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Later on tonight 8 pm kickoff a Sheffield United This is awesome if it is your station and this is 5 life. And this is a full night of Dawson at a bar coming up in this hour polls open in Canada's general election later today with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at risk of losing power as it's got anything to do with blackface. Newseum New Zealand where they cause a drain on the rugby news inverses island in the quarterfinals gun owners they're also trying to pressure politicians and warning that they could form a voting bloc for next year's election one political party or another will be tempted to call their votes which will undermine gun load changes following the Christ Church mass shooting there was a deliberate see why one of the biggest media companies suddenly announced plans to sell its t.v. Operation and we've got tips on the best podcast available. Ever the government says it's pressing ahead with efforts to get them breaks a deal passed this wake in parliament despite Boris Johnson having the fools to send a letter to Brussels asking for another delay number 10 said the prime minister sent poly events led to Brussels which was on signed and accompanied with a 2nd letter which was signed explaining why the prime minister believed the delay would be a mistake labor however said it will back amazed to produce the deal to referendum Meanwhile the European Council president Donald Tusk will spend the next few days canvassing e.u. Leaders on whether they want to offer another break the leg pool Keaveney is program leader for Politics at Edgehill University in Lakisha So a pool a key. If we have any idea what the coming week may bring so many things that could actually happen all we've got got the Queen's Speech vote coming up at the end of the debate on the Queen's speech then the vote is normally a formality but it's possible the government will lose that that going to table their withdrawal bill then there's going to be all sorts of amendments table to that and it's up to the speaker which amendments are accepted and then they'll have to be a decision made about the timing of the debates on the bill on that's another thing that could be amended or affected by opposition M.P.'s So the show tells us your question is is completely unpredictable at the moment are we any clarity on if we will leave. Next week because we're scheduled to do recordings of the government what I think is looking very very unlikely because the business with the deal so we have to have a deal if having a deal with the e.u. The e.u. Has to accept it and the European Parliament has to accept it as well and there's a limited number of opportunities for the European Parliament to do that so if the opportunity of this week is missed We're bumping into November anyway and certainly I think it's highly unlikely that the amount of legislation that needs to be processed can be got through between now on the protest of up it's a handful of days isn't it and you know what we're seeing really from Opposition M.P.'s at the moment is that there's an increasing willingness to table amendments for example on having a 2nd referendum on a customs union and this all takes time. But the government keeps insisting that we are going to leave on the subject. Well the government has to insist on it and I think if I was both Johnson I would be thinking Ok if we don't leave then people have seen me saying I'm determined to leave I won't be blamed for that the people who will be blamed will pay Paul months will be opposition and pace so I actually I still maintain my position of taking this out of the European Union and then when I go into an election people will say that I've been standing out for the referendum on the problem is caused by all these other people so the next election whenever it is cold it will be listen more than sitting in that referendum if you like Well as I suspect the house work is being hopeful about the problem with saying that is that the forgeries and I wanted in 27 change remember when she called the election a really it was to sort out the exit and not seem very sensible until all these other issues started popping up so I don't think we can find a even at this stage that this election will be just about Rex it but I think it will be more about Bracks it than previously and even walleye it will be a pile this business of what people want to what people get siloed the conservatives will be thinking we're going to go into this election cycle we won't we want to deliver what you all saw look at these are the parties that are stopping that will be the law and we will be about bricks but it will be multiplying out this people versus Paul of an issue is there a way in this not completely stupid question so Francis that me down but. I'm used to it believe me way that the government can simply say also. As symbolically at least we've left the European Union but it's just you know not symbols to get through acim. Even though the present counted sealed the specific. Obligations to get through before we leave otherwise but essentially spirit surely symbolically we've left that could be a very pale message and that was the fine case even though almost. Everything has been down there would still be negotiating trade agreements for the next 2 or 3 years so when there are a few men we leave whatever we do believe there will be more to do so the government can always make that all demand surely we rarely damage and sales nearly deliver so I actually we can all celebrate all commiserate that this has happened so I suspect I could use that message I don't think Boris Johnson is as well our age date shifting as people would have a spill a vase I think he has a very clear message which is that he is the one standing up for this and it is people who are slowing him down and