I think more units need to come together and focus on issues like how our status impacts on people health and safety all the things that are relevant just as you said God. Relative to what's going on in the street and be relevant to the members or the way you're going to track talky people and that's a market that's a crucial element for federal trade unions still have Gordon Brewer there interviewing the departing Scottish organizer of the National Union of Journalists Paul Horan on digital media $92.00 to $95.00 f.m. Each one will be dealing with b.b.c. Radio star. Hello it's 9 o'clock you're listening to Good morning Scott than with Isabel Fraser and Julian Morrow is coming up before 10 we have our regular viewer of the Sunday papers with 2 of our top commentators and a special investigation into the unsolved murder of banker Alister Watson in their near 13 years ago 1st the news from the b.b.c. All 4 board members of the u.k. Government social mobility Commission have resigned in protest as what they see as a lack of progress and a dining street focus on bricks that the commission's chairman the former Labor Cabinet Minister Alan Milburn said his ministers attentions were turned to leaving the e.u. Ways of achieving a fitter Britain had been put on hold Mr billboard says he was fighting a losing battle the Government days perhaps understandably. Focused on Rex it and simply lacks the bandwidth to translates the talk about hearing social diversion brought in promoting social justice into reality and I'm afraid I've reached a rather sad conclusion that there's only so long we can go on pushing water uphill . The government said it was making good progress on social mobility and focusing on disadvantaged areas meeting breaks that supporters including the former cabinet ministers who are in Paterson and John Redwood have urged the prime minister not to settle Britain's so-called divorce Bill unless the e.u. Accepts a series of demands a letter organized by the leave means leave campaign group says the conditions include the u.k. And the e.u. Agreeing a free trade deal before the end of next March Tony Blair has told the b.b.c. The Good Friday Agreement is at risk because of BRICs it the former Labor prime minister said the U.K.'s departure from the e.u. Was problematic for the Northern Ireland peace process because the prospect of what he called a hard border with the Irish Republic posed real challenges he said it was difficult to see how the border issue could be resolved and you can try having a bespoke deal but I would thought that really would pose problems for the unionists on the other hand if you don't you like you can end up with a hard border and if you do end up with some bespoke deal around Northern Ireland then obviously that will put Northern Ireland in a different category from the rest of the u.k. So this is a conundrum where I personally don't know what the answer to it is the maybe some clever way through but so far I haven't seen it just over 2 and a half 1000000 pounds has been awarded to support new low carbon energy schemes in Scotland 12 projects including those in the more calendar and St Andrew's will share the money from the Scottish Government the energy minister says they'll need to help the government meet its targets of eradicating fuel poverty and reducing carbon emissions. A major Miten rescue exercise gets underway this morning in the locker room and on the Trossachs National Park more than 70 people including volunteers the police and local mountain rescue teams will take part in the training which will take place in the Korean lair here the exercise involves the response to the search for 4 missing workers want to sport now and John Barnes the Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers praised the exceptional contribution of young Frenchmen or Edouard who scored a hat trick in their $51.00 win over model the result extended Celtic's unbeaten domestic run to $67.00 matches and their Premiership lead to 7 points over 2nd place Aberdeen who face Rangers at potoroo this lunchtime the live coverage of that much on sports and meanwhile Rodgers has criticised the mother will chief executive on Baros claiming he likes class after accusing him of walking around the press room well up top after Wednesday's match between the sides trying to demonstrate Celtic should have been awarded a penalty in their 10 draw at 4 Park. Manager Craig Levine says he has no idea why he was sent to the stand during yesterday's $10.00 draw with our Martin and you know who said it was crazy his assistant asked a month fee was dismissed too few back Jimmy Brandon also saw red in the heated encounter at Tynecastle on parents Donaldson is through to the 3rd round of the u.k. Snooker Championship after knocking out the world number one and defending champion Mark Selby Thanks John the weather outlook it's going to be a chilly start with temperatures in the low single figures for most during the day it will be largely dry though for all except the Northern Isles and Caithness where it will be cloudy with the odd times north of the Grampians there will be occasional close breaks with some brighter spells but across the central and southern Scotland there will be plenty of sunshine temperatures today are going to reach 7 to 9 Celsius b.b.c. Radio Scotland news at the time just after 5 past 9 and it's time for our regular look at the Sunday papers before we get into the detail let's have a scan of front paid. One story features in many of them and this is according to the observer's headlinese social Ms mobility is our quits with attack on fairness failure says Theresa May was plunged into a new crisis last night after the government social mobility adviser revealed he's team we're quoting the Sunday Telegraph is going with what it says could spark a back bencher vote for the Tories the Tories at war over European judges and it's understood that the government has reached a compromise at this stage in the BRICs that negotiations saying that there could be oversight with the European Court of Justice for e.u. Citizens in the u.k. With referrals on a voluntary sort of basis but that's taking it far too far according to the hard line breaks the 2 years on the backbenchers and they're saying unless the government actually says no the e.c.g. Has no jurisdiction at all and you case there will be a revolt me the trees families that voted for blacks is the headline in The Sunday Times says trees Teresa Mayes claim to be building a country that works for everyone was dramatically under mind last night after the public body responsible for boosting social mobility resigned and Scotland on Sunday has a very powerful front page and inside coverage or The Big Sleep. Actually is talking to the victims of the homelessness crisis and those who believe that we can fix it and as a say very powerful reporting very good still photographs there there's a quote from Ian who's homeless saying when I close my eyes I hope I'll never open them again and the report