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And the 5 live weather today a mixture of sunshine and heavy thunder showers will spread to most parts of the U.K. They have a shower in northwest England the Midlands and windy in the south with a chance of gales on the coast in London today of 21 degrees. Just. The final grand slam of the. Race for the drivers' championship. In this hour of the program in a memorable see will bring you the latest from California 24 hours from the shooting story that we told you about last night as it was. We'll have the latest from there is news of what exactly happened at the garlic festival in Gilroy California emerges. On the spike in the tiger population in India one of the conservation is done right there that is seen increasing numbers of his . Tigers to an endangered species we'll hear about the video of an Indian family who checked into a hotel room and left with as much of the room as they could get there and. Bring you news of the. To is simply out of this world. As a way of proving it's a metaphor you know what I mean just kids. Story though tonight. Says region now 2 story we 1st brought to you an awful night last night 3 people have been killed one of them a 6 year old boy and 15 others injured after a gunman attacked a food festival in California the gunman was shot dead by police shortly after he began firing over police are investigating reports that a 2nd suspect may still be at large the attack happened at the annual garlic festival in the small town of Gilroy which is about 80 miles south of San Francisco the annual event was taking place in a local park where according to the festival's website weapons of any kind banned the eyewitness told C.B.S. News what he saw the owner write by. Birth right and then you hear a link. That is. Very private about it but for the 50 yards from where we were police say officers were already on site in responded to the shooting in less than a minute as the Police Chief Scott Smith the it appears as if though they had come into the festival via the creek which borders a parking area. And they use some sort of a tool to cut through the fence to be able to gain access through the secure fence line. The governor of California has described the shooting is nothing short of her ific the U.S. President also tweeted about the incident urging people to be careful and safe Brianna sags is a reporter from Buzz Feed based in California who's been following events earlier I asked what the reaction had been in the state it's shocking and so about for those shooting at California. So it's you know it's just one of those things that same type of reaction from a community that how could this happen here. Or at a garlic festival that's you know family friendly and say Mason. Taught similar type of shock and horror and frustration vision some of the people who were and were close to what happened pretty much in shock they've been saying that as to what they saw. Well I I thought you know why but you know it's a lot of people you know it's a huge fuss of it is as I said very famous if the region it was the last day of the festival was really just kind of. Closing down so people were just wandering around a chilling use a can then that you know it just sounded like fireworks were going off and all decided people started running and. They you know people said that they they saw a gunman kind of dressed in camouflage shooting into a large crowd of people by the cleric and B. Music stage 2 was indiscriminate shooting. Yesterday randomly and to a strong of people that you know I spoke to the same camp that had just been playing their last encores following up to damn their classic rock band from San Jose which is about 30 miles away and they was playing there last off the base said they heard the shooting and that I thought Mick was shooting it too you know few 100 people by the paper and the stage in front of that are that the stage they were on front of them and 3 people died as a result of the shooting 3 people were good to them Children. Correct so 3 people the victims were all young. One who was a 6 year old boy is. And that they're identified later on the day of a year old girl and her. Her name it was Caleb and then a college that one of its graduates Trevor Irby was also a victim and she was I think in his twenty's is what the police said earlier today what do we know about the shooter for this. We still don't know a motive you know we do know that the shooter police said had been living in the vat of which family. Recently I am asked how he bought the weapon which isn't a case doubt I take a very different styles. Rifle and lot of details and if they've got it I thought of it to California grew up in the area and Jim had stamped his well though as you know what this is close that family has there there is there is one of the very accomplished athletes a boxer and their want to of like was a good student the father was also. A runner and that they're just as a a solid family in the community and Gilderoy and she too was 19 years old. Correct yes he was 19 a day old and the. Shooting happened very quickly you know it was the attack was kind of over maybe a minute or so. After it started the 3 pulleys officers engage the suspect and. You know it took him down all the other quickly so please crediting those officers responded with You know it could have been a lot lot worse when one minute the police on to you see that had chills him. Yeah they