actually the more he gets obstacles in his why the more he gets lie down the stronger his actual message becomes so this is why I think he will keep repeating he will keep repeating the state you pull Keaveney the program lead to 5 bullets he said university one can ship Powell's open in Canada's general election late today with Prime Minister Justin Judah at risk of losing power are opposed to man cave is gittin deceived just into just remind us who are just in to group from power as snippets of last few ways. Hello well in the heady days post election or 4 years ago he was the poster boy of progressive values he was on the cover of Rolling Stone with the with the caption Why can't he be our president but he was always going to face that challenge of a very dramatic turnaround from the previous conservative government he had quite a lot of He'd promised but there was going to be a challenge in delivering all of that and he very rapidly came into some very troubled waters with be Canada's relations with Saudi Arabia with true the newly reelected President Trump who wanted to renegotiate tariffs and China eventually and the critics critics say that his key promise is that he's not delivered aside from foreign policy problems he promised action on climate change but in fact he bought a pipeline this is the. Highly controversial pipeline which brings all sounds from Alberta in the interior to the coast here in British Columbia he promised electoral reform he said the elation of 2015 will be the last with the 1st past the post system that he couldn't get across party support so he dropped the idea altogether for the plan that he wanted and he promised reconciliation with 1st Nations with Canada's indigenous population he commissioned lots of reviews reports commissions but he failed to deliver many 1st Nations people feel on the big promises that he made and then of course the big political scandal s.n.c. Love alone which in which montréal Industrial of accused of paying bribes abroad was due to be investigated and he was found guilty. Introduce was found guilty of violating violating Canada's conflict of interest act by putting pressure on his own officials including ministers to somehow temper that investigation and then to cap it all we had what would be in any political situation in any country and I was wholly astonishing scandal that black face fiasco which was only a month ago now shocked and embarrassed many in his own party and. Has sent shock waves around the world quite frankly whether that was the scandal of am being seen in photographs from a few years ago not that long ago having said that just before us because last time I was in Mr sorry the last one was well yeah the last one was 2001. And he was black face basically painted his face black in a sort of you know stereotypically mocking of black brown people as well Ok how much of that loss because as embarrassing if nothing else but the other issues that you mentioned. The policy issues that people might vote for him or against him or how much of the loss of power is due to those other issues prior or how much of it is due to this candid about the Black Crowes. Well what's quite surprising really in relation to the blackface. Scandal is that he seems to have weathered the storm now he the conservative opposition in opposition and the liberals were neck and neck at the start of the election campaign and guess what they're absolutely in a dead heat at the end of the campaign so and so much of the debate that subsequently happened here has been really about policy issues there's been relatively little by way of promises made by any of the main political parties on what they would deliver and a huge amount of mudslinging you know the sort of. Attacking each other's plans programs you know claims that people are making up. Other people's platforms and programs so and the bloody face scandal which which was so shocking actually to many people within the Liberal Party. Here in Canada many he embarrassed he was forced to apologize to his own black and ethnic minority ministers and M.P.'s and indeed to the opposition main another one of the opposition leaders judgement saying of the n.d.p. Just remind. You go to the polls under new road seeing laws what exactly is judged. Yeah this is rather interesting actually so candidates have. Implemented a number of reforms making it easier to vote so there were 4 advance polling days last weekend from Friday to Monday and an estimated 4800000 people voted now given that the total vote of voting the number of people eligible to vote here is 2700000 sorry 27000000 that's that's a really big chunk Also you can register at your polling station on Election Day You just have to turn up with the right id Now that's pretty much. As far as parliamentary democracies are concerned around the world if you have no fixed abode all no documents someone else can vouch for you you just have to turn up with another registered voter who's registered to vote at the same polling station. Also expect Canadians can vote regardless of how long we've been living abroad an issue which I'm sure would. Make a lot of the people who are unable to vote in the referendum in the u.k. Rather envious and I did go to drugs over a week but I. Had a you have to be a Canadian citizen Yeah and then there are other sort of issues around for an unfair of elections which were introduced. Recently which sort of toughened up a system where we get a result. So the results will start to come in at around 4 am tomorrow morning the election goes on for for several hours Canada's vast country 6 time zones huge geographic distances thousands of polling stations tens of thousands thousands of postal workers of the election workers so it's a pretty momentous exercise but they start to get their votes through rather quickly through here at 3 am tomorrow the polls