had terrorism drills and this is really before terrorism with a big t. Kind of entered anyone's imagination in Pakistan or or otherwise so it was something you learn to live with strangely you once said that in Pakistan we live with this historical amnesia do you feel you need to write and be vocal about these moments or issues that are being ignored I do I mean I've always felt that I'm just amazed even today in 2019 the things people forget from one week ago or 4 days ago that that just no longer are that get vanished under the tidal wave of news and information and I know I shouldn't be disappointed or shocked by that but I I really always. I want to talk about your recent novel The Runaways which explores modern Muslim identity through the eyes of 3 different protagonists give me a brief summary of the book itself well the Runaways is really a novel about young lives in the backdrop of a raging inequality in the backdrop of the war on terror and really the isolation that so many people have felt over the last 20. There is and how that can metastasize into radicalism into anger into violence and it really is a novel about what the West I suppose doesn't understand about radicalism that it doesn't have anything really to do with religion that it's born out of a humiliation out of isolation and alienation and that actually many more people are vulnerable to that than we think they don't all come from the same religious group or ethnicity or background either however important is that to offer Western reduce that kind of perspective I suppose I thought it was very important because for 20 years we've heard the sort of Western take on on radicalism but it's been really shallow and really singular all it said is only one group of people is affected by this they're Muslims let's not talk about it any further it never really talks about why a Muslim might feel isolated what exactly they're angry about Also it leaves out the fact that many many many people beyond Muslims are radicalized today whether we talk about Americans or we talk about people in India people of all kinds of religions and backgrounds and as in the cities the world is being radicalized today why is that what is the flashpoint and what is being weaponized So I mean these are all sound like big things but actually really at the end of it the Runaways is a novel about young people and I think the loneliness of modern life and how without feeling that you have a say or a stake in your future you can be turned against anything but I hear minimizing the characters and giving and well rounded picture of their lives on the challenges they faced I suppose you could pepper that too with your own experiences of being on the other side of terrorism did that change your own thoughts on the subject well being in a country where you really had to think about whether it was safe. To to do something that might have been perfectly ordinary to anyone else forces you to think about violence in different ways it's not enough just to say that people who perpetrate violence are evil that's meaningless I also think the binary is of good and evil are pointless they don't really help anyone with anything you know one person's evil is another person's not evil but it forced you to think about why people could be driven to that kind of action what kind of pain someone would have to be and to employ violence their victims of violence as much as the people who they hurt and I think it to survive you really had to try and understand it it wasn't enough just to condemn it and of course suffer the consequences of those actions that are taken and I'm thinking of discussions in this country about young Britons who've gone off to fight with extremist groups and the questions of where they belong after their action and if they should be allowed back into the u.k. How do you make sense of these questions what I think I think at one level they're very simple for look at the case of let's say Shamima Begum who was born in Britain educated in the British school system raised in Britain she was then groomed and radicalized in Britain it is Britain that is a part of her path towards radicalization so for Britain to turn around and say she should go to Bangladesh which is a country she's never even visited as a tourist is absurd actually at that point I think a country has to ask themselves where they managed to leave a generation of people behind is only if you have no hope for your future or you see yourself excluded from your own country and excluded from your country's narrative it's only at that point that you will become vulnerable or susceptible to another narrative I think radical groups understand this innately but countries don't seem to understand. Bizarrely and the only thing to do is to understand that and to rather than push people out include the more can you also understand the sentiments of people who feel that other people who betrayed that country should I suppose pay the price and the sense whatever price that me yes I can understand that I think in that case they answer is the same ifs of a them as committed a crime which I mean as far as I know just reading the press hasn't been charged with anything but if she has then she should be brought back to her country and she should be tried she should be tried in in her own country by her peers and then if she's committed a crime she should be punished of course people should be punished for crimes that they commit but I think they deserve at least the trial no you know the the west once upon a time prided itself on a due process and all that we've seen in the last 20 years is that that's that due process that you know innocence before a court of law innocence until proven guilty that's just been abandoned if the accused is the wrong kind of person you're listening to Santa morning with Kathy MacDonald on b.b.c. Radio Scotland my guest today is writer at a mother of 2 Your latest book new kings of the world dispatches from Bollywood dizzy and k. Pulp studies popular cultural movements in marriage and from the east Tell us about these phenomena and how they're taking hold I suppose not just in the east but in different parts of the world when you consider the world is really a book about global pop culture and the changing face of that the past century really was an American century for the most part I mean if you're going to the cinema if you were watching television if you listen to music