says charity workers believe that radical action and a sea change in public opinion are important if were to head off the growing street sweeping crisis inside also the paper has got an interview with the acting head of the single police force in Scotland this is Ian Livingston and he's saying that he's the acting chief. For in the interim with all the problems that are going on in the single force and he's making a particular plea for less political interference in policing and he says there should be a stronger rule for the Scottish police authority and the chief of that presser says Deacon is going to be talking to Gordon Brewer actually on the politics program with it one this morning the Sunday Post headline Have you no shame question mark and the paper says he's the ex Gutman star who raped a young woman when she was just when she was at our most vulnerable but just days after judges rejected David Goodwillie his appeal Clyde f.c. Allowed him to take the field and that question is being asked by his victim Have you no shame for the murder meanwhile says that British trainers are cashing in as helpless greyhounds are subjected to unimaginable suffering in China it says dogs bad from the u.k. And Irish bloodlines can fetch up to 300000 pounds in the betting man Far East and the Sunday Mail is also going with the Scottish police force saying Bernie Higgins the chief who was suspended recently was actually investigated some time ago a year ago up to you to go over a complaint which was then dismissed at that time saying I was following a top level internal affairs Pru but they've got lots of other accusations allegations about what's going on with the police force you know the son says Scotland's acting top cop has revealed he backs the whistle blowing culture that led to bullying probes against his boss the Sunday head old at the s.n.p. Tells arland will help you fight bricks at. The Scottish Mail on Sunday is going no r.b.s. Launches a jobs drive in India it says the bailed out banks bid to recruit cheap stuff as branches shot across the u.k. That's how the front pages look we're joined now by Martin Taylor off the head old and David Pratt contributing foreign editor of The Sunday Herald an online international affairs magazine cable Welcome to you both good morning to you good morning Ed. Well we'll start with the story that we started the front pages with which was this the the resignation of the social mobility team at David how is this being covered Well I mean you know it's obviously the headline story in The Observer itself I think observers kind of set the bar really in terms of the reporting in this story and obviously you know the reporters have seen the resignation letter some very powerful quotes involved here but if I can just put it in the context of some of the other tape talks this morning I mean if you look across the Sunday Times and indeed in the Sunday Telegraph it's just a bar of attack on Tories and on to these are me I mean if I can just read the 1st 3 words in the Sunday Telegraph splash this morning towards a war story with with regards to European judge no strikes me I sit here many a Sunday you know reviewing the newspapers and when the Sunday Telegraph got to these at war you know and it's 1st the 1st that he wants and it's washed or something is wrong here something is clearly a food and I know we've said before that there are indicators in Sains of problems here you know chinks in the armor things begin to fall apart over breaks and whatever but you do get a sense that something is beginning to crumble in this way when you do because we have to I mean how many times are we said Tories under pressure how many times are the Sunday papers questions of the future of our government but I think this is you can see this is coming from within you know the the corrosive thing is happening from within and when it begins to appear and really saw establishment newspapers like The Sunday Telegraph there are problems of going back to the observer story itself and I mean you know I don't know but it doesn't pull any punches he talks about the dysfunctionality of it indeed there's actually you know a quote here there's been indecision dysfunctionality and a lack of leadership in a sense you know that rock to me rather sort of sums up the general condition that he's a me feces at the moment not just over the social mobility team but generally speaking with regards to bricks and other issues and do you get the. Sense of you know reading into the papers that this the resignation here wasn't trying to achieve something it wasn't trying to force something down the line it was more that you know throwing up their hands we cannot continue absolutely that comes across in the remarks that he's made that you know we can't no matter what we do here you know we're pushing I think you used the expression on your package just a moment ago about pushing water or something you know you're putting this huge ball up hill I mean really they're up against it you know and it's a long way from you know sort of joy 2016 statement by to rezone me about making Britain a country that works not for the privileged few but for every one of its own Melbourne and the team of quite unequivocally said that's not happening and there's no sane over the next couple of decades that it's likely to happen under the current policy a man if she hadn't stakes so much on this policy of that's fantastic yeah that's very much what struck me was these just about managing people and I mean when she stood there in July 26th she had some authority at that point and it seemed so long ago or in a way that she had we have to remember she did have authority when she was elected leader she addressed them fairly very directly and that was very pointed at the time she said to them we are on your side we will give you more control and not what is striking is not only has this not happened and we're not seeing what's happening right in the back of this but it not only hasn't happened but it's actually getting worse for so many people and this isn't just people at the very bottom this is fork it seems to be rising up and up and as you see David where no stage where wages are sore stagnant it looks like it's going on for a long long time to come the economic forecasts are very bad but I feel that she's missed an opportunity as we know brash and usual for is it well and we all know something about her as well as your own about your heart of heart and say Yeah and . And the lack of of action from the heart is that you know how it's being portrayed and it's all it's all about reason I think it's a good your focus on tourism me but you know there was a fool of of this this way the problem within the government itself here you know and you know and the different communities that are beginning to particular bricks at you know I mean the Sunday Times is going to you know you go to the Sunday Telegraph story about European Court of Justice and you know over breaks you've got business stories and