This c.b.c. If. It's true or car from the b.b.c. News comes from so you see the main news this hour heavy snow has caused May's a major disruption across the u.k. In sports Phil Neville claims the vultures are already circling above his tenure as the England women's I mean this is b.b.c. . Weather warnings are still in place for many parts of the u.k. With more heavy snow and low temperatures on the way so then Scotland north east England on the south east are expected to be the worst affected Helen Roberts is from the Met Office the showers are coming in on the easterly winds they're developing over the north say blowing in on the wind but because the wind is say strong it is blowing now showers quite a long way inland so all day the heaviest makes frequent showers a towards eastern parts of the u.k. We are seeing showers playing right the way across the country so you know where I mean to them donning St insists there won't be a hard border an island after Bret's that it comes after a late latter from the foreign secretary Boris Johnson appeared to suggest the could be customs checks in the future here's our political correspondent in Watson doning streets have reacted they're making it very clear the position of the government is unchanged will not contemplate a hard border on the island of Ireland nothing's changed because of Boris's letter nothing's changed in their position we will see research has found widespread failures to disclose evidence in court cases in England and Wales are leading to potential miscarriages of justice the survey of specialist lawyers follows the collapse of a series of rate cases but he can Salah is a retired chief Chief Inspector of Chief Superintendent social needs to use a small firms to serve the poor when it comes to road. Best intentions which investigation can easily be hones of. Messages I spoke. To so it's such a challenge when it comes to disclosure operators the police. The United Nations says only a lasting cease fire can bring relief to Syrian civilians in rebel held eastern Ghouta he says continued fighting on Tuesday during the 1st daily 5 hour humanitarian pause prevented any aid deliveries a study suggests public satisfaction with g.p. Services has fallen to the lowest levels ever accorded in England Scotland and Wales researches say reflects the huge pressure on surgeries satisfaction and the why the health service is also fallen. From the nothing Trust which was involved in the survey satisfaction with g.p.s. Is traditionally very high going back to 93 when the survey started we've seen a drop in 2017 of 7 percentage points and very significant and it's the lowest since the survey began. 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Media judge Kushner who's a senior advisor had been receiving top level briefings but his background checks hadn't yet been completed and all 5 spice girls have been invited to attend the print the wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markel in May Now based hold a us talk show they'd each received an invitation that's the news now for the sport in the playing New Zealand in the 2nd one day international Kevin house is at the Buy oval thank you very much as the New Zealand now 47 for 2 midway through the 53rd with Martin Guptill on 33 Ross Taylor on 10 terrace scored a century course in New Zealand's a victory on Sunday and how much in swing will be key to see the back just as quickly as possible this is in the air but it's going to fall short of the just on the boundary that always sheepherding of the Belvedere bowling extremely well earlier Chris works for rid of column one row for one and Mark Chapman for one as well so the ship has been steady but England continuing to bowl very well here you Zealand are at the moment 48 for 2 in the 15th of it with the rest of the sport he is sure Joe soccer there are probably people out there who want me to lose all 3 games there for the rather blunt assessment from the New England women's manager Phil Neville whose team plays France Germany and the USA in the upcoming she believes Cup Neville has faced criticism for previous tweets about women for which he has apologised Premier League Swanzy will face either Rochdale or Tottenham in the quarterfinals of the f.a. 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A prime minister bought a big Joyce tends to be very up front with the media so when one of Australia's finest snipers followed his pregnant girlfriend she crossed the road he had something to say the idea that for Vicki walking across the road was a pregnant lady and just being put under so much pressure I thought this is not who we are in Australia he said but in the same speech Mr Joyce was announcing his resignation and heading for the backbench cause being married and having a pregnant girlfriend is still not Ok in Australian politics. All over Britain that's 5 plus 2 not in Provincetown Massachusetts darling of turn of the century Greenwich Village Bohemians and intellectuals like John Reed and Eugene O'Neill 5 prostate and Shipshewana the heart of Indiana's Amish community of 7 at the Old Main Street and then Chadron Nebraska you can't miss Main Street it's only 2 blocks long and the n. 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Office Kevin thanks very much and in a flash we are transported to Sydney where we can join film are certain Australia Hello fellow yes morning Tirant morning. Well it's a bit funny and and breezy and cloudy in the New Zealand and Toronto where What's it like in Sydney today. It's beautiful it's the last day of summer today here in the southern hemisphere on 28 degrees and pretty warm to boot so a perfect end to what has been a pretty warm summer here in Australia is just talking to my dad who lives on the South Island of New Zealand and they are still cleaning up after the remnants of cycling swept through parts of the South Island so it's been a fairly tempestuous summer for the weather wise in this part of the world but it's been quite humid but mostly pretty sunny here in Sydney as you imagine but it's interesting as soon as the summer goes as soon as the temperature dips to about $2223.00 degrees you see Australians rubbing up preparing for what we