engage us like they had pants down and within a minute you know they will patrolling the festivals the suspect the student God made a go through a creek area is the back like using cutters to cut the fat so that's how they missed him because it was off to through the barrier that you know they. Were officers on hand he says that it wasn't like there was lax security or anything he stuck in. And the authorities that. Love lives can imagine that how many people were injured 3 people killed coming to bring gas about 15 others through were injured in a few been released today from hospital to area hospitals and their injuries injuries Berry range from fair to put a call. And the organizes of the citizen who everybody is is in shock as I said the sensible it's like it's just a huge summer event it attracts you know hundreds and hundreds that under the people from all over in order California and so you know they're all right in the chest thinking that this family pops family focus. Like that of things you know people from all over the top or to try to do something like this but it's the same. Job resiliency is that you know they will let this this person really is your. Next record so there it is their value you don't have it again next year and that you did not let this case something that is there important to the affair Brianna Sachs the reporter for Buzz Feed birds think of a phone or some good news now out of India which is home to nearly 3000 tigers while that still do tiny fraction of the number of tigers who roamed across India in the last century it does represent a rapid growth in the target population over the last 5 years India's net is to Maiti to be home to around 70 percent of the world's Tigers prime minister. Presented the findings on Monday said India is now one of the biggest and most secure habitats of the tiger Well let's cross live to Delhi in speed to billin the right she's the executive director of the Wildlife Protection Society event via Belinda this is really good news isn't it is it's amazing how they do and I'm staggered Well you know it's really it is sort of positive results that have come out of a conservation investment for over 45 years and I think I think the key to it is that we now have and this is I mean the increase is quite recent We now have 50 Tiger reserves covering and covering an area of over 71000 square kilometers so what we've got is is sort of this these critical Taika habitats which is safe now but tigers so they're multiplying they're breeding they take is a. You know they're very resilient and so on but for the. Heating they need a bit of space and everything else right and I think that's what's happened and they're also spilling out of some of these areas so you know there are still problems that is still poaching but amazingly these wonderful animals are. Doing while now and that's why we are with the count last half and in 2014 there were 2226 Tigers but the figure from 2018 show there 90000 $967.00 which is an increase of words about 30 percent increase the $33.00. Level mathematics I was doing. I didn't use a calculator. I mean is it safe to say that the tiger is not an endangered species any movement Oh no I mean India has you know 70 percent of the world. And you don't want all your eggs in one basket. But. No And we have a big problem still here we still lose about 100 tigers to coaching every year and you know despite what the honorable prime minister says. None of us are convinced that we have genuine genuine political will to secure a future for while tigers in India you know I was our environmental law was quietly being weakened and we have a lot of. What you call it lenient infrastructure intrusions So every time a dam is needed or a highway or a can that arrow or a new railway track or worst of all power lines it's put through critical wildlife habitat did you do Indians principally those people who live in those areas close to the tiger habitat do they see tigers as an asset. Well some do where there's tourism then yes they see it as an asset and and remember people you know worship the tiger they've lived I mean the local people have lived close to wild tigers. You know since the beginning of time but things are changing India is changing so you know people have access to mobile phones to television and so on so they're not as tolerant as as certainly that aren't as tolerant as they used to be and the other problem big problem which is I think you know conservationists conservations biggest challenge everywhere not just India is is human wildlife conflict it's really it's getting to a tipping point in India where we've seen some ghastly things happen in the last few weeks you know tigers being lynched you know beaten to death literally and that goes back to these linear inches and because every time you mess with the habitat and you destroy it in fragmented You know it it it it fuels. Conflict because the animals move away move out of the the protected areas. So if they're in the domain very subdued but if they go beyond them in the air as well as humans have to present themselves as well we are still talking of course the dangers of cars here but you know. We shouldn't actually be talking about tigers The point is we need these forests you know we need them to mitigate climate change protect our sources of water give us rain and fresh air the Tigers are just the guardians of those forests and all the animals and plants that live in their domain