you have a business is beginning to reel against you know the they are always a following are we the original people that were standing shoulder to shoulder over the bricks at the beginning to drift off note and she begins to look very very sort of a silly to deny remorse and it makes you wonder too I mean we now know her legacy is pretty sure I would say it's pretty sad and she ends some ways that would offer her an opportunity though to reboot anyway and be bolder and say well you know I've got nothing to lose and yet she seems on able to do that so it does make you wonder what's going on is not part of to these amaze d.n.e. I mean you know you we have to given these stories earlier this week you know the whole Trump tweet spot or whatever I mean that we should 100 there was nothing particularly robust I mean I was going to nearly on the we can you imagine of Margaret Thatcher had been prime minister today what I mean she may have a skill or a lot in common with Donald Trump but there's no way that she would have responded the military's Yeah he did in the engine or do tell me to mean my own business you know there's a whole different style of leadership you know and she seems congenitally incapable of making sharp decisions or seizing the opportunity even if she knows that the the end is all over you know we just have a car in call for your party for the people as a whole or whatever she seems in keeping with doing that well let's move on Marianne story and Mail on Sunday I think an investigation that you want to highlight yes absolutely this is on pages 40. And 15 and the headline here is revealed the sleazy sex for rent landlords now this is a really really good Sunday newspaper investigation there it's Reporter load living Caylee has paused as a student looking for a cheap room and what she's has found when she so obviously they knew that this was going on but is that there are a multitude of online Advair they're offering free free accommodation to young pretty and quote uninhibited women so what they're looking for they're looking for sexual favors this is all their men many of whom are married not where that matters one way or another but it's just such a horrible sleazy transaction. And it does seem to be far more widespread than we thought when I saw this spread this morning and I assumed it was London or Chile because I knew that this was happening in London where of course source or saw expensive I had no idea that that that this problem was happening to this scale also in Glasgow Edinburgh Aberdeen I mean the Advair said absolutely shocking and they're calling for photographs and things like yeah I'm just going to say one of them this is a man in Aberdeen room to let one pound pair month for fun when wife is a young pretty go please send pictures so is this in the family home then this would be a room in which is yes in the family home or maybe a man living on his own who is willing to offer his home freely in exchange for savers and sexual favors it was a story that was up to the caned of the kind of legal Greely is that India is here you know in terms of the whole waiting process and indeed indeed prostitution it well indeed I love it when money is changing hands this leads to a number of careers but 2 things really struck me with. Yes on an alarming scale one is the housing crisis that is fueling this that are so many especially young people either students young working class people who have no means a toll to get quality homes anymore so if this these are the measures that young people are having to take the other thing that struck me about it was in light of the Harvey Weinstein revelations and. This goes to show how you think how far we have to go this is so basic and saw Graham the relationships that are revealed here the power imbalance that is revealed here is utterly shocking and I think we need to think very very carefully about. The relationships that would lead to this and the power struggles but I don't I don't think that can be done is that is really it's coming off the back as well of the recent Scottish Government legislation with regards to you know short term leasing an issue of landlords in relationship and stuff like that but it's quite evident that this falls between the real really in a way it needs to be reexamined from a from a we go perspective and there's no indication of that and didn't think that. This is not a quote in your I'm Scottish government suggesting that it's a green area isn't there is a little model you can tell us of that don't have to reexamine it in that sense. The papers have this week it's all the Christmas recipes they go through a kind of. Calendar doing they have last week it was all the presents that you could buy and this week it's all the Christmas recipes and also David you were saying all the Christmas Appeal Well I mean you know you switch on the television at the moment and you know everyone seeing ads on the telly back to back for Christmas be charities and you was and whatever and if people's a fool of it today and there's someone who's actually written some of these appeals myself over the years and you know for an appeals for various crazies around the world it's interesting to see how the formatted and just explain to the listeners. You know there's a sense that some of these appeals are in some instances I think just a free copy taking up space with the newspapers that frankly are struggling in some cases to fill the newspapers because they don't have the resources themselves and in the worst case scenarios they're almost like rehashed caned of pressure in a ways and then it just occupies the space Willy what really really well is when the actual reporter or someone has spent time in the grown reaching a very very emotive piece and I mean there's one in the Observer today with a concern to the increase of the range of people or whatever and you know if they all object to the exercises to try and get people to didn't eat money at this time of year then you know you have to you have to move them in their own way and I often feel that good journalism can do that if you have the and you're dealt with as the observer has done and instead of actually just making a package and sticking a coupon on at the end it becomes I was going to add the Tauriel and it's really does Dave do you want to distinguish some of these appeals from journalism from advertising why are these set rather curiously and in some cases the you know quite considerable space been taken up in various states who buy them yeah Marianne you were mentioning the homeless nests article in Scotland on Sunday is that which there is nowhere campaign for them it makes one wonder if there had to be No I think it certainly would have been less interest move I think I think we've missed one but it also did make me think especially at this point where there are so many just about manage and that it really takes quite a maybe quite a lot to move people and neither are our social media and our social media streams are so fill