consider to be the cooler months of the year. Well well it's good to know it's not jumpers and sweaters today for you anyway and we're going to spend half an hour. What it is that makes our flesh creep or why we seem to like it even let you explain Yes and we're not talking about England's Ashes tour of Australia either that that horror show is well and truly behind us we're going to talk now about horror movies we like them or loathe them it's a joiner right I think that just keeps on giving it never seems to go out of fashion and we're going to look at what buttons the movies these books this yawner actually pushes with Dr Harrington Arion is in English and cultural studies lecturer at the University of Canterbury in Christchurch New Zealand thanks very much for joining us today Erin in a week's time I think you're holding a public lecture in New Zealand called horror for the faint hearted what people got in store for those people who come along to your lecture next week. Thank you I think so thanks for having me on the show for the week and next week I thought I'd talk a little bit about why it is that people and Haro what sort of things they get out of it because I quite often go out to scold or do talks in the public and often the very 1st question that I asked asked a sometimes very serious talk is why do you like the 6 fell for what is it that people get out of this so I thought that this was a really good place and a public forum to stop taking a pop some of those ideas because it doesn't really take both both ends of the spectrum doesn't it of emotions when you're watching a movie or reading a book cool or listening to to a play of a horror in the horrid genre that fun and entertainment on one hand and that theah dread and not wanting to look on the other hand how can it be that the genre can manage to 2 in capital encapsulates such broad emotions of people watching it it's really interesting that sometimes called the paradox of horror or the paradox of FIA Why is it that way going pleasure from emotions that we normally think of a kind of nigga says but I think Ari has some really interesting tricks up its sleeve in terms of the way that it tells stories I just throw use all the particular types of images all sounds will calends or will be Spacex of hard depending on what sort of sub shown you're looking at or it can play with failings such as Team channel Dreda he said I humor and surprise often and that push and pull between teaching and relationship or we might have different types of stories that perhaps lean themselves really well to Harra that use her as a meta for to explain or exploit or tease apart and pick out a difficult questions that we have about ourselves. What you think is the key to to the horror movie is the sense of dread dispensable just see the potential for Gore it doesn't necessarily have to be overly gory but is it just the sense that things could get pretty messy that people find so in thrilling. Maybe Well these well took different subject owners and already some of them particularly split 3 types that didn't get associated with Gore or extreme violence but often I think News I'm eaten before that the tension and release but there's something inherent in the genre whether or not you're watching something very well mannered or so like a supernatural period film as opposed to something really kind of nasty investor old with a is a building seem to change and that is dissipated somehow and that even counts and the horror of comedy so the the wonderful New Zealand mocking me tray what we do in the shadows for instance there's a lot of supply between images of ideas that should be frightening and grotesque and they have their own and built St teachin but they just might start Asli ridiculous that they can turn dissipate so that you can have this experience within the bounded I know the beginning and the end of the film you know that it's going to end some point and maybe you can explore those ideas or play with those feelings Saif play hopefully. Is there are very fine line there fall between having a horror film for example that does its job by scaring the bejesus out of people. Falling out of the other side of the line that people just simply find it funny and unlawful the whole business of a very fine line between being a whore a film being sort of a horror film and a comedy at the same time. I think you're right there is a fine line and I think a lot of films exploits that tone and I'm certainly saying phones that. Steen simply frightening or mean to be horrendous and I just find ridiculous because the so I kind of caught tuning in the violence and whatever else but but that that scene it's all relief that you get from Lost it is very similar and lots of whys and times at the White make somebody fail as the scene says maybe. Release that you might get off to being startled by something or off to having a particularly teen situation dissipate so b. Is B.'s and supply the a between humor and hora and one that doesn't necessarily always works with people we don't for a production of Titus Andronicus the other die you know very gory splasher effects Berrien play and half of the audience were just laughing and laughing because it was so kind of over the top and the other half the audience found a lot of the violence really I don't know if objectionable is the right word but certainly something that might be uneasy saw it's a it's a funny spice we can go either way hello and it's a drop here by fire on us. As a kind of young academic How did you get seriously involved and this field was a one film or or a book or a call like oh something that really got you interested and hawr. Oh I've always been interested in it my says this is serene as one of my 1st film memories as a watching a really gory horror film that I wasn't supposed to say that my cousins were watching when the supposed to be looking after me and I've just always found it interesting as a form of storytelling as well as other types of you know experiences and when I started at university I found was either by hook or by crook to start linking this interest and this was of course we've got I've been going and ended up on a large project that was published last