and if we don't you know if they if the government doesn't do a strictly hands off. You know it's no further the notifications only new infrastructure. You know we're in trouble in these A. Country of 1400000000 people and there's a tiny part of it which has this fabulous habitat and of course a fabulous animal but but we need those forests. We need places to live is rugged You know I mean if the population continues to be there would you do something is not to give it some point and. By the way yeah but it can't be that because otherwise it will die I mean it's I mean I'm living it unfortunately my my head offices here in Delhi and then many months. Where you have to wear the quadrant of gas masks I mean the pollution is dreadful in the west this time I'm I mean heavenly places but not not here. Would you have certain sorts of cable in the woods or you know them will be because we're we varied of. You haven't had to see very far in there it's a big it is a wide thing to do this but would you have the future of Chinese in India will be. Well I hope that we'll be able to to offer a future generations the possibility to get to get to know to see these absolutely gorgeous go plucking creatures I mean I've spent over 45 years working with wild tigers and I still get tears in my eyes when I when I'm watching one and it would be just gosh future generations would never forgive us if if you and I and and and everybody let them slip through our fingers they just wouldn't I did says once when I read a poem on air about. About the Tigers disappearing from there yeah it is heartbreaking because they are beautiful creatures absolute beautiful. Joy you get from being so close what's the one thing we should know about tigers Brylin is one thing we should all know about tigers. I guess that they're probably the most magnificent things on this planet because unlike other big cats like lions they don't going price this solitary except for when they're mating or bringing up the family. And so they hate this super being you know they have to be absolutely perfect and fit and everything because they this of divers and then they're. You know they they don't they can't rely on anybody else but themselves and I really find that awesome. When you just see one walk or kill anything it's just extraordinary that they're the most perfect I hate 6 a machine but living things and it is a remarkable that they've been able to help so many tiger I mean the 4th time this has happened but it's a it's a it's an incredible thing I mean it's they covered during this record it a tiger estimation not a census 104 over 147000 square miles of tiger range and they surveyed it in detail credible. I mean they're going to have to leave it there but thank you very much. Linda right there she's the executive director of the world life Protection Society of India would go rolled Tandon with us in Kolkata now to tell us a remarkable story the role has gone viral. I'm quite appropriately Datta money if you can the Tollygunge Club which was once run by Belinda Wright. Father Bob Wright many years and where she grow up and get this place I've built the tele gun club it was swamps that was marshland and apparently there was a few tigers that are roaming around here but the conversation this morning here is not about the tiger it's about this. Video of an Indian couple or an Indian family on holiday in Bali that has gone viral because in the video they are confronted as they leaping by the hotel staff who then go to their luggage and I'm like maybe me I don't know about you Dalton who does pinch a few of those cos met takes this shampoo 6 after they've taken it a little bit that had the head dry as some of the plant Paltz hang is basically everything that they could find in that room let's hear a little bit from that video I mean. HOLY a bit of a little bit of. Money you know you load of money I know you have a lot a lot in Germany you know I didn't pay this is no respect. You know that it's going to just a. Little bit late so for it to pray perhaps. It is and it's you know it started quite a debate here in India the person actually posted that video initially I called on the government to cancel their passports for bringing the whole country into absolute disgrace but it's down to 2 different debates Firstly what is it acceptable to take from a hotel room doctor and I mean what why are you allowed to tell because you know you're paying for the bill of the cost medics you know except simple once you go past that and stop pinching the towels I mean it's your home full of little bottles like mine is from various hotels from across the well you know it's not true. You know I think the cosmetic. Scratches. Leave stuff behind and I try to use what. You know noise from there for weeks rather used for where they make money or me go to those that make proper money or me. Well that's one debate they did people having at the moment the other one is the behavior of Indian tour abroad I mean recently a hotel in Switzerland which had a lot of tourists coming through had 2 sets of rules one for tourists generally and another one they felt was needed for the Indian tourist because of their behavior in the past the Indian government has even considered setting up classes so that people understand some of the cultural norms that may be different in the part of the world that Indians now with the huge amount of cash that some of them have and now traveling to it's an issue that I've