of Advair from charities it can be quite tiring sometimes I think and when you open a newspaper again when you realize it's an ad campaign it's very easy to. Let I mean don't you go to pieces go on and Sunday what's on every level it works is a fantastic piece of reporter tired Szell it's someone. Going on to the drone spoken to people that are on the streets rough sleepers and homeless people there it's a very moving piece if you had of stuck on at the end of that I do see many people having read and been moved by it would have been inclined to actually didn't eat towards it it takes the boxes journalistically and in terms of you know hitting the mark in terms of appeals even though it's not part of an appeal to people Ok. I'm sorry about this but Ok let's talk about the royal wedding we were talking to someone yesterday. That you know people you know a lot of people just hate any kind of coverage of the royal wedding but Marianne a lot of people like it and that's a lot of people by papers be well indeed Here we go you know what a few days and and when you are not really doing. And I would point out that I'm not a fan of the royal family you know per se but like many other people I'm probably a bit of a hypocrite and I did watch a cough of the interviews I did read read some of this and quite enjoyed reading some of this this morning I mean it brings up a lot you know it brings back memories of other royal brights that we've seen over the years and one thing that has really struck me though is that. This new to all your bride is clearly rather different she's extremely intelligent she's in her mid fair to she's very much an established Paris and of her own making and so what will this bring to the royal family where will she be able to cope with that sort of life I suppose one wonders whether she'll be able to retain this real sense of herself with the whole thing that we see going on I mean there we are the males got the 1212 page picture Lismore and you know they shouldn't have to undergone some kind of psychological profile pic or shortly afterwards they are quite close and will need some psychological counseling to the team in newspapers I finish with well I mean I steadfastly refused to talk about this other than the fact I. Got off by it you know you know it's a good thing that I just came back from the USA yesterday and I was there when when this story broke and at the beginning it was so interesting because no one had any idea who she was and there was a lot of confusion about which one he was if he had her why is he there which want to see and then when they realized what was happening they were very excited about it indeed you know so we should see. Back to you and the observer again and this is. The legacy of international justice really or the future of international justice they have a story and on page $24.00 actually which is was a big story during a week when that incredible news footage of Slobodan project the crew it general who took potassium cyanide and poison at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia the way to why you know it was a grim finale I think in that we and not just a grim finale for him clearly but actually that's the i.c.t. Why closing up shop after 25 years and I think there are huge quick. No but we're this moves in terms of international justice I tame when we have any trouble world and. Concert that you know I mean across the world from my own Mart to Yemen or whatever we've got crimes against humanity to war crimes being committed or whatever and where is the actual legal body that will deal with the International Criminal Court the i.c.c. Is a sense of we meant to be doing with that but it's very very beleaguered at the moment so that the great I think experiment supporters and detractors as it had the I see . The great experiment wars and it was very very successful you know I think it hasn't been tarnished then by these kind of suicide I think of course it doesn't there's an investigation ongoing but if you look at the number of convictions the documentation and the proof. That was actually applied I think it was very successful overall and sadly as it closes doors after 25 years we're does this leave us in terms of the international platform at a time when we really need it a lot and the observer piece does allude to that Ok And we'll finish off with Dennis the Menace Marianne. David Yes I think yeah you know I mean what can you see as by different in this big national front myself I love the dog and. But would love to show you what it is basically you know he's been revitalized into digital for much you know for a rebellious youth I think if you this is great isn't it I mean I was a member of in their early 1980 s. Of the Dennis the Menace menace the national funk club and those of you of similar vintage will remember the plastic wallet with. One of which was very funny but it is really good to see these old long running characters able to be reinvented I mean my favorite film of the year this year has to be Paddington to show this one is out of the way so I said. Just want to stretch this Boddington actually when I was a school for a fancy dress thing I never lived in fish that you know also the popularity of all these old characters it's all need really old people like us or some of us who you know I mean. It's why there's still kind of an enduring appeal to have an adjoining appeal but I mean this is a digital spinoff is the new Observer today is for the new generation you know and it's introducing nothing wrong with the rebellious you know few rebellious youngsters and then this is not about order for them as it's national of course and where your comic fan in your you know to be you know I was more of a horse but Invicta teacher you know sort of stuff like that a little bit later in this. Is not a phrase that I want to get firsthand to actually be very very I must apply the rape is a really almost a one for a job but actually. When they were advertising for an editor of command call me like. I do for 11 years all. My and I'm with you on how they said there is completely in charge thing in life affirming and I knew what you're saying to me but I'm just at the age where I think you know I'm not going to analyze this too much I'm just going to go with the flow on that one you know you're on you're just going to and you can leave and the very next time you. And David I'm getting sister talk about the royal wedding and the fact that yeah every time you end this is just to look at the building bridges you know it Paddington I mean really what I would say to see that. This is thank you very much this morning David Pratt's contributing foreign editor of The Sunday Herald an online international affairs magazine cable and also Mary Ann Taylor of The Herald and Gordon Brewer is with us you've got a story line up to the Gordon a really it's going to be a good program Sunday Poland Well certainly a lot lot of people on a 1st thing we're doing is police crisis a Police Scotland to morrow morning