close in the last. Time Zone and then around 4 am we start to get the vote results works perfectly for up to speak to them as well just in the For now thanks to emerge in the city to the event let's catch up with the week's news news either with Colin Peacock who is. Now you going to get on fine Don And you very well phones for emerge as the rugby truth. It has been treating us very well indeed 2 days on from the quarterfinal majored in style and then it was highly anticipated we always would be in such a rugby made country is New Zealand but of course our final poll game just like England's one against France was cancelled because of. New Zealand did not get to play Italy last week so rugby fans were itching for a game and that the team too evidently after 2 weeks off and it was supposed to be a close one and Joe Schmidt the Irish New Zealand born coach man who has a lot of respect here but in the end the young All Black team really thrashed Ireland I think was 4614 in the in but it could have been a big imagine. New Zealand rugby supporters very happy and very confident of that Simeon against England next one and indeed before you get your covers much you know the England coach says he's got a secret plan and you know anything about that you know what it is. I don't think he Jones will be revealing as a secret plan although he has actually been in. Touch with Steve Hansen the All Blacks coach parity the pair of them swapped ticks me said just before their quarter final games they're supposed to be friends but I mean I know it is Jones is a guy that rubs people up the wrong way but Steve Hansen put on record that he really admires Eddie Jones not not just because of his record with the Wallabies without question before. But also what he Jones did coaching Japan in the last World Cup and that astonishing miracle of Brighton which they couldn't quite repeat beating said Africa 4 years ago but not in the quarter final this past weekend Stevenson said Jones did an amazing job with Japan then that's been carried on now and now with the England team the England performance I think was pretty similar to New Zealand's one against Ireland they had you know 2 tier one countries both of them on good form New Zealand and England meeting a challenge from. Ireland and a straight respectively but both cases they were they were clinical and they were they were completely on top so next weekend's game really is going to be a question of the Titans stuff after the crows juge massacre you do through the last thing a politician would do would be to have themselves photographed carrying a gun. Of the trigger happy minister. And they are not just in the selfsame or a replica of the self-same weapon that the Christchurch gunmen used and has attacked now this is. In a way it's a funny story but obviously not funny we've talked before on up all night about New Zealand's seamy automatic gun ban after the Christchurch mosque massacre and the buyback scheme so they're trying to persuade In some cases grumpy and resentful gun owners to hand back these weapons because they will be again to be against the law to possess one by the end of this year and so yes government ministers certainly should not be going on holidays to Thailand and photographing themselves and then putting it on Facebook. Firing one of these weapons for fun and that's exactly what Shane Jones did you know if you were to say to a news room look a minister was gone and undermined the government's gun ban policy by photographing himself shooting at me automatic weapon on holiday they would say Don't tell me let me guess it's change owns isn't it and sure enough it was this guy is a very experienced politician he was actually formally a minister with the current ruling Labor government he lifts politics and then rejoined the Mynah Paddy the holds the balance of power here in New Zealand truest and he's had a reputation as a bit of a maverick but really I mean the pictures are terrible he's an you know the holidays. That's holding up the. Sydney automatic rifle and holding up a picture of the target from the shooting range he was there with all the holes near the center very proud of himself and of course this has absolutely no message to seen when when the government is trying to persuade people with weapons that they've only got until the same of the 20th to hand the back all the breaking the law. The prime minister's. Displeasure about. She has and she's had to say look you know change and has a reputation for ever it behavior she said I cannot police and I will not police what members of other Patti's are slightly distancing herself from Shane Jones in the New Zealand shows Patty that I can't police what they do on holiday but she said the important thing here is that he expresses her support absolutely for our policy on guns and the change of law because every single in pay out of 120 voted for this change or one who's a standalone member of a one man Patty that has sort of libertarian tendencies so changes came out and said look absolutely I backed this policy didn't even know the gun I was firing he said very young and convincingly you don't really know what the semiautomatic weapons are on more of a shot gun guy and that didn't really help him to the scandal but he has reaffirmed that he supports the band but. Here's the thing as it currently has Patty New Zealand is having its annual conference and attracted a crowd of about 120 odd absolute gun owners who protested outside the party's conference about the party's support for the policy they're saying there are better 150000 odd registered respectable Laura Biden gun owners who don't like the fact that they've been caught up in the change of law and their votes they say up for grabs at the next election now this is a patty New Zealand 1st that hovers around a 5 percent mac if you get 5 percent of the popular