been speaking to with one of the Indians leading columnists. I don't know when Indians go abroad they think at all about how it reflects on their country. To get do the most bang for their buck you know you have to remember when Indians are travelling abroad especially in the West in their head they are converting from dollars or euros to rupees and so they really feel that they must make the most of whatever they can give even if it's all the. Little packets of sugar on display and I have to say yes full disclosure you know I think my mother's cabinet is filled with soaps from Patel's from all over the world but that the soap is your right as is the little statue of shampoo they have been stories of Indian stealing cutlery from hotels and all of that it does reflect badly on the country just on the people who haven't. They basically issued a separate set of rules. For now to be basically it's a case of separate and unequal where they singled out Indians for their bad behavior in terms of what they took at the buffet table basically they accused Indians of buying stuff from the buffet table and taking it back with them to eat for lunch as well as talking really loudly in the car doors but you know this is an issue even in India people do. Loudly all the time and so even in an Indian hotel in India there are lots of Indians annoyed at other Indians for talking loudly or having their children run amok in the dining room and all of that a few years ago I think there was an idea of setting up training classes for Indian tourists when they went abroad is that a good idea I think that's a perfectly good idea as long as we have training classes for Western tourism and they come to India and because their. Poverty porn. So there we go there are strong feelings on that here in India you know about the way that people come to India and they behave but sadly at this particular point in time a lot of focus on Indian tourists and what they're pinching from at all not the 1st time it has been and then you start to make quickly a few years ago there was a man who used to check into hotels see the size of the T.V. Buy a suitcase pop them in there and check out. And also when I heard the thing you're proud you know when you mention food the bar for me to boiled egg open tomorrow room from the buffet before and I still feel guilty about it. Thank you very much road sounded as good as his father had lines nice procurement. Digital B.B.C. Small street. B.B.C. 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Dons will not go ahead on Sunset day because the club haven't provided enough evidence of how they'll be funded moving forwards the problem is the be referred to an independent disciplinary panel on the 2nd match of the season is also under threat Meanwhile Bolton's 1st game we can will go ahead but teams have already been deducted 12 points from the new league once hable bone with a sign midfielder Phillip billing for 15000000 pounds who will join on a 5 year deal from Championship side Huddersfield Town degrades and England Test vice camps in Ben Stokes says winning the Ashes in the same year is becoming world champions will be a once in a lifetime achievement the all rounder who is Player of the match in the World Cup Final says it would top off a dream summer we've gone 50 percent of what we wanted to achieve all in a World Cup and the next off is obviously down to the next 7 weeks so if I can go home and you know I want to welcome but I want to Nash's in the same summer I'm never going to be able to achieve that ever again it's such a special so much for English cricket to be able to play in the mazing you know obviously with us we want to win those ashes there's you want to turn over the Aussies Well the 1st test on Thursday at the edge best and I will have bowled by bull T.M.'s commentry on 5 Live Sports Extra and online St Helens had Co Just in Holbrook is sent to return to Australia as N.R.L. To take over the Gold Coast Titans Holbrook has guided the league leaders to their 1st Challenge Cup final in 11 years and will leave at the end of the season form a Saints player John will concerns he's too professional to let this have any impact on the side while he's still in charge just in this approach he's dropped for A and B. To. So that's my grounding is if it's come from and if it does leave it will more of its citizens approach to his job is the most detailed one of the most thoughtful detail coaches will be sworn in on this game this week from rugby league the Union and its unlikely wing Jack no will take part in England's 1st welcome woman match against Wales next month he's been sitting to recover from an ankle injury and has returned home from that training camp in Italy for every team medical assessment and top jockey Ashi Massey has received a caution to failing a racecourse breathalyzer and being barred from riding in a race is a Sunday fixture at songs bring in James That's the latest from B.B.C. Sport This is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live on digital B.B.C. Salads. Good morning to you what we turn our attention towards the southwest of the U.K. Were in Sicily the low pressure system of the time it will spin up and move across the country over the next few days and will indeed be the focus of our weather for much of this week strong winds at the time of the scattered heavy 3 downpours may Brazier. The prime minister will be Wales laces today where is expected to tell farmers who will