year is a book on women and Haro and how that kind of developed so it's always been something that I've been into from Bangladesh little kids he's kind of obsessed with vampires and but through to being a grownup which is what his core stuff or a loving. Wife like for a talk about women and heart I mean I'd like to talk about a film that and which women are the pappa traitors about setting else and that's get to the question as we will we be having this discussion does it really belong in the horizontal according to you Oh absolutely I think it's one of the beast horror films that Spain might or relates to and a long time and it's because it's telling such a warts exploring such a fraught area and Tim's all of the black experience and I and a country in the United States with a long history of violence against nonwhite people and a country that's been built really on the the blood in the backs of of non white people and get out is such a great horror film because you know it's it's well written it's well it'd It's funny but it's able to use the spice that horrid puts out to explore these ideas by positing them as a type of monstrosity that can help a. Challenge or an counted because horror films often little tyke some kind of social anxiety and put it in the figure of a moment that we can maybe understand what fate I think is out as just terrific and really place to say that it's been. Nominated for a bunch of awards because this kind of genre fail and doesn't get critical recognition. And in your book. I mean when we think about the classic sort of horror film you know Boris Karloff a sinking his teeth and the beautiful young damsel I mean do the women always in in your book to the end up on the on the wrong end of these things not I don't know has always been a really long history of women as is monsters or is perpetrators but I've often been assumed to be a screaming victims or whatever else but I find har an interesting spice for women because on one hand there is this history that sometimes and I think rightly sometimes been accused of being very much on the stick on the why did it treats women and women's bodies but at the same time create spices where we can again ask really I guess knowledge questions about what it means to be a woman to have a woman's body or exist in the world as a woman so you look at a film like Rosemary's Baby which is now 50 years old and I'm hard pressed to think of another film that basic and kept a light anxieties about pregnancy and a lack of will tone of the other one's body and how other people might treat your body women are really wonderful part of Haro and an area that academics and film Micah's are really starting to proliferate and through women and horror film festivals today is the last day of international woman harm month for instance. And you know given our interests here on this program it does harder for a beginner saw response to some kind of cruelty in the world about us or some uncontrollable event in the world about us as it is far more horrific of the world is going wrong and falling about our heads. I'm not really sure I mean this lots of different stories that would fly with that I mean a really great example of it would be a films like 28 dice life and 28 weeks like we had a great pandemic and people have to you know you know those stories about pandemics often least about the pandemic themselves or the virus or whatever does and more about what happens to us as human beings when all those structures around us like Law and Order and the family get stripped away you know do we rise above it to create a beast world what do we deceive and to Bob or isn't for instance are there why is it these stories might reflect that but there are also wise that these stories might ask how do we as individuals cope and I will bet is on the situation and lots of ways and that might be an incision to that's environmental there's a lot of a car a films or incision to in terms of how do I as a human being upper right and a world that's full of people and I feel you know ideally And I said might be more along and how does loneliness work and heart so it's a it's a very flexible genre and I think that's why I you know in your introduction you spoke about how and sharing it as it's a longer that's all it is filmmaking itself in terms of the production of film and it just takes offering told to tell interesting stories with. Funny wouldn't I think about an equal heart or I think about Wall-E. You know in which the entire world thought of it that's supposed to be a nice a nice blond little cartoon with the social message what's in the cool horror film . Oh so so in a car horror a fellow or an ecological horror film might be a film and what should be is some kind of catastrophic ecological if you want but as threatening people there are lots of really interesting films about animals rising up against people or plants rising up against people or the environment becoming toxic and people having to kind of deal with that so you can think about it everything from. Multiverse animals through to how do we survive this you know sort of yes a lot of the day of the trip or the southern style of thing yeah yeah but those are stories but also told well and other genres like for instance Wall-E. Is a great way of of presenting this terrific satire of what in effect was the right word but a terrific engagement with consumerism and Weist and I format that we often think of as quite benign but has real cultural power. I should hand it to Phil who feel you know it's just curious Erin about like the days that. Rising that if you can you'll get your attention. Hey exploitation Yeah it's this Crites subzone or that really kind of came about with films like. Whatever Happened to Baby Jain and Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte lots of terrific kind of almost exploitation films often in black and white that featured people like you know John Crawford and Beatty Davis and is this sort of kin to 15 year blip where these films about these I guess you know I must stress grannies or rampaging older women kind of crop up and it stepped away again but at Rice's it's heat every now and again and I just think it's a model a sub song