vote you get representation on Parliament so that's what this party depends upon so that the worrying thing is that come next year when the general elections on that a political party in New Zealand 1st or another one could use this kind of cranky anti or Thora Tyrian shared anger of the so-called gun lobby to have a vote and undermine the gun policy and that really isn't what we need but we're trying to get these guns off the streets we've heard so little about the cries juge . The cries to. Trial the trial the round the trials churches. It's gone quiet a little bit it's not going to be for some months yet there was. A push by the legal team for the accused to have the trial moved out of the city but that the trial actually will take place in Oakland next year and the the worrying thing the thing everyone was trying to avoid was that the accused and his even his supporters might use this is some sort of rallying point or that he would be able to make statements and have images go around the world and they were looking at the experience of Norway with and as brave as can his trial where he was making salutes and giving gestures in court indeed at the very 1st court appearance of the accused in this case he made a couple of hand gestures were hands were cuffed in front of them and the photographs of the around the world so it's been very closely. Trolled in all the court appearances he's made. He's made 2 appearances in court but at other hearings he's actually appeared on the Live from prison so no opportunity for him to grandstand on the court and that's the thing that's really bothering people but the original court date actually would have fallen during the month of Ramadan so they decided to push it back a little bit so it's a holding pattern now and actually it's no bad thing of things quiet for a time and there's not not so much focus on this trial thanks for calling Peacock the. 5 Love had loads. On digital b.b.c. Salads are speaking. B.b.c. 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About a thing else where as we go through the afternoon take a look at your temperatures I just got one for Northern Ireland and for northern England highs of 9 to 12 degrees the rest of England have who are also looking at highs of 11 to 14 degrees any bit of mist and from developing positing the wilds to the experiment make notified life of the last live sports here at least can get in the Champions League. To play in Munich. Only sees a night sky turned things around when a cyclone take off against red some Belgrade is your full station and this is 5 life is time to go put up now with old cause of focus on popular culture and here with these choices is the Daily Telegraph speak Norton It's a bit of a broad church popular culture Yeah I mean it's I've taken it to mean sort of things that are in the 21st century that might be on t.v. Pop music and kind of in this like Geist and this is something that cost house being poring over since the very early days of the medium is not costing really suits it's pop culture analysis because you can you can really kind of get under the bonnet of a topic you've got lots of space to explore. These moments and issues and you can also bring in audio from you know clips from t.v. Shows clips from maybes out when you when you consider pop culture within the context of a podcast you're talking about the analysis of pop culture rather than the eggs purgation you know the performance or otherwise but yet it fits with a selection of shows they're all looking and analyzing pop culture that's exactly right Ok let's start off with a top top culture if you see what I mean a musical one I see can you West's name pop pop the 1st one that you want to talk about right so this is the show called switched on Pop which is presented by a music ologist called Night Sloane and a song watching Charlie are doing and they're both American They're both very smart and. No there are new inns in terms of. Actual nuts and bolts of how music is made but and in this show they they really pull apart different. Questions and thought provoking issues about pop music so some of the talking points of how this is Can us the closest thing the 21st century has had to The Beatles one direction the modern day equivalents of Castro artsy. Why do so many songs feature musicians screaming I and the list goes on to give you a sense of how they kind of do this in which sound design. Is talking the hosts through the process of musical mastery here's something that I've been thinking about a lot but 1st I want to start with an example so I want you to tell me which one of these 2 examples sound better to you so here's one. So the 1st one. So now take a listen to the 2nd version of this let me know you think Ok. Do you have any overall thoughts do you hear any differences between the 2 you know Dallas My initial reaction is that and I'm I'm not going to necessarily have the vocabulary here but the 2nd example you played sounds like juicy or it sounds thicker it sounds deeper it makes my head nod with that much more intensity you know what's going on here so nothing is different other than I turn the 2nd one up but all of what you said is exactly the phenomenon that is totally appropriate in our ears or weird and they react to things in different ways so everything that you hear you said is absolutely accurate let's run that back one more time because that's blowing my mind Ok can we listen to the 1st example again let's do it. And the 2nd. That's wild it kind of listens like I'm listening to different song but you're telling me that all the changes that you've up to the volume of the 2nd example in the 2nd example as to decibels louder so what musical phenomenon. And are we dealing with right now that's a little example of how our ears hear the world slightly differently what it means is that our ears don't necessarily hear