largely it was coming from America maybe things came from Britain or things came from France here and there but it really was an American century and today I don't think that's true anymore I think we're very much in an Asian century. And if we look at the Challenges to American soft power or cultural power they're really coming from the east the coming from Turkey they're coming from South Korea they're coming from India from China and I think that's exciting I think these are countries innovating culture in bizarre and. Creative ways and so I wanted to write about why things have changed what the politics of today's culture is and what the landscape ahead looks like it's true that quite recently American pop culture dominated and most parts of the world what do you think then is creating and driving this global cultural shift and what kind of power and influence does it bring with it was several several things are at play I think the 1st is that the American cultural movement didn't happen on the back of its own sophistication alone it really was on the back of the American military defense complex so in 1968 you had over 1000000 American military personnel deployed all over the world in over 50 countries and those personnel were bringing with them their music their movies their tastes today of course we see a totally different picture today is the lowest point of American military personnel deployment in history in the last century is just under $200000.00 and I think that also results in a decline of American power at the same time we have migration and urbanization in play so in 2015 over a 1000000000 people migrated but contrary to what people might think in Europe or in America a minority of that 1000000000 have left their homes for other countries the majority over 700000000 people are migrating within their own countries they're going from rural homes into the big city and those people disconnected now from traditional family set ups. Disconnected from small environments where everybody knows each other really find themselves unmoored in the big city which is a faceless nameless place and I don't think that American culture in terms of television or films let's say really speaks to the struggles of the many millions coming late to the modern world whereas Turkish Dizzee which are television dramas which are dramas with very modern production but set are on traditional values does speak to their fear as it does speak to their aspirations it does speak to their dreams and the example I was given is you know imagine someone in Guatemala moved from his family's ancestral village into the city what does a vendors and game say about his life not very much but if you watch is a Bollywood film actually he sees quite a lot reflected there especially what is difficult about his life I suppose the questions are exploring the things that unite earth if politics of religion devices does desire to unite us than this popular culture unite us I think you know I'm one of those people that think actually nothing divides us you know even if you look at the message of any religion they're all they're all the same ultimately they're messages of humility and compassion and submission if we look at politics again anywhere in the world people want the same things they want liberty and they want opportunity and they want justice I think the same is true of culture I think we come to a culture as innocents we come to be entertained but at the same time we also want to see something of ourselves in films we want pathways of How to Survive of how to negotiate the troubles of the heart and we want maybe a little bit of hope and idealism at the end of all of that and I think what is wonderful about the world today is that even as politics becomes narrower and more nationalistic people are not nationalistic about culture people. A really democratic about culture they're open to everything of course some of us carry more history and responsibility than others and people will always be fascinated with the Bhutto family name what does being a boost to mean to you and will it influence your work and writing you know that's a difficult question to answer because for me of course it's only been a name it's only name I've ever had but I think if I didn't have this name of if I were to have another name tomorrow I like to think I would still be led by the same . Forces as a writer I'm interested in observation and observing as closely as I can what it means to be alive in the Times in which we live and to try and understand the lives of others with as much compassion as possible that's a duty I think that belongs to all of us not just writers or people that come from one background or another but writers and journalists can influence people and influence they and will they think and decide what you are someone who to keep keen eye on global events what are your concerns and your hopes going forward. Well the concern I mean is the same you see everywhere in the world the rise of these populists who've come to power on the back of hatred of others or fear and fury I worry very much about a world not only in which these people are elected but in which they have followers and which people defend them but at the same time I know I mean working a new king of the world was really an education in the fact that even as dark as the populists everywhere are we as people are not dark people are hungry to know about each other and are curious to hear each other's stories and actually are welcoming and open to each other regardless of where we come from or what language we speak or anything else so my hope is that that balance will shift against the populist and on behalf of us the people thank you for joining us to my best to you and before you go your last Music Choice is an Arabic song 3 deck can't tell me about this one what it means 3 minutes actually the song it's not an old song it's a new song I couldn't come here and just pick. Would it be very I'm brand new kings of the world so I picked a recent hit in a Gyptian song actually but it's an Egyptian song that you hear all over the Middle East and it's a great song actually it's a great number thank you so very much. The final choice of my guest today for. The Runaways is published by Viking and new kings of the world is published by Columbia reports if you missed any of you can listen again on the b.b.c. Or honor. Page on the b.b.c. Radio Scotland website