be better off after the break said because the U.K. Can sign new trade deals Bird Johnson has promised to go the extra mile to secure the brig's deal he was speaking on a visit he held talks of the leader of the Scottish Conservative Group Davidson and the 1st minister Nicholas sturgeon. Ruth Davidson has made it clear that she would support the U.K. Leaving the European Union without a do she describe the talks is incredibly constructive saying she received these surance is from Mr Johnson that she was looking for I said I wanted to see the same level of energy and vigor that's going into no deal planning going into trying to get a deal I wanted to see the sort of shuttle diplomacy that's going to be required if you're going to see changes that can be brought back to the House of Commons and I received assurances that I was looking for. Says Johnson who tried to bring about what she calls a dangerous no deal Briggs's this by the Prime Minister's assurances there was a good Jones he would get an agreement before the end of October misjudging said she believed the government was really pursuing a no deal Briggs's jeje I think that is extremely dangerous for Scotland indeed for the Hall of the U.K. We know from the work we've done the impact that would have on jobs on the economy on our universities on almost every aspect of society in Scotland then I think it's incumbent on all of us who think that that is the wrong no come to do everything we possibly can to block it to Gallagher of the I News wave would show me how they're covering the story this morning Scott unfazed by against Johnson is the simple splash headline in the day he's been in Glasgow and there's real divide emerging between Scotland and England especially among the conservatives over direction of U.K. Policy when it comes to their opinion of course him at the 1st minister 1st Nicholas sturgeon sees promise to step up Scotland's planning for a no deal Brooks said after becoming convinced that Boris Johnson secretly wants to leave the E.U. Without an agreement and speaking after a lengthy meeting with the PM She claimed the U.K. Government was hiding its true intentions from the public not mincing no words our 1st minister also told Mr Johnson she would soon formally request the power to hold a 2nd referendum on scholarship dependent so voters could choose a way out of a brick set now their discussions were described as lively about the future of the Union during this 50 minute meeting at her official residence a few talents in Edinburgh but as he pulled up in his official car Ascot and that the Chris Cramer was on the hands of filmed the reaction of around 200 protesters gathered outside and it's fair to say they weren't cheering Burris Johnson's arrival All I could booing and the hurling insults now stars a talk. Themselves are concerned Mr Dinh said she had concluded from his comments during the meeting that he was not serious about seeking a fresh deal with the E.U. And was now actively to Syrian no deal strategy and she also revealed that you're in a very robust in her words debate on on Scottish independence your challenge to the prime minister to a live televised debate on the issue has officials actually intervene during the meeting to to shut down so no meeting of minds between the 1st Minister and the prime minister yesterday I'm sure the irony was a lost on your newspaper that of course because Johnson went north of the border to reassert our ancient ties between our countries and it seems you know unlike those couples ago and renew their marriage vows it seems like he actually the opposite was the conclusion there yes he's obviously this is just 24 hours after announcing this 300000000 pound package for strength in the union of course Boris Johnson self appointed minister for the union that he's another title is a bit since entering Number 10 but of course not just clashing with the S.N.P. Leader of course having clashed over the last 24 hours with his colleague the Conservative leader Scottish Conservative leadership so Ruth Davidson Now they also had a meeting and while Mr Johnson heaped praise on her described as a fantastic politician who had resigned of the party's fortunes in Scotland suggested he would ultimately overrule her on the whole issue of support for a no deal of course Ruth Davidson publicly saying that she could never support that and she was rather it isn't about commenting on their discussions after their meeting in in Glasgow yesterday were Nicholas Sturgeon was quick to comment on the nature frank nature of their talks with day was a. Didn't didn't comment too much after the meeting a tall fact mentioning no making no mention of her opposition to the no deal outcome but instead said they were going to focus their efforts on renegotiate and the withdrawal agreement with the other $27.00 E.U. Countries and of course accidental Boris Johnson's view as well and he said that during that meeting a 40 minute meeting 10 minutes shorter than he held a Nicholas surgeon at the 2 Tory leader said they were united in wanting to reach a new agreement with Brussels of course the big divided line there is that while he is prepared to go down the no deal route if necessary rift over there said she could never countenance that and never support it why do you think that he wins north of the border was the thing that Bruce Johnson went to school just days were within a week of his resume in the Premiership given that given that it was