Susan Deacon steps into the job as chair of the Scottish police authority she's going to have to try to clear up the mess and we'll be talking to har but we're also hearing about bricks Scottish Government's been having meetings with the British government doing a deal it hasn't been done yet still seeing not enough been agreed for us to agree to support either breaks a bill or a legislative consent motions go to Parliament why not what's the problem we'll be talking to the Brits or minister Russell and also to the Scottish secretary David Mondale Ok Conan your timing 1135 ish but switch on a live and watch service men Ok thanks for that now let me just tell you about some programs coming up this week here on b.b.c. Radio Scotland tomorrow personal best are continuing their advent calendar of festive stresses which they're opening and picking and resolving for a happier and healthier Christmas this week how do we juggle all the social pressures work party kids nativity play mince pies with the neighbors night out with friends helping at school Christmas fair except etc except try without getting stressed to the max mindfulness expert and author of The Art of breathing Dr Danny penman explains how mindfulness can help us deal with the sheer amount of social pressures and commitments we feel at this time of the year so all that and much more than personal best from half past. One tomorrow here on b.b.c. Radio Scotland should get Danny in for David on the royal wedding I think that time no though is half 913 years ago the Bank Manager Allister Wilson was shot dead on the doorstep of his home in the Highland tone of Nairn the case remains unsolved in a special program the B.B.C.'s funa Walker who is behind the scenes of the latest police investigation and has an exclusive interview with Veronica Wilson about the impact her husband's murder has had on their family. 28th of November 2004. Sunday evening around 7 o'clock. For Monica Wilson finds her husband lying on their front doorstep he's been shot 3 times she dials 9 I know. You're about to hear about a merger that happened 13 years ago it sounds like fiction but it's real it's never been solved but now the police are reinvestigating by going right back to the beginning so we've been behind the scenes of the investigation asking what evidence we can reveal for the 1st time you'll find out more about a mysterious envelope and weapons giving the police new leads you'll start to understand why justice matters so much when you hear from Veronica Wilson the victim's wife 'd. Now the killing has a Stalinist local people here in this in this quiet little time Mrs Wilson went out and find a husband mortally wounded on the doorstep from gunshot wounds when you're. Just having one of those moments we think i just company of this is happened to me just us 2 and 3 in mind they are the to the feelings when you get into to them the moment it does. Mystics and forensic experts so who killed I was the Wilson research but then they are in man shot dead on his own doorstep every little bit every sense of the evening. It does seem at this moment to leave more questions than answers READY. Alister Wilson was a banker a family man he and Veronica had 2 boys aged 4 and 2 they lived in a seaside Tyron in the north east of Scotland that weekend they'd been seeing friends and getting some fresh air with the kids home for Bath stories and bedtime they were just of the stories bit when Allister Wilson was murdered. Is one of Scotland's biggest unsolved mysteries 13 years on. I'm on the train to Inverness to meet others to Mrs Wylie for running she's the only person I never saw her husband's murder closeout under heard him speak so our evidence is key and she hasn't given a broadcast interview for more than a decade. One of the things that people will wonder is I left with the not knowing that's the hardest part really as after not having him it's just for us as a family we need we need to know why this is just so senseless his 2 boys 24 and the life. And as the older boys get harder you know the young men know so it's. They just they can't understand either why somebody would do to their dad and I saw some of his not being. You know just this huge factor Nashua that they have they just can't understand. What kind of impact has that had on them as they've grown up and asked more and more questions that they have a problem of justice when things were wrong that was definitely reflected in behavior if somebody did something wrong in the host they definitely wanted them to be punished you know there's it can be left that. They just for the sport something minor things to nothing that's really in. It just that just this is the big part Bill this boy especially just feels he can't understand why you can do something wrong and that there's no consequences to the boys have memories of their slightly mixed it can be really upset when we do go over that way discuss things and photographs in the go between believing that the demand for the pictures and then realizing that the probably don't want their memories are false ones but it's all we have you've ended up with a kind of strange unwanted fee My guess is that it's not nice being the bankers were toward the bankers children it was even when the children were at school a new phase was always really really if that they were going to be or with those accepting and for their children to have sleepovers and stuff I never thought yeah you know your kids' friends' parents would you let your child go and stay in a host that somebody had been murdered all these things and obviously the children were so innocent about it they would just say can they come and stay over tonight in your be like yes and then just hope and that's what I say I find nothing but support and near. And there's another thing something chilling that occupies her mind. Well how different as well it could've been the children continue at the door as well what would he have done in the different everything that followed identical It was always there just as and were just really lucky that night but they didn't that's why I have to think as well so you do you go on and the odd bits on to my children could have been a part of that my older son saw his dad lying there and seek to be. Patted. Mrs Leeth police station a very old building and here is the room where they have a place briefings. It's like a big board. So some of the projects are in matters. More folks thanks for your time I wanted to get a quick catch up with a group concentrating on there's 20 of them around the table this is the team this re investigating the murder led by Detective Superintendent Gary coming in I would superstore absolutely fully committed to investigate every single aspect of this investigation it's really important that we review all the other work has been done over all these years means literally going over every interview that's been done every potential lead and bit of evidence that's been gathered over 13 years is that . I think that's