Hello I'm Denise minor Please join me as I explore some of the most famous and bizarre cases in Scottish legal history someone is going to inherit all of these estates across the whole of Scotland suit who is going to do it on our 1st programme will be heading back to the 18th century for an almighty battle royale between the 2 richest families in Scotland the fortune the property of the money that was at stake involved lives jiggery Paul Corrina is investigators priests Proclaimers dollar baby stolen baby chips East scholar all as in every paper for months and months and months then each minus case histories written choosing from 130 on b.b.c. Radio Scotland You're listening to Sunday morning with me Cathy MacDonald on b.b.c. Radio Scotland and keep in touch with the station on our Facebook page on Instagram and on Twitter at b.b.c. Radio Scott. As modern illnesses go it's probably society's most feared condition but Air Farce can drama shed light on dementia and the Healy's best selling novel Elizabeth this missing is about to hit their screens in a b.b.c. Television adaptation multi award winning actor Glenda Jackson plays mold a woman struggling with dementia is attempting to piece together what has happened to her best friend Elizabeth I know what you're thinking it think I've lost and have just forgotten while I have it. She hasn't got her glasses have blinds were shocked in the middle of the day and I haven't lost my marbles though everybody seems to think I have nobody listens to make visible is something. Oh no still here. I want to scream. More from home. Don't you make. I want to scream but it won't come out jolts stuck in. The failings. That was a clip from Elizabeth is missing I'm joined by Professor June Andrews who's author of dementia the one stop guide and documentary maker Sue Bourne whose film aman to me is a very personal account of her relationship with her mother who had Alzheimer's disease Good morning to both good morning I want to know what you thought of Glenda Jackson sport trail as more Juden How convincing was it for you I normally avoid these kind of portrayals of people with dementia because so many times they feel but this time I was blown away it was a stupendous performance because it sure the difficulty and confusion should the pain issue the anger and indignation would. People just wouldn't believe or wouldn't understand and so in that sense it was kind of shocking to see it because it's very rural It was a fantastic portrayal of dimentia because no one really knows what it's like from the inside when you get as far down the journey as Mord is but to see that portrayed in that we think will open a lot of eyes of people who think it's just a memory problem and to someone who's been in that position so it did ring true for you it was painful yeah absolutely I think it's really difficult to understand what's going on inside the mind of you in my case in my mother's mind I think the hardest part for all of them must be the transition from if you like I don't want to see sanity into dementia but I think when they realize that they're beginning to be very confused but they're still not completely gone over to the other side and that's the state that mod was in and it was it was sort of heartbreaking really but very very powerful I personally had not particularly the book so I came to this with some trepidation and I thought gin I thought it was fantastic there are elements of confusion of anger paranoia and aggression all of that but it's very moving to and I think for me what was powerful was the daughter's feeling of guilt and I think that something that is associated isn't it with looking after people with dementia is not to say most of the people who are family members looking after some with the main shop statistically it's more likely to be a female more likely to be in fact the eldest daughter and it's not just simply getting on with the job or learning how to do it is the fact you've also got to manage your own family it was really interesting the way the brother sworn in and now and again and the daughter or recently wanting to engage with her mom's affection for for her son and all the base of it but being for astri. Due to the fact that he had no idea what daily life was like and it was interesting that the granddaughter was really doing our best and sometimes she conspired against our mother because she was going along with her granny going along with what Granny wanted and and almost having We secrets and say let's not what he Mom with us so it shows how the family dynamic is really complicated and I know from talking to people is absolutely exhausting I think to the feelings of isolation I felt for modes daughter because I sense that the isolation and Sue It's that the relationship with your mother changes so dramatically and particularly when you want to share and when you need looked after that that's almost you have to almost sacrifice that oh you completely sacrifice I had cancer in the middle of my mom's Simon and I had then just say I can't tell her I really can't tell it because if I tell her she'll cry and be upset and then be really paid food fight minutes later to have completely forgotten and it's not her fault so you have a very very different relationship now you've lost the mother that you had but in my case I we were lucky because Mum wasn't aggressive she she was remarkable actually in terms of still being able to kind of interact with us but we also laugh a lot as a family so we all our default position was if it's terrible then just laugh and admitted that there anyway that's why the film was still painful it's always painful you lose you've lost your your relative my mum had gone and she didn't know who I was somehow we managed to continue laughing about the fact she had a clue who we were there and we decide all shut up mom or family we love you is it important to use humor to think in terms of coping with a condition listen I wouldn't dare to say what's important to what's not you find your way you just find your own way and in our case it was humor was a sort of default position and I think a lot of people hated the film we got hate mail because we were ruled. Just in the way we did it we were tough with her we laughed a lot we loved her a lot but you know we were nice all the time and people hated that so you know you can't see you find you we of dealing with it we found our way and lots of people find really