or that really I know it's really edgy and it's Grotius going to see funny and it's scary and it's often quite camp as well which which makes for a really fun viewing experience. And it would seem that the surname Bates comes into your work as well Norma Bates Norman Bates film a bait on the serious hacks in the u.k. And also of course Kathy Bates in the film misery is due I think. And Psycho of course you look for these seemingly obscure links to. Bring thoughts together yeah you can do patients that interesting often way to find patients that we didn't realize that they had just by kind of you know cutting everything down on the ground and saying what popped up and I think some of the most interesting film would come from doing that or from kind of having met my meager hang on I'm saying that before right before or I understand that that image main thing it keeps cropping up again and again I think a great place to start is by a kind of look at individual films Ok to ride the as well characters and mean to kind of guy well what constellations Can I might add if they really disperse ideas and one final question for me Erin d. In the run up to this election next week you do ask the question about the horror genre and what it can reveal about our fee is in desire as is the quota is the element of having a guilty pleasure watching things that are. On the face of it unimaginable but watching it made perhaps in private with your family and friends and just sort of enjoying it and be able to switch it off and forget about it at the end. Yeah I think that's one of the great pleasures of horror film and certainly from a if it's I love watching horror films and groups of people things can get really rowdy as opposed to watching something by yourself we might have a different experience but I also think the way that we individually react to these films is important because they often do tell us about what it is we frightened about so I think for instance that you know I want to lot of the stuff but there are some things that I just I can't stomach and one of them has to do with images of you know gratuitous images of violence against women with equal violence and that as you know probably a reasonable thing to be unhappy about and another is that I find I have a really hard time watching films about houses or home invasions when the house that you live in that's supposed to be your sanctuary suddenly becomes a trap and there's something about that particular story that that reason I took me much in the same way that you know I have friends who come to know me films or who come to the school that so I can reflect interesting things back to us that way might not be aware in terms of our own anxieties or proclivities. It's often said to me out on the most horrifying things are the most normal seeming thing. Yeah and get out to really good example of that that the everyday life that that looks banal and ordinary is actually fundamentally quite horrific you know the idea that even you know you walk down the road and you don't know who you know of these people are what they might be doing in the the safety or the horror of their own homes so if we can think about everyday life as maybe being 10 just buying so I see that maybe this is a was asking really we had what if questions What's the worst case scenario if such and such happens because I think I mean I want to a lot of the stuff but I have a hard time watching the news I find half the stuff you say happening in real life to be actually you know so strikingly horrific So if we can experience these ideas and insights fictional spikes then maybe that might equip us to be said to deal with the world itself. It's a good thought thank you very much thank you for being our guest in the shuffle thank you for having me. And we certainly hope that we have show people's blood too much by the discussion and the idea that that horror actually enables us to cope a little bit better with the grimness of our realities sometimes this is a good one I think many many thanks and Phil too will be back with fellow in just a couple minutes time it's half past 2. Digits along on smartphones and tablets this is b.b.c. 5 Live. The news comes from Sophie Hughes the Met Office is warning some rural communities could be cut off as more heavy snow and freezing temperatures are expected. To most of the u.k. Downing Street has dismissed any prospect of a hard border between northern Ireland and the Republic after Bracks it and after a late latter from the foreign secretary appear to suggest the could be customs checks in the future the un says only a last thing ceasefire throughout Syria can bring relief to civilians in eastern Guta he said aid wasn't delivered yesterday during the 5 humanitarian poles because fighting continued in the rebel held area and a study suggests the high potency cannabis known as skunk now accounts for the vast majority of the drugs seized by police researches at King's College London say the increase poses a significant risk to the mental health of users now time for Sport England are playing New Zealand in the 2nd one day international Kevan houses at the bio oval thank you Sophie 73 to 3 New Zealand after 22 overs Martin Guptill on 48 and Tom laid them out on 10 trying to rebuild once again calling Monro Chapman out very early on 9 for 2 in the 4th over then Ross Taylor Guptill took the score to 48 when seeing a 2nd piece of wonderful fielding by David Willey today when he ran out Taylor from just backward points his wonderful dive stop and throw serve on top of the. We've certainly seen some decent fielding all round from England and also good bowling idle rich she keeping it serenely tight in the 1st 19 overs just 7 boundary shots before so England looking for further wickets putting more pressure on New Zealand they actually put them into a New Zealand they're simply 3 potentially up to 22 rovers but the rest of the sport of soccer Phil Neville has suggested his critics will have a bit of shard Freud on their minds as he begins his managerial debut with the England women's national team Neville took over the job last month amid criticism he lacks experience in the women's game he's also had to say sorry for