absolutely right it's pointless mess and one aspect which could actually give us the answer I mean realistically we do not know whose car it was crying we've got a focus on a number of lines of inquiry unless we go over all the information right back to the very start to see what was a nationally captured to every single statement they will not do our job properly and T.'s and anything that may have been messed over these years so it can move us towards are suspect. Do you have a motive yet we don't have a motive yet and that's where I think the public can really help us why do you think they would come forward now if they haven't come forward over the past 30 years well allegiances changed with the passage of time that people who were reluctant before may wish to come forward know that's why police Scotland is releasing a few details of evidence because someone just might decide not to use the time to tell what they knew in x. You know kind of thing it expect more of a birthday card to come in the 1st new bit of evidence is key it's about an envelope handed to Alice to Wilson shortly before he was killed it was never found Gary coming and picks up a small bright blue envelope they have sourced to replicate it this is the best match the best likeness of the envelope was handed to almost Also on the 28 November 2004 shortly before he was shot. A couple of interesting facts one named Paul was on the Senate floor and secondly when he's going ops they are said to his wife he's that envelope was opened and there's nothing inside and I need to know if there's any ideas as to why this and what may have contained nothing we've done a lot of work around the fact that Paul was an envelope for the polls a significant individual or whether it's a distraction or a 100 hours to the envelope and there was a time to to go back to the public to say that we need their help the people here that do know the information we need them to come forward the envelope was never found so how do the police know this because Veronica Wilson told them for Donna Kupp is not alive to tell us every detail she knows the police and the Crown Office want to keep some of that information back but here's a priest see she answered the door to the killer she didn't know him the man asked for Allister Wilson she went to get Alistar was putting the young boys to paid the killer 100 Alister an envelope and he came back inside with it shutting the door. Behind him and showed it to Veronica if I could take you back to the night of the 28th of November 2004 I'm really sorry to have to think this stuff up again it must can't be easy or toll but as you know we are now allowed to talk more about this envelope what can you tell us about it and when did you know of its existence on that night from the moment you answered the door the last working back up stairs with the employer and as you know had Paul say he was just a bit bewildered. As to what the general wanted to say it because the employer was an address to him. And said no differently ask for you by name and that's why he went back downstairs because it just didn't make any sense when Allister returned to the door with the envelope he was shot and a key bit of evidence is that the envelope was empty yes. Could you see it was empty at that time yes and then again that was part of the the bill bewilderment was not only the name but there was nothing in it so. Important you know why was it given then he was just wanted to confirm you know that it was definitely to him and I said that and he says all about it in a serious and see what it was about right I mean you're talking about it obviously it's 13 years old. But it was quite calm and there is that kind of conversation you had. Yes it was it was very strange but it was the boy's bedtime Sunday evening and you know after work the next day it was just it was it was strange but there's nothing that life to make it feel when it was no it wasn't threatening otherwise you know let him go back downstairs he didn't need to he was in the house and I was so. It was unusual but it was a clown conversation because you know we don't live in fear so you any idea who Paul is no no I was there know lots of poles but not any connection. We didn't have any sort of lifestyle that there was a vote anything in or certainly not some different somebodies acquired you know an illegal weapon and you know not hard hours to kill to murder time you see things other people you just presumed there's something you know dark and sensed in their life but I only lasted in say dying and there was there was nothing there so it's it's hard to grasp what you're actually looking for as an answer because I don't know why people kill other people it's you know on and on with a gun on the family doorstep of the children up stairs I don't know what sort of person I'm trying to find who on earth is Paul. Paul could be a significant factor in this investigation but also it could have nothing to do with investigation and maybe other structure that this envelope has been 100 to our start but we have to again remain open minded as to what may be the circumstances and investigate every single aspect in polls of a common leader where to start we have a database it's called a Holmes database and it's full of information for the past 13 years so they're mature stage would be to cross-reference any information we've got with our database any new information will also be actioned don't fall dot mistaken identity is something that you did talk about in the past. Is that something that you still believe in strongly or is that's moved in a way would give you comfort is the only thing that makes sense to me to say I believe or did you are still on the even as if he had the choice not to go back down things like that so I believe he didn't know if he'd survived he still can of told us anymore so the only thing that makes any sense to me is that it was almost a Wilson. The police haven't ruled out mistaken identity but they have to work on the assumption that the envelope is significant. So this raises more questions for articles says she doesn't know who Paul is she says Alice started new and the police don't know I was having a hard thing to do and someone an empty envelope at least for me because as it was empty by the time she saw it was Alistair expected to put something in it it's a risky thing for a killer to do hang around outside where he could be seen if he wasn't waiting for something important perhaps to deal with the envelope that's why the blue envelope is such a source of mystery. There's some more new evidence the police are revealing something which may give them about where the murder weapon came field lying on a table are 3 guns so this looks like a frenzy and yes this is a silt by. The production has been exiled over in his seat does that still less or stop or proof. It's weapons the us this is the weapons. Matter that. Harry has as. Well named pocket pistol. Can you tell me a bit about this weapon this was found over Sedona drain