always going to be for him a beer bit he is genuinely worried about the future of the United Kingdom Of course the leader in the of the S.N.P. In the Commons in a blackout stood up and said that he it was his view on the 1st 1st appearance in the Commons that there was in black for 3 that he was going to be the last prime minister of the United Kingdom there is a genuine concern that if as he's prepared to do to take the U.K. Out of the E.U. Without a deal and that is of course Scotland voted 62 percent in favor of the remainder that could allow or surge of support for independence in Scotland and and the surge in support for full remain after removal is already well supported remain but a surge in support of a 2nd referendum on independence so it genuinely concerned about the future of the Union I think and that is a that was a key statement of intent to go there so early on in his premiership and to try and . Support the strengthen any kind of ties between across the across the United Kingdom because there are those genuine concerns there that of the effects of a no deal Bret's it and the potential breakup of the United Kingdom something that . Boris Johnson certainly would not want to be part of his legacy is eager treating brogues it is something of a game move chicken with the European Union in your article was that he expects them to blink 1st Very much so if it's descended into this game as to who can blink 1st and he's confident he can make the E.U. Do that in striking the New Deal with just a just days before the deadline of 31st of October he's engaging in the standoff with Brussels by refusing to hold face to face talks with E.U. Leaders until they drop their refusal to reopen the withdrawal agreement making of course a no deal cut said more likely now in this trip to Scotland yesterday used apparently contradictory language during that visit when he struck an upbeat term on his chances of securing a new deal and said his government would go the extra 1000 miles to achieve it despite sticking to his refusal to engage in sit down talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the French president Emmanuel macron and he's taking a much firmer line with the E.U. Than his predecessor trees amazed that advisedly robins were seen by Brock's it is been too conciliatory towards Brussels now Mr Robins is replacement David trust he wrote an e-mail to his E.U. Counterparts last week warning them not to underestimate Mr Johnson in that e-mail which emerged yesterday he wrote you should be in no doubt about this government's commitment to the 31st of October date I would also add that many people are inclined to underestimate Boris Johnson and I urge you not to do so but I said many a time on this program dotted the whole sticking point for Boris Johnson and leading Brock's it is is this Irish backstop that they want to see that taken out of the withdrawal agreement that would mean the whole of the rest of the E.U. Effectively so an island on the pass and nobody nobody can see that happening so it is a bit of a game now between who's going to blink 1st and that's. It's current's beat the WHO GOT to go the I newspaper there now with interest in the Apollo 11 moon mission riding high there's been a renewed focus in recent weeks on new Armstrong the mission commander and of course the 1st man on the lunar surface Armstrong died after heart surgery in 20020 after the death of his 1st wife Janet a number of items of Armstrong's memorabilia gone under the hammer and of nets it is believed almost $70000000.00 for the Son's from Memphis marriage Mark in regards drawn. Is the editor of collect SPACE dot com which is a Web site devoted to space memorabilia he's been telling me was sorts of items Rouge of the Armstrong family collection has included items that flew on his missions like United States flags and flags of other organizations. Special items like pieces of the night you know 3 Wright Flyer the 1st powered aircraft Neil Armstrong famously took some of that to the moon donated some back to museums and then kept the rest rooms also some of those pieces came out for auction there are also every day items from is just normal life like magazines that he subscribed to or vinyl records that he listened to it was really a cross-section of both personal and. Space flight artifacts and people were prepared to pay top dollar for some of these are terms. They did and and it's sort of a combination of both the value of the item itself anything that flies to the moon as you might guess carries quite a price tag to it not many items are available but from Neil Armstrong specifically he never sold anything during his lifetime and so this was the 1st opportunity for people to get something associated with the 1st person to walk on the moon I didn't even realize who know how to tell you. Any plans to mementos move them to the moon does NASA know this and they accumulated all these masses of trinkets. Indeed they do they had something called the Personal preference kit it was a small pouch they carried several of them on board some state aboard the command module lunar orbit some landed on the moon on the lunar module and they could pack them with items that they wanted to take for themselves or their family or friends then there were other items that were they brought back from the moon that were part of the spacecraft and in 2012 the U.S. Congress and president signed into law affirming that the astronauts could hold title