previous tweets he wrote about women now his 1st games will be in the forthcoming she believes Cup against France Germany and the USA I don't think I should be judged on this tournament you know that there are probably people out there that probably want me to lose all 3 games and be told I told a soul ultimately I've offered a contract I've got the backing of. Dan Ashworth of the f.a. Board so they've had invested a lot in me and I see this as a long term project not just the next 3 games now the Beatles were at the top of the charts and Douglas Hume was in Downing Street the last time something like this happened to be able to place a dire goal give us. A leg serve camera and I should really truly oh yes once the reaching the f.a. Cup quarter finals for the 1st time since 1964 they beat Sheffield Wednesday to nil in their 5th round replay City Mayor Joe Anderson says it's madness to play Liverpool home game just minutes after the start of the Grand National at Aintree their Premier League fixture against Bournemouth has been moved to $530.00 on the 14th of April for live t.v. Coverage Sean Murphy suffered a surprise defeat in the 1st round of the Welsh Open snooper losing 4 nil to the Northern Irishman Gerald Green the former world champion Murphy can't fathom what went wrong it's very hard to work it out really how you can work so hard at something and practice as much as I do and. Prepare as well as I do for each match and try your best and still play so badly I guess that's the. That's the fascination of sports isn't it it's not science while also at the Welsh Open Snoopy John Higgins beat Matthew self or to the European Solheim Cup captain Katrina Matthew has welcomed the inclusion of women in a European Tour event for the 1st time she'll partner Ryder Cup captain Thomas Bjorn of the Gulf sixty's in May there will be women only teams competing as well you know I think it's a great idea I mean I think all go to you know trying to you know make go a little bit different try different events many. 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A colorful week in Australian politics and Phil can tell us all about it. Where you absolutely right the dust is settling on one of Australia's most high profile political scandals we had the resignation of the deputy prime minister Bonn to be Joyce he also quit his leader of the nationals now the Nash. Nors are the junior partner in the center right coalition of the prime minister Malcolm Turnbull's government now Barnaby Joyce was forced to step down because of an affair he was having with a member of staff who's now expecting his baby Barnaby Joyce is married with 4 children so it's a very sensitive issue a very sort of told re affair in the eyes of many Australians and $2.00 to $1.00 pick the reasons why Barnaby Joyce decided to resign after a quarter of a couple quite a long time when this scandal was brewing Dr Stuart Jackson is here Stewart is from the Department of Government and international relations at the University of Sydney thanks very much for coming in today Stuart and I must 1st brought to paint a picture of Stuart he did coming wearing it looks like a new Cooper hat which Barnaby Joyce is quite famous for but this is your summer is this is my summer yes it's also not a Sun Akubra unfortunately but it's a nice warm summer hat good for keeping the sun off it's a struggle and that was part of Barnaby Joyce is reputation wasn't it he was a member of parliament representing the seat of New England which is in northern New South Wales a farming seat and this was a politician who really did trade on his country in the country reputation wearing that wide brimmed Akubra hat for for a country audience why was he why did he resign was it because of the the sex scandal or because of or because of something else it's him personally in part because of the sex scandal I think he's real issue has been he no longer necessarily represents what the senior hierarchy of the party actually expected from its M.P.'s if you go back over some of the previous leaders Warren Truss John Anderson particularly Tim Fischer who also was a where are they. They have been much more reserved much more if you like in that Bush conservative model was Bonamy Joyce with his bright red face when every got educated was much more a retired politician much more in your face and certainly was when he was a senator for Queensland because that's what he was previously prior to becoming down to New South Wales to his family farm near Tamworth in New England he was originally from the area has moved back to it so that he get into that our house could be a leader of the party he also couldn't stay away from the media if he had been quiet he probably could've lasted perhaps a few more months but eventually the party would have said you know you are going to need to step down this is an ongoing issue particularly when after a few more months a baby would have appeared you're living with your your mistress your wife is public about this so there would have been a non going problem for the party that certainly would have I think annoyed many of its voters and you mention his bright red face during this battle couple of years ago with Johnny Depp You may remember role that Johnny Depp in and Amber Heard the actors illegally brought pistol him boot to Yorkshire terriers into Australia during a film shoot thus evading Australia's very strict quarantine regulations and Barnaby Joyce famously said well he'd shoot them. Which of course did not go down well they dip in her been essentially responded took them away they then were forced to give the strangest of apologies. Which went live and you're going this is an apology that isn't an apology it's only have to slum it to talk to this politician who was really felt in part that they they were like talking to a regional politician from Mississippi or something it was a very very odd sort of response from them at the end of the day and Johnny Depp did describe Barnaby Joyce on American television as an inbred tomato. Didn't he yes he did which once again I think you know highlights his view I think of Barnaby Joyce and where he is coming from a little unfortunate in some respects because Joyce