everything exactly as the world presents them you know we kind of know that dogs can hear really high pitches and you know that our are hearing kind of gets the top end of our hearing kind of goes away with age but we can hear super low frequencies but there's slopes in there too and so by turning it up just a little bit you hear a little more bass you hear a little bit more trouble it sounds a little bit more full and it kind of tricks your ears a little bit so that switch on top the 1st of all put calls conversations this morning it does sound you want to hear an argument from me on this because you know this is right up my street but it does sound like this is a pod costs for and they're x. You know the cognizant if you like. Yeah I think that's true and that's I mean that's something that we find costs very brutally. Shows often occupy nation rather than looking to have a really broad mainstream and study that show you it's people who want to know yet what's going on and the ideas behind these sick so they make their own apologetic about that fair enough and pop music is an art form so you know if it was a painting if it was like a conversation about the old must is nobody would complain about you know a conversation about technique for example which happened 3 destroys the pleasures of the mode Elisa Frankie right well I think that's something I guess very valid point with the show. Something. Like this these works if. They say that about coach you know we should talk about the. Intellectually as well as enjoy them why do female double x. Work well employed cos I think double x. Generally work well and costs there's something about the kind of you know having having people spars each other and bounce ideas of each other that just really suits the media and I often find if you get you know company three's a crowd certainly in a cost I find shows up for voices. Very hard to follow and I'm an annoying and some of my favorite shows you know you come out in Mayo type shows have a double act and. There's just something kind of. Cheese and pickle about it I go to a show day with a female double act Pandora Sykes and all the older 10 who are both very successful British journalists and also and they start up cost together in the early 20 teens called the pound only Paul cost and that came to an end and they then put up a show called the high low which has been an absolute blockbuster success as $1.00 of the biggest costs in the u.k. And the idea of the show is that they want to build spoke about highbrow and lowbrow culture in the same breath in the same at the start candidly this show is not it's not a mainstay of my own listening but so many people I know especially young women I know swear by that swear by this book cost and I think it's an interesting example of it's very informal it's most episodes just have a sense of it's them sitting around a kitchen table talking even the sound quality of it kindly from somebody makes because myself the sound quality is very homemade feeling they don't they're not closely Mike. But like I say it's and it's a huge hit and I think they're the content of the show is very sharp and they pack a lot into every episode to give you a sense of the sort of vibe of it is a clip from a recent episode where they're talking about Prince Harry's we submitted to the media about the media's treatment of his wife Megan. I do you not understand the conversations around me and when I was in America. Last week what we carry on the last. My American publisher is talking to some people who worked at my workbench they said it's a really similar conversation it's happening in the us i just don't think they have to get it they said that there's still this light. That there's still this antagonism towards her and and a sense of judgment in being above one station or something I did I deny it's so weird to me because I have 0 opinion. Which is why it is so obvious to me that this has to be racially motivated because why else would a group of people dislike a woman so then they who says like the most innocuous things and where series of luck innocuous stresses and yet she think the way people talk about who's being a psych highly divisive think I just don't stand it yeah I think that's really interesting and I want to come back to that but I found the responses on Saturday from the old God quite funny and also just really predictable and maybe what you said about funny is shocking terrible talking like this lots of them have found this too emotional outbursts for all just possibly part of the problem I think is that from the day that you know they're not real humans yeah the royal biographer penny you know bustled this feels to me like an over emotional somewhat and advised outburst most extraordinary I just find it hilarious most extraordinary for me but it's also safe coming out to defend the mother if your child read your wife against the psych every day obese and in the public arena as if that's this like total norms of behavior just like it makes no sense. Yes and it's all going to kickoff of calls after the broadcast of the Duchess of Sussex is interview with i.t.v. To count the morning papers all this week that conversation sounds again like an analysis of popular journalism maybe Sure I mean and they they skip between topics very adroitly on the show so though in that particular episode they talk about. The fact that Pizza Express is going under they took. They talk about Jason Donovan's time as a firefighter but you are so it's quite kind of small the sport of different pop culture topics they take on is it about them though is it about them and their chemistry because. Just listening to that I can't hear v. It's not originality I can't hear but that's not important as much as the. The compulsion to listening can if you like I think so yeah people I know he loves the show talk about