and therefore sell or or donate or keep those mementos that they brought back from the moon you mentioned in his live child knew Armstrong so very little if anything and am didn't commercialise as he could have done from his frame. While he was alive he chose not to take part in memorabilia sales he did a couple of of. Signings signing his autograph or to support organizations that he supported but that was very early on he signed autographs freely for close to 30 years and then after he found that people were taking advantage of that basically asking for his autograph and then rushing out on to e-bay for sell he stopped signing in the in the mid 1990 S. . He didn't realize that people commercializing money. He knew that there were some people selling his autograph but he didn't realize that the people would be asking him for his autograph and then rushing to sign to sell it it's different than having an autograph in your collection for 20 years and then deciding to sell it versus meeting the guy and 10 minutes later was doing it on for sale it also made it impossible for him to determine if the for example small child asking for his autograph was someone who generally wanted his autograph or was someone who was being pushed forward by their parents so they could get something they could sell on e Bay Why was he has to commercializing his experiences the 1st man to welcome him. It's difficult to say from what he said about it it just wasn't part of his personality he he didn't go to the moon to become famous he came back from the moon seeking to return to his normal life as an engineer he went back actually after he left NASA he became a professor at the University of Cincinnati and taught engineering for a number of years. So he didn't seek the spotlight and so he didn't see he didn't see his items or his memorabilia or his personality being something worth marketing. He also didn't put a lot of importance or he said he didn't put a lot of importance on on memorabilia and so it wasn't something that he concerned I'm selfless and I read that exam too that he was only the front man for a huge organization of people who put a lot behind game to the it was his position that he's his carroty on that shared by the other astronauts who went up with him Buzz Aldrin 1st of all and also Michael Collins who calls was the pilot of the space module. Yes all 3 of them and pretty much all the astronauts I wouldn't say there's not an exception to them all were 1st who all would firstly recognize the 400000 or so people that made their mission possible they were the tip of the spear. The astronauts and received all the glory but they wouldn't be able to go and do what they did if it wasn't for those hundreds of thousands of people who made every piece of the rocket every piece of the spacecraft and not just made it but made it so that it works so they came home safely so they all helped at that position they've all spoken about it. But that but they've expressed their own. Their own personality is in their post astronaut lives as you would expect anyone else to do Have any of them and their memorabilia. They have both of or all 3 of Neil's cremates Dave Scott on Gemini 8. And Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins on Apollo 11 have sold memorabilia they are all still living and so many of the other astronauts since the early 1990 S. When the memorabilia market started the astronaut started to get approached by auction houses and by dealers to ask about do you have items that your children no longer want or you. And that we can sell. So it began and so we had with it with a couple of exceptions most of the astronauts list items for sale from their personal collections there are still a few astronauts who have and have circled the role that nailed it given that given that it's not unusual for as you know to some memorabilia why why these old sions of the Armstrongs possessions why or why they so controversial I don't know if I would use the word controversial but they do stand out because. Because Neil Armstrong as a singular figure in history is probably the only astronaut who really gained. A long standing name recognizability. The other astronauts are known and if your space enthusiasts you know all of them but in terms of who will be remembered in fact some people have said a 1000 years from now the only person of the 20th century that will be remembered is Neil Armstrong because he was the 1st to set foot on another on another celestial body that no one else. From that century will will stand the test of time and so given that position given that responsibility anything associated with him has always held a higher desire a higher demand then the other astronauts or other people around him when he would enter a room or people would seek out his autograph or want to have their photo taken with him they would. The books that were written about him were read by more people than some of the other astronauts books. There was always a. Higher interest in him as the 1st person to set foot on the moon than just about anyone else you say you wouldn't describe it as. Controversial Robert Byrd. New Armstrong's sons the 2 sons who have essentially motivated these sales who were behind the mark and Rick and had to come out and defend their decisions to so their father's possessions we've had other people come out and say well you know in his life he was totally against this is somewhat unseemly not least. His biographer. You