is actually deputy prime minister he comes from a long line of pharmacies actually he's not himself necessarily a battler he went to private schools he certainly comes from a wealthy family he would probably Well he certainly did bridled at the suggestion that he was somehow inbred and you know the wrong side of the fence or all that although how far can you take being a retail politician and one final question for me Stuart the the whole aura that Barnaby Joyce built up his love of the media as you've been describing his willingness to get stuck into Johnny Depp did that contribution to the. To his for all do you think do you think therefore he was he sort of presented himself as that the man of the people and therefore when it came down to it he just could not survive this scandal with his former media adviser who's having his baby I don't think there's any chance of him surviving long term there are sort of large state elections coming up that the woods would be on going for that one in his home in his their home state of New South Wales another of Victoria both in the next year that would have played out badly for the National Party I'm sure they're already suffering certainly New South Wales from being in government and being seen attached to you know the big business Liberal Party which makes no bones about where it stands whereas the Nationals have to somehow disassociate themselves every election Barnaby Joyce a scandal on top of that it just makes it untenable people might already be reluctant to vote National certainly in bush areas certainly the conservative types there who are going why we don't necessarily want to vote for this person I've got just another reason not to do it so some point he had to go he just brought it on much earlier by constantly being in the media defending it appearing on front pages of newspapers or on spreads with t. Tails around his shoulders trying to look like the homely guy I don't think it actually washed. Trod here. I ride thank you for being with us I wonder about Malcolm Turnbull over the prime minister saying that from now on in Canberra you can't have relations with anybody who works for you is that their regular tied to the Barnaby Joyce business absolutely it's Turnbull appearing or trying to appear that he has control one over his own in pays but primarily of the National Party at this point and control of the agenda so we're actually trying to sort of short circuit the whole a while wonder who else has been having affairs who just say no the way this as it's been euphemistically called you know bunk ban will try and cut this off as it were at the knees and move forward from here because he's lost the agenda certainly for a number of weeks he lost completely lost control of the political agenda how all of this actually going on in public or. In public will it have been rumored going back to the byelection Tony Windsor who previously held the seat of New England as an Independent had room arised he done it very subtly but he let slip that there was a rumor that this was going on so it was certainly out in public and for a quite more number of months now it's only become really a hot issue over the last few weeks last 3 or 4 weeks when it became very well known and of course the front page splash from the Daily Telegraph you know the large newspaper in New South Wales and suddenly there it is and you can't ignore the picture of the pregnant mistress and you mention the byelection he had to fight for his own seat didn't he what was the problem. Well he got caught like so many in a stray it appears at the moment having Jule citizenship he discovered that he was actually a New Zealander so this course the slight problem his grandfather think it is or father was born in New Zealand this caused him a slight problem because the Constitution of the Strayer says you can't have John nationality and be an m.p. You have to be just a stray and so you have to renounce that a number of people have been able to renounce it haven't taken the right steps or simply won't really clear whether they were a word from somewhere else Barnaby was one who didn't even know that he was a New Zealander when people checked lo and behold he was actually a New Zealand citizen so he had to resign recontest his seat he wanted quite comfortably people were quite open and happy that he would be returned because this is cause it seems to be an odd phase for Australian politics where people are having to recontest seats certainly in the lower house when most people voted them in they know what they want and it seems an odd thing to have to redo the election costs lots of money have to turn up but it is certainly something where we're going to have to be aware of this issue for politicians. Leave you there for a moment while we actually repairs to New Zealand and Kevin how to run go with even more good news for England supporters. And it could be that it's more good news that the original good news I thought you thought I was going to come here because this 2 weeks I own it now and England's fielding and catching has been outstanding today and in particular just annoyed for the last 2 dismissals Mawson Guptill really caught it deep at midwicket it was a lot of the bowling of knowing Alinghi up late for a very important 50 off 86 balls Blitzer if accounts from Roy throwing himself or they're diving to his right hand side the park would point dismissed Henry Nichols just a moment or 2 ago for only one of the bowling of Ben Stokes he was actually one of the faults of England's on Sunday in that defeat at how most and the boy there really have taken it to a different level today some terrific stuff earlier from David Willey as well with his fielding and terrific building so it's all round pretty decent from England with lead them on 15 to Grantham that yet to get off the mark and you see the 82 for 5 with one ball left of the 25th over. Many thanks indeed and we should return to action and. Phil Perhaps you'd like to take a top spot. How would you gauge the media's reaction to the Barnaby Joyce story because there was lots of talk that those rumors that you mentioned before that some of the media outlets in Australia just didn't want to go