really feeling like they are part of a conversation with friends and isn't in formality to it but your comments your the 3rd person at that table as a listener and that's for sure and they both have huge followings under and Ali They also Piers Morgan and pitchfork and called them bring posh girls talking jibberish which I think they both quote that on their websites it's all about you Paula. Yes So would I so good. Decoder ring What's that about so this we're going to hop across the Atlantic for this one this is a show made by slight who as you I'm sure know are a very well respected American online publishing you do a lot different book costs and this is the show that they make about pop culture but it's. This is an example of a more highly produced nonfiction story selling the cost of the kind of in the classic American mode sent to. Ask him and each episode looks different pop cultural phenomenon. Kind of unpacks from come into being so we've got a clip. From a show which was examining a fire all music about a year ago Jonathan Wright a d.j. And a children's musician who goes by the stage name Johnny only started getting strange comments on his You Tube page I don't read my youtube comments very much but I did start seeing comments they brought out there like you're you know these comments refer to a song Johnny often performed for toddlers and that he had posted on You Tube in 2011 it came with a video that he'd recorded with his kids and his sister's kids pool. To. This song was perfect for a 3 year olds it is simple lyrics and off repeated chorus and hand motions that corresponds to each verse of the song which little kids I knew Mike my kids well enough that I knew that was going to be ahead before I even recorded it you know the song did well for Johnny but it wasn't massively popular or anything it's 810-0002 but it was an important part of the show. And then he started to get those comments and I'd go to look for it within father's verse of. This song is called baby shark and that version comes from the South Korean children's entertainment company pink funk. If you don't have a little kid or know a little kid or know a little kid's parents you may. Not know this song that's about to change unlike Johnny's version this version of baby shark is extremely extremely popular as of this recording it's been viewed over 2300000000 times it is beloved by small children. That by the way is one of my small children singing it but it has also been performed on talk shows all over the world tweeted about by famous people and inspired a viral video dance challenge. And it's been performed by celebrities he's welcome so he turned on each. Student shot and inspired countless covers in different genres. In January 2019 baby shark even debuted on the Billboard Hot 100 or has been as high as number 32 in other words baby shark is a top 40 hit and that like all of this is not normal for a song whose target audience just stopped wearing diapers. Ok I'll be frank it's really good it's really really good but I couldn't help thinking of serial throughout that why well I guess as a consistent female no writer I mean that is very much in the This American March stylus you know that you have an informal narration mixed in with various quips which sort of move the story along illustrates it so yes it is you know there's no good way to start this out of American shows and I know it's a struggle isn't it yeah and it would seem you know I'm not being described about it oh I do get my hands time what was news investigative in a way even though. This is less jeopardy if you like you know talking about pop songs. In this way it's not about an unsolved double unresolved murder for example it's it's it's about pop music you think Well Ok but because of that star Oh. I suppose for me it's like you know after Elvis Presley's Heartbreak Hotel every other singer male singer for the next 5 years you'd reference with Elvis Presley but a lot of them sounded like him let's be frank and it becomes like that you think Ok at some point we will have had enough of all these Elvis copies and Elvis himself indeed. How far away are we from that moment. Have we reached peak This American Life but cost style I was afraid Good question I don't think I don't see any signs of it coming to an end. But I think one thing I certainly feel as somebody listens to a lot Prakash in Mexico cos is that we are in the early days of the medium and there's something exciting about knowing that there will be new and different styles image it's kind of like the early days of rock n roll where we haven't yet found punk or jazz fusion but I feel like they're in the pipe Oh come way that go away I go away and just just to confirm that you're paying attention how does the baby show. Baby shocked. You know just checking jerky. This mirror for free oh the kids of today poor they're going to start life with a huge worm in the ear. Rule of 3 is the 4th of your broadcast suggestions this morning yes so this is a bit more of a simple kind of sit down roundtable conversation Show sent by 2 comedy writers Jason hastily and Joe Morris and each episode they talk to another comedian or person who makes comedy about something funny they love so could be a t.v. Show a film book an album or a comic and these going to shows always live and die on the quality of I guess and these guys have got clearly a very good Rolodex full of people who they've been known to invite on that had everyone from Charlie Brooker miles chop brain and we've got a clip here of Super Kings talking them through how lots of This Is Spinal Tap It's a perfect comedic piece in my opinion it's everything about it is is beautiful it passes down a door has been opened a lot since which is it does feel a lot of that happen more commenters before but it does. Defined. And perfected a form has been done again since but