and see by road on the 8th of December 10 days after the come so what clinical these I spied on the bottom of the drain and it was recovered from the unusual thing and the reason why we're looking at this again today is that you have found 2 more weapons yes ma'am very similar but one identical. Less one as a gun that was handed down last year that came by. Walked off with a member of the farm with 7 European water one of them was our prisoner of war and . Well for Jamie's No Paul and off the phone caught up on his liberation with Tom Paul 2 in a sense 2008 was 11 11 o'clock in the u.k. And another one and Scotland which would make city of the taper and Scotland yet to get to a near and awful Scotland but appear to be quite significant and you've got a 3rd weapon I thought one at this a different make it's a male have found it was a new number a great number of soldiers of various national is stationed in that area a number started as a command of the farm. That soldier was Polish posters here that is also home. To place and you see that's the deposition say therefore that the 1st round here was about the weapon the 2nd you know which is identical was was from doing this here able to cover the host in a ski area or near him here. So what does all this tell us the 2 weapons which are not related to the crying but were handed in in near and have a shared history they both have links to wartime Poland what is now you pointed detectives think there's a chance the murder weapon could have a similar history but then again it might know it but it's a lively. 'd and a parent company of course makes a mess when they you know it is the exact same model as the murder weapon not one more as it was an old gentleman of the new we contacted Mark must argue about the guns he's a firearms expert that he. Is what's known as a pocket pistol a vest pistol cause of that stuff I mentioned is very small it's easy to stick to a caucus so is the kind of weapon used to kill Alice to be associated with a particular criminal fraternity or type of crying I wouldn't suggest a tool that this type of weapon has a particular provenance the monks any. Particular sector of the composite and they tend to use working up a little. They are desirable for criminals that will see the bullets but they are rarely you and the Certainly not one of the grand leaders or little used on the streets of the the s.n.b. Bullets as they're known they were used to this crime do they tell you anything s n b c didn't bellow point 25 auto However I mean if you must be one of the most common ist makes of this caliber of I mean if we see in the. It's not contemporary with the. So somebody has bought or somebody has acquired modern munition fire in this of 120 s. And don't forget since the Utah City doesn't blame not 6 all handguns in the u.k. Have been banned and that means that the scarcity of the I mean ition for this particular caliber weapon would be commensurately increased so it would be difficult if not impossible to acquire $25.00 auto I mean ition legitimately Allister's wife run a car has now heard about the other weapons found in near in is the latest in a long line of what ifs and maybes she says she's had to learn to handle each new possibility with caution 10 days then finding the gun 1st time it's just. That was amazing that was that I have you know this is that can be solved and I 13 years on as I was live all bets can and all the time and you hope it's time but you do have to have some sense control him that this isn't he just can't live and die in him nobody has pushed himself and think that 13 years on would stumble the can for the answers and the longer it goes on for something new and it seems in a positive concern you have your yellow come out about it you know get as excited but you still hope you know deep inside as well as hope that this time it is the missing piece. Over the years respect of trying to identify as history search a ball of also do a lot of work through intern a forensic science but tests on the gun didn't find any trace of d.n.a. At the time there's a chance though that I could change d.n.a. As one of the topics of the police briefing while here to you 1st your take Dr Oz week scientist images can you tell us a wee bit about the samples that we take a look at unities the solutions for mobility we have the opportunity here to revisit the additional samples taken from the model weapon using d.n.a. $24.00 and with an expectation of improved results and not examination also the opportunity to v.x. Ahman the model weapon to take new samples and to use a 124 that's more sensitive technology and see what can be gleaned from the gun pleasant thing to what extent can the changes in d.n.a. Technology potentially lead you to the killer we call the hope that all the items we have seized may provide us with a d.n.a. Profile that lead us to the killer no previously were the remains of 10 profiles from some of these items but they were advances in d.n.a. We will resign the tests will be hopeful and should we get a lead will pursue that hopefully have the answers for the kind of. Welcome the crime what u.k. Will live or waiting for your call. The. B.b.c. Crimewatch appeal weeks after the murder posed a question everyone was asking Did his killing have anything to do with money or with his work all hours to Wilson's murder remains a mystery the description of the gunman's been circulated widely in the Inverness area but it's not rung a bell with anybody locally think again could it be a local man perhaps a customer of Mr Grossman the Bank of Scotland Inverness that you have been questions have been raised over the years was he in debt. Was he in any kind of financial trouble are you able to answer those questions that this is still alive investigation I can't go into detail the reason this matters is because it could suggest a motive and the police don't have a motive to what extent have you been given full access and been able to get an accountant or specialists go over that information and get to the bottom of whether there was any clues in his business dealings Well let me reassure you that that's another aspect we have to look at personal We have to look at professional we have to look at associations we have to look at possible mistaken identity these are all aspects of the investigation that would be expected to go into the minute detail on to try and find the answer so everything possible with a specialist you mention has been looked at as being looked at from a review perspective and if I find anything new would open up new lines of investigation to proceed so when you say that has been done do you feel that that was done to the extent it should have been done at the time well I would be I would be answering because it's a complex investigation with a number of years to look through that is worked. It would be wrong to say that was definitely case we just have to see that the review is ongoing Why is this not all been done before or has it all been done before why hasn't this