anywhere near that story I suspect had this been a British story that the newspapers would've would have got stuck in far sooner than the Australian media is there a certain prudishness here is there a certain squeamishness in the media do you think that prevents journalists and newspapers in particular from from going for these sorts of stories where elsewhere in the u.k. For example day that they'd be clamoring to get out the door to get the facts of the story quickly I don't know if it's necessary or squeamishness there's an unwritten convention or certainly the had been the convention where you didn't report on the private lives of the Certainly not the high profile prime minister deputy prime minister and the like people know that you know beneficial it's been chiefly famously died in the arms of his mistress as the opposition leader so there's been that element of war no we won't report on that we know but it's really private and we don't want to actually reveal this sort of material and indeed I think there's at least some kind of an argument there the issue with. Campion the mistress at hand is that she was given positions and that that's other jobs and roles with other ministers certainly the piece is that the prime minister's office actually intervened in Bonamy zone office to say she has to be moved because there's an element there of well is this nepotism is there actual problem here we thought well we'll just keep employing this person or create a job for her or another office albeit she is a social media person and she was created there as a social media communications officer or was that being created for her just to give her a place to go how did that come about when you can actually see there is actually a real scandal inside that a round nepotism about employing people who are. You know is this is actually right and proper let alone the issues around well he's got a mistress Well that's actually potentially his private life but I thought other issues that the insidious side it well perhaps there is that a real scandal going on there about nepotism does this extend to how he does his business does this extend to how he does or performs his ministerial duties and there's an another scandal arisen of late around water allocations from the Murray Darling Basin and then opens the question there said well what is integrity like when it comes to real policy issues perhaps he has demonstrated that perhaps he gets a little bit too close to people perhaps and does a sweetheart deal and there's therein lies a problem and there was a poll in one of the newspapers that was suggesting just that that the majority of voters were more concerned about the nepotism about the financial implications of this scandal with the media visor with the mistress being shunted off into quite well paid jobs in other ministerial departments rather than the infidelity and the sexual part of it what does that say about Australian society generally I think well we like might like to think of ourselves perhaps as a little conservative old people don't do this but I think the reality is that clearly people do do this I was thinking earlier that perhaps if this occurred for perhaps a politician from Western Sydney or from zone as some of the some of the areas within urban areas actually wouldn't have been such a problem around the infertility the question of course about you know perhaps misappropriation of funds or nepotism Well that's a different kettle of fish that's when people start to go hang on that's my money that's me as a taxpayer I'm paying for this these people to play games there's also a number of stories that are in the media about the hothouse nature of camera politics where certainly if you're around the offices around the departments and around the particular the media it's a very closed system it's a bubble. And things happen within that bubble and some of it I suspect is also a bit of what happens in camera stays in camera Well I think no longer I think it's if not open season then I think at least it's a case of Well if you're going to have these affairs you can have it but there has to be some clarity about it it can't affect your work more than anything it can affect your position as you know whatever position it might be in you can use it to say give someone a job and I think that's going to be much clearer from now on I think the ball band at the end of the day can't help or call it that. Is actually a good thing insofar as it makes it clear that there are responsibilities for ministers and I have to take them seriously and I can't just do what they like so Barnaby is gone and we've got Michael who we now know my guess so he famously wrote it in 1993 this is a man who is the new national party leader he's from the country town of walk a walk here in New South Wales He's a former reporter and when he was editor of a local paper this was in the early 1990 s. So quite a long time ago he said in an editorial a week never goes by anymore that homosexuals and their sordid behavior don't become further entrenched in society and that the man who wrote this is now the deputy prime minister it's fair to say that he says that his views have changed and he did vote yes in the recent gay marriage survey but is this another scandal brewing or was this a bit of a storm in a teacup but I think it's a bit of a storm in the caper take up I think there are plenty of coalition and pays that have made comments like that in the past and the Certainly behavior misbehavior should I say from various members of them whether it be Tony Abbott punching walls or you know leering over young women whether it be and these are all stories that have been around for some time whether it be George Christensen you know doing his arm or James Bond character and I'm pretending to shoot people it's like well you know the national federal not anti M.P.'s Well he has a long history of. Of these Myname is the main it's in one respect it's like well these are sort of boys playing around and they're given a certain leeway in terms of McCormick I mean he's got a he's he's made a number of comments about climate denialism around in a homophobia and I think there will moderate his comments he will