no when it was well over don't get is something brilliant about it and I was trying to think what it is I think is that it's really well directed and the thing about this is Rob Reiner opens up in the 1st going you me is the director of multiple noticed every time we respond to anything at all I noticed today he can't cross his own I've never noticed but he keeps drawing your failing us up like a man who's not meant to be in front of the camera it's subtle stuff you know it's over 26 years but it's out that he says hey I'm a film director you go this is about film and Christopher Guest who oversees on the big going to happen is part of the the heir to the most made loads of films none of which have quite known to the only do of the crew and the director in the film maker as much they love the characters in that what's great about it is it's about making a film about making for most of your love and front and center is the form in the shape of it in a way that most employers action is about people enjoying performing you won't ever find a better backstage scene than the scene where Nigel is trying to get a large circular piece of ham on a small. And there is there is an incredible there's this guy this is incredible joy brow it's about that sequence but actually what I love watching it again and again is is that you say it's the direction of the backstage mayhem there are people there extras not being extras you know so where the role of the extra in most films but there it feels I've been in a 1000000 dressing rooms and green rooms and stayed there my passion that's the only film where I've seen the same space represented faithfully as an old thing to see to it that not only the truth in the performances in the acting but also just in saying this is what I want one of us are always heavy metal fun this is a glimpse behind the code. And you want to know about and the little details and no one else will get right unless they knew about that world about the world of touring these going to been in bands when one of the key was in a band called The Left Banke door and come by there he supported John Denver again they know this stuff means little they said oh when when Christopher Guest is was wandering through the hotel suite playing his electric guitar unplugged. Everyone I knew at school played there looked at the Tom pluck because you can't pick a target in order that most part are like a cheese grater was the sound of my teenage and I've never heard it on film before what they want bigger than sounds like and it's the cheering up and it's cool and it's a nervous twitch fiddling So it's you know so the Nigel it's the bends it's a constant sort of pentatonic scale with the bends in it for you to perform as a comedy performance it's pacing and running lines or but there's that sort of fibroid also a weird intensity is so perfectly sort of configured in that film it's it's it's quite some are saying yeah interesting I mean you can listen to all day card you. Know if you seen the film Spinal Tap You know probably about how well known the people talking about it is because you get locked into the story very quickly and I mean I love Super Kings don't get me wrong but actually very the story is big and the messengers of the story right and I mean both the hosts of the show they always come prepped with a lot of background and reading and knowledge because of their conversation with Tippett So it's how the making of the backstage anecdotes and all that kind of stuff I mean the one Chris and I have that they have a habit interrupting that yes more than I would like them to certain mansplaining ups on that show. Yeah you know it but especially if you know you can see the back that locks it ones where you you know that this thing that I talking about there's a great episode with Charlie Brooker talking about the film airplane which I've really enjoyed as well and it's it's a good day or so about an hour long and that always fun you picked up on an important thing though interrupting your guest I get criticized for that sometimes oh my hands up I think it's slightly different in the kind of a terrestrial radio format because you need to move things on you know you talk about several different things and sometimes I guess. Can Live radio format I should have said you know guests can deliberate a little bit too much will go off shore off piste a little bit too much where is in a podcast you've got the time and space to allow the guest to do their thing and if anything edited out afterwards why would you interrupt them right. Totally agree and my favorite cost interview people like Mark Marilyn and Terry Gross American radio and book last I state they manage that very well they really just let that guest talk. Here we go when we're giving lessons in how to make a podcast series one somebody should pay us for this you know. You could actually. Ok time for me to was she which of the pod cars that you recommended today is your top choice I'm going to go for 3 actually. I feel like it's you know it's not a it's not a high cost its production value. As a podcast and it doesn't really find job it does what it says on the tin and middle class arrives at the yes. They were all good for me they were all good but I'm also going to go through 3 not least because a pick that's often on this occasion that I can talk for England on and by the way the funniest scene for me as a former a music journalist in this one is when they have the launch of their album in the United States is some record store and nobody shows up and the Asian. Kid kick my ass now going no no. No no no no come on no it's my kid. Because that really is how the music industry was full of the artists they are the gods and somebody lower down the food chain is completely responsible for the Mall of the world. This.

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