helpful and useful but lots of people hated it do you think there's anything at drama can do that perhaps a documentary can in that case yeah because there are a drummer I mean there were moments in that I I can of kind of went like that because it was saw paid for the scene at the bus when Mord realizes that her daughter and she no longer recognized her. Even because my mum had done that and it's really sore but the thing is I think really outsiders is quite often more painful for the people around the person without saying I was once the kind of are very confused they're kind of in a little world of their own and the trick is just to make as much fun and as loving as possible and not let your pain and your grief overwhelm you too much if you can do it but it's not easy. To do an important is it for people to watch this kind of drama and indeed any documentary and terms of understanding what it is because until you get in there you probably just have this idea you visualize what people with Alzheimer's likely to be like I would certainly recommend that people watch this particular drama because I think it is absolutely authentic and it's painful and it shows that for the past and with the manger there is peace in knowing that you're losing a grip on things and those moments of clarity are extremely uncomfortable and you can tell that because that's what people tell you what feeds back to them I passionately avoid all of fiction our own and dementia because it's such an easy thing for people to write about without really understanding the truth the we is ensues documentary because she was living through the time it was in real time and I get frustrated when people say oh you must read. That's because the book because that really helps you understand I mean sure because in fact it doesn't that I've been films with maybe a one sided view of dimension everyone says that's what it is but it isn't really so in a sense that differs from one person to the next it differs from one person to the next but this particular film I think usher in a richer understanding of infection than I've ever seen me I would agree I think also Glenda Jackson is a wonderful actor and I think it was that went to vacillates between remain bring that this is her daughter and then suddenly she's a complete stranger but she does it very as almost in a stealth a way and you're caught up in it but I suppose if you've as you said you've experienced that and that can be quite quite harsh quite brutal when it when you're reminded that that is an everyday reality for people how do you where do you go when you're faced with something like that you just have a is have a deep intake of breath and get on with it I mean I watched it the other night just for as going to see my daughter and I was a bit. Because it just brought it all back the way I dealt with it as I said I mean we just we laughed it didn't mean it was wasn't terribly painful but if you for me again this is for me not for other people for me if I gave in to the pain of it I wouldn't have been able to cope with it do you think making the documentary about your own mother's experience of dementia helped you was that a healing in that you know it was painful because of the hate mail we got the reason I did it was because a lot of people in their relative Simers they feel they've lost them forever I felt wholly and I'd managed to do as we'd find a different way of being with mum and we were having fun and we were making the most of the time that we had with this person who wasn't you she had been before and that's why I decided I wanted to do it and it won the film won going to mental health awards because there were loads of people who said this really had. Does deal with our own relatives them an Alzheimer's or dementia but you know for other people it didn't because it wasn't the way they wanted to deal with it so it is Did it help me was he doing Holly and I now have a record of my mom and occasionally we've watched it with her and we just have a laugh because we remember her because she was a character she became a character in the film and it kind of it's a little tribute to us in that sense I think it was for us a good thing to do we have a wonderful record of those last few years together I think we also have to remember that irrespective of how people are and how they behave and especially in combat with the family that their dignity must always be preserved Jane have important is that any specially in portrayals like this what dignity is massively important and that was one of the criticisms that was made of Sue's film that it was undignified to show her mother in these difficult situations I get really frustrated at the way people try to sanitize the view of dementia so that when you yourself in your own family have something that is really undignified is really difficult you know your dad uses sweetie words or says sexually inappropriate things to your neighbor or your friend you think oh God this is ours this is just heaven but in reality what people are like when they have dementia sometimes is really really difficult and I like the fact that the film didn't sanitize it but recognize there are some people in whose interest is to try and make it seem smooth and to try and give an impatient in order not to be frightening in order not to destroy hope I think sometimes a deuce of reality is really helpful for the people who are living through it because they think is this this is what I am experiencing this is usual and it's different for everybody but the feeling of days but he is usual and also an understanding of how frustrating it must be to be more to be absolutely certain something awful is happening in tell everybody apparently ignoring you this isn't meaningless. Violence when she bangs on a wall this is Harper a real woman responding to fight the nobody's listening that's powerful thank you both very much indeed professor and Suporn Elizabeth this missing is so next Sunday that's the 8th of December on b.b.c. One at 9 pm and on Thursday the 5th of December Grant Stokes will be talking to star Glenda Jackson and righted Andrea Gabe who adapted Emma Heelys bestseller for the b.b.c. Coming up a look at the life of a Westminster chaplain thoughts have to the news but taking us there and secret and strangers. a. On digital radio f.m. Medium wave Army p.b.c. Sounds b.b.c. Radio Scott. The b.b.c. 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