might know James R. And since coming he never did any of that and he's lived time has come out and said and of Kools new Armstrong for those you know had 2 families away because his 1st wife divorced him. About 19 in the early 1990 S. And the marriage Carol. The 2nd wife 9094 and have family have stood aloof of any of these cells or in that context it's no this is no these cells haven't been seen is acceptable by everybody. I think it's understandable I think there is I think that happens with a lot of families that it's sort of amplified here because of the same that you are strong at but. There are certainly certainly because Neil Armstrong did not sell anything during his lifetime the perception is that he did not want that he did not want to be involved whether he would be in support of his sons doing that. You know I can't speak to that but. But I think that he he put more people less importance on the memorabilia and what happened to it then he did on what happened to his family so if there's some way else this family I think. He'd be in he would at least not object to it but I can't put words in his mouth but I do what. I can say is some of the objections have been that all these items should have went to an archive or to museum the National Space Museum the Smithsonian had the ability to go through the entire collection and identify pieces that they wanted before the auctions were even a saying there were other donations made to other museums around the country and world. The the truth of the matter is that not everything is appropriate for a museum you know the you could say that a flag flown to the moon yes that but that a museum might want to display that in a magazine that he subscribed to that happened to arrive at his house and then he happened to hold onto as we want to look at that. From when he was a kid you know and a museum or you know someone might you know plan might put up a teddy bear if it's like there is an Armstrong and Space Museum that he actually donated items to in his lifetime but just every day items. You know his his membership card to a certain organization these are not pieces that are going to end up on display they'll end up in the archives and in fact museums often sell items in their collection to fund displays and artifacts that they want to display so in this way the artifact of these pieces these nuts and bolts and less so of his of his life enter collections where hopefully the enthusiastic as it is someone who appreciates the history maybe it ends up going into into a classroom with the owner's child as a show and tell I don't and so new class gets to see it or maybe it gets displayed on a website for the collection or loan to a local library so in a way they do you know enter communities and get to get to be seen by more than just the owner but it's about it not the type of items that would museum would would naturally. Seek out these rules going to be this was going to be a $1000000.00 SEO and perhaps exceeded expectations 16 point something $1000000.00 so far of the 4 oceans have been there's another one do you know John this year so we're not done with that figure will definitely go up was when the most expensive item. I believe me. The most is 8 gold medallion it was one of 3 gold medallions that was aboard Apollo 11 it's called the robins medallion after the company that minted it the robins medallions themselves hold a special place in. Space memorabilia in that they flew on every mission from a pulse 7 to today each each one. Representing the mission that they flew on the gold ones were particularly special because they were only available to the astronauts who were flying on the mission. So Neal's sold for just over $2000000.20 turn his room. For a medallion so and we don't know who bought it we don't know if he was a coin collector or if he was a space collector or is street collector. But it certainly did appeal and it must appeal to more than one because the bidding pushed it up to so that amount as you can imagine I'm not in that league of bit is one card we'll see Chief is going to see the end of this go. To one of those business cards for a club the standard ones amateur that go over several $100.00 cheapest items were into the hundreds in the 1st cell the very 1st one last November nothing sold for less than a $1000.00 and there was a little bit of auction fever there I think those people. Felt that you know this might be their only opportunity to get something and so they did as the auctions went on and it just shows a discussion at a. Lot of items on. For. Me getting sort of settled down a little bit not so much that anything could be called an expensive but you could pick up something for a few $100.00. And we'll have to see what happens in the next auction in November. Connects by the store called my website devoted to sprays memorabilia that's mounted from us thanks for listening thanks. And yes this is Rising these. In the past. A C.B.C. 5 it's 5 o'clock on Tuesday the 30th of July this is morning reports on 5 Live I'm Paul cannon our top story this morning Boris Johnson is continuing his tour of the U.K. Making his 1st visit to a while since becoming prime minister Leiter He's due to meet with farmers and try to reassure them they will thrive in a post BRICS it Britain but Farmers Union in farmers' unions in wilds are warning of civil unrest in some rural areas if the U.K. Leaves the E.U. 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