crime been solved. Well that's the question everyone's asking but all we can do is try our best to follow every single lead that we are given and the public can help with as I've been saying before they need to come forward they need to supply us with information and work together to find answers to Veronica for the family to find out if he's done this do you think mistakes have been made well again that's the purpose of continually reviewing our work with didn't they visited 15000 people 3500 statements this is over 1000 who sees just to try and get information that will take us towards a motive take us towards a suspect and provide some level of comfort some smallest level of comfort and closure for them to come the family by knowing what exactly happened that night. So the finance side of things is struck has been looked out in detail we're getting a new more information on the from Veronica Wilson's point of view their life has been the focus of scrutiny for 13 years but if it means finding the killer that will have to continue 'd. Do you still lie awake at night you're running series 3 of her definitely in the north she can't live your life with that at the front and foremost because you have to in exists you have to do things daily an hour but it's never the way it's just filed in places and I was there were a new piece of information comes out or anniversaries it's just back to the forefront but our life's been in a looked into in every fine detail over and over again I don't understand and there hasn't been touched and her sons who are now teenagers pick up on every account or theory they can find to the to often do their own research on more stuff they got air definitely forced the Google has a good thing and when other people in this get little snippets of from other people when they want to know the whole story about it and sometimes they can feel that they're you know the been left out of the loop but it's not it's just when they hear in the new things like that is that things that of Kimo they were aware of so they are good are going on to it with a new almost false hope but the Vaal been looked into there's nothing in or that the police car or any piece of for them because of it than nothing can be waved Without been investigated and or has been but they're in there just quite impatient of it and think well of this is what's happened or if if we know about Why haven't we found out who and why. Now the police a long time ago that you were not a suspect but what is it like coming along to be interviewed today then that people will probably hang on every word you see and look for for clues of whether you're killed here it's really difficult to feel like you're not living your life because yes you have to be careful because they I say I have information that other people might not know and also I do appreciate that. New people come into your life don't know you didn't know you before so know ho roll and you know that this happened to us what would it mean to you in the family for to do why and even to bring a murderer to justice or just mean anything no it's just. We need some closure fullest and for as to move forward as a family this dark dark shadow you have lost I'll nothing can Elster back. But then to do the still amount of the here and our life can move on and maybe with like with that and I do believe if you get that while you get the both come handed. As a civil action to get drawn up students are doing with resigning myself and watching a movie I will have a lot of difference we can all feel like you're doing. That's the briefing over each of the officers now heads back to follow their leads and pick over all the information discounted or nought What have they missed or was this the perfect crime truly unsolvable Here's the D.A.'s carry coming in again are there concerns that you missed something in the past something's been missed I hope what I've provided reassurance that we continually review all aspects of the investigation and ultimately there's a family out there who've lost a husband and a father and I guess that's the back of your mind that's in the forefront of our mind we have to work towards a family that's what the public should should be doing that's what everybody should be doing to try and find the answers for this family this has been highlighted before as are fascinating crimes and fascinating is devastating devastating for Veronica who's lost her husband for the true young boys were for him to grow up with her father and for the parents of ours to the way to family you deserve to know the answers. To you to live believe that the killer will be found best if. He can go on if it didn't believe you have to and it is a martyr you know it's nice to know it's his how can you do it again off he has many errors and for that but for us as a family we need to know why this is just so senseless you know asters and for it to. Always tuning forward until they further down that can't bridge appeared Why would just makes such a definite stars been able to move on because our life just want ever be anything without those answers. That was funa Walker reporting on a special documentary on the murder of Mr Wilson and Neron still unsolved after 13 years the producer on the documentary was Mona Michael and was still with us Mary Ann Taylor of the head old and David prac contributing foreign editor of The Sunday Herald David Pratt 13 years on there is still this fascination isn't there with these unsolved murders I think there is and you know clearly a very sad and incredibly puzzling tale as well when I found out actually riveting to listen to and I would you know you can understand people's fascination with this I also think a lot of and a lot of and it's some time since I've got even considered this case saw him go but I also found all of the stuff that he contradictions of the comments that certain police or the D.A.'s calling him was making as well I mean they talk about having 4 they've got focus on lines of inquiry we've got the opportunity to do this and one would think I suppose listeners what myself would probably think Well what. Have you been taken up with a being pursued as rigorously as we can and you think certain years on with chefs and but with sticks and forensic they may have they may have more information may entail or when you listen to fit on a car Wilson and you have this realization that this really drags on for the families to see if you honestly can't help but be moved especially the thought of these young boys who were very young at the time but are now old enough now to realize that this is an unsolved murder that they are going on the Internet and looking themselves up by to it's hard to imagine that this won't have a huge impact on them when Taylor and David Pratt Pratt thank you well that's it from Jillian and from me for today thanks for tuning in Good Morning Scotland is back on here tomorrow as usual at 6 o'clock but for mass for now good morning. Reveal 1995 and I'm economy dealing with b.b.c. .