delete some of the previous comments he's made many months social media him he will look to prosecute his role now as the leader of a party that has to rebuild an image it's got to straighten itself up and look the part for Bush astray or what's part of a joyous go to do on the back benchers if you're going to be an irritant as he is it good to be very loud and annoying. I suspect that Barnaby will go back to the Banner be evolved when he was in the Senate when he would make a fair bit of noise because he always does he does like the media and the media quite likes him as well I don't think he'll be an irritant in the way that the tiny Abbott has been who still clearly believes that he should be prime minister I think Joyce will be an irritant in terms of well he'll probably want to cross the floor various times he'll threaten to do so over particular issues particularly if he thinks it's something that Bush voters will be in favor of him go back to being if you like that back classic retail politician that he had been previously he did cross the floor on a number of cations previously over issues like one of those student sorry non-compulsory a voluntary student unionism around the collection of phase for certain services that country students used so he will look to those sorts of issues and I suspect he will actually go well I'm going to stick into it in our eye on make a bit of a noise here and be that retail politician a bit of a maverick but someone who you kind of know where he's at and where he's coming from how long he keeps going well he's still a relatively young man he could go a few more terms songs his voters keep voting for him he could stay in Parliament for another 10 or 15 years he may of course decide that a pension is a better way to go. Or is an attractive thought. Marcum to ball is going to in fact of his are there already is going to Washington as and you Phil. He has he's met with Donald Trump and famously Stuart I think it was last year Donald Trump and Malcolm Turnbull had a very testy phone call I think over a refugee swap deal has a have they made up they appear to have made up very well they seem to be the best of pals It was a very large trip to Washington. Struck Turnbull took along with him a number of the State Premiers and state premiers and chief ministers except for the ones from South Australia and Tasmania because they have an election but took all the others within took a number of very senior business people so the Quantas Pratt was there as well so it took senior heavy white people who were interested in things like tried took on military leaders to talk to the Joint Chiefs was a genuine high level meeting to talk about the important things for various state and territory governments and the federal government in terms of trade in terms of doing business with a stranger in the us repairing or cementing a friendship the 75 years was to talk about the you know the last 100 years of make ship and I from the 1st time that American soldiers fought under an Australian commander Mel in the 1st or war so they've talked this all up as we're good mates now I keep on coming back to I think this is a case of Turnbull thinking about the old phrase you know when elephants fight the grass gets trampled on when he's now thinking ahead to China and Turnbull not wanting to get squashed between any sort of friction between the u.s. And China running that China is astride his biggest trading partner so it's got to keep on good terms with both sides and will make strategic decisions based on that . And when the u.s. . You know puts up tariffs as it already has on on solar panels for example does that there are just still years trade to. Not necessarily and I think the solar panels one was a little bit of climate than oil isn't coming in there in the u.s. I think the some other issues around in that one the big issue for us Tryon. Primary producers of course is the ones around beef and sugar now they've got some headway on that but America not being part of the the Trans-Pacific Partnership has been a real sore point and that's what Turnbull has been working on to try and bring Trump in the us into the transpacific partnership because it is a classic case of free trade architecture it would definitely benefit some producers in a Stratus certainly large producers in Australia whether that be the coal producers will that be promised because as miners and the like they will be very happy with it because it opens up in of the 12 to 14 countries betting on how Canada depending how the us feel or any one time opens up a great deal of tried how it goes into the future of course struggle it becomes another big hole in the ground there are laws a problem we don't have a manufacturing industry so or we have a limited manufacturing industry. Hopefully the tariff rises do not affect strata certainly tariff walls would affect the strike if it was say Korea versus the u.s. Or China versus the u.s. . Well as you say there's a lot to a lot to figure out and I suppose that was that was part of it it was all recognizance was that this trip to the u.s. More than anything else. In part reconnaissance reconnaissance I'm in part the issue with South China Sea is why you have and that's the island building that the Chinese have been engaged in an arming of these islands which has been partly the regional politics of around the Southeast Asia but the strategy is role as part of the Ns a straight cementing that we have a new bestseller from the us in Australia Admiral Harry Harrison's been very hawkish in terms of saying no we should confront the Chinese directly since the us should confront them so there's got to be able to manage that relationship the military relationship while keeping an eye on well soon to be perhaps the title implying now that he is saying I don't have to just have 2 terms I can continue one forever will the word Chinese Communist Party allow that or will there be some pushback Well we'll just have to play that one avenue further I think. I guess there's been Dog Show objection from the department of government for national relations of service in it's to thank you very much indeed thank you to the film us thanks Ron thank you Rob.